Aussie Truth

[Brainache]

Just a few words about my experience today with the Truthers here in Sydney:

I got off the train at Town Hall station and climbed the stairs a little nervous about the fact that I was about to confront a group of Truthers. I didn't have a folder full of facts, or a gang of people to support me, I was all alone, so I was a bit nervous.
Emerging a bit shaky into the daylight, I spotted the nutjobs at their table handing out leaflets to passers-by. I squared my shoulders and walked right past them. Having walked past and feeling a little ashamed, I turned back and picked up one of their pamphlets...
"Did you know that 9/11 was an inside job?" said a voice in my ear.
"Well no..." said I. "I thought it was the work of terrorists".
"No it was the US Gov."
What followed was almost a carbon copy of every bad Truther experience you've ever heard about. I was quickly informed about Thermite, False flags, Pyroclastic flows and free-fall building collapses.

Thank Ed for JREF.

I stood there for a while arguing with these morons while one of them filmed me until it became apparent to them that I was a person who was informed in these matters and that they were not going to convince me of the validity of any of their arguments. At that point the Aussie version of Ace Baker who had been interviewing me thanked me for coming and turned off his camera. I thanked him and said I'd wait to see the foootage on Youtube.

Then I went and had a beer. I came back and sat on a wall and watched the Truthers as they stopped pedestrians and tried to convince them about the evil conspiracy. No one seemed to be buying it.

At one point I saw a girl aged maybe 14 or 15 walk past with her friends, she paused, saw the banner and made a fist and said to her friends "Fight The Power!!" as they all giggled and walked on.

I also saw one bloke in an anarchist T shirt with his girlfriend who stopped to collect a couple of the DVDs the Truthers were handing out, "What do you want that for?" asked the girlfriend.
"I get bored sitting at home all day", said anarchy man.

It was a different way to spend a few hours and I know I didn't change any minds, but I'm glad I did it. I might do it again next month.

[The Doc]

Nice write up Brainache :)

Good to see someone could have a word to them.

[Brainache]

Thanks. I'm still reeling from all the beer, but I felt I should write about it while it's still fresh.
It did turn into an afternoon of many beers and very little debunking, in fact I'm amazed I can still type.

[Mobyseven]

Just a few words about my experience today with the Truthers here in Sydney:

I got off the train at Town Hall station and climbed the stairs a little nervous about the fact that I was about to confront a group of Truthers. I didn't have a folder full of facts, or a gang of people to support me, I was all alone, so I was a bit nervous.
Emerging a bit shaky into the daylight, I spotted the nutjobs at their table handing out leaflets to passers-by. I squared my shoulders and walked right past them. Having walked past and feeling a little ashamed, I turned back and picked up one of their pamphlets...
"Did you know that 9/11 was an inside job?" said a voice in my ear.
"Well no..." said I. "I thought it was the work of terrorists".
"No it was the US Gov."
What followed was almost a carbon copy of every bad Truther experience you've ever heard about. I was quickly informed about Thermite, False flags, Pyroclastic flows and free-fall building collapses.

Thank Ed for JREF.

I stood there for a while arguing with these morons while one of them filmed me until it became apparent to them that I was a person who was informed in these matters and that they were not going to convince me of the validity of any of their arguments. At that point the Aussie version of Ace Baker who had been interviewing me thanked me for coming and turned off his camera. I thanked him and said I'd wait to see the foootage on Youtube.

Then I went and had a beer. I came back and sat on a wall and watched the Truthers as they stopped pedestrians and tried to convince them about the evil conspiracy. No one seemed to be buying it.

At one point I saw a girl aged maybe 14 or 15 walk past with her friends, she paused, saw the banner and made a fist and said to her friends "Fight The Power!!" as they all giggled and walked on.

I also saw one bloke in an anarchist T shirt with his girlfriend who stopped to collect a couple of the DVDs the Truthers were handing out, "What do you want that for?" asked the girlfriend.
"I get bored sitting at home all day", said anarchy man.

It was a different way to spend a few hours and I know I didn't change any minds, but I'm glad I did it. I might do it again next month.

I'd be up to help you out when I next come to Sydney.

I'm thinking maybe we do a video ourselves. If that video ever shows up on YouTube you can bet it will have been heavily edited.

Do you have access to any microphones to get better sound quality than is offered by the built in video camera mic. Also, my camera only records 12bit audio (it's a Panasonic NV-GS500).

[Brainache]

I'd be up to help you out when I next come to Sydney.

I'm thinking maybe we do a video ourselves. If that video ever shows up on YouTube you can bet it will have been heavily edited.

Do you have access to any microphones to get better sound quality than is offered by the built in video camera mic. Also, my camera only records 12bit audio (it's a Panasonic NV-GS500).

Maybe. With a bit of notice many things might be possible. I would have shot some footage myself, but the only cam. I have is an old Hi8 analog job, which is a bit useless for this kind of stuff.

[MG1962]

Thanks. I'm still reeling from all the beer, but I felt I should write about it while it's still fresh.
It did turn into an afternoon of many beers and very little debunking, in fact I'm amazed I can still type.


Well it is your patriot duty to toast the Queens health on her Birthday :)

[Mobyseven]

Maybe. With a bit of notice many things might be possible. I would have shot some footage myself, but the only cam. I have is an old Hi8 analog job, which is a bit useless for this kind of stuff.

The NV-GS500 is pretty good...3CCD, Leica dicomar lens, Mini-DV. Certainly a step up from a home camcorder.

Well it is your patriot duty to toast the Queens health on her Birthday :)

So that's what holiday it is today. I was wondering about that...people keep reminding me that it's a holiday, and I get double pay from the kitchen shift I did today, but I never thought to ask what holiday it was.

Any holiday is a good one in my books.

[gumboot]

Do you have access to any microphones to get better sound quality than is offered by the built in video camera mic. Also, my camera only records 12bit audio (it's a Panasonic NV-GS500).


Panasonic's handycam onboard mics aren't too bad. As long as there isn't enormous amounts of background noise it should be okay.

If it has a zoom mic (which most Panasonics do), turn it on and record from a little further away, zooming in with the camera. This will narrow the angle the mic picks up and reduce background noise.

-Gumboot

[Brainache]

Well it is your patriot duty to toast the Queens health on her Birthday :)

The Queen can go root a corgi for all I care, I was drinking for Jacques Cousteau's Birthday! Vive le SCUBA!

[Mobyseven]

Panasonic's handycam onboard mics aren't too bad. As long as there isn't enormous amounts of background noise it should be okay.

If it has a zoom mic (which most Panasonics do), turn it on and record from a little further away, zooming in with the camera. This will narrow the angle the mic picks up and reduce background noise.

-Gumboot

Hmm...hadn't thought of that, thanks. In a situation like Sydney Town Hall there might be a fair bit of background noise, but for other work that's good to know.

I seem to lose a few of the lower frequencies though, it can make mens voices sound a bit tinny. Any hints on that, or is that just a 'need a better mic' sort of thing?

[peteweaver]

Thanks. I'm still reeling from all the beer, but I felt I should write about it while it's still fresh.
It did turn into an afternoon of many beers and very little debunking, in fact I'm amazed I can still type.

Whilst they were being useless and carrying out a flawed protest, you did something sensible and had a beer... And you showed them that informed people disagree with your point of view.

Well done.

[gumboot]

Hmm...hadn't thought of that, thanks. In a situation like Sydney Town Hall there might be a fair bit of background noise, but for other work that's good to know.

I seem to lose a few of the lower frequencies though, it can make mens voices sound a bit tinny. Any hints on that, or is that just a 'need a better mic' sort of thing?


That's most likely just the range the mic can pick up. Having said that, if you have the wind cut function going that works by taking out the bottom end of the noise, so it might be that.

You can also try increase the bottom end with even a basic editing software, and see what you can pull out of it.

-Gumboot

[Zep]

Well done, Brainy!

PS. You should contact these guys above - they know of which you work!

[Mobyseven]

That's most likely just the range the mic can pick up. Having said that, if you have the wind cut function going that works by taking out the bottom end of the noise, so it might be that.

You can also try increase the bottom end with even a basic editing software, and see what you can pull out of it.

-Gumboot

I tried doing that in Soundforge, didn't help matters much.

Looks like it's time to browse the inter-webs for microphones.

[parky76]

Since when to 9-11 Deniars have a patent over the word "Truth"?

I think we should start our own "truth movement".

They call it the "9-11 Truth Movement"..our will be called the "September 11th Truth Movement". What's the difference?

"9-11" is the fashionable, almost cool way of referring to that day. But "September 11th" is the actual date. No spin, no politics, just the facts.

The September 11th Truth Movement...or just the September 11th Movement, will be devoted to spreading the truth about what happened that day, and dispelling the lies that are spread by conspiracy theorists, leftists, rightists, terror-supporters, anti-Americans, anti-Westerners, etc.

[DGM]

Since when to 9-11 Deniars have a patent over the word "Truth"?

I think we should start our own "truth movement".

They call it the "9-11 Truth Movement"..our will be called the "September 11th Truth Movement". What's the difference?

"9-11" is the fashionable, almost cool way of referring to that day. But "September 11th" is the actual date. No spin, no politics, just the facts.

The September 11th Truth Movement...or just the September 11th Movement, will be devoted to spreading the truth about what happened that day, and dispelling the lies that are spread by conspiracy theorists, leftists, rightists, terror-supporters, anti-Americans, anti-Westerners, etc.
Sounds OK. No t-shirts though.

[Brainache]

I forgot to mention just how impressed these guys were with Mr Gage and his Architects and Engineers for truth. They didn't like it when I giggled at them.

Whilst they were being useless and carrying out a flawed protest, you did something sensible and had a beer... And you showed them that informed people disagree with your point of view.

Well done.

I hope you meant "informed people disagree with their point of view".

Thanks all and now it's time to proceed with my hangover. ERGH:deadp

[Alareth]

The NV-GS500 is pretty good...3CCD, Leica dicomar lens, Mini-DV. Certainly a step up from a home camcorder.

I'm sorry, from this point forward I will only accept videos made using one of these: http://www.red.com

[Apollo20]

While the Aussies are mostly known for their love of a very ordinary beer....they do also make a very excellent stereo condenser microphone, the Rode NT4, which is great for field recording.

[gtc]

What time were you there?

My brother and I had a long chat with them from about 11 AM.

There was one who was ex-army. He had bought every conspiracy theory from JFK's murder to the Gulf Tonkin and on.

There was another man wearing a grubby white T-shirt who seemed to be the ring leader and a younger uni student who claimed to have convinced his professors about the CT.

They spouted the usual conspiracy theories - faster than freefall, molten metal, countdown to the collapse of WTC 7 etc.

I tried to reason with them but they seemed to hold their beliefs very deeply. They have enough 'evidence' that is plausible enough (if you don't think about it too deeply) that refuting any one piece of evidence is not good enough.

They even believe that the fact that the government was slow to release NIST and refuses to release the videos of the attack on the pentagon is evidence. I tried to explain that the US government sees the truth movement as irrelevant and sees no need to convince the CTers. This didn't work, but the the ex-army guy did compare himself to Martin Luther.

The most telling evidence for me is the complexity of the CT. A lone gunman would have been enough to kill or injure JFK, a truck bomb or a series of plane hijackings would have been enough to damage or destroy the WTC. Why would the government mount massive operations when simpler operations would have been just as effective and easier to conceal?

Did you get a deception dollar brainache?

Edited to add, they are also very impressed with William Rodriguez and Terrorstorm. I think they have read Gravy's reports and have heard of JREF but I don't think they want to visit.

The exarmy guy told me that he bet that I read Tim Blair. He was right.

[MG1962]

While the Aussies are mostly known for their love of a very ordinary beer...

As opposed to what? lol

[Brainache]

I got there about midday and yes I got a deception dollar. I was also offered several DVDs "Terrorstorm" and something by David Ray Griffin I think. I handed them straight back.

[Mobyseven]

I'm sorry, from this point forward I will only accept videos made using one of these: http://www.red.com

* Mobyseven drools.

I would just about kill a man for one of those. Unfortunately...


RED ONE
$17,500

RED ONE BASIC PRODUCTION PACK
$1,250

RED ONE PREMIUM PRODUCTION PACK
$2,750


The NV-GS500 is worth about $2200, and it pretty much bled my account dry. It's the best quality camera I can afford right now, being as it was a choice between having a reasonable camera and getting practise filming and editing, or dreaming about a camera that is the sum total of all the money I've seen since I started getting pocket money in primary school.

Of course, if anybody wants to buy me one of those (and the premium production pack while we're at it) I would not say no. I'd even make a documentary about how great you are. :D

While the Aussies are mostly known for their love of a very ordinary beer....they do also make a very excellent stereo condenser microphone, the Rode NT4, which is great for field recording.

Oh, and I suppose you drink yours warm?

Seriously though. Unless you're from a country with a reputation for good beer, you have no right to criticize our taste in beer - the British drink it warm, and the Americans...Budweiser???

Though I can be a bit of a beer snob at times - my mum was involved with the International Beer Awards, so we always had an influx of international beer around that time, both the really good and the not so good. I'm going to take the time now to plug Schönbrauhausen (I think that's the spelling), a beer that I've been looking for for a while but haven't found stocked locally. From memory it's a Bavarian beer, though I could be wrong.

Oh, and thanks for the tip! Rode NT4 - I'll look it up. I got a bit sidetracked by the beer there, but who can blame me? I'm an Aussie. :p

[gtc]

While the Aussies are mostly known for their love of a very ordinary beer

You're asking for trouble, mate.

I suggest you find the nearest stockist of Coopers.

[Alareth]

* Mobyseven;2682818 drools.

I would just about kill a man for one of those. Unfortunately...



The NV-GS500 is worth about $2200, and it pretty much bled my account dry. It's the best quality camera I can afford right now, being as it was a choice between having a reasonable camera and getting practise filming and editing, or dreaming about a camera that is the sum total of all the money I've seen since I started getting pocket money in primary school.

Of course, if anybody wants to buy me one of those (and the premium production pack while we're at it) I would not say no. I'd even make a documentary about how great you are. :D

I know what you mean. At one point I was trying to save up for a Panasonic, I don't recall the model number off the top of my head at the moment. It had a 24p mode and ran around $3500.

[hellaeon]

You're asking for trouble, mate.

I suggest you find the nearest stockist of Coopers.


Beer?....drink some whiskey!

Man, what truth group met in sydney city? How did you know?

[Brainache]

Beer?....drink some whiskey!

Man, what truth group met in sydney city? How did you know?

Somone posted their little video here a few months ago where they said that they meet at Town Hall on the 11th of every month, so as I was free yesterday, I thought I'd check it out.

I hope the guy with the camera uploads the footage to youtube or somewhere.

[gumboot]

* Mobyseven;2682818 drools.

I would just about kill a man for one of those. Unfortunately...


Don't forget the lenses...

Cine-style Prime set
* f2.8 15mm
* f1.9 25mm
* f1.9 35mm
* f1.9 50mm
* f1.9 85mm
$19,975

And judging by the prices, those aren't especially good quality lenses.

Here's the price list for Arri's 35mm Zeis Master Primes (Prices are in EUROS):

T1.3/16mm - 16,300
T1.3/18mm - 15,500
T1.3/21mm - 14,700
T1.3/25mm - 14,100
T1.3/27mm - 14,200
T1.3/32mm - 14,200
T1.3/35mm - 13,500
T1.3/40mm - 14,500
T1.3/50mm - 14,500
T1.3/65mm - 15,100
T1.3/75mm - 15,300
T1.3/100mm - 17,100

-Gumboot

[The Doc]

They've posted footage. ALL responses made to their rantings are edited out. Typical lol.

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[gtc]

Somone posted their little video here a few months ago where they said that they meet at Town Hall on the 11th of every month, so as I was free yesterday, I thought I'd check it out.

I hope the guy with the camera uploads the footage to youtube or somewhere.

He has at http://www.911oz.com/

You can see my brother at the beginning (in a leather jacket).

You can hear my voice in the background when the guy in the white shirt is talking about the collapse being as fast as freefall. They don't show my rebuttal.

I got them to admit that the WTC (or the WTC7) did not collapse into their own footprint and did not fall as fast (or faster) than freefall but they seem to have repeated these myths later on.

Check out their forums too. We are apparently being paid to debate them (http://www.911oz.com/forum/public/viewtopic.php?t=33&start=15).

The nastiest piece of work over there seems to be Focoist. Have a look at what he says about Jews and Israelis here (http://www.911oz.com/forum/public/viewtopic.php?t=93), here (http://www.911oz.com/forum/public/viewtopic.php?t=54) and here (http://www.911oz.com/forum/public/viewtopic.php?t=37).

[Mobyseven]

Don't forget the lenses...

Cine-style Prime set
* f2.8 15mm
* f1.9 25mm
* f1.9 35mm
* f1.9 50mm
* f1.9 85mm
$19,975

And judging by the prices, those aren't especially good quality lenses.

Here's the price list for Arri's 35mm Zeis Master Primes (Prices are in EUROS):

T1.3/16mm - 16,300
T1.3/18mm - 15,500
T1.3/21mm - 14,700
T1.3/25mm - 14,100
T1.3/27mm - 14,200
T1.3/32mm - 14,200
T1.3/35mm - 13,500
T1.3/40mm - 14,500
T1.3/50mm - 14,500
T1.3/65mm - 15,100
T1.3/75mm - 15,300
T1.3/100mm - 17,100

-Gumboot

You have to either be purchasing on behalf of a company or very, very rich to afford them.

I'm thinking I'll take up a job that will let me afford all that...would I do better as a prostitute or a contract killer do you reckon?

[Brainache]

He has at http://www.911oz.com/

You can see my brother at the beginning (in a leather jacket).

You can hear my voice in the background when the guy in the white shirt is talking about the collapse being as fast as freefall. They don't show my rebuttal.

I got them to admit that the WTC (or the WTC7) did not collapse into their own footprint and did not fall as fast (or faster) than freefall but they seem to have repeated these myths later on.

Check out their forums too. We are apparently being paid to debate them (http://www.911oz.com/forum/public/viewtopic.php?t=33&start=15).

The nastiest piece of work over there seems to be Focoist. Have a look at what he says about Jews and Israelis here (http://www.911oz.com/forum/public/viewtopic.php?t=93), here (http://www.911oz.com/forum/public/viewtopic.php?t=54) and here (http://www.911oz.com/forum/public/viewtopic.php?t=37).

That's me at the end telling them that it takes more than looking at a video to decide these kinds of things. Then they provide web addresses for prisonplanet etc. LOL!

They certainly didn't show much of what I said to them.

[qarnos]

Thanks heaps to Y. for doing the editing. I think you did a great job with some messy footage. We have decided to get more professional with our camera work. This will require a dedicated camera crew for each event and an equipment upgrade.

We must bring the conspirators to justice!... right after we buy some new cameras.

At least they've got their priorities straight.

Kudos to the Aussie Ninjas for taking these guys on. I'll try to make it up to Sydney for 11/9/07 and join the battle.

So these guys do this every 11th? Don't they have jobs? :confused:

[NeoRicen]

I'd love to go but I'd probably get so frustrated and smack one across the face...

[The Doc]

Kudos to the Aussie Ninjas for taking these guys on. I'll try to make it up to Sydney for 11/9/07 and join the battle.


But.. but... but then we'll outnumber them! :p

[Inanna]

Nice thread.Nice writing.I wonder who are these people whom you mentioned.It seems they don't they 've any other work.

[Brainache]

Nice thread.Nice writing.I wonder who are these people whom you mentioned.It seems they don't they 've any other work.

I'm not sure, but I do know that I've now joined the elite group of people who have been quote mined in a Truther video. yay.

[gtc]

Nice thread.Nice writing.I wonder who are these people whom you mentioned.It seems they don't they 've any other work.

I think some do have other work and some do not. One of the truthers said that he was going to join the forum to debate us but I haven't seen him here.

I hope they show up.

[The Doc]

That was about 2 weeks ago.

I doubt we'll be seeing him.

They took the "Sofia Approach" to their video of the 'protest'. It goes something along the lines of:
"We just edited the video to show our opinion, and what we're all about"

It's really just a cheap way of saying "anything that disagrees with us gets cut."

[Brainache]

That was about 2 weeks ago.

I doubt we'll be seeing him.

They took the "Sofia Approach" to their video of the 'protest'. It goes something along the lines of:
"We just edited the video to show our opinion, and what we're all about"

It's really just a cheap way of saying "anything that disagrees with us gets cut."

Yep. It is a bit galling to find they edit my words to make it appear like I'm telling people to check out PrisonPlanet. I suppose I should have expected it. I also should have had a haircut and dressed better. OH well.

[gtc]

That was about 2 weeks ago.

I doubt we'll be seeing him.

They took the "Sofia Approach" to their video of the 'protest'. It goes something along the lines of:
"We just edited the video to show our opinion, and what we're all about"

It's really just a cheap way of saying "anything that disagrees with us gets cut."

Have you been reading their forum?

The veiled (and not so veiled) threats against us makes me very wary about debating them in the future.

[Brainache]

Have you been reading their forum?

The veiled (and not so veiled) threats against us makes me very wary about debating them in the future.

Nope. Are they calling us shills etc? I'm pretty sure those guys thought I was some kind of agent. Hilarious.

[gtc]

Nope. Are they calling us shills etc? I'm pretty sure those guys thought I was some kind of agent. Hilarious.

Indeed. We are 'agents of pure evil' according to the site administrator over there.

Don't you think the leaders of the Green party should hang with John Howard?

I'll be bringing a few more people next time so we can free up people to argue with these criminals that wish to prolong the terror fantasy. I consider these so called debunkers as accessorys after the fact and we will document their endeavors for later use. They must relise they will be on the wrong side of the truth revolution that is coming soon, I will make sure they are aware of this fact.

It is bad enough to do nothing once you are made aware of the truth about 9/11, this I consider unpatriotic; but it is criminal in my opinion to activley prevent us from speading the word about it by premeditated attacks!

I will also be asking them to produce identification, otherwise they will not be taken seriously by me and ignored! I have no hesitation on producing my ID minus the address of course.

Look I don't have any names, I don't know WHO in each network is responsible for ACTIVELY and CONSCIOUSLY stopping the WTC7 footage from being shown on the mainstream media, but if we could find that chain of command, and put them on trial, and assess the permitted submittable evidence of abscence, and find out if there were orders to that affect, and get statisticians to work out the probablity of this being just a freak oversight, then I'm ready to make my ruling Chris and I, me, myself say HANG EM.

in other news rope is on special at meter ten this week! $1.10 a meter....

[Zep]

Wow. They are really swivel-eyed crazie! :crazy:

[Brainache]

Indeed. We are 'agents of pure evil' according to the site administrator over there.

Bloody hell. Here's me thinking I'm pointing out that they are being credulous morons for swallowing the rubbish that Alex Jones spews, only to learn that I'm an oppressor of free speech.

Looks like I'll be busy next month, but I will be in the city, so I might see what happens. I'll see if they demand to see my papers.

[The Doc]

Have you been reading their forum?

The veiled (and not so veiled) threats against us makes me very wary about debating them in the future.

I had a posting exchange in their main forum. The topic was something along the lines of "9/11 Mysteries Debunk Video: We need to know our enemy!".

I made a few posts directed at both the author of the thread and John Bursill (who I am convinced is insane).

However, I stopped posting. It became pretty clear that I would never get through to anyone there. I told Erik if he had any valid criticism to write a paper and email it to me, and that I wouldn't be dealing with him on a forum that was moderated by such immature people.

Of course, he claimed that as a victory :rolleyes:

[Inanna]

Hmmmm.Thanx for the reply.But hmmmm,now I see,there was a grammatical mistake in my reply.Wrote it in haste.It would be--It seems they don't have any other work. Sorry for the mistake.I should have been more careful.

[gtc]

Hmmmm.Thanx for the reply.But hmmmm,now I see,there was a grammatical mistake in my reply.Wrote it in haste.It would be--It seems they don't have any other work. Sorry for the mistake.I should have been more careful.

That's OK and welcome to the forum. Are you an Aussie too?

[Inanna]

No gtc,I am not an Australian. Thanx for your gentle msg. You are very nice.

[philkensebben]

I'm an Aussie. Can i still get on the NWO payroll ?

[gtc]

I'm an Aussie. Can i still get on the NWO payroll ?

Maybe, if you can answer the following questions.

1) Which Australian politicians are members of the NWO?
a) John Howard
b) Kevin Rudd
c) Bob Brown
d) Peter Garrett
e) All of the above

2) Jews are:
a) Evil
b) Evil and loving it
c) Alien lizards in disguise
d) Everywhere
e) All of the above

3) The NWO was responsible for:
a) World War II
b) World Wars III through V
c) Rocky V
d) September 11 and September 12 (hushed up)
e) All of the above

[philkensebben]

e
e
e

Can i have my cheque weekly please?

[gtc]

e
e
e

Correct!


Can i have my cheque weekly please?

We will transmat your first cheque as soon as the techs install your transmat reciever.

[philkensebben]

Cool thanks! I'll expect an invite to Bohemian Grove as well....

[Damien Evans]

You're asking for trouble, mate.

I suggest you find the nearest stockist of Coopers.

or Boags St George

[fromdownunder]

Cool thanks! I'll expect an invite to Bohemian Grove as well....

Hee,hee,hee. You will be assimilated.

ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!

Norm

[philkensebben]

Hee,hee,hee. You will be assimilated.

ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!

Norm

I'm a shill and proud of it. :D

[hellaeon]

Hey guys come in to that forum, its suprising that we hear the same arguements. Im debating with about 4 of them. Like to know I am not mistaken in what I say in my rebuttals.

[Caper]

Greetings from Canada. For What it's worth, you performed a great service.

[hellaeon]

One guy in that 911 forum focoist is an immensly angry person full of rage and hate. I showed him why the PFT and Pentacon guys are not be trusted linking him here twice to discussions about the PFT and with LYTE himself, he said I was a liar and then asked my posts be deleted haha. Then of course, accused me of being a zionist and from israel but using much more colourful language.

He seriously thinks I am a paid disinfo agent...from Israel!

Its a pity that we have the same kind of religious thinking behind those guys as we see at the loose change forums. Basically you provide a completely plausable, provable answer to a question, but then comes the emotional speech about taking the red pill etc...

[The Doc]

The 911oz crowd is actually a very angry breed of 9/11 conspiracy theorists. Especially Focoist and John Bursill.

[Brainache]

I had to do it, I dipped my toe into the Aussie Truth meme pool. Looks a bit murky, although shallow. I made one post in the thread that quoted my OP in this thread.

A truly ugly bunch of bogans over there.

[gtc]

They have descended to posting the Subaru logo as evidence of the Illuminati conspiracy (http://www.911oz.com/forum/public/viewtopic.php?t=250) while Focoist plots the murder (http://www.911oz.com/forum/public/viewtopic.php?t=38) of the entire staff of the Australian Broadcasting Corporation (the Aussie version of the BBC).

[Brainache]

They have descended to posting the Subaru logo as evidence of the Illuminati conspiracy (http://www.911oz.com/forum/public/viewtopic.php?t=250) while Focoist plots the murder (http://www.911oz.com/forum/public/viewtopic.php?t=38) of the entire staff of the Australian Broadcasting Corporation (the Aussie version of the BBC).

Some people I know work at the ABC. Wonder if I should tell them? Maybe I'll tell Focoist to attack SBS instead. SBS is the real problem.

[MG1962]

Actually - the racial villification going on crosses a few boundaries - I might point the gig out to the Federal Police

[Brainache]

Actually - the racial villification going on crosses a few boundaries - I might point the gig out to the Federal Police

I wouldn't shed too many tears if the Feds carted them all off, that's for sure. But I think the AFP have enough on their hands at the moment, what with all these terrorist doctors running around the place. I don't think a couple of moronic anti-semite racist types typing rubbish on the net is going to get them too excited.

I happened to be in the city last wednesday (11th) and saw the little pathetic stand outside the Town Hall again. Not quite so many nutters this time.

Unfortunately I was on a bus on my way to a meeting, so I couldn't stop and chat. It was a pretty crappy day weatherwise and when my meeting was over, I wandered past again, sadly, the Truthers were gone.

[Mobyseven]

Some people I know work at the ABC. Wonder if I should tell them? Maybe I'll tell Focoist to attack SBS instead. SBS is the real problem.

Does anybody here know how to report to the AFP? Or PM me with how. I know people who work at the ABC (in Victoria, not Sydney) and quite frankly, that's disturbing. He may not be serious, and obviously there's no way that plan could go through. Regardless, I don't want a damn Tim McVeigh style attack in Australia, and that guy sounds like he's right on the edge.

[gtc]

He claims to be in Brazil at the moment (maybe he has moved onto Venezuala or Cuba).

He is also plotting the death of John Howard now:

http://www.911oz.com/forum/public/viewtopic.php?t=283

The PM is well into his mid-60s but I think he will outlive the truth movement in Australia.

He also claims to be the son of a prominent Nazi:
http://www.911oz.com/forum/public/viewtopic.php?t=282

[philkensebben]

Whoa, the Perth Truth Hardly boys group is comprised of 6 members. I can feel the revolution is upon us........

[MG1962]

Does anybody here know how to report to the AFP? Or PM me with how. I know people who work at the ABC (in Victoria, not Sydney) and quite frankly, that's disturbing. He may not be serious, and obviously there's no way that plan could go through. Regardless, I don't want a damn Tim McVeigh style attack in Australia, and that guy sounds like he's right on the edge.

http://www.afp.gov.au/contact.html

[Mobyseven]

http://www.afp.gov.au/contact.html

Thank you.

[philkensebben]

Focoist's latest thread.

"I'm going to hit the major city police stations with 9/11 calls just to show you limp writsed cowards what it takes to be a revolutionary. "

Yeah, phone power!!!!!

[MG1962]

Thank you.

I was having the same thought last night. He is probably full of hot air, but if something happened I would never give myself

[gtc]

Odd the Mod over on 911Oz has left Focoists plans for a massacre at the ABC but censored his plans for the murder of John Howard.

[Brainache]

So are the revolutionaries supposed to ring their local Cop Shop and tell the Plods to go arrest George Bush and Dick Cheney? So next time Constable Smith spots George or Dick walking around Surry Hills or Redfern he can just 'cuff 'em and throw away the key? That'll go down well at that Summit thing they have planned for Sept.

[MG1962]

So are the revolutionaries supposed to ring their local Cop Shop and tell the Plods to go arrest George Bush and Dick Cheney? So next time Constable Smith spots George or Dick walking around Surry Hills or Redfern he can just 'cuff 'em and throw away the key? That'll go down well at that Summit thing they have planned for Sept.


LOL - I dont know what the security is about. Dont these leaders realise that it is football playoff time in Sept. Australians have far more important things yo worry about - Now if it was in Oct, then we might care

[The Great Hairy One]

Nice work last month, Brainache! Wish you had dropped me a note, I might have been able to meet you there. :)

Fellow Aussies, let me know if you are going to confront these chaps next month, I would love to come along. And there certainly wouldn't be anything wrong with getting everyone together for a JREF beer either. :p

Cheers,
TGHO

[Alareth]

When I see 911oz I can't help but picture a giant can of Fosters (I don't drink beer, but it's appropriate for the forum audience)

[gtc]

No one deserves Fosters, not even Hitler deserved Fosters.

[The Great Hairy One]

The main reason we export Fosters is because no one here will drink that rubbish.

Cheers,
TGHO

[philkensebben]

The only places i've drank Fosters are New York and London.

[Graham2001]

Whoa, the Perth Truth Hardly boys group is comprised of 6 members. I can feel the revolution is upon us........

I'm in Perth and have not encountered this group...yet... But I've just had my first offline encounter with '911 truth' outside the pages of conspiracy magazines (Which curiously enough you can get at any newsagent:confused:).

It was a small sticker fixed to the door of the train I was riding. The sticker was not firmly attached to the door and I was able to remove it.

I've scanned it and it can be seen by clicking (here (http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n213/Bloodwyche/911%20Bull/911Sticker.png)).

It's not affiliated with any one '911 truth' group, but I'm wondering if anyone in the States has seen this sticker and has managed to track them to an original source?

[philkensebben]

I imagine 9/11 truth rubbish is quite popular down my way in Fremantle. Unfortunatly its a haven for all kinds of woo.

[Graham2001]

I imagine 9/11 truth rubbish is quite popular down my way in Fremantle. Unfortunatly its a haven for all kinds of woo.

Tell me about it, I used to dread going down there in case I ran into one of those dingbats handing out free copies of 'Green Left' a newspaper put out by the only group I know of to put out a statement approving of 911 but disagreeing with the choice of target (The statement was later removed from their website.)

Up here in Bayswater, I think we have an outpost of the Citizens Electoral Council somewhere, I also saw two blokes set up near the train station with a 'get out of Iraq (let the Iraqis rot)' petition, but I think most of the local fruitcakes are in Maylands.

[philkensebben]

I have enough people telling me my chakra's arent aligned without all the 9/11 nonsense.

[Graham2001]

I have enough people telling me my chakra's aren't aligned without all the 9/11 nonsense.

Which is another reason I don't go to Fremantle, though you can find that sort of nonsense in just about any pharmacy in the city...

[Zep]

The only places i've drank Fosters are New York and London.Now we know where it is, we won't go there.

[philkensebben]

Some startling things happening in Perth with regards to 9/11. http://911tap.blogspot.com/2007/09/september-11-truth-action.html

Now i dont want to alarm you lot but :

Some important members didnt make it on the day because they had "work, family commitments and in one case a week long truthfest in New York"
But they have 5 very knowledgable first timers to assist.

The Perth Troof club have an Esky (beer cooler) full of DVD's.

They are in possession of a truth trolley.

825 Truth DVDs were handed out. But then it rained so they had to pack up.

[PhantomWolf]

You had me right up to the point you make the claim that it rained in Perth.

[philkensebben]

Actually we've had quite alot recently. Far too much for a revolution anwyay.