Truther figures exposed (no nudity)

[ref]

Every member of the truth movement believes in some theory that is either not based on facts, or in worst case, is outright insane.

Like R.Mackey said in the AE-thread, it's not even worth debating someone's credentials, if the person believes in mini-nukes at WTC. This post is meant to show, what prominent truth movement figures believe in. This could be useful in showing, how out of this world these people sometimes are.

This is a start. Links could be added to each person to verify the claims. More people could be added. More claims could be added to each person, especially DRG, Dylan and Alex Jones. But this is a preliminary version :)



Judy Wood - Believes Directed-Energy weapons were used in the destruction of the WTC. Ignores the fact that the space beam would require impossible amounts of energy.

James "Jim" Fetzer - Supports Judy Wood and her Space Beam research. Says Judy Wood is the most qualified person to analyze WTC. Believes in no plane at the Pentagon -theory. Has one witness to support this theory. This witness didn't even see the actual event. Ignores all the other witnesses, the DNA evidence, the impact damage, debris found at the scene and all the other evidence supporting the fact that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon. Numerous other dubious claims not mentioned here.

Richard Gage - Claims the foreknowledge of the collapses by NYPD and FDNY is proof of controlled demolition. In other words, he claims NYPD and FDNY have knowledge of the controlled demolition and murder of 3000 citizens, but remain silent. Says controlled demolition is clearly outside the scope of his training and expertise, yet he also says there is a solid and convincing case proving all three buildings were destroyed by controlled demolitions.

David Ray Griffin - Doubts the authenticity of all the on-flight phone calls. Believes in controlled demolition. Believes some of the alleged hijackers are still alive. Says no plane hit the Pentagon. Supports numerous claims not mentioned here. Ignores all the evidence against his theories. Has admitted one mistake, after it was pointed to him by a fellow truther.

Kevin Barrett - Believes there were no Islamic terrorists involved. Tried to find one alive hijacker in Morocco, but did no research beforehand. Only when in Morocco, he found out the person he is looking for may not even be in the same country. A simple call to the embassies and airlines from the US could have told him that. Ignores all the evidence.

Webster Tarpley - Believes there were no Islamic terrorists involved. Says people from the caves couldn't do that. Accuses Bush and Cheney. Ignores all the evidence.

Steven Jones - Claims thermite/thermate brought the towers down. Got his dust samples from one single source (a truther), and this dust was exposed to all surrounding conditions for a minimum of nine days before collected. Ignores all the natural explanations for his findings. Ignores the fact that thermite cuts downwards.

Dylan Avery - Where do we start. Ignores all criticism. Bans all people from his forums who even politely disagree with his theories. Compares his efforts to the likes of Nelson Mandela, Rosa Parks and others. Has said Pentagon is the easiest sell. Says his movie includes errors and dubious claims. Has ridiculed and laughed at the story of passengers and crew surrendering to the threat of boxcutters. Brags about the money being made off the busted Virgin Airlines deal. We could write pages about him alone. Film mates with Jason Bermas and Korey Rowe. His new film is going to be produced by Alex Jones (see Alex Jones).

Jason Bermas - Said the firefighters were paid off. Then later corrected himself by saying a jedi mind trick was pulled on him. Otherwise, see Dylan Avery.

Korey Rowe - Says errors were intentionally put into Loose Change. Otherwise, see Dylan Avery.

Alex Jones - The father figure. Source to numerous conspiracy claims. Has implied the FDNY were complicit of murder. Says London bombings were orchestrated by British intelligence. Says global warming is a hoax. Says AIDS was orchestrated by the high powers of the world. Says the Oklahoma bombing was orchestrated by the FBI. Says the 1993 WTC bombing was orchestrated by the FBI. Says there is a New World Order, an Illuminati, an evil entity of powerful people that control and dominate the entire world. Says the NWO/Illuminati leave signs and give clues of their work, but are so arrogant they just don't care if someone (Alex Jones) notices. Says there is a plan to get rid of most of the population in the world. Claims all the terrorists are patsies. Speculated the Virginia Tech shootings being a government black-op. Producer of Loose Change Final Cut.

Paul Joseph Watson & Steve Watson - Work for and share the thoughts of Alex Jones.

Kevin Ryan - Claims UL certified the WTC steel. Says it's impossible for the towers to have collapsed without controlled demolition. Tested water when working for UL, before being fired.

Doug Plumb - Believes in mini-nukes at WTC. Supports Judy Wood. Is a recruiter for Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.

William Rodriguez - Has changed his story numerous times. Description of the event went from "rumble like moving furniture" to "explosion that knocked you in the air". Claims he knew when the plane hit, eventhough he was in a closed basement. Will not answer any questions regarding his story. Will not debate his critics. Claims he's on a no-fly list, but is going to Europe for the summer and was in Venezuela recently. How does he make those trips? Recently made the statement "I am 9/11".

Pilots for 9/11 Truth - Claim the Flight 77 flight data recorder found at the Pentagon rubble proves, that Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon. If the FDR data is correct, Flight 77 did hit the Pentagon. If the FDR data is faked, why did they fake it not to show a hit. Why not fake it to show the plane hit the Pentagon. And this FDR data is what they base their whole theory on.

[The Doc]

Nicely done, one thing I would add though :p

Korey Rowe's claim that errors were intentionally put into LC heh.

[gumboot]

Excellent work Ref.

I've been up to my eyeballs in Dr Griffin's claims lately. I wonder if there's a 9/11 CT claim he doesn't support.

-Gumboot

[uk_dave]

Doug Plumb - Believes in mini-nukes at WTC. Supports Judy Wood. Is a recruiter for Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.



...Doesn't believe in 'experts' (You know, the people he's trying to recruit), claims to be an Electrical Engineer but could do anything really, without any training, just the application of some good old 'common sense'. Has alot of time on his hands.

[ref]

Thanks Doc, I added that :)

And Gumboot, like you said, Griffin is supporting almost everything. Like Alex Jones. It's difficult to shortly summarize their views. So in here we could only concentrate on the most outrageous ones.

[T.A.M.]

Nice list. IMO it would be perfect if we added what, if any, academic credentials they do have...so that others can see how irrelivent the credentials are (in most cases) or how insane those with appropriate credentials are.

TAM:)

[Civilized Worm]

Tarpley supports space beam theories (at least to some extent) and Kevin Barrett believes that genuine islamic terrorism doesn't exist.

[gumboot]

Dr Griffin believes virtually all of the concrete in the towers was turned into dust. Other things he believes:

NORAD was stood down.
The USAF shot down UA93.

Oh he also thinks TWA800 was shot down by Al Qaeda.

-Gumboot

[Zep]

What about Ace Baker, someone?

[T.A.M.]

funny DRG believes TWA800 result of al-qaeda, but no way could they be the perps in 9/11...what a moron.

TAM:)

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Here are the added credentials and suggestions. The education of Judy Wood or Kevin Ryan, anyone?


Judy Wood - Believes Directed-Energy weapons were used in the destruction of the WTC. Ignores the fact that the space beam would require impossible amounts of energy.

James "Jim" Fetzer (Ph.D. in history and philosophy of science) - Supports Judy Wood and her Space Beam research. Says Judy Wood is the most qualified person to analyze WTC. Believes in no plane at the Pentagon -theory. Has one witness to support this theory. This witness didn't even see the actual event. Ignores all the other witnesses, the DNA evidence, the impact damage, debris found at the scene and all the other evidence supporting the fact that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon. Numerous other dubious claims not mentioned here.

Richard Gage (AIA, Architect) - Claims the foreknowledge of the collapses by NYPD and FDNY is proof of controlled demolition. In other words, he claims NYPD and FDNY have knowledge of the controlled demolition and murder of 3000 citizens, but remain silent. Says controlled demolition is clearly outside the scope of his training and expertise, yet he also says there is a solid and convincing case proving all three buildings were destroyed by controlled demolitions.

David Ray Griffin (Ph.D. in philosophical theology) - Doubts the authenticity of all the on-flight phone calls. Believes in controlled demolition. Believes some of the alleged hijackers are still alive. Says no plane hit the Pentagon, NORAD was ordered to stand down and Flight 93 was shot down. Supports numerous claims not mentioned here. Ignores all the evidence against his theories. Thinks TWA800 was shot down by Al Qaeda. Has admitted one mistake, after it was pointed to him by a fellow truther.

Kevin Barrett (master's degree in English literature and French, Ph.D. in African languages and literature with a minor in folklore) - Believes there were no Islamic terrorists involved in 9/11 and that genuine Islamic terrorism doesn't exist. Tried to find one alive hijacker in Morocco, but did no research beforehand. Only when in Morocco, he found out the person he is looking for may not even be in the same country. A simple call to the embassies and airlines from the US could have told him that. Ignores all the evidence.

Webster Tarpley (AB in English and Italian, MA in humanities) - Believes there were no Islamic terrorists involved. Says people from the caves couldn't do that. Accuses Bush and Cheney. To some extent believes in the space beam theories. Ignores all the evidence.

Steven Jones (Ph.D. in physics, member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints)) - Claims thermite/thermate brought the towers down. Got his dust samples from one single source (a truther), and this dust was exposed to all surrounding conditions for a minimum of nine days before collected. Ignores all the natural explanations for his findings. Ignores the fact that thermite cuts downwards. Believes that Jesus visited America, and has written a paper about it, called "Behold My Hands: Evidence for Christ's Visit in Ancient America".

Dylan Avery (denied admission twice by Purchase College's film school) - Where do we start. Ignores all criticism. Bans all people from his forums who even politely disagree with his theories. Compares his efforts to the likes of Nelson Mandela, Rosa Parks and others. Has said Pentagon is the easiest sell. Says his movie includes errors and dubious claims. Has ridiculed and laughed at the story of passengers and crew surrendering to the threat of boxcutters. Brags about the money being made off the busted Virgin Airlines deal. We could write pages about him alone. Film mates with Jason Bermas and Korey Rowe. His new film is going to be produced by Alex Jones (see Alex Jones).

Jason Bermas (graphic designer)- Said the firefighters were paid off. Then later corrected himself by saying a jedi mind trick was pulled on him. Otherwise, see Dylan Avery.

Korey Rowe (former US Army soldier) - Says errors were intentionally put into Loose Change. Otherwise, see Dylan Avery.

Alex Jones (radio host, fired from KJFK-FM in 1999 because of his views) - The father figure. Source to numerous conspiracy claims. Has implied the FDNY were complicit of murder. Says London bombings were orchestrated by British intelligence. Says global warming is a hoax. Says AIDS was orchestrated by the high powers of the world. Says the Oklahoma bombing was orchestrated by the FBI. Says the 1993 WTC bombing was orchestrated by the FBI. Says there is a New World Order, an Illuminati, an evil entity of powerful people that control and dominate the entire world. Says the NWO/Illuminati leave signs and give clues of their work, but are so arrogant they just don't care if someone (Alex Jones) notices. Says there is a plan to get rid of most of the population in the world. Claims all the terrorists are patsies. Has speculated the Virginia Tech shootings being a government black-op, Hurricane Katrina being weather manipulation and the 2004 Tsunami possibly caused by a deliberate under sea detonation. Believes in Chemtrails. Producer of Loose Change Final Cut.

Paul Joseph Watson & Steve Watson - Work for and share the thoughts of Alex Jones.

Kevin Ryan (former manager of Underwriter's Laboratories water testing division) - Claims UL certified the WTC steel. Says it's impossible for the towers to have collapsed without controlled demolition. Tested water when working for UL, before being fired.

Doug Plumb - Believes in mini-nukes at WTC. Supports Judy Wood. Is a recruiter for Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.

William Rodriguez (former magician and WTC janitor) - Has changed his story numerous times. Description of the event went from "rumble like moving furniture" to "explosion that knocked you in the air". Claims he knew when the plane hit, eventhough he was in a closed basement. Will not answer any questions regarding his story. Will not debate his critics. Claims he's on a no-fly list, but is going to Europe for the summer and was in Venezuela recently. How does he make those trips? Recently made the statement "I am 9/11".

Pilots for 9/11 Truth (pilots with various experience) - Claim the Flight 77 flight data recorder found at the Pentagon rubble proves, that Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon. If the FDR data is correct, Flight 77 did hit the Pentagon. If the FDR data is faked, why did they fake it not to show a hit. Why not fake it to show the plane hit the Pentagon. And this FDR data is what they base their whole theory on.

[ref]

Oh he also thinks TWA800 was shot down by Al Qaeda.

-Gumboot

I want more on that :eye-poppi

[gumboot]

funny DRG believes TWA800 result of al-qaeda, but no way could they be the perps in 9/11...what a moron.

TAM:)


What's really stupid is that he claims it was carried about by Ramzi Yousef and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, neither of whom were members of Al Qaeda in 1996.

Given that Yousef was captured exactly a month after the Bojinka Plot was uncovered, and 17 months before TWA800 crashed, how anyone could think he had the time or resources to plan such an attack is beyond me.

-Gumboot

[Civilized Worm]

Eric Hufschmid JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS!

David Icke Shapeshifting alien lizards!


Are we aloud to include crazy beliefs the don't directly to 9/11? Or would that be too much like shooting fish in a barrell?

[ref]

Eric Hufschmid JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS!

David Icke Shapeshifting alien lizards!


Are we aloud to include crazy beliefs the don't directly to 9/11? Or would that be too much like shooting fish in a barrell?

Maybe only the 9/11 truth movement figures, that at least some people believe in :) Of course, if these same figures have outstanding beliefs on other subjects, these beliefs can be included as well.

[gumboot]

I want more on that :eye-poppi

The last section of his book The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions deals with it.

Basically he contends:

While Yousef was in a NYC jail awaiting trial in early 1995, the cell next to his was occupied by Gregory Scarpa Jr; member of a Colombian crime family.

Scarpa's cell was between Yousef's and other Al Qaeda members (lets ignore the fact that Yousef was never part of Al Qaeda), so Yousef used Scarpa to pass information to his fellows.

Scarpa passed this information on to the authorities in the hope of getting a lighter sentence.

Supposedly Scarpa learned that Yousef was planning to have Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and other Al Qaeda members (never mind KSM was not a member of Al Qaeda until 1999 at the earliest) use one of the Bojinka bombs (which mysterious hadn't been recovered by Philippine authorities when they broke up the plot, I suppose) to blow up TWA800 to cause a mistrial (apparently the similarities of the attacks would prejudice the jury).

Apparently Scarpa provided ample evidence that Yousef carried out the plot, which supported FBI forensic evidence from TWA800 (never mind that the FBI concluded there was no bomb, thus the evidence Dr Griffin cites didn't exist).

But the FBI did not use Scarpa's evidence.

And here's where it gets really funky. This stuff would make Tom Clancy's head spin.

Firstly:

Scarpa Jr was going to testify in a police corruption case involving his father. Scarpa Sr apparently was an FBI informant and "killing machine".
Scarpa Sr had informed for FBI agent Lindley DeVecchio, and they had formed a very corrupt relationship.

Scarpa Jr was going to be the primary witness against DeVecchio.

The revelation of the Scarpa-DeVecchio relationship would severly harm the FBI and also damage a number of high profile cases.

To protect DeVecchio, the credibility of Scarpa Jr had to be destroyed.

If his credibility was undermined, he couldn't testify against Yousef either. If Yousef wasn't to be blamed for TWA800, the entire idea that the aircraft was destroyed by terrorism had to also be discredited (apparantly :boggled: ).

Thus the Director of the FBI ordered investigators to declare that it was not a criminal act, but an accident.

Which of course they dutifully did.

That may just be my favourite CT of all time.

-Gumboot

[ref]

Didn't Steven Jones do some reincarnation/ghost studies concerning the Indians (Native Americans politically correct?) back in the 1980'es?

[ref]

Thanks Gumboot. I had never heard of that. Wow.

[Civilized Worm]

Didn't Steven Jones do some reincarnation/ghost studies concerning the Indians (Native Americans politically correct?) back in the 1980'es?


Better than that, he wrote a paper that tried to prove the mormon believe that Jesus came to south America.

He also made his name in cold fusion fiasco.


David Ray Griffin used to write in support of parapsychology.

I'll dig out links for these later.

[sleahead]

Lyte will be pissed that you haven't included the mighty Citizens Investigation Team, Ref. Is this a deliberate omission or, like me, you just do not know where to begin with their stuff?

[ref]

Lyte will be pissed that you haven't included the mighty Citizens Investigation Team, Ref. Is this a deliberate omission or, like me, you just do not know where to begin with their stuff?

That is deliberate.

[The Doc]

Steven Jones believes that Jesus visited America, and apparently wrote a paper on it.

[gumboot]

Steven Jones believes that Jesus visited America, and apparently wrote a paper on it.


Jesus wrote a paper about his visit to America? What, like a travel journal?

-Gumboot

[Spins]

Alex Jones also believes Hurricane Katrina was guided along it's path by the USG to cause...

...maximum damage to the energy infrastructure, transportation infrastructure and to the psyche of those that are susceptible to further storms this year and in the years to follow.

He also has a habit of making lots of predictions just in case one comes true so he can say "I told you so! I'm not a loon!", for example...

I fully expect one more 'event' this year to impact the United States. My gut feeling is that it will be an earthquake >7.7 in magnitude with insured losses to exceed $25 billion. That number should have been less but presently real estate is far overvalued.

...he said that in 2005, we are still waiting Alex!

http://www.infowars.com/articles/science/weather_mod_katrina_tsunami_called_katrina.htm

:boggled:

[ref]

Steven Jones believes that Jesus visited America, and apparently wrote a paper on it.

The paper is called "Behold My Hands: Evidence for Christ's Visit in Ancient America".

[gumboot]

You might also want to consider Paul Thompson, author of The Terror Timeline (AKA The Complete 9/11 Timeline).

I'm not sure Thompson even knows himself what he believes. His timeline reads like a CT supermarket. His insinuations and "interpretations" support virtually every variation of 9/11 CTs you could possibly imagine.

He believes the mainstream media have failed to document the attacks accurately, yet his timeline is produced exclusively from mainstream media reports.

-Gumboot

[ref]

Alex Jones also believes Hurricane Katrina was guided along it's path by the USG to cause...



He also has a habit of making lots of predictions just in case one comes true so he can say "I told you so! I'm not a loon!", for example...



...he said that in 2005, we are still waiting Alex!

http://www.infowars.com/articles/science/weather_mod_katrina_tsunami_called_katrina.htm

:boggled:

I added Katrina, tsunami and chemtrails to Alex Jones. He is really something..

[rwguinn]

Steven Jones believes that Jesus visited America, and apparently wrote a paper on it.

Jesus wrote a paper about his visit to America? What, like a travel journal?

-Gumboot

Wonder how the peer review worked on that one:
"Sorry, Jesus, this doesn't meet our editorial and research standards"
"DAAAAAD!"

[The Doc]

Jesus wrote a paper about his visit to America? What, like a travel journal?

-Gumboot

8KelpHSJ4ts

:)

[T.A.M.]

Lyte will be pissed that you haven't included the mighty Citizens Investigation Team, Ref. Is this a deliberate omission or, like me, you just do not know where to begin with their stuff?

I think ref is posting prominent truthers who are TAKEN SERIOUSLY by members of the truth movement...does that make it clearer? lol

TAM:)

[DGM]

I added Katrina, tsunami and chemtrails to Alex Jones. He is really something..
Alex Jones supports the truthers because it's popular. As soon as they start to falter he'll claim he was a spy working to expose their NWO dis-info. Jones only cares about what makes him money.

[Dave Rogers]

He also made his name in cold fusion fiasco.

Probably not a good line of attack. As far as I'm aware Steven Jones's work on catalysed fusion has been entirely respectable, and he wasn't involved in the Fleischmann-Pons debacle.

Dave

[Alex C]

Nico Haupt - Claims exotic weaponry was used to demolish the towers and is a major proponent of TV Fakery theories.

[60hzxtl]

Jesus wrote a paper about his visit to America? What, like a travel journal?

-Gumboot

Reminds me of the old joke:

"He found Jesus when he went to prison."

"That's not Jesus, that's his cell mate, it's pronounced Hay-zoos."

[Stellafane]

Great list. What I wouldn't give to hand this to Rosie O'Donnell (or any other celebrity thinking about adopting the 9/11 CT movement) and say "Behold your heroes. These are the people you've crawled into bed with. Not a Harvard physicist in the bunch. Just a small crew of sad, deluded lunatics and opportunists. Maybe you wanna rethink this whole 9/11 flirtation thing?"

If only...

[JimBenArm]

Jesus wrote a paper about his visit to America? What, like a travel journal?

-Gumboot
Yes, it was America on 10 Drachmas a Day.

[Stellafane]

Yes, it was America on 10 Drachmas a Day.

Actually, wasn't it 30 pieces of silver rather than 10 drachmas?

If there's a hell, I think I just stamped my ticket there.

[JimBenArm]

Actually, wasn't it 30 pieces of silver rather than 10 drachmas?

If there's a hell, I think I just stamped my ticket there.
Well, then, at least I'll know someone there!

[SpitfireIX]

You should probably mention A K Dewdney, well-known computer scientist and September 11 crackpot. Dewdney conducted a "study (http://physics911.net/projectachilles)" purporting to prove that cell-phone calls from airliners are virtually impossible, by flying around the London, Ontario metro area in a light plane and attempting to place calls. He also wrote an article (http://physics911.net/cellphoneflight93) claiming the calls could have been faked by agents using real-time voice-morphing technology, and that said agents might have flown the flights in question previously and engaged the passengers in conversation in order to learn personal details that would convince relatives that the calls were genuine. He also insinuates that the relatives ignored inconsistencies in the calls due to wishful thinking. :mad:

Dewdney has also developed an "inside-job" scenario, "Operation Pearl (http://www.serendipity.li/wot/operation_pearl.htm)," that claims only about 36 people would have been required to stage the attacks. :rolleyes:

Finally, Dewdney and one of his cohorts claim here (http://physics911.net/missingwings) that the Pentagon damage does not fit an airliner crash, and he has attacked the Purdue University computer simulation on frankly silly grounds (such as not modeling the tail structure), under color of his expertise in computer science. I have a BA in American and European history from Purdue, and I'm currently attending a regional campus part-time in mechanical engineering

[ref]

Latest edition with links. Remember, that this is not meant to be a debunking thread. It is just meant to show the beliefs and attitudes of prominent truth movement figures. The readers can make their own conclusions.

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Judy Wood - Believes Directed-Energy weapons were used in the destruction of the WTC. Ignores the fact that the space beam would require impossible amounts of energy.

The Judy Wood experience here (http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/). Her interview is here (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-558096240694803017&q=judy+wood).

James "Jim" Fetzer (Ph.D. in history and philosophy of science) - Supports Judy Wood and her Space Beam research. Says Judy Wood is the most qualified person to analyze WTC. Believes in no plane at the Pentagon -theory. Has one witness to support this theory. This witness didn't even see the actual event. Ignores all the other witnesses, the DNA evidence, the impact damage, debris found at the scene and all the other evidence supporting the fact that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon. Numerous other dubious claims not mentioned here.

His debate with Mark Roberts is here (part 1) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5692853335910175330), here (part 2) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5795767092800734293) and here (part 3) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7639955686054850079).

Richard Gage (AIA, Architect) - Claims the foreknowledge of the collapses by NYPD and FDNY is proof of controlled demolition. In other words, he claims NYPD and FDNY have knowledge of the controlled demolition, but remain silent. Says controlled demolition is clearly outside the scope of his training and expertise, yet he also says there is a solid and convincing case proving all three buildings were destroyed by controlled demolitions.

His proof of controlled demolition is here (http://www.ae911truth.org/). His admission he is no expert in demolitions is here (http://www.ae911truth.org/info/4).

David Ray Griffin (Ph.D. in philosophical theology) - Doubts the authenticity of all the on-flight phone calls. Believes in controlled demolition. Believes some of the alleged hijackers are still alive. Says no plane hit the Pentagon, NORAD was ordered to stand down and Flight 93 was shot down. Supports numerous claims not mentioned here. Ignores all the evidence against his theories. Thinks TWA800 was shot down by Al Qaeda. Has admitted one mistake, after it was pointed to him by a fellow truther.

His extensive lecture from his visit to Denmark is here (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8119854514684528700&q=david+ray+griffin). Griffin is dealt with here (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=83058). His admission of one mistake and his continuing doubt of the authenticity of the phone calls is here (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17659.htm).

Kevin Barrett (master's degree in English literature and French, Ph.D. in African languages and literature with a minor in folklore) - Believes there were no Islamic terrorists involved in 9/11 and that genuine Islamic terrorism doesn't exist. Tried to find one alive hijacker in Morocco, but did no research beforehand. Only when in Morocco, he found out the person he is looking for may not even be in the same country. A simple call to the embassies and airlines from the US could have told him that. Ignores all the evidence.

Kevin Barrett's trip to Morocco is described here (http://www.mujca.com/nobaggage.htm). Kevin Barrett's behaviour exposed here (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=71003).

Webster Tarpley (AB in English and Italian, MA in humanities) - Believes there were no Islamic terrorists involved. Says people from the caves couldn't do that. Accuses Bush and Cheney. To some extent believes in the space beam theories. Ignores all the evidence.

Webster Tarpley's views in his article here (http://rockcreekfreepress.com/RCFPJan2007-Pg8.pdf).

Steven Jones (Ph.D. in physics) - Claims thermite/thermate brought the towers down. Got his dust samples from one single source (a truther), and this dust was exposed to all surrounding conditions for a minimum of nine days before collected. Ignores all the natural explanations for his findings. Ignores the fact that thermite cuts downwards. Has experimented with Cold Nuclear Fusion, nowadays known as Muon-catalyzed fusion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muon-catalyzed_fusion). Specialized in Metal-catalyzed fusion, Archaeometry, and Solar energy (http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/). Believes that Jesus visited America, and has written a paper about it, called "Behold My Hands: Evidence for Christ's Visit in Ancient America".

The experiences of his dust sample source, Janette MacKinlay and the nine day interval are described here (http://www.theneedtoremember.com/images/books/FORTUNATElowres.pdf). MacKinlay exposed as a hardcore truther here (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2912791646250753577&q=lifting+the+fog). His latest paper is here (http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200704/JonesWTC911SciMethod.pdf).

Dylan Avery (denied admission twice by Purchase College's film school) - Where do we start. Ignores all criticism. Bans all people from his forums who even politely disagree with his theories. Compares his efforts to the likes of Nelson Mandela, Rosa Parks and others. Has said Pentagon is the easiest sell. Says his movie includes errors and dubious claims. Has ridiculed and laughed at the story of passengers and crew surrendering to the threat of boxcutters. Brags about the money being made off the busted Virgin Airlines deal. We could write pages about him alone. Film mates with Jason Bermas and Korey Rowe. His new film is going to be produced by Alex Jones (see Alex Jones).

More Avery blurbs here (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2666463&postcount=1) and here (http://www.911myths.com/LooseChangeCreatorsSpeak.pdf). His debate with Mark Roberts is here (part 1) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1501073182328817124&q=hardfire+loose+change) and here (part 2) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4375097979996629155&q=hardfire+loose+change).

Jason Bermas (graphic designer)- Said the firefighters were paid off. Then later corrected himself by saying a jedi mind trick was pulled on him. Otherwise, see Dylan Avery.

More Bermas blurbs here (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2516194&postcount=6) and here (http://www.911myths.com/LooseChangeCreatorsSpeak.pdf). His debate with Mark Roberts is here (part 1) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1501073182328817124&q=hardfire+loose+change) and here (part 2) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4375097979996629155&q=hardfire+loose+change).

Korey Rowe (former US Army soldier) - Says errors were intentionally put into Loose Change. Otherwise, see Dylan Avery.

Alex Jones (radio host, fired from KJFK-FM in 1999 because of his views) - The father figure. Source to numerous conspiracy claims. Has implied the FDNY were complicit of murder. Says the 7/7/05 London bombings were orchestrated by British intelligence. Says global warming is a hoax. Says AIDS was orchestrated by the high powers of the world. Says the Oklahoma bombing was orchestrated by the FBI. Says the 1993 WTC bombing was orchestrated by the FBI. Says there is a New World Order, an Illuminati, an evil entity of powerful people that control and dominate the entire world. Says the NWO/Illuminati leave signs and give clues of their work, but are so arrogant they just don't care if someone (Alex Jones) notices. Says there is a plan to get rid of most of the population of the world. Claims all the terrorists are patsies. Has speculated the Virginia Tech shootings being a government black-op, Hurricane Katrina being weather manipulation and the 2004 Tsunami possibly caused by a deliberate under sea detonation. Believes in Chemtrails, JFK assassination being a government operation and US Government foreknowledge and allowance of Pearl Harbor. Producer of Loose Change Final Cut.

His views are expressed here (http://www.infowars.com), here (http://www.prisonplanet.com) and here (http://www.jonesreport.com).

Paul Joseph Watson & Steve Watson - Work for and share the thoughts of Alex Jones.

Their views are expressed here (http://www.infowars.com/), here (http://www.prisonplanet.com/) and here (http://www.jonesreport.com/).

Kevin Ryan (former manager of Underwriter's Laboratories water testing division) - Claims UL certified the WTC steel. Says it's impossible for the towers to have collapsed without controlled demolition. Tested water when working for UL, before being fired.

His lecture is here (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2240960989290438907).

Doug Plumb - Believes in mini-nukes at WTC. Supports Judy Wood. Is a recruiter for Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.

His e-mails are here (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2678343&postcount=1).

William Rodriguez (former magician and WTC janitor) - Has changed his story numerous times. Description of the event went from "rumble like moving furniture" to "explosion that knocked you in the air". Claims he knew when the plane hit, eventhough he was in a closed basement. Will not answer any questions regarding his story. Will not debate his critics. Claims he's on a no-fly list, but is going to Europe for the summer and was in Venezuela recently. How does he make those trips? Recently made the statement "I am 9/11".

His claims are analyzed extensively here (http://911stories.googlepages.com/home). His "I am 9/11" and "no-fly list" claims are made here (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=10411&view=findpost&p=13758893).

Pilots for 9/11 Truth (pilots with various experience) - Claim the Flight 77 flight data recorder found at the Pentagon rubble proves, that Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon. If the FDR data is correct, Flight 77 did hit the Pentagon. If the FDR data is faked, why did they fake it not to show a hit. Why not fake it to show the plane hit the Pentagon. And this FDR data is what they base their whole theory on.

Their founder Robert Balsamo interviewed here (http://www.v911t.org/M/Pandora%27s%20Black%20Box%20-%20FDR%2077.mp3).

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And finally, a link to Mark Iradian's video 9/11 Deniers Speak (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7216643725166640147&q=denier+speak).

These are the people and beliefs the debunkers are dealing with. And what they want us to believe.

[Pardalis]

Nice list Ref. Don't forget the Giuliani harassers (http://www.wearechange.org/).

Also, just a little criticism:
Steven Jones (Ph.D. in physics, member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints))

Even though I'm agnostic and don't really care, I don't think his affiliation with that church is relevant. We shouldn't judge people on their religious beliefs (unless they are actively denying evolution and pushing an agenda;)).

just my two cents (0.0212299 $ Canadian)

[Alex C]

Killtown - Believes no planes were used in any attacks on Sept. 11th

[ref]

Nice list Ref. Don't forget the Giuliani harassers (http://www.wearechange.org/).

Also, just a little criticism:


Even though I'm agnostic and don't really care, I don't think his affiliation with that church is relevant. We shouldn't judge people on their religious beliefs (unless they are actively denying evolution and pushing an agenda;)).

just my two cents (0.0212299 $ Canadian)

Criticism acknowledged and religious beliefs removed :)

[ref]

And also, I don't include the likes of CIT, Killtown, Ace Baker, or wearechange. I wouldn't call them prominent as of now. Their beliefs can be found using google or the search function on this forum.

[Alex C]

Well Nico Haupt is at least as prominant as July Wood, since it could be argued the whole No Plane/TV Fakery stems from him.

[ref]

Well Nico Haupt is at least as prominant as July Wood, since it could be argued the whole No Plane/TV Fakery stems from him.

He'll be in the next edition :)

Other suggestions?

[T.A.M.]

Welcome to the forum Alex.

TAM:)

[Dr Adequate]

Didn't we do this?

We did.

Who's Who In The 9/11 Truth Movement? (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=78296)

I turned it into a SkepticWiki article: 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists

Supplementary material is always good, of course, but let's not reinvent the wheel from scratch.

[uk_dave]

Yes, it was America on 10 Drachmas a Day.

And he was offering half a dinari for your life story

[T.A.M.]

Didn't we do this?

We did.

Who's Who In The 9/11 Truth Movement? (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=78296)

I turned it into a SkepticWiki article: 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists

Supplementary material is always good, of course, but let's not reinvent the wheel from scratch.

A perfect example of why I tell truthers that we do not address their issues out of repetitiveness, not ignorance.

I am sure creating these files/lists/etc... is like ideas in hollywood, there are no new ones, just re inventions of the same ones.

TAM:)

[ref]

Didn't we do this?

We did.

Who's Who In The 9/11 Truth Movement? (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=78296)

I turned it into a SkepticWiki article: 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists

Supplementary material is always good, of course, but let's not reinvent the wheel from scratch.

I disagree. I actually used that partially as a source for names I might have forgotten.

That thread was more like a list of bios and links to their homesites. This is about their stupid and outrageous claims. This is meant to show what nonsense these people believe in.

To me, that's a different thing :) You can of course disagree.

For example, compare "who's who" article on Dylan Avery:

Dylan Avery - the pioneer of the 911 movement. Author of the Loose Change-video (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501&q=Loose+Change&hl=en). Is currently finishing the third version, called "Loose Change Final Cut". Has his own forum (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?).

and mine:

Dylan Avery (denied admission twice by Purchase College's film school) - Where do we start. Ignores all criticism. Bans all people from his forums who even politely disagree with his theories. Compares his efforts to the likes of Nelson Mandela, Rosa Parks and others. Has said Pentagon is the easiest sell. Says his movie includes errors and dubious claims. Has ridiculed and laughed at the story of passengers and crew surrendering to the threat of boxcutters. Brags about the money being made off the busted Virgin Airlines deal. We could write pages about him alone. Film mates with Jason Bermas and Korey Rowe. His new film is going to be produced by Alex Jones (see Alex Jones).


Alex Jones on "who's who":
Alex Jones (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Jones_%28radio%29), talkshow host and head of Prisonplanet (http://prisonplanet.com/) and Inforwars.com (http://infowars.com/) and Infowars.net (http://infowars.net/). Has his own Myspace (http://www.myspace.com/alex_infowarrior)-area.

and mine:
Alex Jones (radio host, fired from KJFK-FM in 1999 because of his views) - The father figure. Source to numerous conspiracy claims. Has implied the FDNY were complicit of murder. Says the 7/7/05 London bombings were orchestrated by British intelligence. Says global warming is a hoax. Says AIDS was orchestrated by the high powers of the world. Says the Oklahoma bombing was orchestrated by the FBI. Says the 1993 WTC bombing was orchestrated by the FBI. Says there is a New World Order, an Illuminati, an evil entity of powerful people that control and dominate the entire world. Says the NWO/Illuminati leave signs and give clues of their work, but are so arrogant they just don't care if someone (Alex Jones) notices. Says there is a plan to get rid of most of the population of the world. Claims all the terrorists are patsies. Has speculated the Virginia Tech shootings being a government black-op, Hurricane Katrina being weather manipulation and the 2004 Tsunami possibly caused by a deliberate under sea detonation. Believes in Chemtrails, JFK assassination being a government operation and US Government foreknowledge and allowance of Pearl Harbor. Producer of Loose Change Final Cut.

His views are expressed here (http://www.infowars.com/), here (http://www.prisonplanet.com/) and here (http://www.jonesreport.com/).


These are more or less completing each other, but I decided to make a separate beliefs -thread.

[Pardalis]

I think both lists compliment eachother.

And don't forget the Giuliani harassers, both of "yous". :D

[T.A.M.]

pat and james have a blog called Conspirazoids which does alot of the same, which you may want to check ref...like i said, not a new idea, just a retake on an old one...and there aint nothin wrong with that, if it keeps us refreshed and informed on this stuff.

TAM:) (List master...lol)

[uk_dave]

Nice list Ref. Don't forget the Giuliani harassers (http://www.wearechange.org/).

Also, just a little criticism:


Even though I'm agnostic and don't really care, I don't think his affiliation with that church is relevant. We shouldn't judge people on their religious beliefs (unless they are actively denying evolution and pushing an agenda;)).

just my two cents (0.0212299 $ Canadian)

I dunno. Doesn't his ability to see evidence of Jesus visiting with the Mayans indicate that he is capable of deluding himself into seeing things which may not be there (i.e thermite) just so long as it fits in with his beliefs?

[ref]

pat and james have a blog called Conspirazoids which does alot of the same, which you may want to check ref...like i said, not a new idea, just a retake on an old one...and there aint nothin wrong with that, if it keeps us refreshed and informed on this stuff.

TAM:) (List master...lol)

Not a new thing, I know. But a compact and different one :) I'd like to think this brings at least something to the table. If not, I had a blast doing it anyway. We know much of this stuff anyway. I just collected it with hopefully the newest links.

On another note, I decided to include the CIT's and wearechangers anyway. These are all linked to each other anyway.

[ref]

Added wearechange, CIT and killtown. They all connected to the existing people so it's a small CT world. Nico Haupt coming once I have more info on him.

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Judy Wood (Ph.D. in Materials Engineering Science) - Believes Directed-Energy weapons were used in the destruction of the WTC. Ignores the fact that the space beam would require impossible amounts of energy.

The Judy Wood experience here (http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/). Her interview is here (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-558096240694803017&q=judy+wood).

James "Jim" Fetzer (Ph.D. in history and philosophy of science) - Supports Judy Wood and her Space Beam research. Says Judy Wood is the most qualified person to analyze WTC. Believes in no plane at the Pentagon -theory. Has one witness to support this theory. This witness didn't even see the actual event. Ignores all the other witnesses, the DNA evidence, the impact damage, debris found at the scene and all the other evidence supporting the fact that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon. Numerous other dubious claims not mentioned here.

His debate with Mark Roberts is here (part 1) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5692853335910175330), here (part 2) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5795767092800734293) and here (part 3) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7639955686054850079).

Richard Gage (AIA, Architect) - Claims the foreknowledge of the collapses by NYPD and FDNY is proof of controlled demolition. In other words, he claims NYPD and FDNY have knowledge of the controlled demolition, but remain silent. Says controlled demolition is clearly outside the scope of his training and expertise, yet he also says there is a solid and convincing case proving all three buildings were destroyed by controlled demolitions.

His proof of controlled demolition is here (http://www.ae911truth.org/). His admission he is no expert in demolitions is here (http://www.ae911truth.org/info/4).

David Ray Griffin (Ph.D. in philosophical theology) - Doubts the authenticity of all the on-flight phone calls. Believes in controlled demolition. Believes some of the alleged hijackers are still alive. Says no plane hit the Pentagon, NORAD was ordered to stand down and Flight 93 was shot down. Supports numerous claims not mentioned here. Ignores all the evidence against his theories. Thinks TWA800 was shot down by Al Qaeda. Has admitted one mistake, after it was pointed to him by a fellow truther.

His extensive lecture from his visit to Denmark is here (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8119854514684528700&q=david+ray+griffin). Griffin is dealt with here (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=83058). His admission of one mistake and his continuing doubt of the authenticity of the phone calls is here (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17659.htm).

Kevin Barrett (master's degree in English literature and French, Ph.D. in African languages and literature with a minor in folklore) - Believes there were no Islamic terrorists involved in 9/11 and that genuine Islamic terrorism doesn't exist. Tried to find one alive hijacker in Morocco, but did no research beforehand. Only when in Morocco, he found out the person he is looking for may not even be in the same country. A simple call to the embassies and airlines from the US could have told him that. Ignores all the evidence.

Kevin Barrett's trip to Morocco is described here (http://www.mujca.com/nobaggage.htm). Kevin Barrett's behaviour exposed here (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=71003).

Webster Tarpley (AB in English and Italian, MA in humanities) - Believes there were no Islamic terrorists involved. Says people from the caves couldn't do that. Accuses Bush and Cheney. To some extent believes in the space beam theories. Ignores all the evidence.

Webster Tarpley's views in his article here (http://rockcreekfreepress.com/RCFPJan2007-Pg8.pdf).

Steven Jones (Ph.D. in physics) - Claims thermite/thermate brought the towers down. Got his dust samples from one single source (a truther), and this dust was exposed to all surrounding conditions for a minimum of nine days before collected. Ignores all the natural explanations for his findings. Ignores the fact that thermite cuts downwards. Has experimented with Cold Nuclear Fusion, nowadays known as Muon-catalyzed fusion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muon-catalyzed_fusion). Specialized in Metal-catalyzed fusion, Archaeometry, and Solar energy. Believes that Jesus visited America, and has written a paper about it, called "Behold My Hands: Evidence for Christ's Visit in Ancient America (http://web.archive.org/web/20051124053614/http://www.physics.byu.edu/faculty/jones/rel491/handstext+and+figures.htm)".

The experiences of his dust sample source, Janette MacKinlay and the nine day interval are described here (http://www.theneedtoremember.com/images/books/FORTUNATElowres.pdf). MacKinlay exposed as a hardcore truther here (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2912791646250753577&q=lifting+the+fog). His latest paper is here (http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200704/JonesWTC911SciMethod.pdf).

Dylan Avery (denied admission twice by Purchase College's film school) - Where do we start. Ignores all criticism. Bans all people from his forums who even politely disagree with his theories. Compares his efforts to the likes of Nelson Mandela, Rosa Parks and others. Has said Pentagon is the easiest sell. Says his movie includes errors and dubious claims. Has ridiculed and laughed at the story of passengers and crew surrendering to the threat of boxcutters. Brags about the money being made off the busted Virgin Airlines deal. We could write pages about him alone. Film mates with Jason Bermas and Korey Rowe. His new film is going to be produced by Alex Jones (see Alex Jones).

More Avery blurbs here (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2666463&postcount=1) and here (http://www.911myths.com/LooseChangeCreatorsSpeak.pdf). His debate with Mark Roberts is here (part 1) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1501073182328817124&q=hardfire+loose+change) and here (part 2) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4375097979996629155&q=hardfire+loose+change).

Jason Bermas (graphic designer)- Said the firefighters were paid off. Then later corrected himself by saying a jedi mind trick was pulled on him. Otherwise, see Dylan Avery.

More Bermas blurbs here (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2516194&postcount=6) and here (http://www.911myths.com/LooseChangeCreatorsSpeak.pdf). His debate with Mark Roberts is here (part 1) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1501073182328817124&q=hardfire+loose+change) and here (part 2) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4375097979996629155&q=hardfire+loose+change).

Korey Rowe (former US Army soldier) - Says errors were intentionally put into Loose Change. Otherwise, see Dylan Avery.

Alex Jones (radio host, fired from KJFK-FM in 1999 because of his views) - The father figure. Source to numerous conspiracy claims. Has implied the FDNY were complicit of murder. Says the 7/7/05 London bombings were orchestrated by British intelligence. Says global warming is a hoax. Says AIDS was orchestrated by the high powers of the world. Says the Oklahoma bombing was orchestrated by the FBI. Says the 1993 WTC bombing was orchestrated by the FBI. Says there is a New World Order, an Illuminati, an evil entity of powerful people that control and dominate the entire world. Says the NWO/Illuminati leave signs and give clues of their work, but are so arrogant they just don't care if someone (Alex Jones) notices. Says there is a plan to get rid of most of the population of the world. Claims all the terrorists are patsies. Has speculated the Virginia Tech shootings being a government black-op, Hurricane Katrina being weather manipulation and the 2004 Tsunami possibly caused by a deliberate under sea detonation. Believes in Chemtrails, JFK assassination being a government operation and US Government foreknowledge and allowance of Pearl Harbor. Claims that Communism was a plot by international banks in the early 1900s to oppress the Russian serfs. Producer of Loose Change Final Cut.

His views are expressed here (http://www.infowars.com/), here (http://www.prisonplanet.com/) and here (http://www.jonesreport.com/).

Paul Joseph Watson (webmaster) & Steve Watson (BA Degree in Literature and a Masters Degree in International Relations) - Work for and share the thoughts of Alex Jones.

Their views are expressed here (http://www.infowars.com/), here (http://www.prisonplanet.com/) and here (http://www.jonesreport.com/).

Kevin Ryan (former manager of Underwriter's Laboratories water testing division) - Claims UL certified the WTC steel. Says it's impossible for the towers to have collapsed without controlled demolition. Tested water when working for UL, before being fired.

His lecture is here (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2240960989290438907).

Doug Plumb (bachelors degree in electrical engineering) - Believes in mini-nukes at WTC. Supports Judy Wood. Is a recruiter for Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.

His e-mails are here (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2678343&postcount=1).

William Rodriguez (former magician and WTC janitor) - Has changed his story numerous times. Description of the event went from "rumble like moving furniture" to "explosion that knocked you in the air". Claims he knew when the plane hit, eventhough he was in a closed basement. Will not answer any questions regarding his story. Will not debate his critics. Claims he's on a no-fly list, but is going to Europe for the summer and was in Venezuela recently. How does he make those trips? Recently made the statement "I am 9/11".

His claims are analyzed extensively here (http://911stories.googlepages.com/home). His "I am 9/11" and "no-fly list" claims are made here (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=10411&view=findpost&p=13758893).

Pilots for 9/11 Truth (pilots with various experience) - Claim the Flight 77 flight data recorder found at the Pentagon rubble proves, that Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon. If the FDR data is correct, Flight 77 did hit the Pentagon. If the FDR data is faked, why did they fake it not to show a hit. Why not fake it to show the plane hit the Pentagon. And this FDR data is what they base their whole theory on.

Their founder Robert Balsamo interviewed here (http://www.v911t.org/M/Pandora%27s%20Black%20Box%20-%20FDR%2077.mp3).

We Are Change - A group of activists, led by NY 9/11 Truth member Luke Rudkowski (got involved in the truther community after being beaten by the NYPD). Organize street actions and demonstrations. Specialize in confrontations. Recently confronted Rudy Giuliani and Mr. Rockefeller. Their methods are questionable. They obtain addressess and appear on the doorsteps and public appearances of their chosen targets. Have close ties with Alex Jones and the Loose Change crew. Recently one of their members was arrested when confronting a Rudy Giuliani employee.

Rockefeller confrontation here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHNeFU6MnGU) and Giuliani employee confronted here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOerYpJse30).

CIT / Lyte Trip & Merc - Citizen Investigation Team. Claim no plane hit the Pentagon and focus on this issue. Ignore the evidence of debris, DNA, impact damage and most of the eyewitnesses. Have a couple of interviews with witnesses done years later, and they claim these interviews prove all their points. Close ties with Pilots for 9/11 Truth. Not much support from the truther community.

Pentacon the movie here (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4196580169348087802&q=pentacon).

Killtown - An internet personality stating some of the most outrageous claims. Believes in no planes at all -theory, everything was faked. Claims to have seen 911 written in the impact explosion clouds of the planes at the WTC. Claims the Val McClatchey smoke plume photo is fake. Was mentioned in the end credits of Loose Change 2nd edition and many claims in that film are based on his research. Later abandoned by those very same people.

His blog is here (http://killtown.blogspot.com/). Website here (http://killtown.911review.org/).
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And finally, a link to Mark Iradian's video 9/11 Deniers Speak (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7216643725166640147&q=denier+speak).

These are the people and beliefs the debunkers are dealing with. And what they want us to believe.

[ref]

I found this for the first time, while reading the who's who thread. Is Nico Haupt Killtown?

[Alex C]

I don't believe so.

[T.A.M.]

Lists, particularly from my personal preference, are always appreciated. Keep it going, and we can have it as yet another reference to send the twoofers to.

TAM:)

[bje]

The paper is called "Behold My Hands: Evidence for Christ's Visit in Ancient America".


Jones removed it from his website but it is available in the web archives (http://web.archive.org/web/20051124053614/http://www.physics.byu.edu/faculty/jones/rel491/handstext+and+figures.htm).

[ref]

Jones removed it from his website but it is available in the web archives (http://web.archive.org/web/20051124053614/http://www.physics.byu.edu/faculty/jones/rel491/handstext+and+figures.htm).

Thanks bje! I added a link to that paper, along with the communism claim to Alex Jones and credentials of Judy Wood, Paul Joseph Watson, Steve Watson and Doug Plumb, as well as Luke's motivation behind his activism.

[The Demon's Head]

How so much belief was put into these theories is beyond me. What is even more bizarre is how some continue to believe these thoeries even though there is no evidence to support the claims. Either these leaders of the truth want to make a name for themselves or they are just terribly stubborn and ignore everything that proves their claims wrong.

[jhunter1163]

Does Morgan Reynolds rate a mention? He was kind of the pioneer no-planer, actually held a fairly important post in Bush's first administration (don't remember what it was though). Although he's now gone totally off the deep end, so much so that even Truthers don't take him seriously anymore.

ETA: He is a professor emeritus at Texas A&M and was chief economist for the US Dept. of Labor in 2001-02.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgan_Reynolds

[Civilized Worm]

Here's a link that deals with DRG and parapsychology: http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/search?q=David+Ray+Griffin+parapsychology


I added Katrina, tsunami and chemtrails to Alex Jones. He is really something..


Have you want to list everything Jones believes/has believed you could be here a long time!


Probably not a good line of attack. As far as I'm aware Steven Jones's work on catalysed fusion has been entirely respectable, and he wasn't involved in the Fleischmann-Pons debacle.

Dave


True, but it doesn't say much when that's the most scientific thing you're known for.


I do think you're underestimating the popularity of Hufschmid and Icke, at least within certain circles.

[Civilized Worm]

Wikipedia has some good info on Fetzer's loony beliefs about JFK and Paul Wellstone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_H._Fetzer

[bje]

How so much belief was put into these theories is beyond me. What is even more bizarre is how some continue to believe these thoeries even though there is no evidence to support the claims. Either these leaders of the truth want to make a name for themselves or they are just terribly stubborn and ignore everything that proves their claims wrong.


Well, a new study identifies the root cause (http://tinyurl.com/25737q) - NPD.

[Alareth]

Steven Jones believes that Jesus visited America, and apparently wrote a paper on it.

Well to be absolutely fair, Jones is a Mormon and Jesus visting the north american natives is one of the tenents of their belief system. To single him out for that in such a manner is wrong.

[SpitfireIX]

You should probably mention A K Dewdney, well-known computer scientist and September 11 crackpot. Dewdney conducted a "study (http://physics911.net/projectachilles)" purporting to prove that cell-phone calls from airliners are virtually impossible, by flying around the London, Ontario metro area in a light plane and attempting to place calls. He also wrote an article (http://physics911.net/cellphoneflight93) claiming the calls could have been faked by agents using real-time voice-morphing technology, and that said agents might have flown the flights in question previously and engaged the passengers in conversation in order to learn personal details that would convince relatives that the calls were genuine. He also insinuates that the relatives ignored inconsistencies in the calls due to wishful thinking. :mad:

Dewdney has also developed an "inside-job" scenario, "Operation Pearl (http://www.serendipity.li/wot/operation_pearl.htm)," that claims only about 36 people would have been required to stage the attacks. :rolleyes:

Finally, Dewdney and one of his cohorts claim here (http://physics911.net/missingwings) that the Pentagon damage does not fit an airliner crash, and he has attacked the Purdue University computer simulation on frankly silly grounds (such as not modeling the tail structure), under color of his expertise in computer science. I have a BA in American and European history from Purdue, and I'm currently attending a regional campus part-time in mechanical engineering


Sorry--I just noticed that the Wikipedia link is broken; evidently they removed the "redirected from" page. Try Alexander Dewdney. Perhaps I should have mentioned that he wrote a "Computer Recreations" column in Scientific American for about 10 years, so I'd say he's arguably the "Truther" who was most well-known before the September 11 attack (not counting celebs, of course).

[LashL]

Not a new thing, I know. But a compact and different one :) I'd like to think this brings at least something to the table. If not, I had a blast doing it anyway. We know much of this stuff anyway. I just collected it with hopefully the newest links.

It does, indeed, bring something to the table, ref. The various lists complement each other quite nicely. Great work!

On another note, I decided to include the CIT's and wearechangers anyway. These are all linked to each other anyway.

Hmmm. My $0.02 on this is that they should not be included in this fashion as they are "groups" rather than individuals and, therefore, mess up the list, which is otherwise comprised of individuals. Perhaps, to maintain consistency, you might consider listing the individuals that you refer to in those entries rather than the names of the groups? (Same thing with PffffT - if it needs mentioning, perhaps the entry should be Robert Balsamo rather than PffftT, to keep it consistent with Gage and his separate troofer group, Fetzer and his separate troofer group, Jones and his separate troofer group, etc. etc.) Like I said, just my $0.02.

[DGM]

Where does Ace Baker fall into all of this? Or is he is on kind of lunatic?

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It does, indeed, bring something to the table, ref. The various lists complement each other quite nicely. Great work!



Hmmm. My $0.02 on this is that they should not be included in this fashion as they are "groups" rather than individuals and, therefore, mess up the list, which is otherwise comprised of individuals. Perhaps, to maintain consistency, you might consider listing the individuals that you refer to in those entries rather than the names of the groups? (Same thing with PffffT - if it needs mentioning, perhaps the entry should be Robert Balsamo rather than PffftT, to keep it consistent with Gage and his separate troofer group, Fetzer and his separate troofer group, Jones and his separate troofer group, etc. etc.) Like I said, just my $0.02.

Thanks :)

I'll make the changes from groups to individuals. It's a good idea and pretty easy adjustment to make.

[gumboot]

What about this one?

You might also want to consider Paul Thompson, author of The Terror Timeline (AKA The Complete 9/11 Timeline).

I'm not sure Thompson even knows himself what he believes. His timeline reads like a CT supermarket. His insinuations and "interpretations" support virtually every variation of 9/11 CTs you could possibly imagine.

He believes the mainstream media have failed to document the attacks accurately, yet his timeline is produced exclusively from mainstream media reports.

-Gumboot

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Changed the group titles to individual titles. Added Nico Haupt, Alexander Dewdney and more views to many people. Also added are ages to those I could find. If someone knows more ages, let me know.

I'm considering the likes of Paul Thompson and Jim Hoffman. They are not making such extreme claims as others here. Thompson only thinks something is wrong, Hoffman believes "only" in demolition and even debunks Pentagon truthers and Loose Change. I'll think whether to add them or not.

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Judy Wood (Ph.D. in Materials Engineering Science) - Believes Directed-Energy weapons were used in the destruction of the WTC. Ignores the fact that the space beam would require impossible amounts of energy.

The Judy Wood experience here (http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/). Her interview is here (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-558096240694803017&q=judy+wood).

James "Jim" Fetzer (66) (Ph.D. in history and philosophy of science) - Supports Judy Wood and her Space Beam research. Says Judy Wood is the most qualified person to analyze WTC. Believes in no plane at the Pentagon -theory. Has one witness to support this theory. This witness didn't even see the actual event. Ignores all the other witnesses, the DNA evidence, the impact damage, debris found at the scene and all the other evidence supporting the fact that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon. Also maintains that John F. Kennedy was assassinated as the result of a planned and precisely executed conspiracy, which included altering the autopsy X-rays, substituting another brain, and recreating the Zapruder film using sophisticated techniques of optical printing and special effects. Numerous other dubious claims not mentioned here.

His debate on 9/11 with Mark Roberts is here (part 1) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5692853335910175330), here (part 2) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5795767092800734293) and here (part 3) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7639955686054850079).

Richard Gage (AIA, Architect) - Claims the foreknowledge of the collapses by NYPD and FDNY is proof of controlled demolition. In other words, he claims NYPD and FDNY have knowledge of the controlled demolition, but remain silent. Says controlled demolition is clearly outside the scope of his training and expertise, yet he also says there is a solid and convincing case proving all three buildings were destroyed by controlled demolitions. Joined the truth movement after reading David Ray Griffin.

His proof of controlled demolition is here (http://www.ae911truth.org/). His admission he is no expert in demolitions is here (http://www.ae911truth.org/info/4).

David Ray Griffin (67) (Ph.D. in philosophical theology) - Doubts the authenticity of all the on-flight phone calls. Believes in controlled demolition. Believes some of the alleged hijackers are still alive. Says no plane hit the Pentagon, NORAD was ordered to stand down and Flight 93 was shot down. Supports numerous claims not mentioned here. Ignores all the evidence against his theories. Thinks TWA800 was shot down by Al Qaeda. Has admitted one mistake, after it was pointed to him by a fellow truther.

His extensive lecture from his visit to Denmark is here (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8119854514684528700&q=david+ray+griffin). Griffin is dealt with here (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=83058). His admission of one mistake and his continuing doubt of the authenticity of the phone calls is here (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17659.htm).

Kevin Barrett (48) (master's degree in English literature and French, Ph.D. in African languages and literature with a minor in folklore) - Believes there were no Islamic terrorists involved in 9/11 and that genuine Islamic terrorism doesn't exist. Tried to find one alive hijacker in Morocco, but did no research beforehand. Only when in Morocco, he found out the person he is looking for may not even be in the same country. A simple call to the embassies and airlines from the US could have told him that. Ignores all the evidence. Believes that the 7/7/05 London bombings, and the 2004 Madrid bombings were the actions of a "special wing of, probably, U.S. or western military intelligence".

Kevin Barrett's trip to Morocco is described here (http://www.mujca.com/nobaggage.htm). Kevin Barrett's behaviour exposed here (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=71003).

Webster Tarpley (AB in English and Italian, MA in humanities) - Believes there were no Islamic terrorists involved. Says people from the caves couldn't do that. Accuses Bush and Cheney. To some extent believes in the space beam theories. Ignores all the evidence. Claims that Prescott Bush got rich helping finance the Third Reich, and the money he made became the core of the Bush family's wealth.

Webster Tarpley's views in his article here (http://rockcreekfreepress.com/RCFPJan2007-Pg8.pdf). Prescott Bush claim can be found here (http://radioequalizer.blogspot.com/2005/12/larouche-sympathizer-drobny-featured.html).

Steven Jones (58) (Ph.D. in physics) - Claims thermite/thermate brought the towers down. Got his dust samples from one single source (a truther), and this dust was exposed to all surrounding conditions for a minimum of nine days before collected. Ignores all the natural explanations for his findings. Ignores the fact that thermite cuts downwards. Has experimented with Cold Nuclear Fusion, nowadays known as Muon-catalyzed fusion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muon-catalyzed_fusion). Specialized in Metal-catalyzed fusion, Archaeometry, and Solar energy. Believes that Jesus visited America, and has written a paper about it, called "Behold My Hands: Evidence for Christ's Visit in Ancient America (http://web.archive.org/web/20051124053614/http://www.physics.byu.edu/faculty/jones/rel491/handstext+and+figures.htm)". Joined the movement after getting to know Jim Hoffman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Hoffman)'s work.

The experiences of his dust sample source, Janette MacKinlay and the nine day interval are described here (http://www.theneedtoremember.com/images/books/FORTUNATElowres.pdf). MacKinlay exposed as a hardcore truther here (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2912791646250753577&q=lifting+the+fog). His latest paper is here (http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200704/JonesWTC911SciMethod.pdf).

Dylan Avery (23) (denied admission twice by Purchase College's film school) - Where do we start. Ignores all criticism. Bans all people from his forums who even politely disagree with his theories. Compares his efforts to the likes of Nelson Mandela, Rosa Parks and others. Has said Pentagon is the easiest sell. Says his movie includes errors and dubious claims. Has ridiculed and laughed at the story of passengers and crew surrendering to the threat of boxcutters. Brags about the money being made off the busted Virgin Airlines deal. We could write pages about him alone. Film mates with Jason Bermas and Korey Rowe. His new film is going to be produced by Alex Jones (see Alex Jones).

More Avery blurbs here (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2666463&postcount=1) and here (http://www.911myths.com/LooseChangeCreatorsSpeak.pdf). His debate with Mark Roberts is here (part 1) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1501073182328817124&q=hardfire+loose+change) and here (part 2) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4375097979996629155&q=hardfire+loose+change).

Jason Bermas (graphic designer)- Said the firefighters were paid off. Then later corrected himself by saying a jedi mind trick was pulled on him. Otherwise, see Dylan Avery.

More Bermas blurbs here (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2516194&postcount=6) and here (http://www.911myths.com/LooseChangeCreatorsSpeak.pdf). His debate with Mark Roberts is here (part 1) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1501073182328817124&q=hardfire+loose+change) and here (part 2) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4375097979996629155&q=hardfire+loose+change).

Korey Rowe (24) (former US Army soldier) - Says errors were intentionally put into Loose Change. Otherwise, see Dylan Avery.

Alex Jones (33) (radio host, fired from KJFK-FM in 1999 because of his views) - The father figure. Source to numerous conspiracy claims. Has implied the FDNY were complicit of murder. Says the 7/7/05 London bombings were orchestrated by British intelligence. Says global warming is a hoax. Says AIDS was orchestrated by the high powers of the world. Says the Oklahoma bombing was orchestrated by the FBI. Says the 1993 WTC bombing was orchestrated by the FBI. Says there is a New World Order, an Illuminati, an evil entity of powerful people that control and dominate the entire world. Says the NWO/Illuminati leave signs and give clues of their work, but are so arrogant they just don't care if someone (Alex Jones) notices. Says there is a plan to get rid of most of the population of the world. Claims all the terrorists are patsies. Has speculated the Virginia Tech shootings being a government black-op, Hurricane Katrina being weather manipulation and the 2004 Tsunami possibly caused by a deliberate under sea detonation. Believes in Chemtrails, JFK assassination being a government operation and US Government foreknowledge and allowance of Pearl Harbor. Claims that Communism was a plot by international banks in the early 1900s to oppress the Russian serfs. Producer of Loose Change Final Cut.

His views are expressed here (http://www.infowars.com/), here (http://www.prisonplanet.com/) and here (http://www.jonesreport.com/).

Paul Joseph Watson (25) (webmaster) & Steve Watson (27) (BA Degree in Literature and a Masters Degree in International Relations) - Work for and share the thoughts of Alex Jones.

Their views are expressed here (http://www.infowars.com/), here (http://www.prisonplanet.com/) and here (http://www.jonesreport.com/).

Kevin Ryan (former manager of Underwriter's Laboratories water testing division) - Claims UL certified the WTC steel. Says it's impossible for the towers to have collapsed without controlled demolition. Tested water when working for UL, before being fired.

His lecture is here (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2240960989290438907).

Doug Plumb (bachelors degree in electrical engineering) - Believes in mini-nukes at WTC. Supports Judy Wood. Is a recruiter for Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.

His e-mails are here (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2678343&postcount=1).

William Rodriguez (45) (former magician and WTC janitor) - Has changed his story numerous times. Description of the event went from "rumble like moving furniture" to "explosion that knocked you in the air". Claims he knew when the plane hit, eventhough he was in a closed basement. Will not answer any questions regarding his story. Will not debate his critics. Claims he's on a no-fly list, but is going to Europe for the summer and was in Venezuela recently. How does he make those trips? Recently made the statement "I am 9/11".

His claims are analyzed extensively here (http://911stories.googlepages.com/home). His "I am 9/11" and "no-fly list" claims are made here (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=10411&view=findpost&p=13758893).

Robert Balsamo (JDX, JohnDoeX) (pilot) - Claims the Flight 77 flight data recorder found at the Pentagon rubble proves, that Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon. If the FDR data is correct, Flight 77 did hit the Pentagon. If the FDR data is faked, why did they fake it not to show a hit. Why not fake it to show the plane hit the Pentagon. And this FDR data is what he bases his whole theory on.

Robert Balsamo interviewed here (http://www.v911t.org/M/Pandora%27s%20Black%20Box%20-%20FDR%2077.mp3).

Luke Rudkowski (20) - Leader of the We Are Change -group. Got involved in the truther community after being beaten by the NYPD. Organizes street actions and demonstrations. Specializes in confrontations. Recently confronted Rudy Giuliani and Mr. Rockefeller. His group's methods are questionable. They obtain addressess and appear on the doorsteps and public appearances of their chosen targets. Has close ties with Alex Jones and the Loose Change crew. Recently one of their group members was arrested when confronting a Rudy Giuliani employee.

Rockefeller confrontation here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHNeFU6MnGU) and Giuliani employee confronted here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOerYpJse30).

Craig Ranke (Lyte Trip) & Aldo Marquis (Merc) - Citizen Investigation Team. Claim no plane hit the Pentagon and focus on this issue. Ignore the evidence of debris, DNA, impact damage and most of the eyewitnesses. Have a couple of interviews with witnesses done years later, and they claim these interviews prove all their points. Close ties with Pilots for 9/11 Truth. Not much support from the truther community.

Pentacon the movie here (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4196580169348087802&q=pentacon).

Killtown - An internet personality stating some of the most outrageous claims. Believes in no planes at all -theory, everything was faked. Claims to have seen 911 written in the impact explosion clouds of the planes at the WTC. Claims the Val McClatchey smoke plume photo is fake. Was mentioned in the end credits of Loose Change 2nd edition and many claims in that film are based on his research. Later abandoned by those very same people.

His blog is here (http://killtown.blogspot.com/). Website here (http://killtown.911review.org/).

Nico Haupt (35) (ewing2001) (Web Consultant) - Believes no planes hit the WTC and the images of the planes were created by TV fakery.

His blog can be found here (http://911tvfakery.blogspot.com/).

Alexander Dewdney (66) (Ph.D. in Math) - Claims that according to his studies the phone calls from the planes were virtually impossible and has suggested the calls were created using real-time voice morphing technology. Suggests agents flew the planes, and relatives ignored inconsistencies in the calls due to wishful thinking. Claims only about 36 people would have been required to stage the attacks (Operation Pearl (http://www.serendipity.li/wot/operation_pearl.htm)).

His article on the cell phone calls can be found here (http://physics911.net/cellphoneflight93).


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And finally, a link to Mark Iradian's video 9/11 Deniers Speak (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7216643725166640147&q=denier+speak).

These are the people and beliefs the debunkers are dealing with. And what they want us to believe.

This article can be used side to side with the "Who's Who in the 911-truth movement (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2569183&postcount=110)" article by SLOB (notice that Killtown is not Nico Haupt as stated in that article).

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Sorry about the long post again! I just couldn't edit the previous anymore. I had to add the David Ray Griffin parapsychology link. It's unbelievable. I wonder what else comes to surface. I didn't know nearly this much stuff about these truthers before I started writing this.

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Judy Wood (Ph.D. in Materials Engineering Science) - Believes Directed-Energy weapons were used in the destruction of the WTC. Ignores the fact that the space beam would require impossible amounts of energy.

The Judy Wood experience here (http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/). Her interview is here (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-558096240694803017&q=judy+wood).

James "Jim" Fetzer (66) (Ph.D. in history and philosophy of science) - Supports Judy Wood and her Space Beam research. Says Judy Wood is the most qualified person to analyze WTC. Believes in no plane at the Pentagon -theory. Has one witness to support this theory. This witness didn't even see the actual event. Ignores all the other witnesses, the DNA evidence, the impact damage, debris found at the scene and all the other evidence supporting the fact that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon. Also maintains that John F. Kennedy was assassinated as the result of a planned and precisely executed conspiracy, which included altering the autopsy X-rays, substituting another brain, and recreating the Zapruder film using sophisticated techniques of optical printing and special effects. Numerous other dubious claims not mentioned here.

His debate on 9/11 with Mark Roberts is here (part 1) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5692853335910175330), here (part 2) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5795767092800734293) and here (part 3) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7639955686054850079).

Richard Gage (AIA, Architect) - Claims the foreknowledge of the collapses by NYPD and FDNY is proof of controlled demolition. In other words, he claims NYPD and FDNY have knowledge of the controlled demolition, but remain silent. Says controlled demolition is clearly outside the scope of his training and expertise, yet he also says there is a solid and convincing case proving all three buildings were destroyed by controlled demolitions. Joined the truth movement after reading David Ray Griffin.

His proof of controlled demolition is here (http://www.ae911truth.org/). His admission he is no expert in demolitions is here (http://www.ae911truth.org/info/4).

David Ray Griffin (67) (Ph.D. in philosophical theology) - Doubts the authenticity of all the on-flight phone calls. Believes in controlled demolition. Believes some of the alleged hijackers are still alive. Says no plane hit the Pentagon, NORAD was ordered to stand down and Flight 93 was shot down. Supports numerous claims not mentioned here. Ignores all the evidence against his theories. Has admitted one mistake, after it was pointed to him by a fellow truther. Thinks TWA800 was shot down by Al Qaeda. In 1997 he wrote a book about Parapsychology, Philosophy and Spirituality (http://books.google.com/books?id=xCmeJQJldFsC&dq=Parapsychology,+Philosophy,+and+Spirituality&pg=PP1&ots=2dzbfmuYIJ&sig=sCavO-m_v-3OtIiWjKyU4E8Jvv8&prev=http://www.google.com/search%3Fhl%3Den%26q%3DParapsychology%252C%2BPhilo sophy%252C%2Band%2BSpirituality%26btnG%3DGoogle%2B Search&sa=X&oi=print&ct=title#PPP1,M1). In this book Griffin articulates a constructive postmodern philosophy that allows the parapsychological evidence to be taken seriously. Griffin examines this evidence extensively and identifies four types of repeatable phenomena that suggest the reality of extrasensory perception and psychokinesis. He examines five types of evidence for the reality of life after death: messages from mediums; apparitions; cases of the possession type; cases of the reincarnation type; and out-of-body experiences. Fact checker for Loose Change Final Cut.

His extensive lecture from his visit to Denmark is here (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8119854514684528700&q=david+ray+griffin). Griffin is dealt with here (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=83058). His admission of one mistake and his continuing doubt of the authenticity of the phone calls is here (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17659.htm).

Kevin Barrett (48) (master's degree in English literature and French, Ph.D. in African languages and literature with a minor in folklore) - Believes there were no Islamic terrorists involved in 9/11 and that genuine Islamic terrorism doesn't exist. Tried to find one alive hijacker in Morocco, but did no research beforehand. Only when in Morocco, he found out the person he is looking for may not even be in the same country. A simple call to the embassies and airlines from the US could have told him that. Ignores all the evidence. Believes that the 7/7/05 London bombings, and the 2004 Madrid bombings were the actions of a "special wing of, probably, U.S. or western military intelligence".

Kevin Barrett's trip to Morocco is described here (http://www.mujca.com/nobaggage.htm). Kevin Barrett's behaviour exposed here (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=71003).

Webster Tarpley (AB in English and Italian, MA in humanities) - Believes there were no Islamic terrorists involved. Says people from the caves couldn't do that. Accuses Bush and Cheney. To some extent believes in the space beam theories. Ignores all the evidence. Claims that Prescott Bush got rich helping finance the Third Reich, and the money he made became the core of the Bush family's wealth.

Webster Tarpley's views in his article here (http://rockcreekfreepress.com/RCFPJan2007-Pg8.pdf). Prescott Bush claim can be found here (http://radioequalizer.blogspot.com/2005/12/larouche-sympathizer-drobny-featured.html).

Steven Jones (58) (Ph.D. in physics) - Claims thermite/thermate brought the towers down. Got his dust samples from one single source (a truther), and this dust was exposed to all surrounding conditions for a minimum of nine days before collected. Ignores all the natural explanations for his findings. Ignores the fact that thermite cuts downwards. Has experimented with Cold Nuclear Fusion, nowadays known as Muon-catalyzed fusion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muon-catalyzed_fusion). Specialized in Metal-catalyzed fusion, Archaeometry, and Solar energy. Believes that Jesus visited America, and has written a paper about it, called "Behold My Hands: Evidence for Christ's Visit in Ancient America (http://web.archive.org/web/20051124053614/http://www.physics.byu.edu/faculty/jones/rel491/handstext+and+figures.htm)". Joined the movement after getting to know Jim Hoffman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Hoffman)'s work.

The experiences of his dust sample source, Janette MacKinlay and the nine day interval are described here (http://www.theneedtoremember.com/images/books/FORTUNATElowres.pdf). MacKinlay exposed as a hardcore truther here (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2912791646250753577&q=lifting+the+fog). His latest paper is here (http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200704/JonesWTC911SciMethod.pdf).

Dylan Avery (23) (denied admission twice by Purchase College's film school) - Where do we start. Ignores all criticism. Bans all people from his forums who even politely disagree with his theories. Compares his efforts to the likes of Nelson Mandela, Rosa Parks and others. Has said Pentagon is the easiest sell. Says his movie includes errors and dubious claims. Has ridiculed and laughed at the story of passengers and crew surrendering to the threat of boxcutters. Brags about the money being made off the busted Virgin Airlines deal. We could write pages about him alone. Film mates with Jason Bermas and Korey Rowe. His new film is going to be produced by Alex Jones (see Alex Jones).

More Avery blurbs here (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2666463&postcount=1) and here (http://www.911myths.com/LooseChangeCreatorsSpeak.pdf). His debate with Mark Roberts is here (part 1) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1501073182328817124&q=hardfire+loose+change) and here (part 2) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4375097979996629155&q=hardfire+loose+change).

Jason Bermas (graphic designer)- Said the firefighters were paid off. Then later corrected himself by saying a jedi mind trick was pulled on him. Otherwise, see Dylan Avery.

More Bermas blurbs here (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2516194&postcount=6) and here (http://www.911myths.com/LooseChangeCreatorsSpeak.pdf). His debate with Mark Roberts is here (part 1) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1501073182328817124&q=hardfire+loose+change) and here (part 2) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4375097979996629155&q=hardfire+loose+change).

Korey Rowe (24) (former US Army soldier) - Says errors were intentionally put into Loose Change. Otherwise, see Dylan Avery.

Alex Jones (33) (radio host, fired from KJFK-FM in 1999 because of his views) - The father figure. Source to numerous conspiracy claims. Has implied the FDNY were complicit of murder. Says the 7/7/05 London bombings were orchestrated by British intelligence. Says global warming is a hoax. Says AIDS was orchestrated by the high powers of the world. Says the Oklahoma bombing was orchestrated by the FBI. Says the 1993 WTC bombing was orchestrated by the FBI. Says there is a New World Order, an Illuminati, an evil entity of powerful people that control and dominate the entire world. Says the NWO/Illuminati leave signs and give clues of their work, but are so arrogant they just don't care if someone (Alex Jones) notices. Says there is a plan to get rid of most of the population of the world. Claims all the terrorists are patsies. Has speculated the Virginia Tech shootings being a government black-op, Hurricane Katrina being weather manipulation and the 2004 Tsunami possibly caused by a deliberate under sea detonation. Believes in Chemtrails, JFK assassination being a government operation and US Government foreknowledge and allowance of Pearl Harbor. Claims that Communism was a plot by international banks in the early 1900s to oppress the Russian serfs. Producer of Loose Change Final Cut.

His views are expressed here (http://www.infowars.com/), here (http://www.prisonplanet.com/) and here (http://www.jonesreport.com/).

Paul Joseph Watson (25) (webmaster) & Steve Watson (27) (BA Degree in Literature and a Masters Degree in International Relations) - Work for and share the thoughts of Alex Jones.

Their views are expressed here (http://www.infowars.com/), here (http://www.prisonplanet.com/) and here (http://www.jonesreport.com/).

Kevin Ryan (former manager of Underwriter's Laboratories water testing division) - Claims UL certified the WTC steel. Says it's impossible for the towers to have collapsed without controlled demolition. Tested water when working for UL, before being fired.

His lecture is here (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2240960989290438907).

Doug Plumb (bachelors degree in electrical engineering) - Believes in mini-nukes at WTC. Supports Judy Wood. Is a recruiter for Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.

His e-mails are here (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2678343&postcount=1).

William Rodriguez (45) (former magician and WTC janitor) - Has changed his story numerous times. Description of the event went from "rumble like moving furniture" to "explosion that knocked you in the air". Claims he knew when the plane hit, eventhough he was in a closed basement. Will not answer any questions regarding his story. Will not debate his critics. Claims he's on a no-fly list, but is going to Europe for the summer and was in Venezuela recently. How does he make those trips? Recently made the statement "I am 9/11".

His claims are analyzed extensively here (http://911stories.googlepages.com/home). His "I am 9/11" and "no-fly list" claims are made here (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=10411&view=findpost&p=13758893).

Robert Balsamo (JDX, JohnDoeX) (pilot) - Claims the Flight 77 flight data recorder found at the Pentagon rubble proves, that Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon. If the FDR data is correct, Flight 77 did hit the Pentagon. If the FDR data is faked, why did they fake it not to show a hit. Why not fake it to show the plane hit the Pentagon. And this FDR data is what he bases his whole theory on.

Robert Balsamo interviewed here (http://www.v911t.org/M/Pandora%27s%20Black%20Box%20-%20FDR%2077.mp3).

Luke Rudkowski (20) - Leader of the We Are Change -group. Got involved in the truther community after being beaten by the NYPD. Organizes street actions and demonstrations. Specializes in confrontations. Recently confronted Rudy Giuliani and Mr. Rockefeller. His group's methods are questionable. They obtain addressess and appear on the doorsteps and public appearances of their chosen targets. Has close ties with Alex Jones and the Loose Change crew. Recently one of their group members was arrested when confronting a Rudy Giuliani employee.

Rockefeller confrontation here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHNeFU6MnGU) and Giuliani employee confronted here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOerYpJse30).

Craig Ranke (Lyte Trip) & Aldo Marquis (Merc) - Citizen Investigation Team. Claim no plane hit the Pentagon and focus on this issue. Ignore the evidence of debris, DNA, impact damage and most of the eyewitnesses. Have a couple of interviews with witnesses done years later, and they claim these interviews prove all their points. Close ties with Pilots for 9/11 Truth. Not much support from the truther community.

Pentacon the movie here (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4196580169348087802&q=pentacon).

Killtown - An internet personality stating some of the most outrageous claims. Believes in no planes at all -theory, everything was faked. Claims to have seen 911 written in the impact explosion clouds of the planes at the WTC. Claims the Val McClatchey smoke plume photo is fake. Was mentioned in the end credits of Loose Change 2nd edition and many claims in that film are based on his research. Later abandoned by those very same people.

His blog is here (http://killtown.blogspot.com/). Website here (http://killtown.911review.org/).

Nico Haupt (35) (ewing2001) (Web Consultant) - Believes no planes hit the WTC and the images of the planes were created by TV fakery.

His blog can be found here (http://911tvfakery.blogspot.com/).

Alexander Dewdney (66) (Ph.D. in Math) - Claims that according to his studies the phone calls from the planes were virtually impossible and has suggested the calls were created using real-time voice morphing technology. Suggests agents flew the planes, and relatives ignored inconsistencies in the calls due to wishful thinking. Claims only about 36 people would have been required to stage the attacks (Operation Pearl (http://www.serendipity.li/wot/operation_pearl.htm)).

His article on the cell phone calls can be found here (http://physics911.net/cellphoneflight93).


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And finally, a link to Mark Iradian's video 9/11 Deniers Speak (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7216643725166640147&q=denier+speak).

These are the people and beliefs the debunkers are dealing with. And what they want us to believe.

This article can be used side to side with the "Who's Who in the 911-truth movement (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2569183&postcount=110)" article by SLOB (notice that Killtown is not Nico Haupt as stated in that article).

[Dave Rogers]

Ref,

You should probably include Jim Hoffman, who's probably created more 9/11 CT web material than most (www.911review.com (http://www.911review.com), 911research.wtc7.net (http://www.911research.wtc7.net)), and IIRC was involved in the recent San Diego Citizens' Grand Jury (or whatever they called themselves) fiasco. Believes the towers were CD's, planes under remote control hit WTC1/2 and the Pentagon but United 93 was a genuine hi-jack, and his 911review site contains a lot of material debunking the conspiracy theories he personally doesn't agree with. Also believes that 500 tons of TNT was required to account for the expansion of the dust cloud after the WTC collapses.

Dave

[ref]

Ok, I'll add Jim Hoffman :)

I know his sites, I have to dig in to see deeper into his beliefs. I know he is pro-CD and anti-no-planes, and a critic of loose change. I'll do that after I get home from work. It's 2:34 PM in here folks.

I also won't be adding David Icke. Those who believe world leaders are reptiles, won't make my list. Google will give info of him, if someone wants to know more.

[SpitfireIX]

Here's some more information about Doug Plumb. I was going to post this in the AE911T thread, but as you're including him in your Who's Who (or perhaps a better title would be The Usual Suspects :D), I thought it would be more appropriate here.

I came across the following in an unsuccessful attempt to determine where he got his degree.

Here is his meetup.com page (http://9-11.meetup.com/282/members/4083847/) for a Toronto "Truther" group (presumably the same one discussed in this thread (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=84325), but of course one can never be certain with conspiracists ("The Judean People's Front?? We're the People's Front of Judea!!" :D)

Here is Plumb's other Meetup.com page (http://canadiansov.meetup.com/18/members/4083847/). In addition to the "Truther" group, he belongs to a fringe political party known as the Canadian Action Party. From their web site (http://paulgrignon.netfirms.com/CAP-PAC_Flash/Flash_CAP_English.html), their main platform planks appear to be anti-globalization, anti-business, paranoia about being absorbed by the US, and September 11 conspiracism. According to the wikipedia article, the CAP received about 1/3 or one percent of the popular vote in the last general election.

Here is a blog entry (http://http://www.blog.agoracosmopolitan.com/?cat=18&paged=2) that he made that expresses his conspiracist views. It's very enlightening. An abridged version was later published by the online paper that owns the blog.

Here is his company web site (http://www.etfacoustic.com/). He describes himself in the blog article as a "self-employed computer programmer."

[ref]

Added Jim Hoffman, Christopher Bollyn, Eric Hufschmid and Paul Thompson. The Hoffman part came out pretty well actually. Many claims.


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Judy Wood (Ph.D. in Materials Engineering Science) - Believes Directed-Energy weapons were used in the destruction of the WTC. Ignores the fact that the space beam would require impossible amounts of energy.

The Judy Wood experience here (http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/). Her interview is here (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-558096240694803017&q=judy+wood).

James "Jim" Fetzer (66) (Ph.D. in history and philosophy of science) - Supports Judy Wood and her Space Beam research. Says Judy Wood is the most qualified person to analyze WTC. Believes in no plane at the Pentagon -theory. Has one witness to support this theory. This witness didn't even see the actual event. Ignores all the other witnesses, the DNA evidence, the impact damage, debris found at the scene and all the other evidence supporting the fact that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon. Also maintains that John F. Kennedy was assassinated as the result of a planned and precisely executed conspiracy, which included altering the autopsy X-rays, substituting another brain, and recreating the Zapruder film using sophisticated techniques of optical printing and special effects. Numerous other dubious claims not mentioned here.

His debate on 9/11 with Mark Roberts is here (part 1) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5692853335910175330), here (part 2) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5795767092800734293) and here (part 3) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7639955686054850079).

Richard Gage (AIA, Architect) - Claims the foreknowledge of the collapses by NYPD and FDNY is proof of controlled demolition. In other words, he claims NYPD and FDNY have knowledge of the controlled demolition, but remain silent. Says controlled demolition is clearly outside the scope of his training and expertise, yet he also says there is a solid and convincing case proving all three buildings were destroyed by controlled demolitions. Joined the truth movement after reading David Ray Griffin.

His proof of controlled demolition is here (http://www.ae911truth.org/). His admission he is no expert in demolitions is here (http://www.ae911truth.org/info/4).

David Ray Griffin (67) (Ph.D. in philosophical theology) - Doubts the authenticity of all the on-flight phone calls. Believes in controlled demolition. Believes some of the alleged hijackers are still alive. Says no plane hit the Pentagon, NORAD was ordered to stand down and Flight 93 was shot down. Supports numerous claims not mentioned here. Ignores all the evidence against his theories. Has admitted one mistake, after it was pointed to him by a fellow truther. Thinks TWA800 was shot down by Al Qaeda. In 1997 he wrote a book about Parapsychology, Philosophy and Spirituality (http://books.google.com/books?id=xCmeJQJldFsC&dq=Parapsychology,+Philosophy,+and+Spirituality&pg=PP1&ots=2dzbfmuYIJ&sig=sCavO-m_v-3OtIiWjKyU4E8Jvv8&prev=http://www.google.com/search%3Fhl%3Den%26q%3DParapsychology%252C%2BPhilo sophy%252C%2Band%2BSpirituality%26btnG%3DGoogle%2B Search&sa=X&oi=print&ct=title#PPP1,M1). In this book Griffin articulates a constructive postmodern philosophy that allows the parapsychological evidence to be taken seriously. Griffin examines this evidence extensively and identifies four types of repeatable phenomena that suggest the reality of extrasensory perception and psychokinesis. He examines five types of evidence for the reality of life after death: messages from mediums; apparitions; cases of the possession type; cases of the reincarnation type; and out-of-body experiences. Fact checker for Loose Change Final Cut.

His extensive lecture from his visit to Denmark is here (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8119854514684528700&q=david+ray+griffin). Griffin is dealt with here (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=83058). His admission of one mistake and his continuing doubt of the authenticity of the phone calls is here (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17659.htm).

Kevin Barrett (48) (master's degree in English literature and French, Ph.D. in African languages and literature with a minor in folklore) - Believes there were no Islamic terrorists involved in 9/11 and that genuine Islamic terrorism doesn't exist. Tried to find one alive hijacker in Morocco, but did no research beforehand. Only when in Morocco, he found out the person he is looking for may not even be in the same country. A simple call to the embassies and airlines from the US could have told him that. Ignores all the evidence. Believes that the 7/7/05 London bombings, and the 2004 Madrid bombings were the actions of a "special wing of, probably, U.S. or western military intelligence".

Kevin Barrett's trip to Morocco is described here (http://www.mujca.com/nobaggage.htm). Kevin Barrett's behaviour exposed here (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=71003).

Webster Tarpley (AB in English and Italian, MA in humanities) - Believes there were no Islamic terrorists involved. Says people from the caves couldn't do that. Accuses Bush and Cheney. To some extent believes in the space beam theories. Ignores all the evidence. Claims that Prescott Bush got rich helping finance the Third Reich, and the money he made became the core of the Bush family's wealth.

Webster Tarpley's views in his article here (http://rockcreekfreepress.com/RCFPJan2007-Pg8.pdf). Prescott Bush claim can be found here (http://radioequalizer.blogspot.com/2005/12/larouche-sympathizer-drobny-featured.html).

Steven Jones (58) (Ph.D. in physics) - Claims thermite/thermate brought the towers down. Got his dust samples from one single source (a truther), and this dust was exposed to all surrounding conditions for a minimum of nine days before collected. Ignores all the natural explanations for his findings. Ignores the fact that thermite cuts downwards. Has experimented with Cold Nuclear Fusion, nowadays known as Muon-catalyzed fusion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muon-catalyzed_fusion). Specialized in Metal-catalyzed fusion, Archaeometry, and Solar energy. Believes that Jesus visited America, and has written a paper about it, called "Behold My Hands: Evidence for Christ's Visit in Ancient America (http://web.archive.org/web/20051124053614/http://www.physics.byu.edu/faculty/jones/rel491/handstext+and+figures.htm)". Joined the movement after getting to know Jim Hoffman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Hoffman)'s work.

The experiences of his dust sample source, Janette MacKinlay and the nine day interval are described here (http://www.theneedtoremember.com/images/books/FORTUNATElowres.pdf). MacKinlay exposed as a hardcore truther here (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2912791646250753577&q=lifting+the+fog). His latest paper is here (http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200704/JonesWTC911SciMethod.pdf).

Dylan Avery (23) (denied admission twice by Purchase College's film school) - Where do we start. Ignores all criticism. Bans all people from his forums who even politely disagree with his theories. Compares his efforts to the likes of Nelson Mandela, Rosa Parks and others. Has said Pentagon is the easiest sell. Says his movie includes errors and dubious claims. Has ridiculed and laughed at the story of passengers and crew surrendering to the threat of boxcutters. Brags about the money being made off the busted Virgin Airlines deal. We could write pages about him alone. Film mates with Jason Bermas and Korey Rowe. His new film is going to be produced by Alex Jones (see Alex Jones).

More Avery blurbs here (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2666463&postcount=1) and here (http://www.911myths.com/LooseChangeCreatorsSpeak.pdf). His debate with Mark Roberts is here (part 1) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1501073182328817124&q=hardfire+loose+change) and here (part 2) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4375097979996629155&q=hardfire+loose+change).

Jason Bermas (graphic designer)- Said the firefighters were paid off. Then later corrected himself by saying a jedi mind trick was pulled on him. Otherwise, see Dylan Avery.

More Bermas blurbs here (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2516194&postcount=6) and here (http://www.911myths.com/LooseChangeCreatorsSpeak.pdf). His debate with Mark Roberts is here (part 1) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1501073182328817124&q=hardfire+loose+change) and here (part 2) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4375097979996629155&q=hardfire+loose+change).

Korey Rowe (24) (former US Army soldier) - Says errors were intentionally put into Loose Change. Otherwise, see Dylan Avery.

Alex Jones (33) (radio host, fired from KJFK-FM in 1999 because of his views) - The father figure. Source to numerous conspiracy claims. Has implied the FDNY were complicit of murder. Says the 7/7/05 London bombings were orchestrated by British intelligence. Says global warming is a hoax. Says AIDS was orchestrated by the high powers of the world. Says the Oklahoma bombing was orchestrated by the FBI. Says the 1993 WTC bombing was orchestrated by the FBI. Says there is a New World Order, an Illuminati, an evil entity of powerful people that control and dominate the entire world. Says the NWO/Illuminati leave signs and give clues of their work, but are so arrogant they just don't care if someone (Alex Jones) notices. Says there is a plan to get rid of most of the population of the world. Claims all the terrorists are patsies. Has speculated the Virginia Tech shootings being a government black-op, Hurricane Katrina being weather manipulation and the 2004 Tsunami possibly caused by a deliberate under sea detonation. Believes in Chemtrails, JFK assassination being a government operation and US Government foreknowledge and allowance of Pearl Harbor. Claims that Communism was a plot by international banks in the early 1900s to oppress the Russian serfs. Producer of Loose Change Final Cut.

His views are expressed here (http://www.infowars.com/), here (http://www.prisonplanet.com/) and here (http://www.jonesreport.com/).

Paul Joseph Watson (25) (webmaster) & Steve Watson (27) (BA Degree in Literature and a Masters Degree in International Relations) - Work for and share the thoughts of Alex Jones.

Their views are expressed here (http://www.infowars.com/), here (http://www.prisonplanet.com/) and here (http://www.jonesreport.com/).

Kevin Ryan (former manager of Underwriter's Laboratories water testing division) - Claims UL certified the WTC steel. Says it's impossible for the towers to have collapsed without controlled demolition. Tested water when working for UL, before being fired.

His lecture is here (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2240960989290438907).

Doug Plumb (bachelors degree in electrical engineering) - Believes in mini-nukes at WTC. Supports Judy Wood. Is a recruiter for Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.

His e-mails are here (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2678343&postcount=1). His blog entry discussing his views is here (http://www.blog.agoracosmopolitan.com/?cat=18&paged=2).

William Rodriguez (45) (former magician and WTC janitor) - Has changed his story numerous times. Description of the event went from "rumble like moving furniture" to "explosion that knocked you in the air". Claims he knew when the plane hit, eventhough he was in a closed basement. Will not answer any questions regarding his story. Will not debate his critics. Claims he's on a no-fly list, but is going to Europe for the summer and was in Venezuela recently. How does he make those trips? Recently made the statement "I am 9/11".

His claims are analyzed extensively here (http://911stories.googlepages.com/home). His "I am 9/11" and "no-fly list" claims are made here (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=10411&view=findpost&p=13758893).

Robert Balsamo (JDX, JohnDoeX) (pilot) - Claims the Flight 77 flight data recorder found at the Pentagon rubble proves, that Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon. If the FDR data is correct, Flight 77 did hit the Pentagon. If the FDR data is faked, why did they fake it not to show a hit. Why not fake it to show the plane hit the Pentagon. And this FDR data is what he bases his whole theory on.

Robert Balsamo interviewed here (http://www.v911t.org/M/Pandora%27s%20Black%20Box%20-%20FDR%2077.mp3).

Luke Rudkowski (20) - Leader of the We Are Change -group. Got involved in the truther community after being beaten by the NYPD. Organizes street actions and demonstrations. Specializes in confrontations. Recently confronted Rudy Giuliani and Mr. Rockefeller. His group's methods are questionable. They obtain addressess and appear on the doorsteps and public appearances of their chosen targets. Has close ties with Alex Jones and the Loose Change crew. Recently one of their group members was arrested when confronting a Rudy Giuliani employee.

Rockefeller confrontation here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHNeFU6MnGU) and Giuliani employee confronted here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOerYpJse30).

Craig Ranke (Lyte Trip) & Aldo Marquis (Merc) - Citizen Investigation Team. Claim no plane hit the Pentagon and focus on this issue. Ignore the evidence of debris, DNA, impact damage and most of the eyewitnesses. Have a couple of interviews with witnesses done years later, and they claim these interviews prove all their points. Close ties with Pilots for 9/11 Truth. Not much support from the truther community.

Pentacon the movie here (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4196580169348087802&q=pentacon).

Killtown - An internet personality stating some of the most outrageous claims. Believes in no planes at all -theory, everything was faked. Claims to have seen 911 written in the impact explosion clouds of the planes at the WTC. Claims the Val McClatchey smoke plume photo is fake. Was mentioned in the end credits of Loose Change 2nd edition and many claims in that film are based on his research. Later abandoned by those very same people.

His blog is here (http://killtown.blogspot.com/). Website here (http://killtown.911review.org/).

Nico Haupt (35) (ewing2001) (Web Consultant) - Believes no planes hit the WTC and the images of the planes were created by TV fakery.

His blog can be found here (http://911tvfakery.blogspot.com/).

Alexander Dewdney (66) (Ph.D. in Math) - Claims that according to his studies the phone calls from the planes were virtually impossible and has suggested the calls were created using real-time voice morphing technology. Suggests agents flew the planes, and relatives ignored inconsistencies in the calls due to wishful thinking. Claims only about 36 people would have been required to stage the attacks (Operation Pearl (http://www.serendipity.li/wot/operation_pearl.htm)).

His article on the cell phone calls can be found here (http://physics911.net/cellphoneflight93).

Jim Hoffman (software engineer) - Strong supporter of the controlled demolition theory. Claims the entire 9/11 attack was an inside job not involving Al Qaida at all, because only US officials had access to the underlying infrastructure of the buildings and possibility to plant explosives. Claims Mr. Zdenek B. Bazant is ignorant of structural engineering (In reality he is one of world's leading structural engineers. Bazant's resume is here (http://www.civil.northwestern.edu/people/bazant/PDFs/resume.pdf), Hoffman's bio here (http://911research.wtc7.net/re911/hoffman.html)). Claims the planes were remotely controlled, because "It would not be rational for the planners of such an attack to entrust a key component of the operation - the piloting of the jetliners - to any human pilot". Claims NORAD was ordered to stand down. Suggests the attacks might have been carried out by as few as twelve individuals. Claims huge sums of money could have bought people's co-operation, keeping them silent. Claims the attacks were so bold and shocking, that even people who were involved in covering it up (like leaders in the media, FEMA, FBI, etc.) would fall for the fraud. Continues to cite the work of Eric Hufschmid and Christopher Bollyn, despite the fact that they are holocaust deniers or racist, because the selected works he cites do not betray them as holocaust deniers or racist.

You can find Jim Hoffman explaining his views here (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5721945375919981724&q=%22jim+hoffman%22&hl=en). His claim Bazant is ignorant of structural engineering here (http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/columns.html).

Christopher Bollyn (50) (degree in history) - Claims Israeli agents were involved in the attacks of 9/11. Speaks openly against Zionism and Israel. One of the main figures behind the no planes at Pentagon and Shanksville theories.

Eric Hufschmid (developer of CAD/CAM software) - Claims WTC buildings were destroyed by controlled demolition and Pentagon hit by a global hawk. Blames the 9/11 attacks on Zionists and Jews. Denies holocaust.

Paul Thompson (mid-30's) (bachelor in psychology) - Author of the "complete 9/11 timeline". Believes the mainstream media have failed to document the attacks accurately, yet his timeline is produced exclusively from mainstream media reports. Admits to believing that "to me there's no way the official story could hold true".

His admission of doubting the official story can be found here (http://www.readbuzz.com/home/index.cfm?event=displayArticle&ustory_id=1e6fedc5-0acf-42f8-aa32-e554a04e65b8).
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And finally, a link to Mark Iradian's video 9/11 Deniers Speak (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7216643725166640147&q=denier+speak).

These are the people and beliefs the debunkers are dealing with. And what they want us to believe.

This article can be used side to side with the "Who's Who in the 911-truth movement (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2569183&postcount=110)" article by SLOB (notice that Killtown is not Nico Haupt as stated in that article).

[ref]

Oh, and Jason Bermas is 27 years old. I won't post a new list just to add that :)

Btw, I would have thought Alex Jones is like 40. Only 33 :cool:

ETA: Ace, would you like to give us your brief bio and core beliefs regarding 9/11? I could add you. Or somebody else want to do that? I just don't want to crawl through all his threads and homepage. Or does he fit in there anyway. I have no idea how much influence he has, or is he just a lone truther.

[GwionX]

Oh, there is that John Conner/Mark Dice fellow. Although his schick of hijacking classrooms on college campuses should be a thing of the past in light of the recent tragedy at VT.

[CHF]

I would add that GR Griffin thinks that some hijackers are still alive but that the truth moevment doesn't have enough money to afford a plane ticket to the Middle East to find them.

[ref]

I would add that GR Griffin thinks that some hijackers are still alive but that the truth moevment doesn't have enough money to afford a plane ticket to the Middle East to find them.

But since then, one brave scholar from Wisconsin named Kevin Barrett went on a journey to find one hijacker :D No matter how little research he did or how little he found, but he falsified the statement that they couldn't go there. Which is actually even worse for them. They can go there, they claim hijackers are alive, they just can't provide the evidence because they can't find anybody.

I wonder if I forgot any significant truther. None come to mind now.

[Civilized Worm]

Well to be absolutely fair, Jones is a Mormon and Jesus visting the north american natives is one of the tenents of their belief system. To single him out for that in such a manner is wrong.


It's not just that he believes it, but that he attempted to prove it with his laughable paper (which suprisingly enough wasn't peer-reviewed).

[Unsecured Coins]

all I know is... next person who puts up a pic of Judy is getting a sock full of ball peen hammers to the mouth. Ugly like that should be outlawed under the Geneva Convention

[T.A.M.]

now now, you'll bring down the Wrath of Ace, if you keep up insulting Judy "Would".

TAM:)

[Unsecured Coins]

Of course Judy would. She'd to do anything to get attention from the "cool kids".

[bonavada]

He'll be in the next edition :)

Other suggestions?

i think christophera deserves a mention. for his C4-coated re-bar alone. stir in the reticent time-shifting mohawks, total pulverisation of the TT's, non-existent books and PBS documentaries, mass-hypnosis, and not forgetting his ubiquitous concrete core.

BV

[uk_dave]

I wonder how the structural engineers over at A&E will react to christophera.....

....oh, my mistake, there aren't any.

[JimBenArm]

I wonder how the structural engineers over at A&E will react to christophera.....

....oh, my mistake, there aren't any.
Yeah, they're pretty much limited to BAE's* aren't they?








*Burger Assembly Engineers

[ref]

I have added 5 new characters to the "Truthers Exposed (http://911guide.googlepages.com/truthersexposed)" -page. Quite a bunch these people are..


Andreas von Bülow (70) (doctorate in Jurisprudence) – Former German Research and Technology Minister, a Member of Parliament and a Deputy Defense Minister. Author of the book “Die CIA und der 11. September(The CIA and September 11) (http://www.amazon.de/September-Internationaler-Terror-Rolle-Geheimdienste/dp/3492242421)” published in 2003.

Does not believe that the Pentagon was hit by a Boeing 757. Claims that videos have been manipulated or withheld and no fragments of the plane have been found. Does not deny that there were four planes but these planes were probably operated by remote control. Says those who flew the planes simply lacked the flying practice of experienced pilots, they were "hobby pilots." Claims that 9/11 was a covert secret service operation and that there are indications that point to the role of the Israeli Mossad.

In 1998 published the book “Im Namen des Staates. CIA, BND und die Kriminellen Machenschaften der Geheimdienste (In the Name of the State: CIA, BND and the Criminal Machinations of the Secret Services) (http://www.amazon.de/Namen-Staates-kriminellen-Machenschaften-Geheimdienste/dp/3492040500/ref=sr_1_8/302-5976413-9204027?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1184494366&sr=1-8)”. This book was highly critical of the national intelligence service BND. By this time Von Bülow had become a principled and fanatical opponent of western intelligence services, a man who saw conspiracies everywhere. Believes the western intelligence services are the real terrorists who must be stopped. Claims Bin Laden is fiction, or a CIA agent and he and his folks are not dangerous.

His interview in German can be found here (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8274552561914055825&q=b%C3%BClow&total=81&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0).


Jared Israel (62) (activist, High School of Music and Art, attended Harvard and Columbia Universities) – Originator of the NORAD stand down –theories. But related to WTC says, there are a lot of possible explanations other than demolition. Strong supporter of Israel and an avid opposer of any anti-semitic conspiracy theories.

Martin Luther King and the Freedom Rides inspired him to start his own activism. In the 60’es worked for a peace publication called 'Minority of One' committed to exposing lies about foreign policy put forward both by American leaders and the mass media. Credits the magazine’s editor Monachem S. Arnoni for teaching him to think critically, and Arnoni’s magazine is the model for Jared’s own website. Jared Israel was also active in the anti-war movement and became a national leader of SDS (Students for a Democratic Society) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Students_for_a_Democratic_Society).

Restarted his activism in 1998, following the bombing of the Sudanese pharmaceutical plant. Founded the Emperor’s Clothes website (http://www.tenc.net/), with the main focus being on reaching people with his version of information about Yugoslavia and the Balkans. Produced a film called Judgment! (http://www.antiwar.com/orig/judgment2.html) showing how corporate media distorted a photograph of refugees to produce false evidence of Serbian atrocities and demonize the Serbs. Claims the 1995 Srebrenica massacre was a hoax (http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/jared/texts.htm), and Serbs were the actual victims.

Was a vice-chairman and editor of The International Committee to Defend Slobodan Milosevic (http://www.icdsm.com/), which demanded the “Immediate release of president Slobodan Milosevic from his illegal detention in the Hague and the abolition of the illegitimate so-called ‘International Criminal Tribunal for Former Yugoslavia’". Offered a $500 reward for anyone to find incitements to racial hatred in any of his speeches.

In 2005 he changed his views about Milosevic. He still thinks that Milosevic was not a war criminal, but rather a betrayer using rhetoric to pose as a heroic defender of Yugoslavia who blunted and destabilized Serbian resistance to the NATO attack on Yugoslavia. Although Milosevic helped inspire him to devoting himself to getting out the truth about Yugoslavia, he no longer views him as an honest leader.

His interview discussing the events of 9/11 can be read here (http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/radio-1a.htm).


Thierry Meyssan (50) (journalist, political activist) – Author of the book “L’Effroyable Imposture (9/11: The Big Lie) (http://www.effroyable-imposture.net/sommaire-en.php)”. Originator of numerous Pentagon conspiracy claims, including the cruise missile at Pentagon, no debris, too small hole for a Boeing, etc. Meyssan never visited the USA while doing his research. Has also written another 9/11 related book, “Le Pentagate (The Pentagate) (http://www.pentagate.info/sommaire-en.html)”.

One of his researchers for the books was Pierre-Henri Bunel, a former French major who – in December 2001 – was found guilty of treason for tipping off the Serbs about NATO military plans before the Kosovo conflict. Bunel also published articles in "Jeune Résistance," a review which is both anti-globalist and right extremist. Fabrice Robert, the editor of "Jeune Résistance," is a convicted Holocaust denier.

Meyssan also believes the Beslan massacre was thought out and perpetrated by the CIA, through the terrorist leader Shamil Basayev, which Meyssan insists was a CIA strawman. Says the purpose of the massacre was an attempt by the USA to gain control of the resources of the Caspian Sea.

President of the Voltaire network (http://www.voltairenet.org/en), which “aims at promoting freedom and secularism” and systematically attacks the Bush and Israeli administrations and accuse the USA of trying to establish a new world order. The network is made up of news agencies and newspapers from Latin America, Europe and the Arab World. In May 2002, the Network claimed that the coup d'état against president Hugo Chávez had been organised from the White House, citing names of personalities allegedly involved.


Morgan Reynolds (Ph.D. in Economics) - Former Chief Economist at the U.S. Department of Labor 2001-2002, and the Director of the Criminal Justice Center.

Reynolds believes commercial jets were not involved in the WTC and Pentagon attacks. Says the main operation in 9/11 was performed by “hundreds - 2000 active participants”. But claims hundreds of thousands of people are co-operating in covering up and being silent about 9/11, including Corporate Media, Governments etc.

In March 2007, Reynolds filed a Request For Correction (RFC) with NIST citing faulty physics in NIST's computer animations of planes impacting the WTC Twin Towers on 9/11.

Has written an article called: “Why Did the Trade Center Skyscrapers Collapse? (http://www.nomoregames.net/index.php?page=911&subpage1=why_did_WTCs_collapse)” His interview with Alex Jones can be found here (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8180123292618944278).


Carol A. Valentine (aka Carol A. Gallo) (legislative consultant, writer) – Originator of numerous conspiracy claims, including flight 93 shoot-down, remote controlled planes, Bin Laden video hoax, Hani Hanjour piloting skill doubts, and multiple claims of evidence fakery.

Her early article, The Insanity of the Insanity Defense (http://public-action.com/Just-Us/tioid.html) was written under the name Carol A. Gallo. It was published by the conservative newspaper Human Events on September 26, 1981, republished in the October, 1981 Criminal Justice Report (the National Association of Attorneys General monthly) and again republished as the lead article in a special "Insanity Defense" edition of The Prosecutor, published by the National District Attorneys Association.

She has worked on Capital Hill as a consultant in legislative analysis and press relations, and has also worked as a "plain English" writer in subjects ranging from government contract law to science and technology.

Carol is a denier of the WWII Holocaust. She is the author and Curator of the Waco Holocaust Electronic Museum (http://public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum) dedicated to “explaining the on-going government attempts to covering up the Waco Holocaust”. She is also the president of Public Action, Inc (http://www.public-action.com/). On her site, there are links to topics, like The American Coup d’Etat and the War for Jewish Supremacy, Imperium Judacum and The Great Holocaust Irony, which are highly anti-semitic.

[uk_dave]

jeez, ref! How'd you keep your sanity when trawling through all that crap?

If nothing else, when the dust settles on 911 and the current crop of 'truthers' have grown up and moved on to more important things, we'll be left with a damning indictment of the foibles of the human psyche in the form of caroline valentine et al.

[T.A.M.]

Ref:

You could name this literary collection:

1. Mixed Nuts
2. Nutfolio
3. Tome of the Insane
4. Encyclopedia Kookia (or Wingnutia)
5. The Big Book of Kooks

TAM:)

[ref]

jeez, ref! How'd you keep your sanity when trawling through all that crap?

That's why I produce new stuff only in pretty intensive efforts, keeping long breaks in between. There's no way I could or would be going through all that crap daily :rolleyes: Kudos to people who actually go through truther stuff on daily bases. I read this forum almost daily and comment almost daily, but these efforts of my own investigation are occasional. But when I do them, I try to do them as well as I can and for everyone to see and learn, of course :)

TAM, Nutfolio sounds pretty nice :)

PS. It's pretty amusing, that when truthers speak of a 93 shoot-down, or claim Hani Hanjour being a poor pilot, they cite the work of a Holocaust denier anti-semite. But when they speak of a NORAD stand-down, they cite the work of a pro-Israel Jew, who loathes anti-semitism. All mixed up nicely in the truthers world. Btw, I couldn't find any links from Jared Israel pages to Carol Valentine's pages, nor vice versa. That would really have been something :rolleyes:

[Rahne Everson]

Don't forget Phil Jayhan, original producer of Loose Change and now creator of 9/11 Ripple Effect. Together with Deborah Simon, he's the creator of the pod theory, which is featured in Ripple Effect.

Let's Roll 9/11 (http://www.letsroll911.org/), 9/11 Ripple Effect (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6847507648836588010)

Then there's Tom Flocco, reported pal of Jayhan who believes that the government has constantly blocked a thorough investigation into 9/11. He believes that people have been found dead related to alledged secret documents related to 9/11 and talks often of Representative Curt Weldon and his theory that Able Danger identified Mohhamed Atta. He's even stated (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=3617) the Baraba Olson was arrested in Europe four years after she died on Flight 77, a story so blatantly false that other 9/11 conspiracy theorists immediately discreditted it.

Tom Flocco.com (http://tomflocco.com)

And Peter Dale Scott, former english professor at the University of California in Berkeley and poet. He's been critical of US foreign policy since Vietnam, and has written several books on it, the latest being The Road to 9/11: Wealth, Empire and the Future of America. He believes that drug-trafficking and oil interests have fundedand motivates US foreign policy, particularly that the CIA had a hand in the Indonesian Civil War in 1965. He believes that Unocoal wanted to built pipelines in Afghanistan, that Osama bin Laden is on the CIA payroll, and that the real reasons for the invasion there revolved around drug interests. He also editted 9/11 & American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out with David Ray Griffin, a book of conspiracy editorials that include Steven Jones' thermite promoting paper, "Why Indeed Did the World TradeCenter Towers Complete Collapse?"

Here's a link (http://socrates.berkeley.edu/%7Epdscott/q.html) to his writings, in particular the preface (http://socrates.berkeley.edu/%7Epdscott/dowpref.html) to Drugs, Oil, and War: The United States in Afghanistan, Colombia, and Indochina.


I could think of others, like John Kaminski, Daryl Bradford Smith, and Jeff Rense, but they're more affiliated with anti-semtism and beliefs in the vast Zionist conspiracy than 9/11. Then there's John Stadmiller, founder of RBN which gives Webster Tarpley, Kevin Barret, and formerly Alex Jones their radio shows, but really he's just a nut who likes pointing guns at people.

I did find this interesting, a little report (http://iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Handlers.html) on Jayhan, Avery, Kaminski, Flocco, and Karl Schwartz, and how Deborah Simon relates to all of them, by Daryl Bradford Smith. Apparently he thinks she's a handler. :rolleyes: