Terrorstorm?

[scissorhands]

Rather than subject myself to the ordeal of watching it myself, I was wondering if anyone could give a resume of Alexs "evidence" in this film.
If there is already a critique done, then can someone point me to it?
Please dont make me have to watch it.:)

[nicepants]

Rather than subject myself to the ordeal of watching it myself, I was wondering if anyone could give a resume of Alexs "evidence" in this film.
If there is already a critique done, then can someone point me to it?
Please dont make me have to watch it.:)

I've heard alex push this "film" on commercials during his radio show. Hearing this gives me the same feeling inside as when I saw trailers for Ghili.....which I also have not seen. (That's 90 minutes of my life that you'll NEVER GET, BENNIFER!)

[Riser Glen]

I have watched about 3 Alex Jones "films" and one thing I have noticed that not only do I have a poor recollection of them do to their 'Michael-Bay-like' info-dumping and non-sequiturs between presented ideas, but that they also start to mix together in my mind. If you were to ask me about "Terrorstorm," I might start talking about "Police State 2000" (part one in the Police State Trilogy) or "9-11: The Road to Tyranny."

Now mind you, I may have watched 2 of the Alex Jones mind-dumps or all of them, but I really have a poor recollection of them, even though I have watched them fairly recently. So is "Terrorstorm" the one where he talks about the London bombings and whatnot or is that the one where he starts talking about 9/11 and fluoride toothpaste being used to kill people?

[scissorhands]

Apparently some of it was filmed in London and there were some interviews with MI5 officer(s).
I am presuming thats the inimitable David Shayler?
Its supposed to be a history of false flag ops.

[Totovader]

Rather than subject myself to the ordeal of watching it myself, I was wondering if anyone could give a resume of Alexs "evidence" in this film.
If there is already a critique done, then can someone point me to it?
Please dont make me have to watch it.:)

In typical Jones style- he starts out with some fairly mundane and consistent facts, and then begins to pile on crap load after crap load of just straight lies. One after another- bam bam bam.

It's difficult to watch and daunting to debunk. Any serious person who is even slightly skeptical of his claims will find a wealth of information debunking his specific claims, however.

[Par]

I happened to scan through Terrorstorm yesterday (that said, I only managed around two minutes overall), so I can tell you that yes, it is the one that covers 7/7. When I stopped watching, Jones was busy explaining that the probability of a training exercise based around the same tube stations as the actual attack is several squillion-kajillion to one. Presumably he was ignoring the fact that the stations in question were all central, busy and obvious targets for a terrorist attack.

[Hyperviolet]

Ive seen it. The set up goes roughly

A History of False Flags
Reichstag Fire
Operation Ajax
Operation Gladio
Gulf Of Tonkin
USS Liberty (jref thread about that recently)

7/7
Bombers didnt fit the MO. Bought 2 way tickets. ID cards.
Jean Charles De Menezes shot over 10 times.
Netenyahu 'warning'
Harron Rashid Aswad being let out of the country to Pakistan
Terror Drills going on as the same time of attack

9/11
Typical stuff. Youve heard it before
Sheen goes public.


Conclusion
Global Elite are engaging in an information war against the people.
You need to fight back etc etc

[8den]

I happened to scan through Terrorstorm yesterday (that said, I only managed around two minutes overall), so I can tell you that yes, it is the one that covers 7/7. When I stopped watching, Jones was busy explaining that the probability of a training exercise based around the same tube stations as the actual attack is several squillion-kajillion to one. Presumably he was ignoring the fact that the stations in question were all central, busy and obvious targets for a terrorist attack.

It's also not true, I think Peter Power is misquoted, He talks about the same lines, not specific stations. Of the London Underground only three lines do not converage at Kings Cross where the planning exercise took place. These are the Bakerloo Central and Jubilee lines.

Secondly Kings Cross is the site of the infamous fire in the 80s, so it's the only station that will have actual real world statistics as to what was the reaction time of clearing the station, how long before trains were evacuated, particularly in the older deeper lines.

Also as should be pointed out, this was a theoretical exercise with no control over buses or tube trains, or over real world emergency service workers.

Finally, the London Underground engages in this activities several times a year.

As totovader pointed out taking the film point by point and the lies, distortions and dishonest shine on through.

[sesshin]

There is this thread also http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=61178&highlight=terrorstorm

[scissorhands]

Sounds f*****g riveting.:)
Is there any interviews with CIA or MI5 officers in it?
If so, in relation to which particular smoking gun evidence?

[scissorhands]

There is this thread also http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=61178&highlight=terrorstorm

Ah, thanks I should have searched better.

[sesshin]

I tried to watch Terrorstorm but couldn't make it all the way through. I found some of his points interesting, in that I hadn't heard them before, but Alex gets himself so worked up by the end of the video he's going off on a tirade. I picture him in the studio, red-faced and yelling, waving his arms wildly like Hitler at the pulpit. Its very difficult to listen to, let alone take seriously.

[scissorhands]

I tried to watch Terrorstorm but couldn't make it all the way through. I found some of his points interesting, in that I hadn't heard them before, but Alex gets himself so worked up by the end of the video he's going off on a tirade. I picture him in the studio, red-faced and yelling, waving his arms wildly like Hitler at the pulpit. Its very difficult to listen to, let alone take seriously.

Thats exactly what Id imagined he would do and why I dont want to watch it.
A glimpse of him at GZ with his cronies was enough put anyone off.

[Hyperviolet]

Sounds f*****g riveting.:)
Is there any interviews with CIA or MI5 officers in it?
If so, in relation to which particular smoking gun evidence?

He speaks with 2 MI5 agents who alledge a British Intelligence funding of Al Qaeda in a plot against Ghadafi. One also states he believes Israel bombed their own embassy.

[scissorhands]

He speaks with 2 MI5 agents who alledge a British Intelligence funding of Al Qaeda in a plot against Ghadafi. One also states he believes Israel bombed their own embassy.

Thats David Shayler and his partner Annie Machon then.
Thanks thats filled me in, I can go back to debating some idiot on another board now.

[David Wong]

Does anybody know what the copyright laws are on film titles? For instance, if I hypothetically had a heavy metal band, and hypothetically I saw the title of this thread and immediately believed I had found a new name for said band...

[Hyperviolet]

Does anybody know what the copyright laws are on film titles? For instance, if I hypothetically had a heavy metal band, and hypothetically I saw the title of this thread and immediately believed I had found a new name for said band...


I am sure your hypothetical band would not be breaching any copyright law.
The actual name Terrorstorm itself is not copyrighted, i dont believe.

There are some lawyers on this board, they'll be able to clarify if your hypothetical band can use the name.

;)

[Hyperviolet]

Thats David Shayler and his partner Annie Machon then.
Thanks thats filled me in, I can go back to debating some idiot on another board now.


Yep, thats their names.

I'll point out that Shayler believes (or did believe it) in the pod theory and even flirted with NPT.

Dont know if that information is of any use to you.

[scissorhands]

Hypothetically, I would think that terrorstorm would be an excellent name for a heavy metal band.:)

[scissorhands]

Yep, thats their names.

I'll point out that Shayler believes (or did believe it) in the pod theory and even flirted with NPT.

Dont know if that information is of any use to you.

Thanks, Im looking into them at the moment as part of my NWO assignment.
They seem to have run out of stories to sell to newspapers about their deskjobs at MI5 and have latched on to 9/11 conspiracies as some kind of pension fund.

[Gravy]

Yep, thats their names.

I'll point out that Shayler believes (or did believe it) in the pod theory and even flirted with NPT.

Dont know if that information is of any use to you.

Shayler doesn't just flirt with "no planes," he goes all the way (http://www.newstatesman.com/200609110028):

I ask Shayler if it's true he has become a "no planer" - that is, someone who believes that no planes at all were involved in the 9/11 atrocity. Machon looks uncomfortable. "Oh, **** it, I'm just going to say this," he tells her. "Yes, I believe no planes were involved in 9/11." But we all saw with our own eyes the two planes crash into the WTC. "The only explanation is that they were missiles surrounded by holograms made to look like planes," he says. "Watch the footage frame by frame and you will see a cigar-shaped missile hitting the World Trade Center." He must notice that my jaw has dropped. "I know it sounds weird, but this is what I believe."

Guanophrenia!

[Hyperviolet]

Shayler doesn't just flirt with "no planes," he goes all the way (http://www.newstatesman.com/200609110028):



Guanophrenia!

I stand corrected Sir Gravy.

I heard him discussing it on a UK radio station and was not sure if he was fully endorsing the madness.

How did this guy make it into British 'Intelligence'?

[gumboot]

Shayler was a nobody desk clerk at MI5. He was not an agent. Having made assumptions about material he had seen while working at MI5, he later sold these to the media and was prosecuted under the Official Secrets Act.

He also believes the Royal family are a race of reptilian aliens. I wonder why Alex Jones left out that little tidbit.

-Gumboot

[Hyperviolet]

Shayler was a nobody desk clerk at MI5. He was not an agent. Having made assumptions about material he had seen while working at MI5, he later sold these to the media and was prosecuted under the Official Secrets Act.

He also believes the Royal family are a race of reptilian aliens. I wonder why Alex Jones left out that little tidbit.

-Gumboot

He wasnt an agent? I was under the impression he was?

"Resurfacing at MI5, he worked first in C Branch vetting government officials, before moving to tackle counter-subversion and international terrorism."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/143819.stm

I cant find anything of him endorsing Icke's Reptile lunacy.
Though, as a believer of NPT - i am prepared to be corrected.

You got a link for that, Gumboot?

Cheers.

[gumboot]

He wasnt an agent? I was under the impression he was?

"Resurfacing at MI5, he worked first in C Branch vetting government officials, before moving to tackle counter-subversion and international terrorism."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/143819.stm


He was a desk clerk. Not everyone who works for MI5 is an "agent". He's no more an MI5 agent than Sibel Edmonds was an FBI agent.




I cant find anything of him endorsing Icke's Reptile lunacy.
Though, as a believer of NPT - i am prepared to be corrected.

You got a link for that, Gumboot?

Cheers.


Poster-boy of the UK branch of the 9-11 Truth movement is former MI5 agent David Shayler. An acknowledged ‘insider’, he must have seemed a great asset to the fraternity. But at the Big Green Gathering this year, SchNEWS were confronted with the spectacle of a man who appeared to have swallowed and regurgitated the entire works of David “blame the lizards” Icke. No stone was left turned, no subject demystified as Dave told us how aliens have been negotiating with our government and 500 abductees are the only people who’ve got any real idea about all this 9-11 stuff. That includes 7/7 and 11/7 (date of Mumbai bombings by the way) - all evidence of an underground plot by a ‘shadow Zionist secret government’. Amongst other interesting points conjured forth were that the Royal family is descended from multi-dimensional Annunaki lizards (and ‘flaws’ in evolutionary theory prove it!) Riveting though this stuff is, it is, unfortunately, a load of bollocks.

Source (http://www.schnews.org.uk/archive/news559.htm)

-Gumboot

[Hyperviolet]

He was a desk clerk. Not everyone who works for MI5 is an "agent". He's no more an MI5 agent than Sibel Edmonds was an FBI agent.







-Gumboot

Nah i know not everyone working for MI5 is an agent. Its just that i've heard to him being referred to as one
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4362215.stm

That and hearing he dealt with "counter subversion and international terrorism" made me think he was in fact an agent.

But anyway, a believer in the reptile theory? Oh my....

[gumboot]

Nah i know not everyone working for MI5 is an agent. Its just that i've heard to him being referred to as one
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4362215.stm

That and hearing he dealt with "counter subversion and international terrorism" made me think he was in fact an agent.

But anyway, a believer in the reptile theory? Oh my....



He first worked in F-branch, which is counter-subversion, then moved to T-branch (Irish terrorism) and then to G9 (Middle east terrorism) where he headed the Libyan desk.

The issue, I suppose is, what constitutes an "agent"? A key element would be possession of certain executive authority, such as the authority to detain individuals or carry out arrests.

Members of MI5 have no executive authority at all. They collate information and advise the Government based on that information. If action has to be taken, that action is carried out by law enforcement or MI6 - both of whom do possess executive authority.

In addition, while MI5 do process intelligence from abroad (contrary to popular belief), they do not gather that intelligence themselves. This is the responsibility of MI6 and the GCHQ.

MI5 does not have "agents", but they do have "Intelligence Officers". Shayler appears to claim he was an Intelligence Officer, but given his tendency to blow his own trumpet and his apparent insanity, for all we know he could have been a security guard or a receptionist.

-Gumboot

[jon]

Shayler doesn't just flirt with "no planes," he goes all the way (http://www.newstatesman.com/200609110028):


Allegedly, Shayler goes way beyond (http://www.schnews.org.uk/archive/news559.htm) no planes - arguing that the British "Royal family is descended from multi-dimensional Annunaki lizards (and ‘flaws’ in evolutionary theory prove it!)". Shayler does deny saying this, but Schnews stand by their story (http://www.watsonblogs.org/jmendel/2006/10/schnews_on_lizard_aliens.html).

In terms of a critique, there are two half-arsed posts on my blog which go through some of the errors in the film - see here (http://www.watsonblogs.org/jmendel/2006/08/post_3.html) and here (http://www.watsonblogs.org/jmendel/2006/09/alex_jones_terrorstorm_more_de.html). Was planning to develop this further, but never got round to it.

I don't think Alex Jones even knows what fact-checking is: the film's full of stupid, stupid errors (I got fed up with typing before I'd listed all of them).

edited to add: gumboot beat me to posting the reptile thing. I'll leave my post up, as it's still worth noting that Shayler denies saying this, for all it matters...after all, we wouldn't want to be accused of making accusations based on inadequate evidence.