OUR GOD was a BABY when He created Evil. OOPS!

[Greatest I am]

OUR GOD was a BABY when He created Evil. OOPS!
As we go about doing what we do, God is still trying to find a way to erase the error that created Evil.
His best shot so far has been to create Humans, to help dither out a solution to this perplexing problem.
He is stuck at His own, non evolving position until He can return Perfection. He has to do this in a universe that only seems imperfect but cannot be if there is a God at all.
This leaves it to us then to do two things.
Recognize that God cannot or will not help us. He, being a good god, would be doing so if allowed or possible.
Elect ourselves a God on Earth, and proceed to the next phase of our evolutionary journey.
The present US debate of separation of state and church may be going exactly there.
The fact that there are only a few viable Popes may be interesting as well. Especially since Jesus the second name is taken, setting a new trend.
In effect , this is the same as having put God on trial and finding Him lacking.
If the US is to have the God that rules the world Police then The Justice systems of God of the Bible is to rule the world.
This may finally be the birth of the Antichrist, and the birth of a name for the God of the Earth.
Be warned that if this is so then the Justice of the one true God will hurt.
When God gets a growing pain from Baby to Man, it may be interesting if true debate issue’s.
Regards
DL

[Kochanski]

Huh?????

What god? What are you dithering on about?

[KingMerv00]

Is this God of yours omnipotent? If he is, why does he need human help to get rid of evil?

Also, you make no sense.

[Cleon]

Dude, don't bogart the joint!

[Macoy]

The fact that there are only a few viable Popes may be interesting as well.


No, it won't be.

[fuelair]

OUR GOD was a BABY when He created Evil. OOPS!



Isn't that last word supposed to be POOPS! ?

[Darth Rotor]

Elect ourselves a God on Earth, and proceed to the next phase of our evolutionary journey.

The present US debate of separation of state and church may be going exactly there.

The fact that there are only a few viable Popes may be interesting as well. Especially since Jesus the second name is taken, setting a new trend.

In effect, this is the same as having put God on trial and finding Him lacking.

If the US is to have the God that rules the world Police then The Justice systems of God of the Bible is to rule the world.

This may finally be the birth of the Antichrist, and the birth of a name for the God of the Earth.

Be warned that if this is so then the Justice of the one true God will hurt.

DL
Bartender, I'll have one of what he is having.

GIA, when you regain coherence, please let us know.

DR

[Madalch]

GIA, when you regain coherence, please let us know.
How can you expect him to regain something he's never had?

[eir_de_scania]

But if BabyGod created Evil perhaps BabyAntichrist will do a few good things?:boggled:

[slingblade]

I'd like to have a word or two with babygod's mom. She has a bit to answer for.

[l0rca]

...So when it rains, God is drooling on us?

...And why mosques look like giant nipples?

[Hokulele]

Elect ourselves a God on Earth, and proceed to the next phase of our evolutionary journey.


I nominate Cleon!

[skeptifem]

wtf?

[Piscivore]

GOD was a BABY when He created Evil. OOPS!

As a father of two who has personally experienced formula-fueled diaper deposits, this is the most plausible theological hypothesis I've thusfar heard.

[triadboy]

OUR GOD was a BABY when He created Evil. OOPS!
As we go about doing what we do, God is still trying to find a way to erase the error that created Evil.
His best shot so far has been to create Humans, to help dither out a solution to this perplexing problem.
He is stuck at His own, non evolving position until He can return Perfection. He has to do this in a universe that only seems imperfect but cannot be if there is a God at all.
This leaves it to us then to do two things.
Recognize that God cannot or will not help us. He, being a good god, would be doing so if allowed or possible.
Elect ourselves a God on Earth, and proceed to the next phase of our evolutionary journey.
The present US debate of separation of state and church may be going exactly there.
The fact that there are only a few viable Popes may be interesting as well. Especially since Jesus the second name is taken, setting a new trend.
In effect , this is the same as having put God on trial and finding Him lacking.
If the US is to have the God that rules the world Police then The Justice systems of God of the Bible is to rule the world.
This may finally be the birth of the Antichrist, and the birth of a name for the God of the Earth.
Be warned that if this is so then the Justice of the one true God will hurt.
When God gets a growing pain from Baby to Man, it may be interesting if true debate issue’s.
Regards
DL



Is this done with language conversion software? You know, when Coke first went into China they used their slogan, "Coke Adds Life!" - but in translation it came out "Coke Brings Back The Dead!".

This may be what is happening here. Greatest Am I is trying to tell us something, but it's getting lost in the translation software he is using.

Bummer.

[The Great Hairy One]

http://lolcat.com/pics/420kitten.jpg

Cheers,
TGHO

[ksbluesfan]

I guess that means God is a little over 6000 years old now. Do his children rule, or is he still kicking? When God dies, where does he go? Who were his parents? This raises so many questions.

[Miss Anthrope]

:seerrrr:

[Kilgore Trout]

OUR GOD was a BABY when He created Evil. OOPS!
Huh? God is subject to age and time? I don't think you wrote what you thought you wrote.

As we go about doing what we do, God is still trying to find a way to erase the error that created Evil.
His best shot so far has been to create Humans, to help dither out a solution to this perplexing problem.
God is perplexed? And therefore not omniscient? I don't think you wrote what you thought you wrote.

I'll stop now. Trying to read the rest and I think you're having an acid flashback. I think you've induced one in me, as well. Not complaining, just saying. :hypnotize

[Loss Leader]

First of all, I love GIA threads. I Love Them! It's like watching the audition episodes of American Idol. It's like your wife going out for the night and finding out they're showing a Jaws marathon on TBS. It's like watching all of the Greg The Bunny episodes back to back.


OUR GOD was a BABY when He created Evil. OOPS!


The utterly unsubstantiated premise, a classic GIA move. It assumes every single person reading has exactly the same religious upbringing, understanding and beliefs that he does.

As we go about doing what we do, God is still trying to find a way to erase the error that created Evil.


The minor premise: it assumes the truth of the major premise while introducing, like, fourteen new unsubstantiated ideas. This would be the equivalent of Picard deciding the entities are trying to communicate with them rather than eat the ship and then just jumping to figuring out how to get Diana into a coma so she can ask them what the hell they want rather than, you know, exploring any other solution.


His best shot so far has been to create Humans, to help dither out a solution to this perplexing problem. He is stuck at His own, non evolving position until He can return Perfection. He has to do this in a universe that only seems imperfect but cannot be if there is a God at all.


He sticks it! An absolute non-sequitor of a conclusion! Remember when Cleavon Little and Slim Pickens just ran right out of the movie and onto the studio lot in Blazing Saddles? Or when Bruce Willis and Whoopie Goldberg did the exact same thing on Moonlighting? It's just like that!


This leaves it to us then to do two things. Recognize that God cannot or will not help us. He, being a good god, would be doing so if allowed or possible. Elect ourselves a God on Earth, and proceed to the next phase of our evolutionary journey.


The call to action. Every great heroic myth has the call to action. "Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi. You're my only hope."

Okay, GIA, now bring it home with some grade A farm raised grain fed crazy.


The present US debate of separation of state and church may be going exactly there. The fact that there are only a few viable Popes may be interesting as well. Especially since Jesus the second name is taken, setting a new trend. In effect , this is the same as having put God on trial and finding Him lacking. If the US is to have the God that rules the world Police then The Justice systems of God of the Bible is to rule the world. This may finally be the birth of the Antichrist, and the birth of a name for the God of the Earth. Be warned that if this is so then the Justice of the one true God will hurt. When God gets a growing pain from Baby to Man, it may be interesting if true debate issue’s.


He even spelled issues with an apostrophe. Do you have any idea how far off your meds you have to be to start dropping in apostrophes?

Seriously, you guys, this is the best post ever.

[The Great Hairy One]

Whoopi Goldberg? Don't you mean Cybill Shepherd?

;)

Cheers,
TGHO

[Kilgore Trout]

Maybe it's a flashback that I was subjected to? Under the right conditions I get those two mixed up ALL the time.

[Miss Anthrope]

---much brilliance snipped---

Seriously, you guys, this is the best post ever.

No. This was the best post ever. Oh the hot tea in my nostrils! It burns! IT BURNS!

[Zep]

Why is a mouse when it spins? :crazy:

[Loss Leader]

Whoopi Goldberg? Don't you mean Cybill Shepherd?


The episode was "Camille (http://www.tv.com/moonlighting/camille/episode/46825/summary.html)," the second season finale, and it guest starred Whoopie Goldberg.

[Darth Rotor]

Why is a mouse when it spins? :crazy:
The faster the more it turns.

DR

[Greatest I am]

Huh?????

What god? What are you dithering on about?

Read on it will come out.

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

Is this God of yours omnipotent? If he is, why does he need human help to get rid of evil?

Also, you make no sense.

God is justified by man.
Man is justified by God.

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

But if BabyGod created Evil perhaps BabyAntichrist will do a few good things?:boggled:

This is the hope.

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

As a father of two who has personally experienced formula-fueled diaper deposits, this is the most plausible theological hypothesis I've thusfar heard.

Thanks.

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

Is this done with language conversion software? You know, when Coke first went into China they used their slogan, "Coke Adds Life!" - but in translation it came out "Coke Brings Back The Dead!".

This may be what is happening here. Greatest Am I is trying to tell us something, but it's getting lost in the translation software he is using.

Bummer.

Being Franglais does **** my language sometimes.
Being poor at communication does not help either.
Told God I was the wrong choice but He would have nothing on that.

This is the only location where I have this much of a problem though.
I do not know what that means.

Regards
DL

[Giggywig]

Being Franglais does **** my language sometimes.
Being poor at communication does not help either.
Told God I was the wrong choice but He would have nothing on that.

This is the only location where I have this much of a problem though.
I do not know what that means.

Regards
DL
So how does a conversation with God usually go?

[Greatest I am]

Acid has nothing to do with my discourse. Pot now??

You should all know that the more religion oriented sites have little problem with gleaning the message of the post. I'm not sure what that means.

As to presentation I'm still learning. I see many "experts" up here though.

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

So how does a conversation with God usually go?

When He says you are right about something He supplies the logic or evidence.
When He says you are wrong its is conclusive for the same reasons.
Pleasure and pain.

In my case chastisement as well. I was just to good as a non believer.

Regards
DL

[Giggywig]

When He says you are right about something He supplies the logic or evidence.
When He says you are wrong its is conclusive for the same reasons.
Pleasure and pain.

In my case chastisement as well. I was just to good as a non believer.

Regards
DL
Well that's mighty handy. What evidence has God provided?

[alfaniner]

Punk bot.

[Kilgore Trout]

Acid has nothing to do with my discourse. Pot now??
Can I assume with that you've read my reply? If so care to explain the difficulties I've raised? How can God be omniscient and omnipotent while being subject to age and confusion? If age and confusion are a mark of divinity, I really need to tell my grandfather.

You should all know that the more religion oriented sites have little problem with gleaning the message of the post. I'm not sure what that means.
They all know the same weird guy that drives a custom van with a wizard painted on the side? Or perhaps the message they've gleaned is that you are the weird guy that drives a custom van with a wizard painted on the side.

(I've not participated in a Greatest I am discussion before, forgive me if I'm going about this all wrong.. :p )

[mylfmyhnr]

(I've not participated in a Greatest I am discussion before, forgive me if I'm going about this all wrong.. :p )
There is no right or wrong... Just the faint sounds of a conga line in the background and a drunken fool in front of you. You keep telling the drunk he's wrong, you can use any logical discussion you like, and he'll still insist he won the argument:D

[Greatest I am]

Well that's mighty handy. What evidence has God provided?

Remember that this was to me personally.
The most important was that He exists.
The second is that He is Perfect as is everything that is.
It is to us now to recognize this fact.
Many people cant.
Even most believers cannot give God Perfection.
They wait for Him to come back and make things right.
He does not because things are going the way they are supposed to go.

We reproduce quite well.
We learn of good and evil to His satisfaction.
His two main orders for us.

Regards
DL

[Piscivore]

Thanks.

Regards
DL

:D :D :D

Being Franglais does **** my language sometimes.
Being poor at communication does not help either.
Why is it that the people least able to communicate are usually the ones under the impression they have something profound, universal, and important to say?

[Giggywig]

Remember that this was to me personally.
The most important was that He exists.
The second is that He is Perfect as is everything that is.

I don't think these are pieces of evidence as much as they are assertions for which you could present evidence.
It is to us now to recognize this fact.
Many people cant.
Even most believers cannot give God Perfection.
They wait for Him to come back and make things right.
He does not because things are going the way they are supposed to go.

We reproduce quite well.
We learn of good and evil to His satisfaction.
His two main orders for us.

Regards
DL
Ok.

[Piscivore]

The second is that He is Perfect as is everything that is.

...things are going the way they are supposed to go.
So then we don't need to do anything about prostitution or incest or child abuse like you were suggesting in the other thread?

[Hokulele]

As we go about doing what we do, God is still trying to find a way to erase the error that created Evil.

The second is that He is Perfect as is everything that is.


Is it just me, or do these statements seem a little, um, contradictory here?

[Giggywig]

Is it just me, or do these statements seem a little, um, contradictory here?
Well, if you're going to be nitpicky about clear contradictions, yes.

[Greatest I am]

Can I assume with that you've read my reply? If so care to explain the difficulties I've raised? How can God be omniscient and omnipotent while being subject to age and confusion? If age and confusion are a mark of divinity, I really need to tell my grandfather.


They all know the same weird guy that drives a custom van with a wizard painted on the side? Or perhaps the message they've gleaned is that you are the weird guy that drives a custom van with a wizard painted on the side.

(I've not participated in a Greatest I am discussion before, forgive me if I'm going about this all wrong.. :p )

Some times my cynicism comes out behind a veil. I will try to be more succinct.

Omniscient and omnipotence are good words whose true meaning for God are still in question.

Omnipotence speaks to power. I give God full power.

Omniscience speaks to foreknowledge. If God has full foreknowledge then He would likely end His existence due to boredom. I'm sure that He evolves as we do.

I believe Him to be Perfect and that Perfection can only produce Perfection. T say that God goofs would be dumb.

Producing Perfect babies then must allow for these babies to evolve.
If souls are evolving to eventually join the Godhead then It can be said that we help the Godhead evolve.

The Perfection that we see all around us must be a Perfection in perpetual flux. It is to us to track it and work within it.

Regards
DL

[Giggywig]

Some times my cynicism comes out behind a veil. I will try to be more succinct.

Omniscient and omnipotence are good words whose true meaning for God are still in question.

Omnipotence speaks to power. I give God full power.

Omniscience speaks to foreknowledge. If God has full foreknowledge then He would likely end His existence due to boredom. I'm sure that He evolves as we do.

I believe Him to be Perfect and that Perfection can only produce Perfection. T say that God goofs would be dumb.

Producing Perfect babies then must allow for these babies to evolve.
If souls are evolving to eventually join the Godhead then It can be said that we help the Godhead evolve.

The Perfection that we see all around us must be a Perfection in perpetual flux. It is to us to track it and work within it.

Regards
DL

You seem to be using a new definition of perfection. Can perfection be improved upon? Does the Godhead improve by evolving?

[Greatest I am]

So then we don't need to do anything about prostitution or incest or child abuse like you were suggesting in the other thread?

If that were the case I would not be here.
If you think that we have no responsibility to God or man then do nothing.

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

Is it just me, or do these statements seem a little, um, contradictory here?

The first is my poor attempt at sarcasm.

Evil is necessary for our education.
Most do not see the benefit. God does hence His creation of it.

Regards
DL

[Loss Leader]

Omnipotence speaks to power. I give God full power.


I, for one, am getting a very strong vibe from GIA of Overdrawn at the Memory Bank (http://www.agonybooth.com/overdrawn/default.asp?Page=12).


Fingal turns into a golden silhouette of himself [?!?] and screams at the top of his lungs, "I'm interfaaaaaaaaaaaaced!" Geez, do you need a cream for that or something? Back in the Boardroom, the Chairman screams in anger. And me? I haven't got a clue what's going on here. All I know is that... I'm confuuuuuuuuuuuuused!

[Greatest I am]

You seem to be using a new definition of perfection. Can perfection be improved upon? Does the Godhead improve by evolving?

Perfection can evolve.
I think the Godhead can evolve. I don't know if it can improve.
I do think it has a goal otherwise God would not ask anything of us.
He does so it is a logical step to think He would have a reason for asking.

Regards
DL

[Miss Anthrope]

The first is my poor attempt at sarcasm.

Evil is necessary for our education.
Most do not see the benefit. God does hence His creation of it.

Regards
DL

Ok, this is where I have to draw the line.

Evil is necessary for our education?

While a philosophical point might be conceded that we have to see the worst in order to appreciate what is best about life--the notion that a god would create such a thing to "educate" people is appalling. He simply could have made us with better understanding, no?

Brutality, murder, cruelty, slavery, rape, torture, oppression are things I would define as evil. I'm sorry, but I do not wish for one person to die to "educate" me. I do not wish that someone be mutilated, tortured, enslaved, raped or wiped out of existence simply to make anyone wiser.

[Loss Leader]

He does so it is a logical step to think He would have a reason for asking.


You're drowning quite well on your own. Do you have to pull logic down with you?

[Greatest I am]

Ok, this is where I have to draw the line.

Evil is necessary for our education?

While a philosophical point might be conceded that we have to see the worst in order to appreciate what is best about life--the notion that a god would create such a thing to "educate" people is appalling. He simply could have made us with better understanding, no?

Brutality, murder, cruelty, slavery, rape, torture, oppression are things I would define as evil. I'm sorry, but I do not wish for one person to die to "educate" me. I do not wish that someone be mutilated, tortured, enslaved, raped or wiped out of existence simply to make anyone wiser.

I share your sentiment.

We have no choice in the matter.

I've writen that Eve did not fall but leaped to escape the Garden of Eden and save man from a life of ignorance and as little intelligence as animals of the field.

No one has come up with us having a viable life in a garden without the knowledge of good and evil.
No sexual reproduction would be allowed and little conversation because all things that I can think of include good and evil aspects.
Unless you can then evil is a requirement of life.

Thank God He gave it to us.

Regards
DL

[RecoveringYuppy]

Trellane, you need to come home now.

[Kilgore Trout]

[...]
Omniscience speaks to foreknowledge. If God has full foreknowledge then He would likely end His existence due to boredom. I'm sure that He evolves as we do.

I believe Him to be Perfect and that Perfection can only produce Perfection. T say that God goofs would be dumb.
[...]

Cutting to the quick..

A God that is not omniscient would be lacking and therefore imperfect. You say God isn't omniscient, then you say your God is perfect. This is a contradiction. God cannot be both.

[Piscivore]

If that were the case I would not be here.
If you think that we have no responsibility to God or man then do nothing.

Regards
DL

But you just said "things" were "perfect" and "going the way they are supposed to go". Wouldn't trying to change the way things are going be then less perfect and against god?

Maybe it is you that are evil for wanting to "reform" what God has going, hmm? Maybe it wasn't "God" that wants you to deliver your "message".

[triadboy]

I think the Godhead can evolve.

You do understand this is an atheist forum - so all this discussion about what God is like and what special powers He has.....is like arguing about what kind of watch Santa Claus wears.

[Giggywig]

You do understand this is an atheist forum - so all this discussion about what God is like and what special powers He has.....is like arguing about what kind of watch Santa Claus wears.
I hear it's a dive watch. He and Mrs. Claus are avid divers.

[Greatest I am]

Cutting to the quick..

A God that is not omniscient would be lacking and therefore imperfect. You say God isn't omniscient, then you say your God is perfect. This is a contradiction. God cannot be both.

Where is it writen that God is omniscient to begin with and viewing all of Perfection is only possible for God.
I am not backpeddling, I only need more information on omniscience. I can only recall the word once in the Bible and it pertained to some personal knowledge if memory serves.
It is logical though that full knowledge of every thing would make it impossible to evolve or learn and would bore anyone to self destruction.
Full knowledge may play havoc with free will as well. God could know of general patterns as we can for certain conditions but we would be wrong on details.

For example I know that if I place water in my freezer it will freeze but I do not and cannot know which water molecule will be the first to freeze or the shape of the crystal that will start the process.
This is somewhat like what I believe goes on with God.

The uncertainty principle is a part of reality.
God may have created it just for this reason.

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

But you just said "things" were "perfect" and "going the way they are supposed to go". Wouldn't trying to change the way things are going be then less perfect and against god?

Maybe it is you that are evil for wanting to "reform" what God has going, hmm? Maybe it wasn't "God" that wants you to deliver your "message".

There are many maybes in life.
We all follow our bliss and hope to be right.
I have as yet "as far as I know" not advocated anything "evil".
Let me know if I do.

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

You do understand this is an atheist forum - so all this discussion about what God is like and what special powers He has.....is like arguing about what kind of watch Santa Claus wears.

All an atheist is is someone waiting to be convinced.

Regards
DL

[MelBrooksfan]

All an atheist is is someone waiting to be convinced.

Regards
DL

Sometimes. There are quite a few quotes amounting to that if god's personality were really as bad as it sometimes portrayed, they'd choose not to worship such a deity regardless.

[triadboy]

All an atheist is is someone waiting to be convinced.


Do you believe in Zeus? If not, you are an atheist with regards to Zeus.

You don't believe in all those other gods, right? Atheists just believe in one less than you.

[Loss Leader]

All an atheist is is someone waiting to be convinced.



Oh, GIA. Oh, oh dear. "Cry 'Havoc!' and let slip the dogs of war."

[eir_de_scania]

If god was a baby when he created evil...does that mean he was a teen in the Old Testament days? That would explain the tantrums.

How old is he now? Any chance he'll be retiring soon?

[triadboy]

If god was a baby when he created evil...does that mean he was a teen in the Old Testament days? That would explain the tantrums.

How old is he now? Any chance he'll be retiring soon?

He is very old and wears Depends undergarments. He can't hear a thing. When He drives - all you can see is a tuft of hair sticking up.

[Kilgore Trout]

Where is it writen that God is omniscient to begin with and viewing all of Perfection is only possible for God.
I am not backpeddling, I only need more information on omniscience. I can only recall the word once in the Bible and it pertained to some personal knowledge if memory serves.

John 16:29-31

29Then Jesus' disciples said, "Now you are speaking clearly and without figures of speech. 30Now we can see that you know all things and that you do not even need to have anyone ask you questions. This makes us believe that you came from God."
31"You believe at last!"[b] Jesus answered.

It is logical though that full knowledge of every thing would make it impossible to evolve or learn and would bore anyone to self destruction.
Logical for you, perhaps, but to say it is logical of God is to place limitations on God, and therefore imperfection.

Full knowledge may play havoc with free will as well. God could know of general patterns as we can for certain conditions but we would be wrong on details.

God's free will? And just how can you possibly equate our knowledge of general patterns with God's knowledge?

For example I know that if I place water in my freezer it will freeze but I do not and cannot know which water molecule will be the first to freeze or the shape of the crystal that will start the process.
This is somewhat like what I believe goes on with God.

The uncertainty principle is a part of reality.
God may have created it just for this reason.

Regards
DL

The analogy is just as false as your 'general knowledge.' You may not know what molecule will freeze first, but to say God does not is absurd. And for God to create a situation that God does not know the outcome is like saying God can make 1+1=3. A perfect God would have to create a situation in which God was no longer perfect. This does not make sense.

[Miss Anthrope]

I share your sentiment.

We have no choice in the matter.

I've writen that Eve did not fall but leaped to escape the Garden of Eden and save man from a life of ignorance and as little intelligence as animals of the field.

No one has come up with us having a viable life in a garden without the knowledge of good and evil.
No sexual reproduction would be allowed and little conversation because all things that I can think of include good and evil aspects.
Unless you can then evil is a requirement of life.

Thank God He gave it to us.

Regards
DL

:hb:

[Kochanski]

God is justified by man.
Man is justified by God.

Regards
DL

Very circular and very meaningless. If you were going for profound, you missed.

[Piscivore]

I have as yet "as far as I know" not advocated anything "evil".
Let me know if I do.

Regards
DL

Didn't I just?

Let's go slower. Is opposing the will and plan of god evil, or not?

[Greatest I am]

Sometimes. There are quite a few quotes amounting to that if god's personality were really as bad as it sometimes portrayed, they'd choose not to worship such a deity regardless.

At any point in time, if you were to take the Christians in Christianity out who do not really believe, it would leave only a very small core indeed.

In grandaddy's time they just had the best key clubs.

He is portrayed as a looser but few Christians see it???

I try to make him a winner and get; je ne sait quoi.

Regards
DL

[Piscivore]

He is portrayed as a looser but few Christians see it???

Looser than what?

Do you mean he was stoned?

[Greatest I am]

Looser than what?

Do you mean he was stoned?

Loser.
In french we spell it oo.

Regards
DL

[Piscivore]

Loser.
In french we spell it oo.

No, in French you spell it "perdant". No one correctly spells it "looser".

Is opposing the will and plan of god evil, or not?

[Miss Anthrope]

Loser.
In french we spell it oo.

Regards
DL

GIA, I'm starting to question your truthfulness here. This statement, for instance, is not true.

[Greatest I am]

No, in French you spell it "perdant". No one correctly spells it "looser".

Is opposing the will and plan of god evil, or not?

Who has the power to oppose God?
An impossible thing cannot be evil.

Regards
DL

[KingMerv00]

This thread is giving me a contact high.

*Puts on Led Zeppelin*

[Piscivore]

Who has the power to oppose God?
An impossible thing cannot be evil.

Regards
DL

So then since some people are in favour of prostitution, and some people such as yourself are opposed to prostitution, and nothing can oppose the will of god, then it would seem that either god does not care about prostitution- despite what you claim in his name- or else god is impotent to effect his will. Otherwise, one of these contradictory positions would be in opposition to his will and thereby impossible. Which is it?

Of course, there is a third option, which I very much doubt you will consider. :)

[Dorian Gray]

Whoopi Goldberg? Don't you mean Cybill Shepherd?

;)

Cheers,
TGHOLet him go. He's on a roll.

[Greatest I am]

So then since some people are in favour of prostitution, and some people such as yourself are opposed to prostitution, and nothing can oppose the will of god, then it would seem that either god does not care about prostitution- despite what you claim in his name- or else god is impotent to effect his will. Otherwise, one of these contradictory positions would be in opposition to his will and thereby impossible. Which is it?

Of course, there is a third option, which I very much doubt you will consider. :)

What do you think God would want.

Regards
DL

[Piscivore]

What do you think God would want.

What I think god would want is of little consequence, since he has never spoken to me in the manner in which you claim he has spoken to you.

Since some people are in favour of prostitution, and some people such as yourself are opposed to prostitution, and nothing can oppose the will of god, then it would seem that either god does not care about prostitution- despite what you claim in his name- or else god is impotent to effect his will. Otherwise, one of these contradictory positions would be in opposition to his will and thereby impossible. Which is it?

[Greatest I am]

What I think god would want is of little consequence, since he has never spoken to me in the manner in which you claim he has spoken to you.

Since some people are in favour of prostitution, and some people such as yourself are opposed to prostitution, and nothing can oppose the will of god, then it would seem that either god does not care about prostitution- despite what you claim in his name- or else god is impotent to effect his will. Otherwise, one of these contradictory positions would be in opposition to his will and thereby impossible. Which is it?


I make no claim in the name of God. If He has anything He wants to say to you He will.

Many are misunderstanding why I think that prostitution is intrinsically evil much more so than other issues. It like all other things cannot be viewed in a vacuum. To me evil is an adjective much more than a noun.

They also misunderstand when I speak of parents with children in the trade.

Just to make sure you personally understand I will ask a simple question built on an imaginary scenario. You should be able to answer quite easily.

Let us say that you have two children. Twin girls. One is in a profession, doctor, plumber, lawyer, whatever.
Daughter number two is a professional hooker.

Using the services of your one daughter should not pose a problem. She could fix your sink if a plumber or pull a tooth if a dentist.

Would you avail yourself of the services of daughter number two?

Regards
DL

[Kilgore Trout]

That doesn't even consider the idea that regardless of what one may think of prostitution, incest is a totally separate taboo.

But how about you consider these ideas.. Would you see your daughter, the psychiatrist, to help you cope with sexual dysfunction? Would you see your daughter, the proctologist, for treating colon cancer? How about having your daughter, the lawyer, represent you for the charge of pedophilia?

[Loss Leader]

Would you avail yourself of the services of daughter number two?


What is the deal with conflating prostitution with incest?

Do you have some sort of sponsorship where you get ten dollars every time you confuse two completely different issues?

If so: We shouldn't have porn on TV because our children should not be forced to be exposed to violence.

[Piscivore]

I make no claim in the name of God. If He has anything He wants to say to you He will.
I have had a strange experience.I have had a telepathic contact with a mind that I believe was the mind of God... I initially thought that this message was for myself only but latter decided that this applied to all of us... esentially that demographic thinking is what is required for us.
Yes, you do.

Many are misunderstanding why I think that prostitution is intrinsically evil much more so than other issues. It like all other things cannot be viewed in a vacuum. To me evil is an adjective much more than a noun.
That's why I'm asking questions. Would you be so kind as to try answering the one I asked you instead of deflecting with questions about me?

Here it is again: "Since some people are in favour of prostitution, and some people such as yourself are opposed to prostitution, and nothing can oppose the will of god, then it would seem that either god does not care about prostitution- despite what you claim in his name- or else god is impotent to effect his will. Otherwise, one of these contradictory positions would be in opposition to his will and thereby impossible. Which is it? "

They also misunderstand when I speak of parents with children in the trade.
We understand you fine- it is you that fail to comprehend your own error. I'll try to illuminate it for you, but please do not let that distract you from the question at hand.

Just to make sure you personally understand I will ask a simple question built on an imaginary scenario. You should be able to answer quite easily.

Let us say that you have two children. Twin girls. One is in a profession, doctor, plumber, lawyer, whatever.
Daughter number two is a professional hooker.

Using the services of your one daughter should not pose a problem. She could fix your sink if a plumber or pull a tooth if a dentist.

Would you avail yourself of the services of daughter number two?
I do have a daughter, so you can keep your hypothetical children.

I would not avail myself of my daughter's services were she a doctor or dentist, because I'm an unpleasant patient, it would place her in an uncomfortable position of switching authority roles, and I am under the impression it is a violation of professional ethics anyways. I also would not have sex with her if she were a doctor or dentist.

I would not avail myself of my daughter's services as a plumber because frankly she is not mechanically inclined and I usually handle such matters myself. Further, I would not wish to negatively impact her earning potential by using up her time and resources she could direct towards paying customers. I would not have sex with my daughter were she a plumber.

I would not avail myself of my daughter's services were she a lawyer, because as with the doctor and dentist, I think the swapping of authority roles would be awkward. Further, similar to the situation with the plumber, she could better use that time serving customers who will pay her. I still would not have sex with my daughter were she a lawyer.

I would probably let her wait my table in a restaurant, but I would not have sex with her.
I would probably let her bring me a pillow and a bag of peanuts were she a stewardess, but I would not have sex with her.
I would probably buy something from her if she worked in a retail shop, but I would not have sex with her.

I would not avail myself of my daughter's services were she a prostitute- though she is certainly free to pursue such option if she so choose- not because prostitution is "evil" or "wrong" or because I would not ever ever use a prostitute, but because I would not have sex with my daughter under any circumstance. The fact that I would not f[rule 8] my daughter if she were a prostitute is NOT because there is something wrong with prostitution, but because I would not f[rule 8] my daughter. Ever.

Now, please, concentrate, here it is again: "Since some people are in favour of prostitution, and some people such as yourself are opposed to prostitution, and nothing can oppose the will of god, then it would seem that either god does not care about prostitution- despite what you claim in his name- or else god is impotent to effect his will. Otherwise, one of these contradictory positions would be in opposition to his will and thereby impossible. Which is it? "

[Greatest I am]

Now, please, concentrate, here it is again: "Since some people are in favour of prostitution, and some people such as yourself are opposed to prostitution, and nothing can oppose the will of god,

When I speak to God I will ask Him if your statement is true and let Him answer.


then it would seem that either god does not care about prostitution- despite what you claim in his name- or else god is impotent to effect his will. Otherwise, one of these contradictory positions would be in opposition to his will and thereby impossible. Which is it? "

I am pleased that you have confidence in my ability to speak for God. You are asking me to speak for God and I will not.

Regards
DL

[Piscivore]

I am pleased that you have confidence in my ability to speak for God. You are asking me to speak for God and I will not.

You have before. I didn't realise you were no longer in his favour. My sympathies.

So are you saying then that all this blather about prostitution being "evil" is just your own opinion?

[Greatest I am]

You have before. I didn't realise you were no longer in his favour. My sympathies.

So are you saying then that all this blather about prostitution being "evil" is just your own opinion?

Hardly. It has been the prevailing opinion over time.
That's why it is not legal in most countries.

Regards
DL

[Piscivore]

Hardly. It has been the prevailing opinion over time.
That's why it is not legal in most countries.

Regards
DL

But it is not a Divine opinion, am I correct?

[Macoy]

"evil" is a silly word that is used freely by politicians and such who don't want people to think too hard about the real issues.

[Hokulele]

I am pleased that you have confidence in my ability to speak for God. You are asking me to speak for God and I will not.


But you have, plenty. Why stop now?

Being Franglais does **** my language sometimes.
Being poor at communication does not help either.
Told God I was the wrong choice but He would have nothing on that.

This is the only location where I have this much of a problem though.
I do not know what that means.

Regards
DL

When He says you are right about something He supplies the logic or evidence.
When He says you are wrong its is conclusive for the same reasons.
Pleasure and pain.

In my case chastisement as well. I was just to good as a non believer.

Regards
DL

Remember that this was to me personally.
The most important was that He exists.
The second is that He is Perfect as is everything that is.
It is to us now to recognize this fact.
Many people cant.
Even most believers cannot give God Perfection.
They wait for Him to come back and make things right.
He does not because things are going the way they are supposed to go.

We reproduce quite well.
We learn of good and evil to His satisfaction.
His two main orders for us.

Regards
DL


See? Look at all that speaking for god. Is it just that Pisci is asking a hard question, and you are afraid of the answer?

[Greatest I am]

But it is not a Divine opinion, am I correct?

It may be.
Jesus upon meeting Mary Magdalen, told her to go and sin no more.
May have been adultery, I forget, but I think the reasoning would apply.

Are you asking if God would agree with me then yes He likely would.

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

"evil" is a silly word that is used freely by politicians and such who don't want people to think too hard about the real issues.

Politicians would prefer that we not think at all.

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

But you have, plenty. Why stop now?








See? Look at all that speaking for god. Is it just that Pisci is asking a hard question, and you are afraid of the answer?

Indicating what God does is hardly speaking for Him.
What words, other than those spoken to me, have I placed in God's mouth? I offer a personal experience as just that, a personal experience.

Regards
DL

[Loss Leader]

What words, other than those spoken to me, have I placed in God's mouth?


Um ... you just said:

Are you asking if God would agree with me then yes He likely would.


Seriously, it was, like, two posts earlier. You can't remember two posts ago?

Okay, I looked at the time stamp and the time difference between the two posts was nine minutes. You forgot what you said nine minutes before?

GIA, I'm not a doctor. I have no medical training whatsoever. But, I think it would be a good idea if you go lie down and hold a cold compress to your head.


This post's correct use of "lie down" instead of "lay down" is sponsored by the Purdue University Department of Agriculture. Really (http://www.agriculture.purdue.edu/agcomm/ontarget/grammartrap/lay_lie.htm).