Interconnecting relationships between the truthers

[ref]

Here is a chart of the relationships between many well known truthers. Explanations below the chart.


http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/13639466fb2e1e89e5.jpg


On the left, at the core is the Loose Change crew. Killtown is a former well known member of their board and his research was used in the first Loose Change films. Killtown is a no planer, as is Nico Haupt. These two are friends at least on myspace.

On the left are also Ranke (Lyte) and Marquis (Merc). They are Citizen Investigation Team (CIT), also former members and posters on the LC forum. They claim a flyover at Pentagon.

On the right, at the core are two groups, Scholars for Truth (ST) (below) and Scholars for Truth and Justice (STJ) (above).

David Ray Griffin is a member of both these groups. Richard Gage, who is a founder of ae911truth, is also a member of STJ. Richard Gage became a truther, after he got to know the work of David Ray Griffin. On the other hand, Jim Hoffman's work gave Steven Jones the influence to begin his truther research. Steven Jones is also a former member of ST, before their paths separated.

The Loose Change Crew and STJ have close ties. Undoubtedly, every above-mentioned member of STJ (excluding Hoffman) will appear on Loose Change Final Cut, David Ray Griffin even being the fact checker for that film.

Then there are the people in between them all.

Robert Balsamo, who is also a former moderator and poster at LC forum, is in close relationship with the CIT. He too speaks for the flyover at Pentagon. Balsamo's work has also been cited at least by James Fetzer and David Ray Griffin.

William Rodriguez has close ties with Kevin Barrett and has appeared on lectures with him. He also has close ties with the Loose Change Crew, posting on their forum and appearing on their films. There are some rumours of their relationship going sour though, but time will tell. William Rodriguez has also appeared on Alex Jones show.

Alex Jones is the guy who cites everybody. He is the executive producer of Loose Change Final Cut. He interviews and befriends members of both ST and STJ, as well as William Rodriguez. His infowars reporter in New York is Luke Rudkowski. Luke on the other hand is in close ties with Dylan Avery and the Loose Change crew.

So in one way or another, they are all connected. I might have even missed some connections between them all, but even this chart is very telling.

[Alareth]

Yay! Flowcharts make everything better!

Just like bacon.

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ... BACON!

[peteweaver]

I love bacon, its great with a bit of hp sauce.

[uk_dave]

And for extra excitement (:D ) maybe they could be cross referenced with the non 911 'truth' obsessions they share, for example we know the 'truthers' are also into..

NWO/Illuminati etc
Chemtrails
Anti-Tax
Anti-Gun Control
Anti-immigration
Anti-communist
JFK conspiracy
Anti-semitism

.... though if you do that, little alex jones will end up centre stage!

[Alareth]

And for extra excitement (:D ) maybe they could be cross referenced with the non 911 'truth' obsessions they share, for example we know the 'truthers' are also into..

NWO/Illuminati etc
Chemtrails
Anti-Tax
Anti-Gun Control
Anti-immigration
Anti-communist
JFK conspiracy
Anti-semitism

.... though if you do that, little alex jones will end up centre stage!

Alex Jones is the center of the political wooniverse

[ref]

And for extra excitement (:D ) maybe they could be cross referenced with the non 911 'truth' obsessions they share, for example we know the 'truthers' are also into..

NWO/Illuminati etc
Chemtrails
Anti-Tax
Anti-Gun Control
Anti-immigration
Anti-communist
JFK conspiracy
Anti-semitism

.... though if you do that, little alex jones will end up centre stage!

That would really just be like an Alex Jones brain map :D

BTW, does anyone know what got him into this stuff? What influenced him to start his career as a grandfather of all wacky theories.

[uk_dave]

That would really just be like an Alex Jones brain map :D

BTW, does anyone know what got him into this stuff? What influenced him to start his career as a grandfather of all wacky theories.

An open market

[8den]

That would really just be like an Alex Jones brain map :D

BTW, does anyone know what got him into this stuff? What influenced him to start his career as a grandfather of all wacky theories.

He heard thats theres a sucker born every minute, and thought to himself


"Oh! A ever expanding market".

[MaGZ]

This is chart is similar to data mining. Remember ‘Able Danger’ where they discovered Atta was connected to an al-Qaeda cell before 9/11?

[ref]

He heard thats theres a sucker born every minute, and thought to himself


"Oh! A ever expanding market".

Market has been a factor for sure :) I think he still had to have some influences, he didn't make all that up from scratch. Something introduced him to conspiracy world. Well, maybe we'll never now :p

[MaGZ]

That would really just be like an Alex Jones brain map :D

BTW, does anyone know what got him into this stuff? What influenced him to start his career as a grandfather of all wacky theories.

I’m not sure, but I think he credits himself in predicting a major event occurring in which the NWO could usher the country into a police state.

[ref]

I’m not sure, but I think he credits himself in predicting a major event occurring in which the NWO could usher the country into a police state.

He has made dozens of predictions. I talked about the very beginning. Where did he first learn about the NWO and police state stuff, is what I wondered.

[cloudshipsrule]

Can any of the truthers be linked to Kevin Bacon in 6 degrees or less?

[Stellafane]

The truthosphere!

[Arus808]

Can any of the truthers be linked to Kevin Bacon in 6 degrees or less?

seriously? yes

Dylan Avery (and company) to Charlie Sheen; Charlie Sheen to Michael Douglas (Wall Street) ; Douglas to Glen Close (Fatal Attraction) ; Close to John Lithgow (World According to Garp); Lithgow to Kevin Bacon (Footloose).

Only 5 degrees. Yes, I did that from memory; yes, Im a movie geek. That's what happens when you work in a video store for 4 1/2 years; and yes we played the Kevin Bacon game on a weekly, if not daily basis.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

seriously? yes

Dylan Avery (and company) to Charlie Sheen; Charlie Sheen to Michael Douglas (Wall Street) ; Douglas to Glen Close (Fatal Attraction) ; Close to John Lithgow (World According to Garp); Lithgow to Kevin Bacon (Footloose).

On 5 degrees.
Avery to Sheen, Sheen to Estevez, Estevez to Demi Moore (St. Elmo's Fire), Moore to Bacon (A Few Good Men)

[JimBenArm]

Let's see:
Kevin Bacon was in some crappy films. Avery made a crappy film.

How's that?

[ref]

Avery to Sheen, Sheen to Estevez, Estevez to Demi Moore (St. Elmo's Fire), Moore to Bacon (A Few Good Men)

But isn't Sheen also a truther, all we need is

Sheen to Estevez, Estevez to Demi Moore (St. Elmo's Fire), Moore to Bacon (A Few Good Men)

:p

ETA: Unless of course we only speak of the truthers on that chart..

[jaydeehess]

Interconnecting relationships between the truthers

,, and here I thought you were going to show that they all had mothers who were married to first cousins.:D

Alareth writes:

Yay! Flowcharts make everything better!

Just like bacon.

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ... BACON!

and melted cheese, almost everything is better with melted cheese, like bacon with melted cheese:D

[JimBenArm]

,, and here I thought you were going to show that they all had mothers who were married to first cousins.:D



and melted cheese, almost everything is better with melted cheese, like bacon with melted cheese:D
You post this AFTER I had lunch! You did that on purpose! Now I want a bacon cheeseburger, and I can't have one, because I already ate! Well, that, and my cardiologist would smack me...

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

You post this AFTER I had lunch! You did that on purpose! Now I want a bacon cheeseburger, and I can't have one, because I already ate! Well, that, and my cardiologist would smack me...
My BK stacker was quite tasty today. :D

[Alareth]

I’m not sure, but I think he credits himself in predicting a major event occurring in which the NWO could usher the country into a police state.


Who gets more predictions right, Alex Jones or Sylvia Browne?

[Vincent Vega]

What's a matrix with out photos?


http://judicial-inc.biz/Loose_2.jpg
Avery, Rowe, Bermas


http://gammablog.com/gammablablog/im05/05may/david-ray-griffin.JPG
David Ray Griffin

Steven Jones http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/jones/docs/deseretmorningnews_jones.jpg

James Fetzer http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/images/fetzer.jpg

William Rodriguezhttp://www.illuminati-news.com/graphics/RodriguezWilliam(2).jpg

Alex Jones http://www.infowars.com/Images/newouw/alex.jpg

[Vincent Vega]

Judy Wood
http://www.iamthewitness.com/img/ProfJudyWood.jpg

Jim Hoffman
http://www.improbablecollapse.com/screens2/Hoffman.jpg

Barry Zwicker
http://www.9eleven.info/Chicago8.JPG

Webster Tarpley
http://www.apfn.org/APFN/images2/WebsterTarpley.jpg

http://www.9eleven.info/Chicago1.JPG
Webster Tarpley - Alex Jones

Kevin Barrett
http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/news/img/jul06/barrett071006-200.jpg

[tacodaemon]

That would really just be like an Alex Jones brain map :D

BTW, does anyone know what got him into this stuff? What influenced him to start his career as a grandfather of all wacky theories.


If we are to believe his official bio, he's 33 years old right now (yeah, I know, everyone finds it difficult to believe) and first got into the media thing by hosting a cable access show in Austin when he was about 20. I know I believed a lot of stupid things when I was that age, and he was of course in Austin, which is a pretty freaky-deaky place at least by Texas standards. Once he got his start in that mode I can't imagine it being easy for him to switch gears to something else.

[Arus808]

If we are to believe his official bio, he's 33 years old right now (yeah, I know, everyone finds it difficult to believe)

damn whats in the water where he is ? IM turning 33 this YEAR and I dont look anything like he does. HELL I pass for an 18 year old! and I still get CARDED at BARS!

[NickUK]

Can people PLEASE stop posting pictures of Judy Wood?

I got a 3 year old sometimes comes into my computer room. Think of the children!

[Unsecured Coins]

http://www.iamthewitness.com/img/ProfJudyWood.jpg

now I know why the call her Judy Wood.

(recht)

[HyJinX]

Fixed this image for ya...

[Unsecured Coins]

Hahahaha

[jaydeehess]

Can people PLEASE stop posting pictures of Judy Wood?

I got a 3 year old sometimes comes into my computer room. Think of the children!

I'm with you. She is beyond scary and well into creepy. Maybe it was just a bad head, err,,,, hair day.

[Vincent Vega]

I'm with you. She is beyond scary and well into creepy. Maybe it was just a bad head, err,,,, hair day.

Well perhaps a hat would help? :boggled:

http://www.ces.clemson.edu/me/mefaculty/Wood.jpg

[Vincent Vega]

Hahahaha

Now I have Adam Sandler's laugh stuck in my head.

http://www.cavalierdaily.com/.Archives/2000/11/14/aenicky.gif

[HeyLeroy]

This is chart is similar to data mining. Remember ‘Able Danger’ where they discovered Atta was connected to an al-Qaeda cell before 9/11?

Evidence?

seriously? yes

Dylan Avery (and company) to Charlie Sheen; Charlie Sheen to Michael Douglas (Wall Street) ; Douglas to Glen Close (Fatal Attraction) ; Close to John Lithgow (World According to Garp); Lithgow to Kevin Bacon (Footloose).

Only 5 degrees. Yes, I did that from memory; yes, Im a movie geek. That's what happens when you work in a video store for 4 1/2 years; and yes we played the Kevin Bacon game on a weekly, if not daily basis.

Ha! I managed three video stores from '83 to '91. I knew there was another reason to love you.

[Unsecured Coins]

Well perhaps a hat would help? :boggled:

http://www.ces.clemson.edu/me/mefaculty/Wood.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/powers05/180px-The_Goggles_they_do_nothing.gif

[Arus808]

Evidence?



Ha! I managed three video stores from '83 to '91. I knew there was another reason to love you.

I dont even know how i ended up working at a video store. But it Tower Video, so I couldn't complain. But, I was a staunch advocate of the BETA format, and I have over 200 LD's sitting collecting dust...

[ref]

Actually Jim Hoffman looks pretty creepy as well..

[Brainster]

Eric Hufschmid did an earlier version of this following his amazing phone conversation (http://www.erichufschmid.net/Avery-Rowe-Bermas-Hufschmid-phonecall.html) with the Loosers last year.

[SpitfireIX]

Avery to Sheen, Sheen to Estevez, Estevez to Demi Moore (St. Elmo's Fire), Moore to Bacon (A Few Good Men)


Dylan Avery to Rosie O'Donnell (The View), Rosie O'Donnell to Tom Hanks (A League of Their Own), Tom Hanks to Kevin Bacon (Apollo 13).

[PhantomWolf]

Eric Hufschmid did an earlier version of this following his amazing phone conversation (http://www.erichufschmid.net/Avery-Rowe-Bermas-Hufschmid-phonecall.html) with the Loosers last year.

Hufschmid is probably feeling upset that he got left off the top diagram... But then again, perhaps he's still coming up with new Apollo experiments....

[Arus808]

Dylan Avery to Rosie O'Donnell (The View), Rosie O'Donnell to Tom Hanks (A League of Their Own), Tom Hanks to Kevin Bacon (Apollo 13).


eee...no , i can't agree with this connection.... dylan avery hasn't physically met Rosie O'. Wheras Charlie Sheen had his picture taken with the trio of Loosers

[ref]

Eric Hufschmid did an earlier version of this following his amazing phone conversation (http://www.erichufschmid.net/Avery-Rowe-Bermas-Hufschmid-phonecall.html) with the Loosers last year.

I have never even heard of all the people on that list. Maybe I should study more. Or maybe I have better things to do, like carrying fire ants in my pants to Gravy's fire ant nest, or throwing raw eggs and trying to catch them with my eyes.

When it comes to truther pictures, this is perhaps my all time favorite.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/136394670df77661ec.gif

[cloudshipsrule]

Hey, wait a minute. Don't the Kevin Bacon Degrees rules say they have to be involved in an actual film together to be connected? That rules out everyone except Charlie with his voice-over work. Did that ever happen?

[Civilized Worm]

This is all well and good, but it's hardly a venn diagram is it?

[uk_dave]

Some people are never satisfied.

[MaGZ]

Evidence?



You must have missed the Able Danger sensational discovery concerning the connection of Atta to an al-Qaeda cell in New Jersey before 9/11.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Able_Danger

[Civilized Worm]

That's not sensational, this is sensational:

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_164454673210be38a5.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=6399)

[Unsecured Coins]

that is criminal....

[TruthSeeker1234]

Can any of the truthers be linked to Kevin Bacon in 6 degrees or less?

Ace Baker has a Bacon number of 3. Ace Baker was the composer for several John Putch movies, including Pursuit of Happiness, Valerie Flake, and Mojave Phone Booth. John Putch was in Clear and Present Danger (1994) with John Lafayette John Lafayette was in Loverboy (2005) with Kevin Bacon

[TruthSeeker1234]

Actually, 2. Ace Baker is the composer for Mojave Phone Booth which stars Steve Guttenberg. Steve Guttenberg was in Diner (1982) with Kevin Bacon.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

You must have missed the Able Danger sensational discovery concerning the connection of Atta to an al-Qaeda cell in New Jersey before 9/11.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Able_Danger
http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/lolcat_this_is_mah_job.jpg

[SpitfireIX]

eee...no , i can't agree with this connection.... dylan avery hasn't physically met Rosie O'. Wheras Charlie Sheen had his picture taken with the trio of Loosers


If that's the criterion you want to use, yes, but the way the game is played (in my admittedly limited experience) is that every connection has to be between actors who were actually in a film together. We don't know if Charlie Sheen is actually doing the voice-over for Loose Change: The Final Latest Cut Insult, so we have to relax the rules to allow the Avery-Sheen link. Obviously we have to relax them more to allow the Avery-O'Donnell link. Give them some time, though--I'll bet they'll work on some "truther" project together or otherwise meet soon enough.

[SpitfireIX]

That would really just be like an Alex Jones brain map :D



http://www.comedy-zone.net/pictures/images/celebs/celeb005.jpg

[SpitfireIX]

Hufschmid is probably feeling upset that he got left off the top diagram... But then again, perhaps he's still coming up with new Apollo experiments....


Notice how Hufschmid believes that anyone who doesn't blame "the Jews" for the September 11 attacks is a NWO disinformation agent. :tinfoil

[Henry62]

Hi Ref,
I want only to remark that Jones and Griffin are also "researchers" in PFT Group.

Bye

[ref]

Hi Ref,
I want only to remark that Jones and Griffin are also "researchers" in PFT Group.

Bye

Ok, thanks for that info :)

[Alareth]

Notice how Hufschmid believes that anyone who doesn't blame "the Jews" for the September 11 attacks is a NWO disinformation agent. :tinfoil

Really? (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=63926)