Wired news item on Purdue simulation

[grmcdorman]

Wired news has a brief article (http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2007/06/purdue_research.html) on what may be the Purdue simulations discussed in the forums here (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=82940).

They link to a press release (http://news.uns.purdue.edu/x/2007a/070612HoffmannWTC.html) from Purdue dated today, so I'm not sure what's new - perhaps the video?

One of our "favourite" guys, Killtown, shows up in the fifth comment at Wired. All the first five comments, in fact, are troothers. ... sigh.

[Brainster]

I find it interesting that they conclude that the actual weight of the jet fuel was a major factor in the problems that ensued.

[T.A.M.]

mass, momentum...go figure...lol

TAM:)

[grmcdorman]

I find it interesting that they conclude that the actual weight of the jet fuel was a major factor in the problems that ensued.Yeah, as has been pointed out here ad nauseum, water (i.e. a liquid) can be used to cut metal. (That DHMO (http://www.dhmo.org/) is dangerous stuff, eh? :eek: ) It's also known that even compressed air can cause injuries - first three hits from Google:
Canadian Centre for Occupational Health and Safety (http://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/safety_haz/compressed_air.html)
PubMed (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=3794493&dopt=Abstract)
minesafe.org (http://www.minesafe.org/minesafety_tips/107025233821638.html)

Neither is obvious when you only think of the materials at everyday pressures.

[SpitfireIX]

I find it interesting that they conclude that the actual weight of the jet fuel was a major factor in the problems that ensued.


They made the same point in their Pentagon simulation (http://www.purdue.edu/UNS/html4ever/020910.Sozen.Pentagon.html).

[Alareth]

Even the "UL certified the steel" rubbish shows up right away in the comments.

[grmcdorman]

Even the "UL certified the steel" rubbish shows up right away in the comments.Yeah, I didn't bother to really read the comments, other than Killtown caught my eye. It always seems to be the same old, same old..

[Free Thinkr]

Yeah, as has been pointed out here ad nauseum, water (i.e. a liquid) can be used to cut metal. (That DHMO (http://www.dhmo.org/) is dangerous stuff, eh? :eek: ) It's also known that even compressed air can cause injuries - first three hits from Google:
Canadian Centre for Occupational Health and Safety (http://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/safety_haz/compressed_air.html)
PubMed (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=3794493&dopt=Abstract)
minesafe.org (http://www.minesafe.org/minesafety_tips/107025233821638.html)

Neither is obvious when you only think of the materials at everyday pressures.
Indeed. That's why it's so irritating when troothers claim the way something should have reacted is "common sense." Common sense applies in common circumstances.

[grmcdorman]

Indeed. That's why it's so irritating when troothers claim the way something should have reacted is "common sense." Common sense applies in common circumstances."Common sense", in my opinion, is just one's life experience applied to the world. That's why it doesn't work for things outside one's life experience - and why common sense for a Bushman in the Kalahari is quite different than common sense for a Japanese in downtown Tokyo. And, of course, why it doesn't apply for planes flown into buildings at speeds above redline.

[Myriad]

I've been considering what sort of equipment might be needed to launch a large water balloon at 500 miles per hour. Since it's just water, which couldn't possibly hurt anybody (okay, there's also a balloon but that couldn't possibly hurt anybody either), I should have no trouble recruiting truther volunteers to stand in front of it.

If any of them are still reluctant despite the obvious harmlessness of the device, I'll let them stand safely behind a 1/8-inch thick steel plate.

Respectfully,
Myriad

[SpitfireIX]

I've been considering what sort of equipment might be needed to launch a large water balloon at 500 miles per hour. Since it's just water, which couldn't possibly hurt anybody (okay, there's also a balloon but that couldn't possibly hurt anybody either), I should have no trouble recruiting truther volunteers to stand in front of it.

If any of them are still reluctant despite the obvious harmlessness of the device, I'll let them stand safely behind a 1/8-inch thick steel plate.

Respectfully,
Myriad


Sadly, you probably wouldn't have a lot of trouble, due to the astounding ignorance of many people (particularly "truthers").

[pgwenthold]

Some of the comments to that Wired story are just surreal. I love it when they call the video fiction, or a cartoon, or fantasy, or something like that.

Perhaps they can explain why the physics is wrong? That lady that keeps talking about Newton's third law is just whacko.