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arcticpenguin
19th August 2003, 01:34 PM
Penguins attack standard model (http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2003/818/1)
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What a great title for a commentary. What's it about? I don't really understand it, so I'll just quote a few bits.

BATAVIA, ILLINOIS--Will a rogue penguin demolish the Standard Model of particle physics? Scientists at the Lepton Photon 2003 meeting here hope so. Last week, researchers from Japan told startled colleagues that a peculiar type of particle alchemy known as a "penguin" may have revealed holes in the reigning theory.
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To the audience's surprise, KEK collaborator Thomas Browder of the University of Hawaii, Manoa, announced that the latest value of sin 2b was much lower even than BaBar's value. The difference might indicate that undiscovered particles subtly alter the penguin for this kind of B decay, changing the effective value of sin 2b. And this would probably mean that scientists have gotten the first glimpse of a shadowy mirror realm where each particle in the Standard Model has a "supersymmetric" partner; the size of the particle zoo would have to be doubled.

"A lot of people are not just stunned by this, but shocked," says Ikaros Bigi of the University of Notre Dame, Indiana. Before declaring that physics has pushed beyond the Standard Model, however, scientists must collect more B decays to make sure that the effect is real.

NoZed Avenger
19th August 2003, 01:52 PM
Originally posted by arcticpenguin


"A lot of people are not just stunned by this, but shocked," says Ikaros Bigi .



You're right, this IS surprising: Shocked trumps stunned? I always thought stunned showed far more surprise than shocked.

Color me stunned by the news, but not shocked.

NA

Paul C. Anagnostopoulos
19th August 2003, 01:54 PM
And here supersymmetry was supposed to simplify things.

~~ Paul

Hexxenhammer
19th August 2003, 02:46 PM
I didn't understand a frickin' word of that. Someone just tell me if this means time travel is possible.

Dancing David
19th August 2003, 03:52 PM
Time travel will be available for a price and according to sate laws, if you can catch the penguin then you can ask them!

The BaBar threshold, hmm, children's story?

tracer
19th August 2003, 07:32 PM
Originally posted by Dancing David
The BaBar threshold, hmm, children's story?
I always wondered how an Asian elephant managed to get involved in theoretical particle physics.

SquishyDave
19th August 2003, 08:23 PM
Originally posted by tracer

I always wondered how an Asian elephant managed to get involved in theoretical particle physics.
I have always wondered how they rode bikes using only their big flat front feet to somehow manipulate the handle bars.
Don't get me started on how he just decided one day to stand up on his hind legs.
Compared to all that, supersymmetry is easy.

Dorman
20th August 2003, 07:49 AM
The BaBar experiment studies ``B'' mesons. They collide electrons and positrons, which (sometimes) produce a `B' meson and its antiparticle, `Bbar'. That is why the nifty name `BaBar' for the experiment.

Though the new results (if confirmed with more data) will imply new physics beyond the standard model, it does not necessarily mean supersymmetry. There are too many theories already in contention for explaining the results. Sorting through them is going to take time and effort (and money, of course).

Dancing David
20th August 2003, 10:37 AM
Oh darn, it's a b-bar meson, shoot, and I thought that this was like Discover magazine in thier april issue. So Ikaros Biggie is a real name too, oh darn.

How do those elephants put on thier clothes?

Michael Redman
20th August 2003, 11:21 AM
I thought this thread was going to be about this: http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/News/AEDC51165AD1879486256D880016F2A7?OpenDocument&Headline=Flightless+but+feisty

I figured you were giving us a warning, by calling the attack your "standard model".

arcticpenguin
20th August 2003, 12:11 PM
Originally posted by Michael Redman
I thought this thread was going to be about this: http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/News/AEDC51165AD1879486256D880016F2A7?OpenDocument&Headline=Flightless+but+feisty

I figured you were giving us a warning, by calling the attack your "standard model".

Macek attributed the penguins' audacious behavior to the species' fearlessness and lack of intelligence.
Oh yeah? Who's the idiot who couldn't design a decent bird-proof enclosure?