KILLTOWN is Banned from Yet ANOTHER site!

[Mr.Herbert]

ATS Banned Killtown!!!! Bwahhahahaa


A Public Banning Today...

A rare public banning today on ATS.

Normally we don't discuss bannings, but given recent events in our 9/11 Conspiracies forum, it seems appropriate to be open about this one.

After much consideration and discussion among our staff, it is with sincere regret that I announce the termination of ATS membership privileges for "KILLTOWN" This is unfortunate since, until recently, it has often been a benefit for our membership to have direct access to one of the early pioneers of vocal 9/11 conspiracy speculation.

[Unsecured Coins]

whoops

[cloudshipsrule]

:shocked:

[The Doc]

If you post up a half-link to the thread I'll re-link it for you. You need 15 posts to post a full link.

ATS doesn't ban often, so this is pretty interesting looking at it as an ex-ATS member. However, I couldn't care less about Killtown himself lol.

[T.A.M.]

Killtown, being a pioneer of the 9/11 movement, has been suffering the longest from this chronic paranoid state. As a result, his spiralling towards insanity has been occuring for much longer than most, and hence his thought processes, and claims have become more outlandish exponentially as time has passed.

ie. He has lost it...big time.

TAM:)

[jackchit]

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread287158/pg1

[Civilized Worm]

Certainly, this is not the first nor the last bit of insulting criticism of ATS by conspiracy extremists.


Don't like it, don't run a message board for paranoid lunatics.

[CurtC]

Of course, over at the Loose Change Forum, we learn that ATS is a COINTELPRO site (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=10800).

[SkepticGuy]

For those interested, some continued fall-out here:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread287169/pg1

And for those who'd rather not click the link, the important part is this:
Recent activities within the "9/11 Conspiracies" forum have been the catalyst for an increasing trend of tonality and civility issues across many portions of AboveTopSecret.com. For those who are unaware (or don't care), the entire field of "9/11 conspiracies" is undergoing troubling turmoil as "9/11 Truth" groups have devolved into dozens of dissociated "factions" each with their own belief system. These factions are embroiled in an escalating war of incendiary rhetoric, increasingly preposterous theories, and contemptuous accusations in a disastrous competition for attention.


We had to deal with an invasion of angry "no-planers."

[The Doc]

In all honesty, ATS is a pretty respectable board, regardless of the opinions of some of its members (such as the 9/11 conspiracy theorists and the reptilian agenda preachers etc.). I had some good discussions there (not in the 9/11 forum of course, that "discussion" was horrible) regarding politics, aircraft development, breaking news and similar.

I'd post on ATS over LC any day of the week though. As noted by this thread, bans are pretty rare and the forum is well moderated.

[Björn Toulouse]

Of course, over at the Loose Change Forum, we learn that ATS is a COINTELPRO site (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=10800).



I liked the comment that went "ATS is to cointelpro as JREF is to CIA..."

That's a true statement although it could have been described a bazillion other ways.

[The Doc]

I wish the CIA was paying me for this. The NWO offers lousy rates these days.

[Stellafane]

I like the tags for this thread (killtown, loser). Kind of says it all.

[SkepticGuy]

You need to approach the DIA, they have the deepest pockets for disinfo these days... given all the secret black-budget stuff they do. ;)

[Unsecured Coins]

I wish the CIA was paying me for this. The NWO offers lousy rates these days.

That's because you haven't been meeting your "koo-whoa-ta"
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/15107467154e64eb33.jpg

[The Doc]

See, and now they are giving my photo to other employees! :p

ETA:
If I remember correctly, SkepticGuy and the others that run ATS are accused of being CIA, FBI, COINTELPRO, and NSA quite often lol. Doesn't really surprise me that LC has joined the bandwagon. Every now and then a thread would pop up that said "How do we know this website isn't a setup!!!!". It was actually rather amusing.

[gumboot]

Better than Pay-for-View...

-Gumboot

[Dave Rogers]

Of course, over at the Loose Change Forum, we learn that ATS is a COINTELPRO site (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=10800).

I liked Antipodean's Stundie-worthy piece of deduction in that thread.


That piece of engine scrap look's similar to the engine scraps found at the towers.
Somebody must have pinched them from a recycling bin, at the back of the Boeing factory.

Yes, that's the only possible way to explain why debris from one Boeing looks like debris from another Boeing. I'd nominate it for a Stundie but I don't know how to link to LCF.

Dave

[Firestone]

You need to approach the DIA, they have the deepest pockets for disinfo these days... given all the secret black-budget stuff they do. ;)Well, you should know!

I have from a VERY RELIABLE SOURCE (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=10800) that: ... ATS is run by the CIA. The domain is registered to someone just outside Langley, Virginia. I have had weird things happen to my PC after posting on that site a few years back. Including Key loggers and a Trojan horse.
Next time, please register your domain somewhere far away from Langley, OK?

[Foolmewunz]

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=10800

Dave - see if that works. Just copy it and paste it in your post in Teh Stundies thread.

[Horatius]

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=10800

Dave - see if that works. Just copy it and paste it in your post in Teh Stundies thread.



http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=10800&view=findpost&p=13838087

This is a better link, it goes right to that post. There's a "Posted" label at the top of each post that pops up a window with a direct link you can use. Just click on the word "Posted" and it should come up, like when you hit the "link" button on a JREF post.

[T.A.M.]

Will someone PLEASE TELL ME, why I am suppose to be part of the CIA, but I HAVE NOT recieved a single cheque from them yet...what...I don't do a good enough job? I'm Canadian...is that it?

I WANT MY CHEQUE!!!

TAM;)

[Brainache]

Will someone PLEASE TELL ME, why I am suppose to be part of the CIA, but I HAVE NOT recieved a single cheque from them yet...what...I don't do a good enough job? I'm Canadian...is that it?

I WANT MY CHEQUE!!!

TAM;)

I'm not sure what to say to you TAM except: "They won't buy the cow if they can get the milk for free". They're all the same.

[Brainster]

Has anybody ever considered the possibility that the "Truth" movement is getting less insane? Think about it; in order to be a 9-11 Denier in 2001 or 2002, you had to be pretty wiggy. But then as time goes by, the early researchers managed to locate some anomalies that at least were intriguing enough to get people who were slightly less bonkers to get into it. But of course once that happens, the new generation begins to realize that the original researchers (Killtown, Nico Haupt, Holmgren, Web Fairy, etc.) are nuttier than a Blue Diamond warehouse. Time goes by and a still newer generation of Deniers enters the movement, again slightly more sane, and the second generation, the Karl Schwarz, Mike Ruppert, Leo Wanta generation starts to get pushed out as too kooky for the Morgan Reynolds, Jim Fetzer, Steven Jones brigade. But as they move into the positions of power, another group is coming up behind them that sees this latest gang as mostly nutbars...

[Redtail]

Will someone PLEASE TELL ME, why I am suppose to be part of the CIA, but I HAVE NOT recieved a single cheque from them yet...what...I don't do a good enough job? I'm Canadian...is that it?

I WANT MY CHEQUE!!!

TAM;)

:eek: Ohhhhhhh! That's the first time I've read that out loud! Cheque=CHECK and in PAYCHECK!!! I'm sorry TAM you gotta remember most of the support staff is American and we don't get the funny Brit spellings. All of those emails we got from you and we had no idea what you were talking about.;)

[T.A.M.]

Why you stinking yanks. If I do not soon recieve a CHEQUE, I am going to rip up your POTATOE fields, take you out into the HARBOUR and dump you into the ocean in the middle of the NIGHT.

Well, not really, but you get the picture.

TAM;);)

[bonavada]

Why you stinking yanks. If I do not soon recieve a CHEQUE, I am going to rip up your POTATOE fields, take you out into the HARBOUR and dump you into the ocean in the middle of the NIGHT.

Well, not really, but you get the picture.

TAM;);)

get with the programme! we're at the center of a theater of war here.


BV

[Donal]

Will someone PLEASE TELL ME, why I am suppose to be part of the CIA, but I HAVE NOT recieved a single cheque from them yet...what...I don't do a good enough job? I'm Canadian...is that it?

I WANT MY CHEQUE!!!

TAM;)

Another job that can easily be done by a hardworking American gets outsourced. Obviously it was for the cheaper pay arte.

Did you at least get your code book, sun glasses, ear piece and trench coat?

[Newtons Bit]

Will someone PLEASE TELL ME, why I am suppose to be part of the CIA, but I HAVE NOT recieved a single cheque from them yet...what...I don't do a good enough job? I'm Canadian...is that it?

I WANT MY CHEQUE!!!

TAM;)


You work for free, duh. It was part of your community service sentence for the little "misunderstanding" with that 17 year old girl...

[Stellafane]

Has anybody ever considered the possibility that the "Truth" movement is getting less insane? Think about it; in order to be a 9-11 Denier in 2001 or 2002, you had to be pretty wiggy. But then as time goes by, the early researchers managed to locate some anomalies that at least were intriguing enough to get people who were slightly less bonkers to get into it. But of course once that happens, the new generation begins to realize that the original researchers (Killtown, Nico Haupt, Holmgren, Web Fairy, etc.) are nuttier than a Blue Diamond warehouse. Time goes by and a still newer generation of Deniers enters the movement, again slightly more sane, and the second generation, the Karl Schwarz, Mike Ruppert, Leo Wanta generation starts to get pushed out as too kooky for the Morgan Reynolds, Jim Fetzer, Steven Jones brigade. But as they move into the positions of power, another group is coming up behind them that sees this latest gang as mostly nutbars...


The 9/11 CT movement might be growing slightly less insane, but if so, it will mean the eventual demise of the movement, which I believe at its core requires a big dose of insanity to exist. In fact, what appears to be a move towards increased sanity may be nothing more than opportunists attempting to make the 9/11 CT more palatable to mainstream audiences, to increase its potential market appeal. Basically, people like Dylan Avery are picking up pieces of dried feces left behind by the Killtowns of the world, painting it yellow, and trying to palm it off as gold. The occasional intellectually muddled Chuck and Rosie may fall for it, but anyone who really looks into it will soon find...well, crap is crap, after all.

Eventually the market potential (which probably isn't great) will be exhausted, the opportunists will move on, and the veneer will blow away, revealing the tiny inner core of insanity that has fueled the 9/11 CT movement all along. Mark my words, Killtown will still be doing what he's doing long after Dylan Avery has packed up and gone on to whatever anonymous fate awaits him.

[uk_dave]

Has anybody ever considered the possibility that the "Truth" movement is getting less insane? Think about it; in order to be a 9-11 Denier in 2001 or 2002, you had to be pretty wiggy. But then as time goes by, the early researchers managed to locate some anomalies that at least were intriguing enough to get people who were slightly less bonkers to get into it. But of course once that happens, the new generation begins to realize that the original researchers (Killtown, Nico Haupt, Holmgren, Web Fairy, etc.) are nuttier than a Blue Diamond warehouse. Time goes by and a still newer generation of Deniers enters the movement, again slightly more sane, and the second generation, the Karl Schwarz, Mike Ruppert, Leo Wanta generation starts to get pushed out as too kooky for the Morgan Reynolds, Jim Fetzer, Steven Jones brigade. But as they move into the positions of power, another group is coming up behind them that sees this latest gang as mostly nutbars...

Not less insane, but perhaps running out of steam. They try and try and nothing they do makes the slightest difference, so they begin to look around for something else.

One thing I have noticed recently is an increase in the other 'truther' obsessions. Being a 'truther' nowdays is not all about 911. We have 'JFK truthers' , 'NWO truthers' etc etc

Basically, the very paranoia which brought them into the embrace of the 911 'truth' movement is becoming more and more prominent in their posts.

911 (to them) is just a symptom of a bigger disease. In this belief they can conveniently explain away the total lack of interest in 911 displayed by the media and the opposition political parties. THEY'RE ALL IN ON IT!!!111!!!

The window of opportunity for anything productive to happen with regard to 911 is closing as the 2008 US elections draw near. 911 'truth' won't go away, but it is becoming subsumed to the greater 'truth movement' which believes everything bad that happens to the faithful is someone else's fault.

[beachnut]

Has anybody ever considered the possibility that the "Truth" movement is getting less insane? Think about it; in order to be a 9-11 Denier in 2001 or 2002, you had to be pretty wiggy. But then as time goes by, the early researchers managed to locate some anomalies that at least were intriguing enough to get people who were slightly less bonkers to get into it. But of course once that happens, the new generation begins to realize that the original researchers (Killtown, Nico Haupt, Holmgren, Web Fairy, etc.) are nuttier than a Blue Diamond warehouse. Time goes by and a still newer generation of Deniers enters the movement, again slightly more sane, and the second generation, the Karl Schwarz, Mike Ruppert, Leo Wanta generation starts to get pushed out as too kooky for the Morgan Reynolds, Jim Fetzer, Steven Jones brigade. But as they move into the positions of power, another group is coming up behind them that sees this latest gang as mostly nutbars...Moving from being pure nuts, to hearsay nuts, to just talking nuts that sound neat.

[uk_dave]

This is what I love to read....

Jarroyo: (antipodean @ Jun 14 2007, 01:23 AM)
That piece of engine scrap look's similar to the engine scraps found at the towers.
Somebody must have pinched them from a recycling bin, at the back of the Boeing factory.

I'm going to take a wild guess, but maybe, just maybe, it was so because the planes were also similar, hence their parts must also be similar.

:rolleyes:

How many times has a 'truther' posted their absurd fantasies on this forum and we have :rolleyes: ?

And so, when a mod at the LCF encounters the same paranoid delusions it makes for a damned good laugh.

You never know, in five or six years time the realisation that the 'truth' movement is made up of idiots might actually manage to seep into the brain of jarroyo.

[ElMondoHummus]

In all honesty, ATS is a pretty respectable board, regardless of the opinions of some of its members (such as the 9/11 conspiracy theorists and the reptilian agenda preachers etc.).


It is?? :eye-poppi I mean, I don't doubt you, it's just that I've never seen a thread over there that wasn't any less paranoid than anything I've read at, say, Prison Planet, or from the truthers here. Although, I do admit, I've only visited them during 9/11 conspiracy fantasy related research. Huh... I guess when you only visit the alleys, you never get a good impression of the city.


I should read some different threads there some time. I've definitely developed a slanted view of that site, which is something I should reevaluate.

[Dr. Lao]

He is over here:
http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=consp_911&Number=295551715&page=0&view=&sb=&o=∂=all&vc=1#Post295551715 (http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=consp_911&Number=295551715&page=0&view=&sb=&o=&part=all&vc=1#Post295551715)

whining about his ATS banning.

Only the truly nutso of the nutso crowd will still let him post.

The guy cracks me up, king kook!

[boloboffin]

At the liberty forum link, Killtown has labeled his planted engine CT "Not For Commercial Use." Perhaps we have a clue about the real nature of the Avery-Killtown split.

[PhantomWolf]

I think it's quite funny really. The Truthers are fighting over their territory trying to claw as much of it to themselves as they can and leaving the rest to come up with more and more outrageous claims to survive. Instead of working togther to eliminate the weaknesses, their fighting just shows up the cracks more and more as they debunk each others claims.

On the other hand the debunkers stand with a united front and a pretty much a single theory that just gets refined over time as people investigate it further.

It's sort of like going off to battle then sitting on the sidelines watching the enemy cut itself to pieces and only having to whack the strays on the head when they venture to close to our lines.

[boloboffin]

It's sort of like going off to battle then sitting on the sidelines watching the enemy cut itself to pieces and only having to whack the strays on the head when they venture to close to our lines.

Thank Allah we never came up with an actual gay bomb.

[PhantomWolf]

Thank Allah we never came up with an actual gay bomb.

Okay, now you owe me the money for the lobotomy to get THAT image burned out of my brain....

[GwionX]

Sadly, I too was recently banned from ATS. At least it wasn't a <gasp> Public Banning.

I just got the silent cyber-hook for calling some Anarchist Nazoid a "twit" for following me from thread to thread demanding that I answer a question about the pivot momentum of WTC 2 during collapse, regardless what the thread topic was.

I should have taken the TAM approach of dealing with a baiting troll.. i.e. type out a response, wait five minutes, re-read the response then edit BEFORE hitting send...but ya know..Whoops. I sometimes callem' like I see em' -- and a "twit" was he.

I apologise beforehand if this post has deeply offended anyone. :boxedin:

[StoneWT]

Killtown HAS to get himself banned from forums. Every day that goes by without him receiving the fame he desires is a reminder of the paucity of his research. By getting himself banned, he can still pretend that his 'research' :faint: is valid and blame the forum for suppressing it.

Everyone wants to be a General, but no one wants to be a Private and clean out the ****ters.


Edited to remove obscenity; please don't post words that are in violation of your membership agreement.

[Alareth]

I am going to rip up your POTATOE fields


Ah ha! You have reveled your true identity Mr. Quayle.

[T.A.M.]

Sadly, I too was recently banned from ATS. At least it wasn't a <gasp> Public Banning.

I just got the silent cyber-hook for calling some Anarchist Nazoid a "twit" for following me from thread to thread demanding that I answer a question about the pivot momentum of WTC 2 during collapse, regardless what the thread topic was.

I should have taken the TAM approach of dealing with a baiting troll.. i.e. type out a response, wait five minutes, re-read the response then edit BEFORE hitting send...but ya know..Whoops. I sometimes callem' like I see em' -- and a "twit" was he.

I apologise beforehand if this post has deeply offended anyone. :boxedin:

Everyone slips once and a while. I use the approach as often as I can. I tell you, sometimes, it is the fourth edition of a reply that gets sent out. The frustration one can feel with some of these loons, is incredible...

TAM:)

[T.A.M.]

Ah ha! You have reveled your true identity Mr. Quayle.

potatoe, tomatoe, harbour, Arbour, Centre

It could be worse, over in the uk, many will spell Esophagus as Oesophagus, pediatrics, as Paediatrics, etc...lol

here come da uk'ers to tear me a new one...lol

TAM:)

[Civilized Worm]

It's our bloody language!

[uk_dave]

It's our bloody language!

and we know how to use it like what it is supposed to be used like

[SpitfireIX]

It's our bloody language!


"English? Who needs that? I'm never going to England!"

--Homer Simpson

:D

[T.A.M.]

funny you say that spitfire, As I have heard some people in the USA refer to their language as "speaking American"

TAM:)

[firecoins]

I am bilingual. I speak English and American.

By the way, this site is owned by the Jews. Not the CIA. I just got a raise. :)

[gumboot]

And being a colony is no excuse for spelling the English language incorrectly either!

I was once talking to an American who claimed there was proper English and an alternative spelling which was "British English". I gave him a brief run down of the history of Old, Middle, Early Modern, and Modern English.

-Gumboot

[Alareth]

Who was it the other day that pointed out that some of the words Brit's consider odd American slang are actually proper original English words that have fallen out of use in Britain?

[Calcas]

I get more confused about your country every day.

I was watching the US Open golf tournament yesterday. They put up a graphic showing this year had the most foreign born players of all time. Then they showed the "countries" that were most represented.

Leading of was "The United Kingdom." That was followed by Australia, South Africa, and a few others.

Now, Wikipedia tells me that the UK is comprised of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. So, how does that constitute a "country."

And, while Im at it. Is it England or Great Britain? Why do you guys have all these names for yourselves? :D

[Firestone]

And, while Im at it. Is it England or Great Britain? Why do you guys have all these names for yourselves? :DTake cover before Architect reads this! ;)

[SpitfireIX]

funny you say that spitfire, As I have heard some people in the USA refer to their language as "speaking American"

TAM:)


That doesn't surprise me, as the majority of American secondary-school students can't even find America on an unmarked map of the world. :(

[Calcas]

That doesn't surprise me, as the majority of American secondary-school students can't even find America on an unmarked map of the world. :(

Link? That sounds like an urban legend.

And, there is a distinct difference between English spoken in the US vs the UK. While there are plenty of different accents here primarily based on geography, much of what you hear from Hollywood (or California in general) and from national broadcasters could be described as typical "American english."

[Slayhamlet]

I get more confused about your country every day.

I was watching the US Open golf tournament yesterday. They put up a graphic showing this year had the most foreign born players of all time. Then they showed the "countries" that were most represented.

Leading of was "The United Kingdom." That was followed by Australia, South Africa, and a few others.

Now, Wikipedia tells me that the UK is comprised of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. So, how does that constitute a "country."

And, while Im at it. Is it England or Great Britain? Why do you guys have all these names for yourselves? :D

The United Kingdom is a sovereign state, while England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are its constituent countries. The relationship of the UK to its constituent countries can be compared to the former Yugoslavia and its constituent countries (Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Serbia, Macedonia, and the others I can't remember).

I think Great Britain is just the name of the island that includes England, Scotland, and Wales (as opposed to the island of Ireland).

[Slayhamlet]

That doesn't surprise me, as the majority of American secondary-school students can't even find America on an unmarked map of the world. :(

I find that a bit hard to believe. There's no way any but the absolute densest of students from my high school were unable to locate the US on a world map. I suppose it might be true in many under-funded inner city schools, though.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

funny you say that spitfire, As I have heard some people in the USA refer to their language as "speaking American"

TAM:)
Look at it from the 40,000' view; American English and British English are almost parallel to Spanish and Portuguese in the same-yet-different category.