Hypnosis - the "Unusual" effects

[bass-face]

Who can give me any scientifically sound basis behind the effects of what I can only think of calling "instant hypnosis" off the top of my head (no pun intended).

I specifically mean the way that someone can be made to believe they will experience no pain (even if they don't know they've been co-erced) and then, let's say, have a great big needle pushed through their skin. No pain experienced, yeah, I can see that being acieveable. What I wan't to find out is how the brainiac community explains the total absence of any bleeding, even when the hypnotically suggested effect is removed.
If you've ever seen Derren Brown in action, you know what I mean.

Help?

[Jeff Corey]

Originally posted by bass-face
Who can give me any scientifically sound basis behind the effects of what I can only think of calling "instant hypnosis" off the top of my head (no pun intended).

I specifically mean the way that someone can be made to believe they will experience no pain (even if they don't know they've been co-erced) and then, let's say, have a great big needle pushed through their skin. No pain experienced, yeah, I can see that being acieveable. What I wan't to find out is how the brainiac community explains the total absence of any bleeding, even when the hypnotically suggested effect is removed.
If you've ever seen Derren Brown in action, you know what I mean.

Help?
Go to your local magic shop and purchase the Needle Through The Skin trick.
I've done it.

[bass-face]

Go to your local magic shop and purchase the Needle Through The Skin trick.

Not a magic trick sir, I promise you it is genuine. I've seen many of those tricks done by magicians in various guises, but this was definitely not one of those. If you haven't seen D.B. and/or this particular scene, it may be hard to understand my certainty.

Anyway, I have read about some laboratory-condition experiment with red-hot pokers and hypnotised subjects where blisters failed to appear on the exposed skin. That's the effect I mean... not some cheap "parlour trick".

[Jeff Corey]

Originally posted by bass-face
Anyway, I have read about some laboratory-condition experiment with red-hot pokers and hypnotised subjects where blisters failed to appear on the exposed skin. That's the effect I mean... not some cheap "parlour trick".
Cite me one of those studies.
They sound bogus to me.

[GroundStrength]

Be careful about thinking that someone is instantly hypnotized or place in a state of trance. Most of the time it appears that way, but in reality they have been already induced.

Where have you seen Mr. Brown(who is very good) perform?

[Jeff Corey]

Originally posted by bass-face
Anyway, I have read about some laboratory-condition experiment with red-hot pokers and hypnotised subjects where blisters failed to appear on the exposed skin. That's the effect I mean... not some cheap "parlour trick".
And still no response for a request for any documentation.
And journals you buy in the supermarket checkout line don't count.

[uneasy]

Originally posted by bass-face Not a magic trick sir, I promise you it is genuine.
Why can't people at least post a few (at least more than 3) messages and chit chat with a few people here before posting stuff like this. Just a few! Just establish at least a dozen posts that you have more to say than one thing.

It's common courtesy. Otherwise you are just a stranger bursting into a room talking about something you just saw.

[reprise]

Hilgard's experiments in relation to the "hidden observer" document dissociation from pain at a conscious level, while it is in fact being acknowledged subsconsciously (the "automatic writing" experiments were designed to test this phenomenon.

Any of Hilgard's works go into substantial detail about experiments which have been conducted into hypnosis, but I would recommend Hypnosis in the Relief of Pain, Ernest R. Hilgard and Josephine R. Hilgard, William Kaufmann Inc, Los Altos, California, 1975.

[Quinn]

Originally posted by bass-face
Not a magic trick sir, I promise you it is genuine. I've seen many of those tricks done by magicians in various guises, but this was definitely not one of those. If you haven't seen D.B. and/or this particular scene, it may be hard to understand my certainty.

You do understand, don't you, that Derren Brown is a magician? That is to say, an acknowledged liar? A professional purveyor of "cheap parlour tricks"? Granted, it's also (allegedly) true that he has some expertise in hypnosis, but don't let that fool you into thinking he's being honest whenever he mentions the word.

Quinn