(Ed) "Agents" at JREF Forum???

[parky76]

I just got an email from one of our friendly 9-11 Deniars stating that there are indeed...paid government agents at JREF.

I have to ask...where is the freaking proof of such an outrageous charge?

I understand, that it is much easier for 9-11 Deniars to disregard out efforts and hard work by simply brushing us off as agents. If we are agents, then our motives our clear and info may indeed be compromised.

But if we are NOT agents, and we are simply just free thinking loyal Americans who have looked at the evidence and decided that 9-11 was NOT an inside job, well...that really busts the Deniar's bubble doesn't it?

Free thinking...loyal...patriotic...and even sometimes Bush hating Americans....actually thinking that 9-11 was NOT an inside job...is the 9-11 Deniars greatest enemy. They claim to hold the patent on patriotism, on free-thinking, on critical thinking. If other free-thinkers who are not agents, disagree with their theories, well then...the whole ship is sunk.

[R.Mackey]

When the conspiracy set accuses us of being "Agents," they are in fact confirming that their theories are without merit. This is, in effect, the absolute worst form of logical fallacy. Logical proof is found here (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=2323813#post2323813).

[gumboot]

I'm an Agent. And so is my wife.

-Gumboot

[gumboot]

But if we are NOT agents, and we are simply just free thinking loyal Americans who have looked at the evidence and decided that 9-11 was NOT an inside job, well...that really busts the Deniar's bubble doesn't it?

Free thinking...loyal...patriotic...and even sometimes Bush hating Americans....actually thinking that 9-11 was NOT an inside job...is the 9-11 Deniars greatest enemy. They claim to hold the patent on patriotism, on free-thinking, on critical thinking. If other free-thinkers who are not agents, disagree with their theories, well then...the whole ship is sunk.

Ahem?

-Gumboot

[Gravy]

Don't forget that, according to a recent poll, half of the "debunkers" who post here aren't from the U.S. (Edit: except gumboot: his lack of accent betrays the fact that he's not from New Zealand.)

Just ask your email correspondent for evidence. I always do so when they make that claim (as some deniers have done here in the past few days). Nothing shuts up a 9/11 denier faster than being asked for evidence.

[Unsecured Coins]

Ahem?

-Gumboot


You're really american, you just WANT everyone to think you're a NZ'er

[NickUK]

I really really REALLY wish I was a government agent.

[parky76]

I appologoze. There are some courageous folks from Great Britain, Ireland, New Zealand, Australia, etc..who are also at JREF and who speak the truth.

Which makes my point even stronger. Its one thing if Americans question the "9-11 was an inside job" theory...but if people from other countries where anti-Americanism is at an all time high...ALSO dont believe 9-11 was an inside job....then clearly the 9-11 Deniars do not hold the patents on critical thinking and sanity.

The only way 9-11 Deniars can defeat the real forces of truth..is to call them agents or shills. In a true debate...evidence vs. evidence...theory vs. theory..the 9-11 Deniars ALWAYS lose..and they know this.

[CptColumbo]

Or gumboot is a Kiwi who wishes he was an American, like you all do.:)

It's Florida envy.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

I just got an email from one of our friendly 9-11 Deniars stating that there are indeed...paid government agents at JREF.
<snip>
So f-ing what? If they are working from the gov't, saying their arguments are false just because of this is ad hom. If they are from the gov't, assuming they are spreading disinfo is affirming the consequence. Maybe the twoofers should stop making assumptions and should starting learning to think like rational beings before opening their stupid yaps.

[e^n]

I really really REALLY wish I was a government agent.

I have done government work before!

Well, I worked for a local council!

Well, I worked for them for a year, and on work experience!

Well, I worked on their website!

Ok fine I'm not a government agent :(

[Björn Toulouse]

I'm an Agent. And so is my wife.

-Gumboot



Which line do I stand in to get paid? I'm tired of doing this for nothing.

[The Silver Shadow]

Agents? Government money? Heck, I don't even get a government loan to pay tuition...

[parky76]

I wonder how the 9-11 Deniars would react if people called them shills or agents for Al Qaeda, Iran, Hamas, etc?

It would really explain their anti-American attitudes if they were indeed shills or agents for these groups, but clearly there is no evidence to suggest this. And unlike 9-11 Deniars, we don't make accusations without evidence.

[Azure]

I'm an agent.

Seriously.

[Alareth]

I'm an agent.

All agents tell nothing but lies.

That's the absolute truth.

[Gravy]

I once sold expensive electronics to...THE FEDERAL RESERVE!

[Azure]

I'm the best agent!

[Gravy]

I had an email from someone this week who said he didn't find me in my college yearbook, and wanted to know if that was because my name isn't Mark Roberts.

[parky76]

I used to work for the Federal Government. I have a friend who works for the State Dept. and is a former CIA and DOD employee. My uncle worked for the IRS..and my work email ends with .gov.

Am I an agent? No. Just a civil servant.

[JimBenArm]

I was a mole for the military. However, we burrowed under water...

[beachnut]

I'm the best agent!
And where are we going? Or what am I buying?

[The Doc]

I wish I was getting paid for this...

[Foster Zygote]

I'm an agent. Remember all those old stories about Agent Orange? Yep, that was me.

[Mobyseven]

I could happily put myself through college if I was being paid for this, I reckon.

Gravy would be a multi-billionaire.

[slingblade]

I really really REALLY wish I was a government agent.


I really really wish I were being paid. For anything. ;)

[qarnos]

I work for KAOS.

[Zep]

I appologoze. There are some courageous folks from Great Britain, Ireland, New Zealand, Australia, etc..who are also at JREF and who speak the truth.

Which makes my point even stronger. Its one thing if Americans question the "9-11 was an inside job" theory...but if people from other countries where anti-Americanism is at an all time high...ALSO dont believe 9-11 was an inside job....then clearly the 9-11 Deniars do not hold the patents on critical thinking and sanity.

The only way 9-11 Deniars can defeat the real forces of truth..is to call them agents or shills. In a true debate...evidence vs. evidence...theory vs. theory..the 9-11 Deniars ALWAYS lose..and they know this.Correction, FWIW: Anti-neocon Bushism is at an all time high. Americans we like! They give us jazz and rum and Coca-Cola, and nylons for our women!

But seriously, if these denier people have lost the plot entirely. They are barking mad and not worth entering into any further serious discourse with. They have let a cheap trash manga idea turn into an all-consuming religion, and allowed a few low-lifes to surf that wave of notoriety for profit and personal gain. At the expense of the thousands who died on 9-11, including many very brave firefighters, police and servicemen. Humans don't come too much lower than that.

[NeoRicen]

Even if we were all agents that doesn't mean anything, facts are facts no matter who's saying them.

[gumboot]

Correction, FWIW: Anti-neocon Bushism is at an all time high. Americans we like! They give us jazz and rum and Coca-Cola, and nylons for our women!



Actually I disagree. There's an undeniable anti-American sentiment in most countries of the world, and it has increased over the last two decades. The severity and spread varies from country to country, but it's definitely there. Broadly put, the world doesn't like America.

In a way I think it's a byproduct of the end of the Cold War. During the cold war, almost all nations fell generally into the Soviet or the US camp. Those in the US camp, basically saw the USSR bloc as a threat, and thus considered the USA their most likely defender (regardless of their broader opinion of US culture/values). Some were solid allies, like the UK, but others were only really in this camp because they saw the USSR as more of a threat.

With the end of the Cold War, all of those nations that were in the USA camp primarily due to the threat of the USSR quickly saw the USA as a threat. Thus only the hardcore allies remained true allies.

Meanwhile in the west there has been a growing Humanitarian movement taking specific interest in humanitarian disasters, and heavily anti-war. As a result, the USA (by far the country most actively involved in events outside its borders, or alternatively the nation most capable of becoming involved in events outside its borders) is criticised for taking action, for failing to take action, and also for taking the wrong action. Sometimes single events result in all three condemnations (Somalia being a prime example).

Anti-Americanism did not burst into being upon election of George Bush. It has existed for many years. Bush has just made it popular and acceptable.

-Gumboot

[WildCat]

I really really wish I were being paid. For anything. ;)
I hear "naked cleaner" pays well... :D

[AZCat]

I am puzzled why anybody would think the government would fund a "debunking corps" to fight 9/11 conspiracy theories. Previous cases where the government did actually get involved were of an entirely different nature - the "operative", rather than challenging the movement he had infiltrated, would encourage them to engage in activities even more outrageous than the ones originally planned (throwing objects at cops during protests, defacing property, etc). If anyone is a government plant, it would be those within the conspiracy theory community, not those of us on the outside.

[Travis]

Correction, FWIW: Anti-neocon Bushism is at an all time high. Americans we like! They give us jazz and rum and Coca-Cola, and nylons for our women!

So that's where all the nylons went. Here I was blaming the Underpants Gnomes.

[Corsair 115]

I'm an agent. Remember all those old stories about Agent Orange? Yep, that was me.Hey, if we're going to be agents, I want to be Captain Scarlet. Why? Because he was indestructible! (Plus he got to drive those very cool SPVs.)

[Redtail]

Well I do get paid by the state Government (I teach at 2 state Universities)... Oh! I also get a disability check from the feds each month (I fell out of a blackhawk when I was in the Army, nowhere NEAR as bad as it sounds.) so I guess I could be one in a straw grasping lunge.:eek:

ETA: Make that "taught" at 2 state univs. I'm moving to Chicago in July and the commute to Tallahassee FL is a bit much. ;)

[Brainache]

I am puzzled why anybody would think the government would fund a "debunking corps" to fight 9/11 conspiracy theories. Previous cases where the government did actually get involved were of an entirely different nature - the "operative", rather than challenging the movement he had infiltrated, would encourage them to engage in activities even more outrageous than the ones originally planned (throwing objects at cops during protests, defacing property, etc). If anyone is a government plant, it would be those within the conspiracy theory community, not those of us on the outside.

So the real agents are Ace Baker, Killtown, Fetzer and Woods etc?

I'd like to know just which agency would hire them though...

For the record, I used to be an agent, but my bike got a puncture and I couldn't make all the deliveries so I dumped the papers in the bin and quit.

[ARubberChickenWithAPulley]

Hmm. Well, I'm in the Army... and I work in intelligence.

Uh oh... damn I blew my cover. The Illuminati aren't going to be happy when they hear about this.

[LashL]

<snip>The Illuminati aren't going to be happy when they hear about this.

Don't worry. The two lesser-known Masonic groups, the Ignorati and the Obscuri, are really in control ;)

[PhantomWolf]

So the real agents are Ace Baker, Killtown, Fetzer and Woods etc?

You could be onto something there. No sane person could come up with the wierdness they do. Actually the more you think about it the more likely it is. What better way to make people laugh at your opponents than to have people paid to make them look even more stupid than they are. I wonder how much they get paid to do it?

[CFLarsen]

Hey, Unca Sam, where's my money?

Actually I disagree. There's an undeniable anti-American sentiment in most countries of the world, and it has increased over the last two decades. The severity and spread varies from country to country, but it's definitely there. Broadly put, the world doesn't like America.

In a way I think it's a byproduct of the end of the Cold War. During the cold war, almost all nations fell generally into the Soviet or the US camp. Those in the US camp, basically saw the USSR bloc as a threat, and thus considered the USA their most likely defender (regardless of their broader opinion of US culture/values). Some were solid allies, like the UK, but others were only really in this camp because they saw the USSR as more of a threat.

With the end of the Cold War, all of those nations that were in the USA camp primarily due to the threat of the USSR quickly saw the USA as a threat. Thus only the hardcore allies remained true allies.

Meanwhile in the west there has been a growing Humanitarian movement taking specific interest in humanitarian disasters, and heavily anti-war. As a result, the USA (by far the country most actively involved in events outside its borders, or alternatively the nation most capable of becoming involved in events outside its borders) is criticised for taking action, for failing to take action, and also for taking the wrong action. Sometimes single events result in all three condemnations (Somalia being a prime example).

Anti-Americanism did not burst into being upon election of George Bush. It has existed for many years. Bush has just made it popular and acceptable.

While it is true that in some quarters of the world, anti-Americanism has been a staple for some time now, do not think that the current sentiment in most other quarters is anything else than anti-Bush.

Clinton was wildly popular in Europe. It's Bush and what he stands for that we loathe. It's not the Americans - just take a look at how many American products, ranging from burgers, music, movies, cola, and Paris Hilton, you will find in any European country.

[WhiteLion]

This reminds me of WN's (white nationalists) accusing me of being a payed dissimilator of the ADL, employee of Zog or more recently; an Illmuniati-agent.

Obviously this is most frequently asserted when you've backed into a corner.
Much like Alex Jones accusing Mark Roberts of applying "lawyer tactics", heh.

[Zep]

...(I fell out of a blackhawk when I was in the Army, nowhere NEAR as bad as it sounds.)...It was on the ground in its hanger, and you fell asleep in it while on guard?? ;)

Don't worry. The two lesser-known Masonic groups, the Ignorati and the Obscuri, are really in control ;)No, no! It's the ULTRA SEKRIT!! Italian mafiosa, the Tagliatelle, that are running the place.

Oh damn. I spilled the beans. Da Godfardar will be so mad at me...

[Darat]

Look if any of you are agents and getting paid cough some money up to the JREF itself would you so we can drop the adverts? Thanks.

[orphia nay]

Twoofers are so sad. They want to believe there are agents trying to debunk the twoof, because that makes them feel special.

The reality is, in their mother's basement (no offence to mothers) they swallow the uber-alternative media's delusions whole, and thus embody the "sheeple" they rant on about.

Twoofers get their knickers in a frenzy imagining that you have hacked and stalked your way to their post, and they think they must be onto The Truth with their paranoid rants. They create some sort of narcissistic belief that they are living in a movie, and that they are very important to some sort of underground messianic rebel movement.

[CFLarsen]

Look if any of you are agents and getting paid cough some money up to the JREF itself would you so we can drop the adverts? Thanks.

The adverts are really sooper-seekrit subliminal messages from da gubmint....

[The Doc]

Twoofers are so sad. They want to believe there are agents trying to debunk the twoof, because that makes them feel special.

The reality is, in their mother's basement (no offence to mothers) they swallow the uber-alternative media's delusions whole, and thus embody the "sheeple" they rant on about.

Twoofers get their knickers in a frenzy imagining that you have hacked and stalked your way to their post, and they think they must be onto The Truth with their paranoid rants. They create some sort of narcissistic belief that they are living in a movie, and that they are very important to some sort of underground messianic rebel movement.

Well said Orphia! I couldn't agree more.

What makes someone feel more special than having the FBI/CIA give them attention, eh.

In response to NeoRicen on page one, I also agree. Personally, if the government hired agents to debunk 9/11 conspiracy I would simply see it as a way of removing an unwanted/untrue rumor. I can see why people would look upon it suspiciously though.

[Travis]

Hey, Unca Sam, where's my money?



While it is true that in some quarters of the world, anti-Americanism has been a staple for some time now, do not think that the current sentiment in most other quarters is anything else than anti-Bush.

Clinton was wildly popular in Europe. It's Bush and what he stands for that we loathe. It's not the Americans - just take a look at how many American products, ranging from burgers, music, movies, cola, and Paris Hilton, you will find in any European country.

What! You paid for that and didn't just download it free off the internet like I.... er..... loads of other people did?

By the way, judging from the violent mobs at every G8 conference it seems there are a lot of people out there that aren't too happy with so many American products and American culture being available.

[Travis]

Well said Orphia! I couldn't agree more.

What makes someone feel more special than having the FBI/CIA give them attention, eh.

In response to NeoRicen on page one, I also agree. Personally, if the government hired agents to debunk 9/11 conspiracy I would simply see it as a way of removing an unwanted/untrue rumor. I can see why people would look upon it suspiciously though.

NASA was going to commission a book to debunk Apollo hoax claims but pulled the plug in order to avoid creating the illusion that there was any credibility to such claims. For the same reason I don't think the government would actively try to debunk 9/11 conspiracy theories unless a huge percentage of the general population started believing them and political careers were threatened. But that time is not here, despite what Truthers try to assert. They do not have a mainstream public following, they have a bunch of punk kids who think they're Neo fighting for justice from within and crackpots that think the world is run by JARS (Jewish Alien Reptile Satanists) from under Denver International Airport.

[T.A.M.]

Well even though I have a shoe phone, and a car named "Kit", that doesnt mean I am an agent...does it?

Seriously, others are right when they state that this whole "JREF has govt agents" bullshaite, is merely a fantastical creation by the truthers in order to make their bizarre world make sense to them. I mean if we were not agents, and they were just mouthing off about their crap with only other regular people as their opposition, how exciting would that be...where would the danger come from that fuels their sense of importance?

Pathetic, but true...

TAM:)

[Pyrrho]

There are no government agents at JREF. The man you saw in a black suit and sunglasses was your friendly neighborhood Bug Exterminator...Division 6.

[8den]

Clinton was wildly popular in Europe. It's Bush and what he stands for that we loathe. It's not the Americans - just take a look at how many American products, ranging from burgers, music, movies, cola, and Paris Hilton, you will find in any European country.

He's not wrong. Clinton was treated like a freaking rock star when he came to Dublin thousands of people came to hear him talk, twice. When Bush arrived for the EU ascension summit, thousands of people turned up turned up to, explain their issues on a variety of issues not least the "war on terror". Mind you the Irish cops needed to borrow a watercannon from the PSNI, for these well wishers.


Twoofers are sosad. They want to believe there are agents trying to debunk the twoof, because that makes them feel special.

The reality is, in their mother's basement (no offence to mothers) they swallow the uber-alternative media's delusions whole, and thus embody the "sheeple" they rant on about.

Twoofers get their knickers in a frenzy imagining that you have hacked and stalked your way to their post, and they think they must be onto The Truth with their paranoid rants. They create some sort of narcissistic belief that they are living in a movie, and that they are very important to some sort of underground messianic rebel movement.

Nail, meet, head. Spot on as per usual. Truth's accusations of agents is a form of self validation. Its a "I must be on to something, because they're sending people out to lie to me".

Frankly truths need the NWO, otherwise they'd get lonely.

[8den]

Much like Alex Jones accusing Mark Roberts of applying "lawyer tactics", heh.

Lawyer tactics?

What you mean arguing about credible evidence in a rational manner?

[Zep]

Well even though I have a shoe phone, and a car named "Kit", that doesnt mean I am an agent...does it?You read the memo wrong. It should have been a shoe named Kit, and a car-phone.




Or was that a car-kit, and a shoe named Phone... I get so mixed up! :boggled:

[SpitfireIX]

It was on the ground in its hanger, and you fell asleep in it while on guard?? ;)


Doesn't work. In that case, he was injured due to his own misconduct, and no pension. :D Seriously, though, I take it the chopper wasn't very high or very fast when you fell out, Redtail?

[Stellafane]

I'm convinced that 9/11 CTers are in fact government agents. Their mission is to keep skeptics occupied, so we don't apply our formidable intellects and reasoning skills to reveal how incompetent the U.S. government actually is.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Killtown! (Or should I say, Agent Klown??)

[CFLarsen]

What! You paid for that and didn't just download it free off the internet like I.... er..... loads of other people did?

By the way, judging from the violent mobs at every G8 conference it seems there are a lot of people out there that aren't too happy with so many American products and American culture being available.

Ehhhh...no.

The most well-known criticisms center on the assertion that members of G8 are responsible for global issues such as poverty in Africa and developing countries due to debt crisis and unfair trading policy, global warming due to carbon dioxide emission, the AIDS problem due to strict medicine patent policy and other problems that are related to globalization.
Source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-8#Criticism_and_demonstrations)

[Lisa Simpson]

My paychecks come from the Orange County Board of Edumacation, so I guess I'm an agent of the government. Really, it doesn't pay well. I only make $8.15 per hour. California's minimum wage is $7.50. It's a good thing my husband supports me in the manner to which I've become accustomed.

[SpitfireIX]

In response to NeoRicen on page one, I also agree. Personally, if the government hired agents to debunk 9/11 conspiracy I would simply see it as a way of removing an unwanted/untrue rumor. I can see why people would look upon it suspiciously though.


I think the reaction to the book NASA commissioned to debunk the moon-hoax theories is instructive. From an article (http://www.jamesoberg.com/042003lessonsfake_his.html) by James Oberg:

NASA’s official reaction to these and other questions was both clumsy and often counter-productive. On the infamous Fox Television moon hoax program . . . a NASA spokesman named Brian Welch appeared several times to counter the hoaxist arguments. . . . The poor TV impression he gave . . . may have been due to deliberate editing by the producers to make the “NASA guy” look arrogant and contemptuous. But to a large degree it accurately reflected NASA’s institutional attitude to the entire controversy. The disappointing results of participating seemed to strengthen the view within NASA that the best response was no response—to avoid anything that might dignify the charges.

Roger Launius, then the chief of the history office at headquarters, was an exception to NASA’s overall unwillingness to engage the issue. As an amateur space historian and folklorist, I had been discussing with him for years the need for NASA to fulfill its educational outreach charter . . . Launius . . . offered me a sole-source contract to write a monograph that analyzed why such stories seemed to attractive to so many people. . . .

My requests for inputs from various NASA offices and public educational organizations soon reached the ears of news reporters, and some print stories appeared in late October. Although NASA officials were somewhat taken aback by the publicity, they were at first inclined to defend the project on educational grounds.

Then, on Monday, November 4, 2002, the eve of the national elections, ABC’s World News Tonight anchor Peter Jennings chose the subject for his closing story: “Finally this evening, we’re not quite sure what we think about this,” he intoned. “But the space agency is going to spend a few thousand dollars trying to prove to some people that the United States did indeed land men on the moon.”

Jennings described how “NASA had been so rattled” it “hired” somebody “to write a book refuting the conspiracy theorists.” He closed with a misquotation: “A professor of astronomy in California said he thought it was beneath NASA’s dignity to give these Twinkies the time of day. Now, that was his phrase, by the way. We simply wonder about NASA.”

Jennings was referring to Philip Plait, an educator (not a professor) in California who runs the Bad Astronomy Web site that discusses many mythical aspects of outer space. What Plait actually had said was that he felt it was proper for NASA to respond, but that it did seem “beneath their dignity” to be forced to do it. Contrary to Jennings’s account, Plait fully supported the monograph contract.

But that TV insult did it as far as NASA management was concerned. Their dignity called into question, and fearing angry telephone calls from congressmen returning to Washington after the election, they decided to revoke the contract. They paid for work done to date and washed their hands of the project.


I believe the government's paying for September 11 debunking might be similarly questioned, or even ridiculed.

As a side note, I have to say that I'm extremely surprised that Peter Jennings would have attacked the project, considering his excellent work (http://www.abcnewsstore.com/store/index.cfm?fuseaction=customer.product&product_code=S031120%2001&category_code=HOME) in debunking JFK conspiracism. Possibly Jennings felt that because so relatively few people doubt the authenticity of the moon landings, ignoring the issue was the best strategy.

[pomeroo]

Don't get me started on where my money is going. It makes me sick just to think about it. Stupid masked clown and his goddam Italian sports car...

[negativ]

I am puzzled why anybody would think the government would fund a "debunking corps" to fight 9/11 conspiracy theories on the internet.

FTFY.

Isn't it obvious to you that a global consortium of murderous Moloch-worshipping neo-con crypto-zionists who operate orbital death rays and have the means to falsify the entire world's video archive of the 9/11 attacks would choose an internet forum attached to the website of a magician known chiefly for exposing fraudulent faith healers and psychics as the front line of defense in the war against The Truth™?


If anyone is a government plant, it would be those within the conspiracy theory community, not those of us on the outside.

Just ask any Truther. Anyone who subscribes to a different denomination of The Truth™ than the one being asked is most likely a planted "disinfo" agent.

[negativ]

It's a good thing my husband supports me in the manner to which I've become accustomed.

Now THAT's a sinister veiled threat if I've ever heard one. Vito Corleone would be proud.

Besides, we all know that JREF pays you under the table as a moderator... or should I say, consiglieri?


ETA:
As a side note, I have to say that I'm extremely surprised that Peter Jennings would have attacked the project, considering his excellent work (http://www.abcnewsstore.com/store/index.cfm?fuseaction=customer.product&product_code=S031120%2001&category_code=HOME) in debunking JFK conspiracism.

And where's Pete today, eh? That's right.

[Darat]

Now THAT's a sinister veiled threat if I've ever heard one. Vito Corleone would be proud.

...snip..

Nah he's just lucky she likes noodles and 90s fashion!

[CFLarsen]

1890s...? ;)

[T.A.M.]

I tell you one thing, if I am being hypnotized into acting as an NWO disinfo agent, than I want a better assignment than scewing around with the minds of a bunch of teen and twenty something basement hermits.

Bring on the real assignments...please...or dehypnotize me, and let me live...live I say.

TAM;)

[DGM]

Why on earth would the feds want to stop the "truth movement". Are they not collecting tax revenues from DVD,T-shirt and other sales. The movement has little or no public exposure and is of no threat to them. Why don't truthers understand this?

[Swing Dangler]

I tell you one thing, if I am being hypnotized into acting as an NWO disinfo agent, than I want a better assignment than scewing around with the minds of a bunch of teen and twenty something basement hermits.

Bring on the real assignments...please...or dehypnotize me, and let me live...live I say.

TAM;)

Who was your Hypnotizer? As a NWO double agent, I think they got to me through Maddame Cleo on TV...something about de-interlaced signals and mind control.

[Myriad]

By the terms of the new NWO collective bargaining agreement, I can become a free agent next season.

That means if the truthers can come up with enough cash, I'll switch to their side. (The rumored deal in the works to trade me and Chipmunk Stew for Urich, Ranke, and two draft picks apparently fell through.)

Respectfully,
Myriad

[Alareth]

Look if any of you are agents and getting paid cough some money up to the JREF itself would you so we can drop the adverts? Thanks.

What ads?

[WhiteLion]

Lawyer tactics?

What you mean arguing about credible evidence in a rational manner?

Yes it simply must be that, as Mark Roberts repeated his questions for specifics and evidence from Alex Jones which made ol Jonesy throw one of his trademark fits.

As a curiosa, I'm currently debating a fan of Alex Jones on another forum, however were mostly talking about the Bohemian Grove thingy. I must have said, somewhere, that Jones is either doing such poor and witch-panic exposures due to his mental instability, his avenue of making a few bucks off of gullible suckers or both.

The fan replied with the following;
"if, as you keep alleging, Alex Jones does what he does just for money, why does he put his videos on the internet for people to watch free of charge, like this? "

:D

[JimBenArm]

Look if any of you are agents and getting paid cough some money up to the JREF itself would you so we can drop the adverts? Thanks.
I thought the ads were disinfo, to keep the psycho psychics in business, so we would have someone to go after, to keep the business going.

At least that's what Darat told me at the last NWO meeting...

[Azure]

I am the agent in charge of....well, sorry...I can't say.

Seriously though, I can't believe people believe this crap. Me thinks someone has watched too many movies.

[Alareth]

Where are these ads you people are babbling about?

[Mr. Skinny]

I've been reviewing test plans for the newest generation of unmanned aerial vehicles we've been using to fly autonomously from one waypoint to the next, snapping low-light photos of truthers homes.

You should see the photo we got of Ace Baker taking a piss in the shrubbery next to his pool!

My work is soooo rewarding.

We hope to have the capability to peer into houses using NMR technology in a few months, provided the UAV can support the payload.

[qarnos]

I've been reviewing test plans for the newest generation of unmanned aerial vehicles we've been using to fly autonomously from one waypoint to the next, snapping low-light photos of truthers homes.

You should see the photo we got of Ace Baker taking a piss in the shrubbery next to his pool!

My work is soooo rewarding.

We hope to have the capability to peer into houses using NMR technology in a few months, provided the UAV can support the payload.

I've seen some of your work on the UAV and it is incredible, to say the least.

I would never have guessed it wasn't a real dragon fly.

[CFLarsen]

You should see the photo we got of Ace Baker taking a piss in the shrubbery next to his pool!

Evidence?

[Swing Dangler]

By the terms of the new NWO collective bargaining agreement, I can become a free agent next season.

That means if the truthers can come up with enough cash, I'll switch to their side. (The rumored deal in the works to trade me and Chipmunk Stew for Urich, Ranke, and two draft picks apparently fell through.)

Respectfully,
Myriad

Hey who is your agent? I mean barging agent for your contrat?

[Dave_46]

Well even though I have a shoe phone, and a car named "Kit", that doesnt mean I am an agent...does it?

<snip>

Off Topic

I was in a team that won a pub quiz the other week. One of the questions was to name the Knight Rider car. There was a three way tie, and we won because we spelled it correctly, KITT.

Dave

[Alareth]

You people are delusional.

[Alareth]

Off Topic

I was in a team that won a pub quiz the other week. One of the questions was to name the Knight Rider car. There was a three way tie, and we won because we spelled it correctly, KITT.

Dave

You may have spelled it correctly, but do you know it stands for?

Knight Industries Two Thousand

[firecoins]

I'm an agent. Remember all those old stories about Agent Orange? Yep, that was me.
why am I always Agent Pink?

I once took a tour of the FBI HQ. I saw the West Point Footbal team play football once at West Point.

[Mr. Skinny]

Evidence?
Sorry, Claus, it's FOUO/TS/NOFORN/SCI/NATO/NWO stuff.

I probably shouldn't have mentioned it in the first place.

[Foolmewunz]

Where are these ads you people are babbling about?

There's a thread in Forum Management. http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=84758

If you don't log in, there are ads now running in the Forum. Some are for psychics.

It's a test that is not getting many happy campers.

[tacodaemon]

Don't get me started on where my money is going. It makes me sick just to think about it. Stupid masked clown and his goddam Italian sports car...


The NWO hooked Gravy up with one of those Enzo Ferraris too, but more importantly they built a secret entire new branch of the New York subway just for him, running on his own schedule with no waiting or sharing cars. You should see the crystal chandeliers in the stations and hear the white-gloved pianists performing on their Steinway grands.

[T.A.M.]

Well listen here, I am a Canadian NWO Disinfo agent, apparently, so all I really want is a two-four of labatts, and a 60" Flat Screen to watch Don Cherry and Hockey Night In Canada...now is that too much to ask of our NWO overlords?

TAM;)

[pomeroo]

I've been reviewing test plans for the newest generation of unmanned aerial vehicles we've been using to fly autonomously from one waypoint to the next, snapping low-light photos of truthers homes.

You should see the photo we got of Ace Baker taking a piss in the shrubbery next to his pool!





You should see what I photographed him doing IN his pool!



My work is soooo rewarding.



I find it revolting at times.



We hope to have the capability to peer into houses using NMR technology in a few months, provided the UAV can support the payload.


In the immortal words of Sam Goldwyn: Include me out.

[pomeroo]

The NWO hooked Gravy up with one of those Enzo Ferraris too, but more importantly they built a secret entire new branch of the New York subway just for him, running on his own schedule with no waiting or sharing cars. You should see the crystal chandeliers in the stations and hear the white-gloved pianists performing on their Steinway grands.



Yeah, I complain that I haven't seen dollar one yet and what do they tell me? Don't worry--it's just a glitch. The Mexican wrestler "will be in touch." Sure he will.

[T.A.M.]

Well let me know when "El Bandito" decides to come up north with "The Cheques", so I can get my share of pay for all this alleged "Disinfo" work I am doing.

TAM:)

[Hokulele]

I am not an agent, merely the NWO office manager in charge of links, searches, payroll, and expenses. T.A.M., you will receive your back pay once we finish settling last quarter's expenses. We are still missing the explanation of the "bikini wax" item from March.

[UnrepentantSinner]

I'm surprised we don't have any real estate agents who are missing out on an opportinity to make a joke and get some free advertising.

NASA was going to commission a book to debunk Apollo hoax claims but pulled the plug in order to avoid creating the illusion that there was any credibility to such claims. For the same reason I don't think the government would actively try to debunk 9/11 conspiracy theories unless a huge percentage of the general population started believing them and political careers were threatened. But that time is not here, despite what Truthers try to assert. They do not have a mainstream public following, they have a bunch of punk kids who think they're Neo fighting for justice from within and crackpots that think the world is run by JARS (Jewish Alien Reptile Satanists) from under Denver International Airport.

There is some history of books discussing contentious issues being produced by the government. The 9/11 Report and the book about Roswell are two I can think of off hand. I don't see why a 9/11 report specifically addressing and debunking toofer claims would be that out of character.

[Azure]

Well listen here, I am a Canadian NWO Disinfo agent, apparently, so all I really want is a two-four of labatts, and a 60" Flat Screen to watch Don Cherry and Hockey Night In Canada...now is that too much to ask of our NWO overlords?

TAM;)

Oh cool.

Can I come?

;)

[CFLarsen]

Sorry, Claus, it's FOUO/TS/NOFORN/SCI/NATO/NWO stuff.

I probably shouldn't have mentioned it in the first place.

Since I'm also deeply involved, I of course have to abstain from pressing for evidence.

It's all a smokescreen. Really.

[LashL]

Well let me know when "El Bandito" decides to come up north with "The Cheques", so I can get my share of pay for all this alleged "Disinfo" work I am doing.

TAM:)

It must be an east coast glitch, TAM. The NWO cheques seem to always arrive on time here in southern Ontario...bikini wax expenses and all.

[CptColumbo]

Since they are sending out "cheques" it is obviously an English NWO.

We all know the Canucks couldn't pull it off.:)

[AZCat]

So the real agents are Ace Baker, Killtown, Fetzer and Woods etc?

I'd like to know just which agency would hire them though...

Yep, they're the ones most likely to be government agents. There's probably a separate agency set up just to find the "special" people to infiltrate and derail the "truth movement".

What would you call a conspiracy theory about a government conspiracy within the 9/11 conspiracy community? Conspiracy squared?

[Foolmewunz]

<snip>

What would you call a conspiracy theory about a government conspiracy within the 9/11 conspiracy community? Conspiracy squared?

A weekday?

That's their regular working day in the CT world!

[Travis]

Ehhhh...no.

Stop ruining my blathering tirades with these "fact" things.;)

[Travis]

Yep, they're the ones most likely to be government agents. There's probably a separate agency set up just to find the "special" people to infiltrate and derail the "truth movement".

What would you call a conspiracy theory about a government conspiracy within the 9/11 conspiracy community? Conspiracy squared?

If we conspire to infiltrate the government conspiracy to infiltrate the 9/11 conspiracy movement we end up with a "Conspiracy Cubed." THEN if Iceland infiltrates our conspiracy to infiltrate the government conspiracy to infiltrate the 9/11 conspiracy movement it becomes a "Conspiracy Ridiculous."

[zeppy_gorrila]

The reason I haven't posted so long is because of my internal struggle regarding this matter. I'm coming out guys. I'm an agent too. Please put this post on LC recut recut recut semifinal edition.

[UnrepentantSinner]

I can't believe I'm asking this but I'm too lazy to dig around and find out for myself. What the hell does the (Ed)/[Ed] stand for in thread titles?

[Darat]

(Ed)[Ed] - means the thread title has been edited. Many a moon ago some Members complained about the Mod Team editing titles (even at a Member's request) without making it apparent the title had been edited.

[Zep]

If we conspire to infiltrate the government conspiracy to infiltrate the 9/11 conspiracy movement we end up with a "Conspiracy Cubed." THEN if Iceland infiltrates our conspiracy to infiltrate the government conspiracy to infiltrate the 9/11 conspiracy movement it becomes a "Conspiracy Ridiculous."O.
K.

Let's try this mathematically...

govt. conspiracy to infiltrate( govt. conspiracy to infiltrate( govt. conspiracy to infiltrate( 9/11 Troofer Twoof movement ))) = Iceland?

:eye-poppi

[Travis]

O.
K.

Let's try this mathematically...

govt. conspiracy to infiltrate( govt. conspiracy to infiltrate( govt. conspiracy to infiltrate( 9/11 Troofer Twoof movement ))) = Iceland?

:eye-poppi

Nobody ever suspects Iceland, that's why they're perfect!:D

[JonnyFive]

Hey, some new guy just brought my insurance fraud thread back from the land of death to accuse me of being a "plant." I feel special now... I must really be getting to him/her.

Apparently, I "post too much" for someone who is actually working. Because, you know, my job (which requires me to be on a computer all day) is never slow, and we never have a break in the constant, unrelenting insurance action.

Man, I wish I was a government plant getting paid my current salary to write rants about insurance from home. I wouldn't even put on pants!

[Travis]

Hey, some new guy just brought my insurance fraud thread back from the land of death to accuse me of being a "plant." I feel special now... I must really be getting to him/her.

Apparently, I "post too much" for someone who is actually working. Because, you know, my job (which requires me to be on a computer all day) is never slow, and we never have a break in the constant, unrelenting insurance action.

Man, I wish I was a government plant getting paid my current salary to write rants about insurance from home. I wouldn't even put on pants!

Last office job I had was so lax you could show up at work in your pajamas and no one would care. They drew the line at showing up in nothing but boxers and gardening clogs. Of course I found that out the hard way!

[gumboot]

Hey, some new guy just brought my insurance fraud thread back from the land of death to accuse me of being a "plant." I feel special now... I must really be getting to him/her.

Apparently, I "post too much" for someone who is actually working. Because, you know, my job (which requires me to be on a computer all day) is never slow, and we never have a break in the constant, unrelenting insurance action.

Man, I wish I was a government plant getting paid my current salary to write rants about insurance from home. I wouldn't even put on pants!



I just claim it's because I'm a fast typer. This post, for example, took me 36 seconds from start to finish.

-Gumboot

[JonnyFive]

Last office job I had was so lax you could show up at work in your pajamas and no one would care. They drew the line at showing up in nothing but boxers and gardening clogs. Of course I found that out the hard way!

Well, the line of insurance I work with tends to go in quarterly cycles. Near the end of the quarter when all the renewal rates come in, brokers are scrambling for quotes and we're constantly busy. In the middle of the quarter, things are pretty slow. So I post while I do whatever routine work I have sitting on my desk. I have a study to run or some figures to work on... well, screw you guys, I like getting paid. ;)

Obviously, work supercedes everything else when I'm at work, but that doesn't mean I have zero down time.

I just claim it's because I'm a fast typer. This post, for example, took me 36 seconds from start to finish.

I'm more of a "let the post sit in the background until you have a minute to finish it" type of work poster, myself. :)

[Hourglassmemory]

I certainly am an Agent. Being 17 enables me to check how the brainwashing is doing on the next generation.

[HeyLeroy]

This entire thread is disinfo. :rolleyes:

why am I always Agent Pink?


You're not Agent Poiple. Some guy on some other job is Agent Poiple. You're Agent Pink!

[zeppy_gorrila]

This entire thread is disinfo. :rolleyes:
AGENT

[sackett]

Agents! Yer all a buncha pikers. I've handled hundreds of millions of U.S. government research dollars. National "Science" Foundation, Centers for DISEASE Control (hah!), Army, Navy, Air Force (are y' shakin' in yer boots yet?), NASA (smirk!), hell even the U.S. Geological Survey (keep that one quiet, we don't want edge over here), I've done business with 'em all!

Oh yes, Dept. of Education too. Man, the stunts those boys get up to!

So send the Trootherz around sometime. Me & the fellahs would like to talk to 'em.