Huge pedophile ring busted

[Katana]

LONDON - Police shattered a global Internet pedophile ring, rescuing 31 children and rounding up more than 700 suspects worldwide, British authorities said Monday.

Some 200 suspects are based in Britain, the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Center said. The ring was traced to an Internet chat room called “Kids the Light of Our Lives” that featured images of children being subjected to horrific sexual abuse.

The investigation involves agencies from 35 countries and lasted 10 months.

Link (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19288057/)

While there is cause to celebrate the fact that it was broken up, that this goes on at all (and is likely only one of many such operations) is so disheartening.

:(

[TobiasTheViking]

someone hold me back before i do something i'll regret....

grrrr
:mad:

[frank462]

Once these people(?) are convicted they should be put in the general prison population. There they can be Bubba's or Tiny's bitch for awhile. They will be able to experience all the brutality they did to innocent children. Then later they will be mutilated and executed by the other prisoners.

[MilwaukeeMike]

Bravo!!! Its a great day when scum like this is removed from society.

[Bikewer]

I have wondered about the true incidence of pedophilia in the population. Every time one of these individuals is busted, it's found that they have collections of many thousands of photos, videos, and so forth.
Admittedly, a lot of this stuff merely recirculates. Still, the market seems to be huge.
I once thought that pedophilia was a rather rare abberation; I begin to wonder.

[Random]

I have wondered about the true incidence of pedophilia in the population. Every time one of these individuals is busted, it's found that they have collections of many thousands of photos, videos, and so forth.
Admittedly, a lot of this stuff merely recirculates. Still, the market seems to be huge.
I once thought that pedophilia was a rather rare abberation; I begin to wonder.

It is doubtful that we will ever know the real numbers of pedophiles living among us. The social taboos against it are so strong, we end up only hearing about people who get caught breaking the law, and those NAMBLA freaks. Most of them probably never touch a kid in their lives and never get into trouble with the law. Would not really suprise me to find out that there are a million plus in the US.

Kinda creepy really.

[Grammatron]

Once these people(?) are convicted they should be put in the general prison population. There they can be Bubba's or Tiny's bitch for awhile. They will be able to experience all the brutality they did to innocent children. Then later they will be mutilated and executed by the other prisoners.

So you want them tortured and then executed?

[Katana]

It is doubtful that we will ever know the real numbers of pedophiles living among us. The social taboos against it are so strong, we end up only hearing about people who get caught breaking the law, and those NAMBLA freaks. Most of them probably never touch a kid in their lives and never get into trouble with the law. Would not really suprise me to find out that there are a million plus in the US.

Kinda creepy really.


It's disgusting.

You're right in that determining exact numbers would be difficult to impossible, but I'm certain that there are more out there than anyone previously thought.

[slingblade]

I have wondered about the true incidence of pedophilia in the population. Every time one of these individuals is busted, it's found that they have collections of many thousands of photos, videos, and so forth.
Admittedly, a lot of this stuff merely recirculates. Still, the market seems to be huge.
I once thought that pedophilia was a rather rare abberation; I begin to wonder.

Hardly.

I heard a figure once that one in every four women was sexually abused (in one form or another) as a child.

Oddly, I have had a really hard time finding those other three women.

[Grammatron]

Hardly.

I heard a figure once that one in every four women was sexually abused (in one form or another) as a child.

Oddly, I have had a really hard time finding those other three women.

Are you saying all the women are sexually abused?

[slingblade]

Are you saying all the women are sexually abused?

I'm saying, anecdotally, that when it comes up in conversation, more women than I would expect have at least one story to tell of things ranging from inappropriate touching all the way to full-blown rape.

Are any or all types/degrees of sexual contact (for children) abuse? I dunno; I guess that's arguable. I just hear it more often than not.

I do tend to "hang out" more with the impoverished, but this held true during my recent stint at college, too.

[timhau]

I have wondered about the true incidence of pedophilia in the population. Every time one of these individuals is busted, it's found that they have collections of many thousands of photos, videos, and so forth.
Admittedly, a lot of this stuff merely recirculates. Still, the market seems to be huge.
I once thought that pedophilia was a rather rare abberation; I begin to wonder.

If they're selling the stuff through the net, the market can be huge even if it is a rare aberration.

[shemp]

In other news, the Roman Catholic Church has announced that most of its churches will be closed this Sunday, as there is a sudden shortage of priests available to say mass.

Thank you, I'll be here all week, try the veal!

[skeptifem]

It's disgusting.

You're right in that determining exact numbers would be difficult to impossible, but I'm certain that there are more out there than anyone previously thought.


Im not so sure.

From what ive read it seems like the average number that a pedophile molests is very, very high over a lifetime, so I think that pedos who actually molest children are not very numerous. they just do a lot of damage. :(

[tumnus]

"Huge pedophile ring busted"

Sorry, I cant read this thread title without snickering to myself: "well, that's karma for ya"

[The Central Scrutinizer]

So they didn't allow small pedophiles into their ring?

[Rasmus]

I have wondered about the true incidence of pedophilia in the population. Every time one of these individuals is busted, it's found that they have collections of many thousands of photos, videos, and so forth.
Admittedly, a lot of this stuff merely recirculates. Still, the market seems to be huge.
I once thought that pedophilia was a rather rare abberation; I begin to wonder.

Thousands of videos and images?

It doesn't seem to be quite so much, if you think about it. I could easily provide you with millions and millions of images and videos of legal pornographic material within a few days or hours.

A consumer here has little need to collect what he watches - the material is free or cheap and readily available. I doubt it has much value for trading stuff, either. Why should I bother to trade anything that I can just grab?

Illegal metarial would be different though: It's relatively difficult to get - so trading is more likely to occur. What a user have will be valuable to others. So he would keep what he hase since it is likely a major way of getting new stuff. Also, he will have to rely on the existing collection for using the material since it is not as readily avaible. Two good reasons to collect stuff that others would just watch once.

Finally, if you look at some numbers about how big the porn industry is I am sure the pedophiliac content will still fade in comparison.

How many images are there in an individual playboy?

[Morrigan]

Why is it that not only there are sickos who are sexually attracted to children (which is horrible enough already), but they -need- their pornographic material to be explicitly violent, too? I remember a story that was posted here a while ago, where someone described horrific videos with screaming children. :boggled: I think I'm going to be sick...

In other news, the Roman Catholic Church has announced that most of its churches will be closed this Sunday, as there is a sudden shortage of priests available to say mass.

Thank you, I'll be here all week, try the veal!
You totally stole that from Fark.com.

[UserGoogol]

Why is it that not only there are sickos who are sexually attracted to children (which is horrible enough already), but they -need- their pornographic material to be explicitly violent, too? I remember a story that was posted here a while ago, where someone described horrific videos with screaming children. :boggled: I think I'm going to be sick...

Child porn with upbeat happy children seems like it would be hard to make, (since it's hard to rape someone without upsetting them) and pedophiles who don't like that sort of thing would probably be drawn towards things that don't get them arrested. (i.e., Simulated child porn and non-pornographic pictures of children.) Thus, the market for "real" child porn would logically tend to skew towards the more violent pedophiles, even if pedophiles as a whole aren't into that sort of thing.

[Darat]

When I watched the various news reports of this tonight my stomach turned when I heard that what the site focused on in this investigation was live video streams of children and babies being sexually assaulted. That people could "book" these video streams. I can't remember the last time I've felt so disturbed at a news report. (Probably because I just wasn't expecting that.)

Apparently just over 30 children have been rescued (and that is the only word to use) thanks to this operation. I just really hope they are given the utmost in support for the rest of their lives, it is the least society can do for such victims.

[Darat]

BBC report says 31 children were saved: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6763817.stm

[boooeee]

When I watched the various news reports of this tonight my stomach turned when I heard that what the site focused on in this investigation was live video streams of children and babies being sexually assaulted. That people could "book" these video streams. I can't remember the last time I've felt so disturbed at a news report. (Probably because I just wasn't expecting that.)

Apparently just over 30 children have been rescued (and that is the only word to use) thanks to this operation. I just really hope they are given the utmost in support for the rest of their lives, it is the least society can do for such victims.

That was the most disturbing part for me as well.

What I am not comprehending is that the arrest publicity is focused on the guys that facilitated the online distribution of these images and feeds. What about the people that actually committed the abuse? There is a mention of rescued children, but there doesn't seem to be mention of what happened to the people they were rescued from. Were they their parents? Were they kidnapped? Were they orphans?

There's something missing from this story.

[Solus]

Difficult for me to show any objectivity on this issue. If the those who abused the children are found guilty I would like to see them eliminated.

[nightwind]

Well, I know they try to over sensationalize these kind of stories to cause hysteria, but this does sound on the face like it could have been a pretty bad situation.

But I don't buy the 1 in 4 women have been sexually abused as a child. I really don't even know how you could come up with a statistic like that. What did they do poll all of the women?

I really think that the ring that was busted would be a real rarity, and don't believe that there are pedophilies lurking on every street corner, or at least the kind that would torture kids.

[slingblade]

But I don't buy the 1 in 4 women have been sexually abused as a child. I really don't even know how you could come up with a statistic like that. What did they do poll all of the women?


I didn't come up with it. I made it quite plain it was simply a number I'd heard bandied about. Like 1 in 5 dentists choose Trident gum.

[shemp]

Why is it that not only there are sickos who are sexually attracted to children (which is horrible enough already), but they -need- their pornographic material to be explicitly violent, too? I remember a story that was posted here a while ago, where someone described horrific videos with screaming children. :boggled: I think I'm going to be sick...


You totally stole that from Fark.com.

It's plagiarism when someone says something original and someone else steals it. It's not plagiarism when a lot of people come up with a pretty obvious joke on the same subject on the same day. I bet thousands of people thought of this one independently, myself included.

[JJM 777]

It's cool to jail a pedophile into a comfortable little prison, with frequent access to the Internet. As long as the holy "freedom of speech" lives, there will be thousands of legal websites using children as objects of erotic desire, camouflaged as "nudism / naturism" or "fashion photography, child models".

If you search Google with "india child abuse statistics", you will learn that 53% of children recently polled in India reported having been indecently abused in the past. Of these children 70% had never told anyone about it.

How many children are there in India (having a population of one billion, mostly young people)?

The good news is that in later life we remember hardly anything that happened under the age of three, and only very few things that happened under the age of 6 years. An adult victim of abuse will remember every smallest detail of it for the rest of her (or his) life.

[brodski]

That was the most disturbing part for me as well.

What I am not comprehending is that the arrest publicity is focused on the guys that facilitated the online distribution of these images and feeds. What about the people that actually committed the abuse? There is a mention of rescued children, but there doesn't seem to be mention of what happened to the people they were rescued from. Were they their parents? Were they kidnapped? Were they orphans?

There's something missing from this story.

You have to remember the rules regarding the reporting of criminal cases in the UK- giving too many details away at this stage may, given the horrific and emotionally charged nature of these crimes, give the defendants a credible claim that press reporting had so biased the public (and therefore their jurors) against them, that they had no hope of a fair trial. A claim which can lead to charges being dismissed.

Expect more details as they are revealed in open court.

[Darat]

...snip...

I really think that the ring that was busted would be a real rarity, and don't believe that there are pedophilies lurking on every street corner, or at least the kind that would torture kids.

Neither do I, but don't forget most abuse of children (of every kind) is done by someone in or close to the child's family or by someone who is a guardian of the child (e.g. child foster/care institutions).

Many sites state the 1 in 4 figure for females and give "Kinsey, 1953, Finkelhor, 1979" as a reference.

[Checkmite]

Things are different now as opposed to twenty years ago, but I don't think the "market" as it were has gotten any bigger. The material has just become more plentiful, and free, so more pedos are partaking.

Think about it (after you take some pink bismuth) - once upon a time, people who made this stuff needed things like secure studios, money to process their pictures privately, and an advertising budget. Today, any dweeb can take two dozen such pictures a week in his living room on his digital camera, go to the computer, and ten minutes after the abuse thousands of likeminded garbage all over the world have pictures of it.

[Tailgater]

Well, I know they try to over sensationalize these kind of stories to cause hysteria, but this does sound on the face like it could have been a pretty bad situation.

But I don't buy the 1 in 4 women have been sexually abused as a child. I really don't even know how you could come up with a statistic like that. What did they do poll all of the women?

I really think that the ring that was busted would be a real rarity, and don't believe that there are pedophilies lurking on every street corner, or at least the kind that would torture kids.

Read 'em and weep....

http://www.freewebs.com/tamarllc/thestats.htm

....it's freaking sad.

Like Slingblade, I know many women who have been sexually abused (Uncles seem to top the list :mad: ). The 1 in 4 stat doesn't surprise me at all.

[skeptifem]

Child porn with upbeat happy children seems like it would be hard to make, (since it's hard to rape someone without upsetting them)

'freezing up' is a very common reaction. A lot of children do enjoy the sexual encounters that were abusive- its a huge thing to overcome for abuse victims, its harder to accept that its not your fault when there was enjoyment. A pedophile who molests the same child over and over spends a lot of time convincing the child that what is happening is 'ok' or 'normal, and plenty of kids believe their abusers and willingly participate in sexual activity. It does not make the events any less traumatic or painful, Im just saying that what people picture when they think of abuse is not always the reality. I think the portrayals and assumptions of what abuse 'looks like' is bad for victims of abuse that did not have (for lack of a better word)a cliche experience, it adds confusion and again makes it easier to self blame.

[slingblade]

The good news is that in later life we remember hardly anything that happened under the age of three, and only very few things that happened under the age of 6 years. An adult victim of abuse will remember every smallest detail of it for the rest of her (or his) life.

Those who were victims from age 8 to 14 remember it all, too.


Trust me.

[Morrigan]

It's plagiarism when someone says something original and someone else steals it. It's not plagiarism when a lot of people come up with a pretty obvious joke on the same subject on the same day. I bet thousands of people thought of this one independently, myself included.
Shhh. I was joking, myself.

I guess I shouldn't make any light banter in a thread like that. :(

[bigred]

Once these people(?) are convicted they should be put in the general prison population. There they can be Bubba's or Tiny's bitch for awhile. They will be able to experience all the brutality they did to innocent children. Then later they will be mutilated and executed by the other prisoners.
Which is great but ultimately worthless unless it is videotaped and made readily available ie the scum doing this have a good chance of seeing it. And personally I'm for methodically slow torture, but it is a tough call....

[bigred]

Well, I know they try to over sensationalize these kind of stories to cause hysteria,Pls explain to me how you "over sensationalize" this.

[fuelair]

So you want them tortured and then executed?

Why yes, yes we do!

[Katana]

When I watched the various news reports of this tonight my stomach turned when I heard that what the site focused on in this investigation was live video streams of children and babies being sexually assaulted. That people could "book" these video streams. I can't remember the last time I've felt so disturbed at a news report. (Probably because I just wasn't expecting that.)

Apparently just over 30 children have been rescued (and that is the only word to use) thanks to this operation. I just really hope they are given the utmost in support for the rest of their lives, it is the least society can do for such victims.


Agreed.

This is perhaps the most important element of situations like this.

Sure. Bring the criminals in, and deal them a harsh punishment. But I hope that the system doesn't fail to address the subjects of their enjoyment and the horrific treatment/torture that they endured for the perverse sexual pleasure of these a-holes.

Which of these children can ever expect to live a normal life after going through that hell?

And, even if some were babies who may not remember what happened, what kind of physical damage does forcible intercourse with an adult man cause? I can't imagine. Can they recover from that?

[bigred]

Which of these children can ever expect to live a normal life after going through that hell? Essentially none.

And, even if some were babies who may not remember what happened, what kind of physical damage does forcible intercourse with an adult man cause? I can't imagine. Can they recover from that?Just because they can't remember it doesn't mean they don't suffer severe psychological damage FYI.

[Beerina]

I'm saying, anecdotally, that when it comes up in conversation, more women than I would expect have at least one story to tell of things ranging from inappropriate touching all the way to full-blown rape.

I knew this woman at college who told me her first "sexual experience" was her boyfriend raping her on the back lawn. That's gotta be wonderful. And she wasn't even a little kid at the time.

[bigred]

I knew this woman at college who told me her first "sexual experience" was her boyfriend raping her on the back lawn. That's gotta be wonderful. And she wasn't even a little kid at the time.
How sad that we are so "civilized" (spineless) that punishments such as castration for such a thing makes everyone wince...

[Darat]

If we weren't so "civilised" we probably wouldn't think there had been any crime committed.

[tek]

How sad that we are so "civilized" (spineless) that punishments such as castration for such a thing makes everyone wince...

Brilliant. Maybe we can cut off the hands of thieves and the tongues of liars while we're at it.

Despicable as the crimes may be, the Constitution forbids cruel and unusual punishment.

[Darat]

Brilliant. Maybe we can cut off the hands of thieves and the tongues of liars while we're at it.

Despicable as the crimes may be, the Constitution forbids cruel and unusual punishment.

What do expect it's a Liberal (with capital L) constitution after all - spineless bunch those Founding Fathers!



;)

[bigred]

Brilliant. Maybe we can cut off the hands of thieves and the tongues of liars while we're at it.Speaking of brilliant, nice analogies. For starters, FYI lying in itself isn't a crime. Don't quit your civil service job to bercome a lawyer.

Talk to me after your mother/sister/daughter is raped o brilliant one.


Despicable as the crimes may be, the Constitution forbids cruel and unusual punishment.and-?

[Corsair 115]

For starters, FYI lying in itself isn't a crime.Uh, it certainly can be. Lying while testifying during a trial, for example, is considered a crime. Lying on your tax return is considered a crime, for another example.

[Art Vandelay]

If you search Google with "india child abuse statistics", you will learn that 53% of children recently polled in India reported having been indecently abused in the past. Of these children 70% had never told anyone about it.Except the complete stranger that is asking incredibly personal questions?

Read 'em and weep....

http://www.freewebs.com/tamarllc/thestats.htm
Maybe I'm a snob, but I find it hard to take someone seriously when they can't even spell "perish" or "its" correctly. And why are you linking to a site that simply repears the claim?

Other questions raised by the site:
30-40% of victims are abused by a family member.
Another 50% are abused by someone outside of the family whom they know and trust.
Approximately 40% are abused by older or larger children whom they know.
Therefore, only 10% are abused by strangers.Uhh... that doesn't make any sense.

The median age for reported abuse is 9 years old.
More than 20% of children are sexually abused before the age of 8. Was the intended claim "20% of children who are abused are abused before the age of 8"? If so, that would mean that 30% are abused at exactly 9 years.

Over 30% of victims never disclose the experience to ANYONE. And how was that determined?

Of those who do disclose, approximately 75% disclose accidentally. Additionally, of those who do disclose, more than 20% eventually recant even though the abuse occurred.
Fabricated sexual abuse reports constitute only 1% to 4% of all reported cases.What does "accidentally" mean? How do they know how many accusations are real?

More than 75% of teenage prostitutes have been sexually abused. Assuming that most teenage prostitutes are underage, isn't that pretty much true by definition?

It does list sources, but there's no statement as to which statistics come from which source, or where in the source it comes, and it looks like there are more sources listed than there are statistics.

All in all, I smell BS.

[Tailgater]

Except the complete stranger that is asking incredibly personal questions?

Depends on the poll. Might have been a form to fill out.


Maybe I'm a snob, but I find it hard to take someone seriously when they can't even spell "perish" or "its" correctly. And why are you linking to a site that simply repears the claim?

I don't understand this sentence because I don't know what you mean by "repears". I linked the site because it had alot of sources to find further information from, and had the 1 in 4 women stat being discussed right on top. Even if some of the statistics are vague in meaning, I find it sad.

30-40% of victims are abused by a family member.
Another 50% are abused by someone outside of the family whom they know and trust.
Approximately 40% are abused by older or larger children whom they know.
Therefore, only 10% are abused by strangers.

Other questions raised by the site:
Uhh... that doesn't make any sense.

100 victims.
30-40 abused by a family member.
50 abused by someone outside family they trust
The 40% is confusing. Could be 40% of the 50 outside the family or 40% of the overall 90%. Either way, it is irrelevant to the final statistic of 10% being abused by strangers.

All in all, I smell BS.

While the site is a little sloppy and some statistics poorly copied from original sources, it shows enough of a slice to be disgusted. Your BS meter is going off more over a matter of percentage points and typos than it is over an overall problem.

[bigred]

Uh, it certainly can be. Lying while testifying during a trial, for example, is considered a crime. Lying on your tax return is considered a crime, for another example.
Again: lying IN ITSELF isn't a crime. The examples you cite aren't simply about lying.