Dylan Avery - Earth-Shattering News Coming Soon (again)

[stateofgrace]

Remember, according to you, hearing, feeling, or seeing explosions is not evidence of explosives.




Felt like an explosion


Felt explosion with rumbling


Severe shaking; thought furnace exploded


thought it was explosion


Felt like a small explosion


Thought there had been an explosion


http://www.eas.slu.edu/Earthquake_Center/NEW/980115/980115fltrpt.html

Yes this is correct what felt, sounded like or even seemed like explosions does not mean explosives caused it.

[Galileo]

No, they weren’t irrational. However, no one is saying that anyone was irrational to initially think that there might have been bombs going off 9/11, so it's irrelevant. Anyone who currently thinks that there were bombs going off on 9/11, on the other hand, are being absurd.

so it WAS evidence at first, but now it's NOT evidence?

The people here continually confuse EVIDENCE with PROOF.

[stateofgrace]

What if the beam was snapped with super thermite?

:jaw-dropp

So how did super thermite throw the steel beam 400 feet?

[Par]

so it WAS evidence at first, but now it's NOT evidence?

The people here continually confuse EVIDENCE with PROOF.



Before anyone knew the facts, it was rational to think that there might have been bombs going off. Now that we know the facts, it's no longer rational.

[beachnut]

How do you know that it's a steel beam and not an explosive?
If you hear an explosive sound, and the beam next to just snapped, and you are not dead, and the sound came from the beam, and it sounded like an explosion, and you are not dead or blown up, then...

[Galileo]

If you hear an explosive sound, and the beam next to just snapped, and you are not dead, and the sound came from the beam, and it sounded like an explosion, and you are not dead or blown up, then...

what if Rudy Ghouliani had the steel beam shipped to Asia?

GHOULIANI
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ghouliani&btnG=Search

[Drudgewire]

SCENERIO:

Someone is seen throwing an object into a crowd, and then people in the crowd hear and feel an explosion. No bomb fragments are recovered.

RESULT:

What evidence is permitted at trial?

1) the eyewitness who saw someone throw the object.

2) Witness testimony from people who heard or felt the explosion.

or

1) the eyewitness who saw someone throw the object.

2) since whatever caused the explosion could have already been in the crowd before the object was thrown, the witnesses who heard and felt the explosion have no evidence and they can't testify.

YOUR TURN

I'm not sure what any of this has to do with my point, since all that could just as easily apply to unicorns... except they have the advantage of being able to fly as an added possibility of leaving no evidence. :)

[beachnut]

What if the beam was snapped with super thermite?

:jaw-dropp
What is super thermite? No beams were snapped with super thermite. No one even mentioned thermite till an insane Dr Jones made it up in 2005. It is all made up. You even fail to present data to support your claims. No data, no facts, no deal.

[Galileo]

So how did super thermite throw the steel beam 400 feet?

I'm not sure if such a thing as "super thermite" exists.

If it does exist, I'm not aware of it wanting to throw anything.

[beachnut]

what if Rudy Ghouliani had the steel beam shipped to Asia?

GHOULIANI
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ghouliani&btnG=Search
So? What false idea are you now going to start?

[Par]

The people here continually confuse EVIDENCE with PROOF.



The sounds of explosions are as much evidence of the existence of explosives as sunshine is evidence that it is a Wednesday. If you genuinely think that sunshine is evidence that it is a Wednesday, then yes, by all means, the sounds of explosions are evidence of the existence of explosives. If, on the other hand, you don’t think that sunshine is evidence that it is a Wednesday, then no, the sounds of explosions are not evidence of the existence of explosives.

So, the question for you to answer is: Do you genuinely think that sunshine is evidence that it is a Wednesday?

[Drudgewire]

I'm not sure if such a thing as "super thermite" exists.

If it does exist, I'm not aware of it wanting to throw anything.
Naw, only super DOOPER thermite does that.

[Galileo]

Too Bad For Scott Peterson That Jury Pools Aren't Selected From The Jref Forum.

There Was No Evidence That Scott Peterson Killed His Wife, And Someone Else Could Have Done It.

I Dare You To Name Some Evidence Against Scott Peterson, That Doesn't Have An Analogy In The 9/11 Case.

[stateofgrace]

I'm not sure if such a thing as "super thermite" exists.

If it does exist, I'm not aware of it wanting to throw anything.

Oh I see, so now you are not sure that the chemical you suggested may have snapped a steel beam even exists?

Are you sure you're not just making it up as you go along?

Have you actually got anything substantive to say, anything at all?

Tell you what why don't you just tell me what happened on 911, if a few short sentences, in your own words?

[Galileo]

Naw, only super DOOPER thermite does that.

If an arson trial were held regarding WTC 7, here is some evidence that would be introduced to the jury.

1) Barry Jennings description of the explosion.

2) Witnesses regarding who turned the fire alarm off at 6:47 a.m.

3) The video of Larry Silverstein saying "PULL IT".

4) The video of the BBC reporting the collapse before it collapsed. (Nostradamus must work there?)

5) Testimony regarding the missing of the WTC 7 steel.

6) The controlled demolition videos.

7) Dr. Stephen Jomes would be certified as an expert witness.

There's a reason why 54% of the USA wants Dick Cheney impeached, you know.

[Galileo]

Oh I see, so now you are not sure that the chemical you suggested may have snapped a steel beam even exists?

Are you sure you're not just making it up as you go along?

Have you actually got anything substantive to say, anything at all?

Tell you what why don't you just tell me what happened on 911, if a few short sentences, in your own words?

Do you have some sort of thermite fixation?

I know some parents who thermate their kids if they do not behave.

And George Bush, you know, a strong advocate of the death penalty, wants to super thermite people to death.

[stateofgrace]

Do you have some sort of thermite fixation?

I know some parents who thermate their kids if they do not behave.

And George Bush, you know, a strong advocate of the death penalty, wants to super thermite people to death.

What if the beam was snapped with super thermite?

:jaw-dropp

Hey, you brought it up not me. I take it you be avoiding all the questions put to you from this point, kind of like you have done so throughout the entire thread.

Would you do me a favour and pm me when you actually produce something other than wild rants and unsubstantiated claims, I have better things to do with my time other than waste it on you.

[Drudgewire]

If an arson trial were held regarding WTC 7, here is some evidence that would be introduced to the jury.

OK. Of course there will never be a jury trial regarding arson at WTC-7 but let's play.

1) Barry Jennings description of the explosion.

Who would be subject to cross-examination where every point we make would have to be answered by him, or his testimony would be thrown out.

2) Witnesses regarding who turned the fire alarm off at 6:47 a.m.

Probably not, but see answer above.

3) The video of Larry Silverstein saying "PULL IT".

Admitted only after it could be authenticated in a way that proves the time, the context, and of course the jury would be watching the video without a narrator putting a sinister spin on it.

4) The video of the BBC reporting the collapse before it collapsed. (Nostradamus must work there?)

Never admitted. Explained fully and no longer relevant to anything. And despite your close personal friendship and family ties with him, Nostrodamus would not be called as a witness either.

5) Testimony regarding the missing of the WTC 7 steel.

Only if there's testimony about where it went.

6) The controlled demolition videos.

Cool. Stuff goin 'splode is neato. :)

7) Dr. Stephen Jomes would be certified as an expert witness.

Wait, you didn't say anything about this trial taking place in some dimension where that could possibly happen outside of a comedy movie.

There's a reason why 54% of the USA wants Dick Cheney impeached, you know.

They're jealous of his fashion sense?

[Par]

Do you have some sort of thermite fixation?

I know some parents who thermate their kids if they do not behave.

And George Bush, you know, a strong advocate of the death penalty, wants to super thermite people to death.



I see you’ve completed your journey into the swamp of gibbering nonsense. Well done.

[T.A.M.]

If an arson trial were held regarding WTC 7, here is some evidence that would be introduced to the jury.

1) Barry Jennings description of the explosion.

2) Witnesses regarding who turned the fire alarm off at 6:47 a.m.

3) The video of Larry Silverstein saying "PULL IT".

4) The video of the BBC reporting the collapse before it collapsed. (Nostradamus must work there?)

5) Testimony regarding the missing of the WTC 7 steel.

6) The controlled demolition videos.

7) Dr. Stephen Jomes would be certified as an expert witness.

There's a reason why 54% of the USA wants Dick Cheney impeached, you know.


here is some evidence that would also be entered into the trial:

(1) barry Jennings would be asked to give his account once again, and would be CROSS EXAMINED.

(2) Dozens of Firemen would be called to tell their accounts of how the fires were raging in the building, and left burning for 7 hours, and how the building was leaning to one side. They would testify how in their opinion it looked like it was going to collapse.

(3) Larry Silverstein would be called to give his own testimony as to exactly what the phone conversation went like, and to CLARIFY any vagueness in detail.

(4) The BBC anchor and reporter in question would be called to give testimony as to why this announcement was made, what it was based on, etc...

(5) Testimony would be given from NIST Scientists, given experts in the fields, as to what is the most likely cause of the collapse.

(6) Photos indicating a large gaping hole in the south side, as well as video showing the large uncontrolled fires would be admitted.

(7) Experts in Demolition, many, except for Jowenko, would be called upon to give their opinion on the collapse, based on the READING OF THE NIST REPORTS, as well as the circumstances of the day, and the videos...

(8) Dr. Stephen Jones would, as a PHYSICIST, NOT BE qualified as an expert wrt the COLLAPSE of WTC7.

TAM:)

[Dog Town]

If an arson trial were held regarding WTC 7, here is some evidence that would be introduced to the jury.

1) Barry Jennings description of the explosion.

2) Witnesses regarding who turned the fire alarm off at 6:47 a.m.

3) The video of Larry Silverstein saying "PULL IT".

4) The video of the BBC reporting the collapse before it collapsed. (Nostradamus must work there?)

5) Testimony regarding the missing of the WTC 7 steel.

6) The controlled demolition videos.

7) Dr. Stephen Jomes would be certified as an expert witness.

There's a reason why 54% of the USA wants Dick Cheney impeached, you know.

I hope your are just trying to be funny, in a dark sort of way!
If so...good one!

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/109234699fe7de0c94.gif (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=7037)

DT

[Galileo]

here is some evidence that would also be entered into the trial:

(2) Dozens of Firemen would be called to tell their accounts of how the fires were raging in the building, and left burning for 7 hours, and how the building was leaning to one side. They would testify how in their opinion it looked like it was going to collapse.

TAM:)

The fire was burning for 7 hours, but the fire alarm never went off?

[beachnut]

Too Bad For Scott Peterson That Jury Pools Aren't Selected From The Jref Forum.

There Was No Evidence That Scott Peterson Killed His Wife, And Someone Else Could Have Done It.

I Dare You To Name Some Evidence Against Scott Peterson, That Doesn't Have An Analogy In The 9/11 Case.
Boy, let me see. You are right, there was no evidence. He did not buy a boat, he did not buy cement, he did not bleach his house, he did go "fishing" in the exact same waters his wife and kid were found in, he did not hide the fact he was married from his girl friend, he did not tell his girl friend he would be free after Christmas, he did not go fishing the day his wife disappeared, and he was looking for his wife at a golf course with OJ, and he was not going to run to Mexico with a new hairdo. No evidence on Scott, he was as innocent at OJ.

I think if you found fuses, people who saw people who planted the giant pile of explosives, blown up people, large explosions that blasted things fast then slow, not slow then fast, and some left over bad charges, some wires, some detonators, some blasting caps, actually sounds of RDX, or HMX, or even real piles of used thermite, like piles of steel, some people who decided to tell, etc, etc. Then like Scott your fiction theory would have some teeth, instead of idiots who make it up.

No one got explosives, no one planted explosives, no explosives when off on 9/11. This is a long list I quit...

[Dog Town]

The fire was burning for 7 hours, but the fire alarm never went off?

Moot point...try doing any research! This is getting more absurd by the post!
You are a memorex of twooferisms!
Enough!

[Par]

The fire was burning for 7 hours, but the fire alarm never went off?



As a rule, fire alarms require electricity don’t they?

[T.A.M.]

The fire was burning for 7 hours, but the fire alarm never went off?

I wasn't there so I can't say. Speculatively, I would say either (A) It did go off, or (B) it didnt because the system was damaged.

So what do you think, there were no fires in the building?

TAM:)

[Drudgewire]

I fail to see the CT point in turning off fire alarms. Since they wouldn't have gone off until the explosives detonated, was the NWO hoping that without alarms nobody would notice the chunks of plane and building falling on them and keep working?

[beachnut]

If an arson trial were held regarding WTC 7, here is some evidence that would be introduced to the jury.
1) Barry Jennings description of the explosion.
2) Witnesses regarding who turned the fire alarm off at 6:47 a.m.
3) The video of Larry Silverstein saying "PULL IT".
4) The video of the BBC reporting the collapse before it collapsed. (Nostradamus must work there?)
5) Testimony regarding the missing of the WTC 7 steel.
6) The controlled demolition videos.
7) Dr. Stephen Jomes would be certified as an expert witness.
There's a reason why 54% of the USA wants Dick Cheney impeached, you know.
This is too easy, even I could be a lawyer.
1)Barry did you see an explosion. NO, did you get any blast effects or did it kill anyone around you, NO, (no explosive)
2)And what does it mean with the fire alarm off for 9/11. Nothing!
3)Larry what did you mean by "pull it", I meant to pull out the fireman to save lives. (but he said it so normal people can spot idiots, who think CT)
4)BBC made a mistake. I expect news people to always make errors. Zip.
5)Oh no, a building everyone know burned and fell because the fire was not fault, the steel was scrapped. Nothing here.
6)What CD videos? Are you nuts?
7)Dr Jones will only be certified nuts. He started his thermite madness 4 years too late. He is a nut.
99FF>What does Dick have to do with 9/11? You would be thrown out of the court room for being an idiot with that statement. You lost. Dick can not even cover up shooting a friend! You lost 8 times over for not winning one single point.

[Galileo]

Tell you what why don't you just tell me what happened on 911, if a few short sentences, in your own words?

I've always been a big fan of Snake Plisskan, so I could go with the Bumble Planes theory:

Flight Of The Bumble Planes
by Snake Plissken
http://www.public-action.com/911/bumble.html

But then again, I'm a big fan of Jim Hoffman, and he says that theory is wrong:

Bumble Planes
A Theory Accounting for the Fates of Flights 11, 175, and 77
http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/analysis/bumble.html

So, I'll go with Attack Scenario 404:

Attack Scenario 404 *
How the Attack Might Have Been Engineered (But Probably Wasn't)
http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/analysis/scenario404.html

Actually, I'm still confused, why don't we have an investigation to find out.

:shocked:

I'm voting for Ed Thompson!

Ed Thompson Announces He Is Considering Running for President as Pro-9/11 Truth Candidate
by Kevin Barrett
9/11 Blogger
Tuesday July 31, 2007
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2007/310707Thompson.htm

He wants a 9/11 investigation with Kevin Barrett as the Commission Chairman!

Remember, it's not a real investigation, until Barry Jennings testifies!

[Galileo]

As a rule, fire alarms require electricity don’t they?

Not when on auxiliary power.

Sort of like when Star Trek lost WARP power, and went on impulse.

[T.A.M.]

and there in lies the achilles heel of the 9/11 truth movement...no unified coherent and consistent theory, just speculation, hearsay, and opinion upon opinion...and so they continue to whine at each other.

TAM:)

[Galileo]

This is too easy, even I could be a lawyer.
1)Barry did you see an explosion. NO, did you get any blast effects or did it kill anyone around you, NO, (no explosive)
2)And what does it mean with the fire alarm off for 9/11. Nothing!
3)Larry what did you mean by "pull it", I meant to pull out the fireman to save lives. (but he said it so normal people can spot idiots, who think CT)
4)BBC made a mistake. I expect news people to always make errors. Zip.
5)Oh no, a building everyone know burned and fell because the fire was not fault, the steel was scrapped. Nothing here.
6)What CD videos? Are you nuts?
7)Dr Jones will only be certified nuts. He started his thermite madness 4 years too late. He is a nut.
99FF>What does Dick have to do with 9/11? You would be thrown out of the court room for being an idiot with that statement. You lost. Dick can not even cover up shooting a friend! You lost 8 times over for not winning one single point.

You'd be a poor lawyer.

I am listing the evidence.

You are making arguments about evidence.

Arguments are not evidence.

[Galileo]

Boy, let me see. You are right, there was no evidence. He did not buy a boat, he did not buy cement, he did not bleach his house, he did go "fishing" in the exact same waters his wife and kid were found in, he did not hide the fact he was married from his girl friend, he did not tell his girl friend he would be free after Christmas, he did not go fishing the day his wife disappeared, and he was looking for his wife at a golf course with OJ, and he was not going to run to Mexico with a new hairdo. No evidence on Scott, he was as innocent at OJ.

I think if you found fuses, people who saw people who planted the giant pile of explosives, blown up people, large explosions that blasted things fast then slow, not slow then fast, and some left over bad charges, some wires, some detonators, some blasting caps, actually sounds of RDX, or HMX, or even real piles of used thermite, like piles of steel, some people who decided to tell, etc, etc. Then like Scott your fiction theory would have some teeth, instead of idiots who make it up.

No one got explosives, no one planted explosives, no explosives when off on 9/11. This is a long list I quit...

buying a boat is evidence of murder?

Has Dick Cheney ever bought a boat?

[Foolmewunz]

Galileo,
A note on sophistry. It works well in a live debate, ergo you really might've coached Uncle Fetzer. This is his style.
Alas, on a forum, your words are right there for people to pick apart and analyze. In short, sophistry is, by definition, "playing to the crowd". It doesn't work here. You are being handed your arse and are moving the goalposts so often that I'm getting dizzy trying to keep up.
Weren't you going to dazzle us with your math? Something dredged up from that impressive gene pool, if I recall? Seems you moved away from that area in a hurry (didn't find a lot of math/science guys on The Big Boys Woo Forum, I reckon) and reverted to personal observation and arguments from incredulity.

When/if LCFC is released we'll all get to see the sooper sekret details of Jennings' interview. I'm not even so certain that he's adding anything new. I have a feeling that DA's doing a slice and dice routine on his previous statements, and with AJ behind him, they probably think they can get away with it.

[Drudgewire]

Not when on auxiliary power.

Sort of like when Star Trek lost WARP power, and went on impulse.
Well that explains everything. They blew up WTC-7 with photon explosives then beamed all the evidence back to their transporter room. :rolleyes:

[Dog Town]

Actually, I'm still confused, why don't we have an investigation to find out.



Yes, you are! That does not warrant ANOTHER investigation, so you can understand it! You wouldn't anyway, of that I am assured!

[stateofgrace]

Actually, I'm still confused, why don't we have an investigation to find out.

Remember, it's not a real investigation, until Barry Jennings testifies!

So these people don't count?


1,200 people who worked the flight 93 crash scene
40,000 people who worked the piles at Ground Zero
55 FBI Evidence Response Teams at Fresh Kills in New York
7,000+ FBI Agents
8,000+ people who worked the scene at the Pentagon
ACE Bermuda Insurance
AEMC Construction
AIG Insurance
Air Traffic Control System Command Center in Washington
Alexandria VA Fire & Rescue
Allianz Global Risks
American Airlines
American Concrete Institute
American Institute of Steel Construction
American Red Cross
Applied Biosystems Inc.
Applied Research Associates
Arlington County Emergency Medical Services
Arlington County Fire Department
Arlington County Sheriff's Department
Arlington VA Police Department
Armed Forces Institute of Pathology
Armed Forces Institute of Technology Federal Advisory Committee
ARUP USA
Atlantic Heydt Inc.
Bechtel
Berlin Fire Department
Big Apple Wrecking
Blanford & Co.
Bode Technology Group
Bovis Inc.
Building and Construction Trades Council
Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms
C-130H crew in D.C. & Shanksville
Cal Berkeley Engineering Dept.
California Incident Management Team
Carter Burgess Engineering
Celera Genomics
Centers for Disease Control
Central City Fire Department
Central Intelligence Agency
Cleveland Airport control tower
Columbia University Department of Civil Engineering and Engineering Mechanics
Congressional Joint Intelligence Committee
Consolidated Edison Company
Construction Technologies Laboratory
Controlled Demolitions Inc.
Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat
Counterterrorism and Security Group
CTL Engineering
D.H. Griffin Wrecking Co. Inc.
DeSimone Consulting Engineers
Dewhurst MacFarlane &Partners
DiSalvo Ericson Engineering
District of Columbia Fire & Rescue
DOD Honor Guard, Pentagon
D'Onofrio Construction
E-4B National Airborne Operations Center crews
Edwards and Kelcey Engineering
Engineering Systems, Inc.
Environmental protection Agency
Exponent Failure Analysis Associates
EYP Mission CriticalFacilities
Fairfax County Fire & Rescue
Falcon 20 crew in PA
Family members who received calls from victims on the planes
FBI Evidence Recovery Teams
Federal Aviation Administration
Federal Bureau of Investigation
Federal Emergency Management Agency
Federal Insurance Co.
FEMA 68-Person Urban Search and Rescue Teams: Arizona Task Force 1, California Task Force 1, California Task Force 3, California Task Force 7, Colorado Task Force 1, Fairfax Task Force 1, Florida Task Force 1, Florida Task Force 2, Maryland Task Force 1, Massachusetts Task Force 1, Metro Dade/Miami, Nebraska Task Force 1, New Mexico Task Force 1, New York Task Force 1, Pennsylvania Task Force 1, Tennessee Task Force 1, Texas Task Force 1, Utah Task Force 1, Virginia Task Force 1, Virginia Task Force 2, Washington Task Force 1
FEMA Disaster Field Office
FEMA Emergency Response Team
FEMA Urban Search and Rescue Incident Support Team-Advanced 3
Fire Department of New York
Fort Myer Fire Department
Fourteen teams of search dogs from Oregon
French Urban Search & Rescue Task Force
Friedens Volunteer Fire Department
Gateway Demolition
Gene Code Forensics
Georgia Tech Engineering Dept.
Gilsanz Murray Steficek LLP
GMAC Financing
Goldstein Associates Consulting Engineers
Guy Nordenson Associates
HAKS Engineers
Hampton-Clarke Inc.
HHS National Medical Response Team
HLW International Engineering
Hooversville Rescue Squad.
Hooversville Volunteer Fire Department
Hoy Structural Services
Hughes Associates, Inc
Hugo Neu Schnitzer East
hundreds of ironworkers, some of whom built the WTC
Hundreds of New York City Police Department Detectives
Industrial Risk Insurers
Institute for Civil Infrastructure Systems
International Association of Fire Chiefs
International Union of Operating Engineers Locals 14 & 15
J.R. Harris & Company
Karl Koch Steel Consulting Inc.
KCE Structural Engineers
Koch Skanska
Koutsoubis, Alonso Associates
Laboratory Corp. of America
Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory
Leslie E. Robertson Associates
LIRo Engineering
Listie Volunteer Fire Company
Lockwood Consulting
M.G. McLaren Engineering
Masonry Society
Mazzocchi Wrecking Inc.
Metal Management Northeast
Metropolitan Airport Authority Fire Unit
Miami-Dade Urban Search & Rescue
Military District of Washington Search & Rescue Team
Montgomery County Fire & Rescue
Mueser Rutledge Consulting Engineers
Murray Engineering
Myriad Genetic Laboratories Inc.
National Center for Biotechnology Informatics
National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States
National Council of Structural Engineers Associations
National Disaster Medical System
National Emergency Numbering Association
National Fire Protection Association
National Guard in D.C., New York, and Pennsylvania
National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST)
National Institutes of Health Human Genome Research Institute
National Law Enforcement and Security Institute
National Military Command Center
National Reconnaissance Office
National Response Center
National Science Foundation Division of Civil and Mechanical Systems
National Security Agency
National Transportation Safety Board
National Wrecking
Natural Hazards Research and Applications Information Center
New Jersey State Police
New York City Department of Buildings WTC Task Force
New York City Department of Design and Construction
New York City Department of Environmental Protection
New York City Office of Emergency Management
New York City Office of the Chief Medical Examiner
New York City Police Department Aviation Unit
New York City Police Department Emergency Services Unit
New York Daily News
New York Flight Control Center
New York Newsday
New York Port Authority Construction Board
New York Port Authority Police
New York State Emergency Management Office
New York State Police Forensic Services
New York Times
North American Aerospace Defense Command
Northeast Air Defense Sector Commanders and crew
Numerous bomb-sniffing dogs
Numerous Forensic Anthropologists
Numerous Forensic Dentists
Numerous Forensic Pathologists
Numerous Forensic Radiologists
NuStats
Occupational Safety and Health Administration
Office of Emergency Preparedness
Office of Strategic Services
Orchid Cellmark
Parsons Brinckerhoff Engineering
Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection
Pennsylvania Department of Health and Human Services
Pennsylvania Region 13 Metropolitan Medical Response Group
Pennsylvania State Funeral Directors Association
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Pentagon Helicopter Crash Response Team
Pentagon Medical Staff
Pentagon Renovation Team
Phillips & Jordan, Inc.
Port of New York and New Jersey Authority
Pro-Safety Services
Protec
Public Entity Risk Institute
Purdue University Engineering Dept.
Robert Silman Associates Structural Engineers
Rolf Jensen & Associates, Inc
Rosenwasser/Grossman Consulting Engineers
Royal SunAlliance/Royal Indemnity
SACE Prime Power Assessment Teams
SACE Structural Safety Engineers and Debris Planning and Response Teams
Salvation Army Disaster Services
several EPA Hazmat Teams
several FBI Hazmat Teams
several Federal Disaster Medical Assistance Teams
several Federal Disaster Mortuary (DMORT) Teams
Severud Associates Consulting Engineers
Shanksville Volunteer Fire Company
Silverstein Properties
Simpson Gumpertz & Heger Engineers
Skidmore, Owings & Merrill LLP
Skilling Ward Magnusson Barkshire
Society of Fire Protection Engineers
Somerset Ambulance Association
Somerset County Coroner's Office
Somerset County Emergency Management Agency
Somerset Volunteer Fire Department
St. Paul/Travelers Insurance
State of Pennsylvania Emergency Management Agency
Stoystown Volunteer Fire Company
Structural Engineering Institute of the American Society of Civil Engineers (SEI/ASCE)
Structural Engineers Association of New York
Superstructures Engineering
Swiss Re America Insurance
Telephone operators who took calls from passengers in the hijacked planes
Teng & Associates
Thornton-Tomasetti Group, Inc.
TIG Insurance
Tokio Marine & Fire
Transportation Safety Administration
Tully Construction
Twin City Fire Insurance
Tylk Gustafson Reckers Wilson Andrews Engineering
U.S. Army Corps of Engineers
Underwriters Laboratories
Union Wrecking
United Airlines
United States Air National Guard
United States Fire Administration
United States Secret Service
United Steelworkers of America
University of Sheffield Fire Engineering Research
US Army Reserves of Virginia Beach Fairfax County and Montgomery County
US Army’s Communications-Electronics Command
US Department of Defense
US Department of Justice
US Department of State
Virginia Beach Fire Department
Virginia Department of Emergency Management
Virginia State Police
Vollmer Associates Engineers
Washington Post
Weeks Marine
Weidlinger Associates
Weiskopf & Pickworth Engineering
Westmoreland County Emergency Management Agency
Whitney Contracting
Willis Group Holdings
WJE Structural Engineers
Worcester Polytechnic Institute
World Trade Center security staff
XL Insurance
Yonkers Contracting
York International
Zurich Financial
Zurich Re Risk Engineering

Conspiracists: are these people liars, dupes, or shills?

Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl, Ph.D., P.E.
Alan Rosa, P.E., S.E.
Allyn Kilsheimer, P.E.
Amit Bandyopadhyay, S.E.
Amy Zelson Mundorff
Anamaria Bonilla, S.E.
Andrew McConnell, S.E.
Andrew Mueller-Lust, S.E.
Andrew Pontecorvo, P.E.
Anthony Kirk US&R Structural Specialist
Anthony W. Chuliver, S.E.
Antoine E. Naaman, Ph.D.
Antranig M. Ouzoonian, P.E.
Arlan Dobson, FEMA Region 2 DAS
August Domel, Ph.D., S.E., P.E.
Bernie Denke US&R Structural Specialist
Bill Cote
Bill Coulbourne, P.E., S.E.
Bob Gray (I.U.O.E.)
Bonnie Manley, P.E., S.E.
Boris Hayda, P.E., S.E.
Brian Lyons
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Charles Hirsch, M.D.
Charles J. Carter, AISC
Charles Thornton, P.E.
Charlie Vitchers
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Christopher M. Hewitt, AISC
Chuck Guardia, S.E.
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James Lord, FSFP.E.
James Milke, Ph.D., P.E.
Jan Szumanski, IUOE
Jason Averill, FSFP.E.
Jeffrey Hartman, S.E.
Jim Abadie
Joel Meyerowitz
John Gross, Ph.D., P.E.
John Hodgens, FDNY (ret.)
John J. Zils, P.E., S.E.
John L. Gross, Ph.D., P.E.
John Lekstutis, P.E.
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Jozef Van Dyck, P.E.
Juan Paulo Morla, S.E.
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Lou Mendes, P.E., S.E.
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Mark Blair
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Mete A. Sozen, Ph.D., S.E.
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Paul F. Mlakar, Ph.D., P.E.
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Richard Gann, Ph.D.
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Richard Kahler US&R Structural Specialist
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Ronald Rehm, Ph.D.
Ronald Spadafora, FDNY D.A.C
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Saw-Teen See, P.E.
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Sonny Scarff
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Stephen Cauffman
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Stuart Foltz, P.E.
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Tom Scarangello, P.E.
Tom Stanton (IST)
Tony Beale, P.E.
Valentine Junker
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Victor Hare, P.E.
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W. Lee Evey
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The Congressional Joint Inquiry on 9/11
Senate Members
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Carl Levin
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John D. Rockefeller
James M. Inhofe
Dianne Feinstein
Orrin Hatch
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the Zacharias Moussaoui prosecution team.


http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=79698

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[Dog Town]

You'd be a poor lawyer.

I am listing the evidence.

You are making arguments about evidence.

Arguments are not evidence.

Arguments destroy false claims of evidence, though! This is your entire problem, you have no evidence, just a gut feeling!

Lay off watching V for woosters today, just once!

[Galileo]

Arguments destroy false claims of evidence, though! This is your entire problem, you have no evidence, just a gut feeling!

Yes, but arguments are not evidence. Neither are press releases by the FBI. Press releases are not evidence. Explosions ARE evidence. Dylan Avery and LCFC will provide the evidence for a revolution in thought not seen since Galileo had a gut feeling in 1597 that the earth moved around the sun!

[Gravy]

The fire was burning for 7 hours, but the fire alarm never went off?As I've posted twice in this thread, WTC 7's fire alarm went off just after the south tower collapsed.

Can someone quote this in case Galileo has me on ignore? He hasn't replied to my posts.

[T.A.M.]

Yes, but arguments are not evidence. Neither are press releases by the FBI. Press releases are not evidence. Explosions ARE evidence. Dylan Avery and LCFC will provide the evidence for a revolution in thought not seen since Galileo had a gut feeling in 1597 that the earth moved around the sun!

ROFLMAO...if, IF LC:FC gets released, it will make no more than a wimper. Come back here 6 months after it is released, and tell me what kind of an impact it has made...lol

As for the rest of your comments, Explosions are evidence of explosions, nothing more.

Go see the Moussaoui Trial Exhibits. They had to have REAL EVIDENCE, as it was a criminal trial, so go look at that REAL EVIDENCE.

TAM:)

[T.A.M.]

As I've posted twice in this thread, WTC 7's fire alarm went off just after the south tower collapsed.

Can someone quote this in case Galileo has me on ignore? He hasn't replied to my posts.

quoted for Gravy.

TAM:)

[Drudgewire]

Neither are press releases by the FBI. Press releases are not evidence.
Wouldn't need to be, since the evidence they found which was the reason for making a press release would be.

Explosions ARE evidence.
Well, you probably wouldn't need to find a whole lot of experts to testify things blew up on 9/11. :p

[beachnut]

Yes, but arguments are not evidence. Neither are press releases by the FBI. Press releases are not evidence. Explosions ARE evidence. Dylan Avery and LCFC will provide the evidence for a revolution in thought not seen since Galileo had a gut feeling in 1597 that the earth moved around the sun!
LC and Dylan are fiction experts. Now you are just a parrot of LC.

[Par]

Weren't you going to dazzle us with your math? Something dredged up from that impressive gene pool, if I recall? Seems you moved away from that area in a hurry (didn't find a lot of math/science guys on The Big Boys Woo Forum, I reckon) and reverted to personal observation and arguments from incredulity.



Indeed. People have done an absolute number on "Galileo" in this thread.

[Dog Town]

Yes, but arguments are not evidence. Neither are press releases by the FBI. Press releases are not evidence. Explosions ARE evidence. Dylan Avery and LCFC will provide the evidence for a revolution in thought not seen since Galileo had a gut feeling in 1597 that the earth moved around the sun!

Strike three thousand! You are so out! The big G had science, you got LC!
Now that is funny! Good one.

[Drudgewire]

Strike three thousand! You are so out! The big G had science, you got LC!
Now that is funny! Good one.
Not only that, but an LC HE HASN'T EVEN SEEN YET! :boggled:

[LashL]

If an arson trial were held regarding WTC 7, here is some evidence that would be introduced to the jury.

1) Barry Jennings description of the explosion.

2) Witnesses regarding who turned the fire alarm off at 6:47 a.m.

3) The video of Larry Silverstein saying "PULL IT".

4) The video of the BBC reporting the collapse before it collapsed. (Nostradamus must work there?)

5) Testimony regarding the missing of the WTC 7 steel.

6) The controlled demolition videos.

7) Dr. Stephen Jomes would be certified as an expert witness.

There's a reason why 54% of the USA wants Dick Cheney impeached, you know.

This is so wrong on so many levels that it made me actually chuckle out loud.

Rather than parse the entire post, let's start with your first eight words and see if it is necessary to go any further: If an arson trial were held regarding WTC 7

First things first: who is the accused at this imaginary trial?

[Foolmewunz]

This is so wrong on so many levels that it made me actually chuckle out loud.

Rather than parse the entire post, let's start with your first eight words and see if it is necessary to go any further:

First things first: who is the accused at this imaginary trial?

Well, in the soon-to-be-released World According to Lucus, the accused is us. Or is it them? Oh, no, it's you. Gaaaaah, I get so confused with all those pronoun things! I'm outta here!

[NDBoston]

As I've posted twice in this thread, WTC 7's fire alarm went off just after the south tower collapsed.

Can someone quote this in case Galileo has me on ignore? He hasn't replied to my posts.


As someone who was IN 7WTC that morning, I can confirm this is true. Then again, I'm just another NWO agent waiting for my next check according to the "truthers".

[Galileo]

You don't know, actually, whether the loose change boys or Alex Jones even asked Barry which staircase it was, and knowing how poor their research skills are, and how poor their interview skills are, it would not surprise me in the least if they didn't even ask.



Just got confirmation, Jennings was in the east stairwell!

You can see a single window punched out on the 8th floor ... Jennings did that.

That means you guys are going down. The explosion heard and felt by Jennings JUST HAPPENED to originate from to exact location where NIST says a "critical failure" occurred that began the process of bringing the entire building down.

WTC 7 was as long and wide as a football field and twice as tall, lots of VOLUME.

But the explosion JUST HAPPENED to occur in just the right location.

Dudes, WTC 7 was taken down by explosives and YOU KNOW IT!

[Galileo]

As someone who was IN 7WTC that morning, I can confirm that this is true. Then again, I'm just another NWO agent waiting for my next check according to the "truthers".

They recorded something at 10 a.m., but the fire alarm did not "go off".

No firemen received alarms from WTC 7.

Sorry.

[Dog Town]

Just got confirmation, Jennings was in the east stairwell!

You can see a single window punched out on the 8th floor ... Jennings did that.

That means you guys are going down. The explosion heard and felt by Jennings JUST HAPPENED to originate from to exact location where NIST says a "critical failure" occurred that began the process of bringing the entire building down.



Still no evidence of explosives! I for one am SHOCKED! Evidence of your "confirmation", came from what?

[stateofgrace]

Just got confirmation, Jennings was in the east stairwell!

You can see a single window punched out on the 8th floor ... Jennings did that.

That means you guys are going down. The explosion heard and felt by Jennings JUST HAPPENED to originate from to exact location where NIST says a "critical failure" occurred that began the process of bringing the entire building down.

WTC 7 was as long and wide as a football field and twice as tall, lots of VOLUME.

But the explosion JUST HAPPENED to occur in just the right location.

Dudes, WTC 7 was taken down by explosives and YOU KNOW IT!

Why ?

[Slayhamlet]

Galileo,
A note on sophistry. It works well in a live debate, ergo you really might've coached Uncle Fetzer. This is his style.
Alas, on a forum, your words are right there for people to pick apart and analyze. In short, sophistry is, by definition, "playing to the crowd". It doesn't work here. You are being handed your arse and are moving the goalposts so often that I'm getting dizzy trying to keep up.
Weren't you going to dazzle us with your math? Something dredged up from that impressive gene pool, if I recall? Seems you moved away from that area in a hurry (didn't find a lot of math/science guys on The Big Boys Woo Forum, I reckon) and reverted to personal observation and arguments from incredulity.

When/if LCFC is released we'll all get to see the sooper sekret details of Jennings' interview. I'm not even so certain that he's adding anything new. I have a feeling that DA's doing a slice and dice routine on his previous statements, and with AJ behind him, they probably think they can get away with it.

He was lying about his mathematical prowess, just as he was lying about his ability to translate the Greek New Testament and his genealogy. All bluster, no intelligence. If I didn't know any better, I'd say he's a Malcolm Kirkman sockpuppet.

Hey Gally Boy, why do you suppose it is that the "Truth" movement attracts so many pathological liars such as yourself and Mr. Kirkman?

[NDBoston]

Just got confirmation, Jennings was in the east stairwell!

You can see a single window punched out on the 8th floor ... Jennings did that.

That means you guys are going down. The explosion heard and felt by Jennings JUST HAPPENED to originate from to exact location where NIST says a "critical failure" occurred that began the process of bringing the entire building down.

WTC 7 was as long and wide as a football field and twice as tall, lots of VOLUME.

But the explosion JUST HAPPENED to occur in just the right location.

Dudes, WTC 7 was taken down by explosives and YOU KNOW IT!

Here's a few facts for you to ignore.

I worked for SSB for three years including 9-11.

I worked on the 43rd floor but my job took me to almost everywhere in SSB based on my job in the global technology group. We were building a new two-tier trading system and had to get imput from almost everyone. Here's what I saw:

3 floors that had people on there 24/7 (trading floors). That makes it tough to wire a building for controlled demolition.

People worked at their jobs for many hours. I was working 75-80 hours a week and would see people in the office even on the weekends and late at night. We were paid well and worked our asses off for it. That must have been tough for the black ops doing the wiring.

I never saw any significant construction going on in all my three years there. How was the the wiring for the controlled demolition done exactly without anyone noticing it?

You live in a fantasyland. I live in reality. My world is a place where my best friends were killed on 9-11 (working for Cantor Fitzgerald), and yet I have idiots confront me as a CIA operative one Saturday last year at Ground Zero after hearing my story on 9-11 which led me here.

Go F yourself.

[beachnut]

Just got confirmation, Jennings was in the east stairwell!

You can see a single window punched out on the 8th floor ... Jennings did that.

That means you guys are going down. The explosion heard and felt by Jennings JUST HAPPENED to originate from to exact location where NIST says a "critical failure" occurred that began the process of bringing the entire building down.

WTC 7 was as long and wide as a football field and twice as tall, lots of VOLUME.

But the explosion JUST HAPPENED to occur in just the right location.

Dudes, WTC 7 was taken down by explosives and YOU KNOW IT!
Jennings punched out a window and made a hole for air to feed the fires and he helped destroy WTC7. We now have someone to blame. Good job G.

No, if there was an explosion big enough to damage WTC7, the blast effect would kill those around the explosion. The only thing you have is LC fiction, and LC is making money off of idiots like you. LC wants to thank those who support it, idiots like you.

Dolts, WTC7 was not brought down by explosives. And why would WTC7 mean anything to 9/11? Are all 9/11 truth people unable to think properly? Why does WTC7 mean anything dude?

[NDBoston]

wrong thread

[twinstead]

You'd be a poor lawyer.

I am listing the evidence.

You are making arguments about evidence.

Arguments are not evidence.

I can't believe you trot out some of the most tired trutherisms. That is NOT evidence. The Pull it quote? What kind of 'evidence' is that? Bring Larry Silverstein to the witness chair. Ask him what he meant. Ask any rational person what he meant. Pull the FIRE FIGHTING EFFORT. What will a jury think?

The BBC mistake? Bring the BBC spokesman to the witness chair. Ask them what happened. They give the same explanation they have already given: It was a mistake. What will a jury think?

How many experts have ALREADY debunked Jones? How would he fare during cross examination? What experts will the opposition have?

The Controlled demolition videos? You're kidding right? How many witnesses would you convince to state in a court of law that in their opinion it was most definitely CD? How many experts do you think the court could subpoena to give an opposite opinion?

The rest of your list is totally bogus. You would get eaten alive in a court of law with that 'evidence'.

Hell, all we would have to do is submit much of the evidence that was presented in the Atta trial. Have you seen it? Pretty compelling stuff.

Exactly how do YOU think you would fare personally in a witness chair under cross examination? I think it is you who would be the poor lawyer.

[Galileo]

Here's a few facts for you to ignore.

I worked for SSB for three years including 9-11.

I worked on the 43rd floor but my job took me to almost everywhere in SSB based on my job in the global technology group. We were building a new two-tier trading system and had to get imput from almost everyone. Here's what I saw:

3 floors that had people on there 24/7 (trading floors). That makes it tough to wire a building for controlled demolition.

People worked at their jobs for many hours. I was working 75-80 hours a week and would see people in the office even on the weekends and late at night. We were paid well and worked our asses off for it. That must have been tough for the black ops doing the wiring.

I never saw any significant construction going on in all my three years there. How was the the wiring for the controlled demolition done exactly without anyone noticing it?

You live in a fantasyland. I live in reality. My world is a place where my best friends were killed on 9-11 (working for Cantor Fitzgerald), and yet I have idiots confront me as a CIA operative one Saturday last year at Ground Zero after hearing my story on 9-11 which led me here.

Go F yourself.

# 1 - You just broke the new JREF profanity rules. Please seek emotional intelligence training.

# 2 - You are giving only pure specualtion. You don't need any bombs on the 43rd floor to CD a 47 story building. (and the top floor was just a penthouse)

[stateofgrace]

# 1 - You just broke the new JREF profanity rules. Please seek emotional intelligence training.

# 2 - You are giving only pure specualtion. You don't need any bombs on the 43rd floor to CD a 47 story building. (and the top floor was just a penthouse)


Are you calling a 9/11 survivor wacky?

Well,are you?

[Galileo]

Still no evidence of explosives! I for one am SHOCKED! Evidence of your "confirmation", came from what?

OH YES! This IS evidence for explosives. Evidence as explosive as the bombs that took down WTC 7.

NIST is now exploring "hypothetical blast events" for WTC 7.

But if we have a witness, it is no longer hypothetical anymore.

And NIST has scientists who are proving that WTC 7 failed where the explosion occurred.

That, my friends, is plenty of evidence for conviction, beyond a reasonable doubt, in any court of law.

There is a limit to how much politicians can manipulate science. The Bush administration pushed it to the max.

But the end is near. The word is out.

The NIST scientists DIDN'T EVEN KNOW that Barry Jenning's testimony had been altered. BUT THEY KNOW NOW!

Thanks to the power of the Internet and 9/11 Truth.

The cat is out of the bag! The last vestiges of denial dwell in deep crevices of JREF denial forums, soon to be their own isolated reality, like blind cave-fish 200 feet under the surface of the earth.

* Jennings has A-1 credibility

* Jennings described a powerful explosion in WTC 7 BEFORE the South Tower fell.

* The north stairwell he was in, WASN'T HIT BY TWIN TOWER DEBRIS.

and

* The explosion caused a CRITICAL FAILURE that brought WTC 7 to it's knees.

No, my friends, WTC 7 didn't fall like a house of cards.

But the Official Conspiracy Theory is about to implode like a house of cards.

Farewell. And good luck. You'll need it.

[chipmunk stew]

Yes, but arguments are not evidence. Neither are press releases by the FBI. Press releases are not evidence. Explosions ARE evidence. Dylan Avery and LCFC will provide the evidence for a revolution in thought not seen since Galileo had a gut feeling in 1597 that the earth moved around the sun!
Oops! Galileo was beaten to it by about 83 years. You should have called yourself Copernicus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolaus_Copernicus).

Your post is so nominated (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2820321#post2820321).


edit:
Free science history lesson--Galileo is known for his systematic observations and for more or less inventing the modern scientific method. He's also known for his work on uniformly accelerated objects (kinematics). He made some pretty exciting and mind-blowing discoveries, like the major moons of Jupiter. His observations also lent support to Copernicus' heliocentric model.

The revolution embodied by Galileo was one of method, not any particular theory or discovery.

[stateofgrace]

:words:

Why was WTC 7 demolished?

[beachnut]

# 1 - You just broke the new JREF profanity rules. Please seek emotional intelligence training.

# 2 - You are giving only pure specualtion. You don't need any bombs on the 43rd floor to CD a 47 story building. (and the top floor was just a penthouse)
You were just proved wrong by someone who worked at WTC7. You lost. End of game. You and LC are frauds. You and LC are unable to get it right. You are just not able to get 9/11 right, Dylan will make money off of people like you.

[twinstead]

Galileo you can't make things true by repeating them over and over and over again.

And it's not just the NIST scientists. The vast majority of scientists world wide know the truth. To them, like us, you are just some kook with an ideological agenda.

Let's wait and see what happens. You seem to think your evidence is rock solid, but if you bring stupid things like the pull it quote and BBC to the table you are sunk.

And, if your evidence is SO compelling, you should bring it to the attention of the nearest law enforcement agency post haste, right? Or at least find some hungry reporter who longs for the Pulitzer prize.

We don't need luck; we have reality on our side.

[Dog Town]

So, for those keeping score at home,drum roll...wait for it! Still no freaking explosives!

[stateofgrace]

And, if your evidence is SO compelling, you should bring it to the attention of the nearest law enforcement agency post haste, right? Or at least find some hungry reporter who longs for the Pulitzer prize.


[woowoo mode on ] No chance the main stream media and the law enforcement agencies are all in on it. [woowoo mode off]

[chipmunk stew]

* The north stairwell he was in, WASN'T HIT BY TWIN TOWER DEBRIS.
Wait... which stairwell?

[Par]

OH YES! This IS evidence for explosives. Evidence as explosive as the bombs that took down WTC 7.


http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/7615/c3em6.jpg

[~enigma~]

Galileo you can't make things true by repeating them over and over and over again.
But...Dorothy did it and I am related to L. Frank Baum who wrote the Wizard Of Oz so I am allowed to repeat things and make them true.

[Drudgewire]

That, my friends, is plenty of evidence for conviction, beyond a reasonable doubt, in any court of law.
Apparently you're not aware that the NWO has Matlock on retainer. He'll prove the young guy did it. :cool:

[kookbreaker]

Dylan Avery and LCFC will provide the evidence for a revolution in thought not seen since Galileo had a gut feeling in 1597 that the earth moved around the sun!

Galileo had more than a 'gut feeling'. He had evidence, faced a geocentric model that already was known to not work right, a predecessor (you might head of him? Name of Copernicus), and competent contemporaries.

By comparison, Dylan is up against a model that works, despite how much you whine about it. Dylan has no tangible evidence to present beyond shadowy, sinister suggestions by a narrator to a techno beat, and contemporaries who are just plain nuts when they are not completely incompetent.

[LashL]

Just got confirmation, Jennings was in the east stairwell!

Confirmation from what source(s)?

You can see a single window punched out on the 8th floor ... Jennings did that.

"You can see" this window where? And how do you know that "Jennings did that"? Source(s), please.

That means you guys are going down.

Oh, please. Stop with the histrionics.

The explosion heard and felt by Jennings JUST HAPPENED to originate from to exact location where NIST says a "critical failure" occurred that began the process of bringing the entire building down.

Ahh, so we have come full circle to my earlier question that you didn't answer. What is this "exact location" of which you speak?

[A W Smith]

You can see a single window punched out on the 8th floor ... Jennings did that.



So Jennings did what a "prep explosion" couldnt? Broke glass?

I think yoiu have just Lost paul

[LashL]

OH YES! This IS evidence for explosives. Evidence as explosive as the bombs that took down WTC 7.

Actually, no. You have still not provided any evidence whatsoever of explosives.

But if we have a witness, it is no longer hypothetical anymore.

Mr. Jennings has not provided any evidence of explosives. So, yes, your hypothetical scenario is still hypothetical.

And NIST has scientists who are proving that WTC 7 failed where the explosion occurred.

Really? Why are you having such a difficult time identifying that "exact location" to which you have referred repeatedly? As an aside, should I take from your comment that you accept that NIST is correct in its findings with regard to WTC1 and WTC2? (I happen to think that they are, but I am interested in your view on all of the previous NIST reports.)

That, my friends, is plenty of evidence for conviction, beyond a reasonable doubt, in any court of law.

It most certainly is no such thing. And, by the way, you didn't answer my question previously, so I will ask it again here: who is the accused in this imaginary trial?

[removed redundant nonsense]

* Jennings described a powerful explosion in WTC 7 BEFORE the South Tower fell.

No, he did not.

* The north stairwell he was in, WASN'T HIT BY TWIN TOWER DEBRIS.

What north stairwell?

* The explosion caused a CRITICAL FAILURE that brought WTC 7 to it's knees.

Complete and utter nonsense.

[removed the rest of nonsensical post]

[Gravy]

They recorded something at 10 a.m., but the fire alarm did not "go off".Fourth time: you are wrong.

Finding 2.25: The fire alarm system that was monitoring WTC 7 sent to the monitoring company only one signal (at 10:00:52 a.m. shortly after the collapse of WTC 2) indicating a fire condition in the building on September 11, 2001. http://wtc.nist.gov/progress_report_june04/chapter1.pdf


You don't need any bombs on the 43rd floor to CD a 47 story building. (and the top floor was just a penthouse)I've always said the same thing. You just dismissed the only video "evidence" of a controlled demolition that the 9/11 deniers claim. Thank you.

[Foolmewunz]

wrong thread

Wrong? In what way? Surely that's a bit harsh. I think the thread's just a little misguided, and might be showing some anti-social tendencies. But to condemn it in such a cavalier manner as "wrong"? Man, that's cold!

(insert smiley of your choice)
((freely borrowed from someone else and I'm too lazy to look up my inspiration))

[Stellafane]

# 1 - You just broke the new JREF profanity rules. Please seek emotional intelligence training.

"Emotional intelligence training"?? Is that like intellectual battles with unarmed men?

# 2 - You are giving only pure specualtion...

If irony were pennies, you'd be a billionaire.

[MaGZ]

The NIST scientists DIDN'T EVEN KNOW that Barry Jenning's testimony had been altered. BUT THEY KNOW NOW!

Thanks to the power of the Internet and 9/11 Truth.

The cat is out of the bag! The last vestiges of denial dwell in deep crevices of JREF denial forums, soon to be their own isolated reality, like blind cave-fish 200 feet under the surface of the earth.

* Jennings has A-1 credibility

* Jennings described a powerful explosion in WTC 7 BEFORE the South Tower fell.

* The north stairwell he was in, WASN'T HIT BY TWIN TOWER DEBRIS.

and

* The explosion caused a CRITICAL FAILURE that brought WTC 7 to it's knees.

No, my friends, WTC 7 didn't fall like a house of cards.

But the Official Conspiracy Theory is about to implode like a house of cards.

Farewell. And good luck. You'll need it.

The explosion Barry Jennings experienced in WTC 7 was from an errant missile that hit the 14th floor at 9:03am that morning. The missile came from a fighter that tried to shoot-down flight 175 as it was heading toward WTC 2.

[MaGZ]

Wait... which stairwell?

Where is the link showing Mr. Jennings’ stairwell location?

[MaGZ]

I wasn't there so I can't say. Speculatively, I would say either (A) It did go off, or (B) it didnt because the system was damaged.

So what do you think, there were no fires in the building?

TAM:)

How do you or anyone else here think the fires started in WTC 7? This is a question you debunkers apparently cannot answer.

[T.A.M.]

My money is not on a air to surface missile...lol

TAM:)

[Unfit4Command]

How do you or anyone else here think the fires started in WTC 7? This is a question you debunkers apparently cannot answer.

Maybe since WTC 7 was struck by falling debris. This could have easily damaged the electrical system of the building, resulting in fires. How were the fires started in WTC 5, 6, 4, and all of the other buildings around the site that were burning? Were all of these buildings struck by missiles?

[MaGZ]

When/if LCFC is released we'll all get to see the sooper sekret details of Jennings' interview. I'm not even so certain that he's adding anything new. I have a feeling that DA's doing a slice and dice routine on his previous statements, and with AJ behind him, they probably think they can get away with it.

Even if the LCFC crew slice and dice Jennings statements he will still be available to tell his story. I hope Jennings has a lot to say about what he experienced and how he was misrepresented.

[NDBoston]

The explosion Barry Jennings experienced in WTC 7 was from an errant missile that hit the 14th floor at 9:03am that morning. The missile came from a fighter that tried to shoot-down flight 175 as it was heading toward WTC 2.

Do people really believe that?

WTF is wrong with these truthers? There's thousands of people like myself that were in WTC7 that day. The staircases were FILLED . Where are the other people saying the same thing?

DO they really want to believe this insanity so much that they will ignore everything else just to make this fantasy true?

[uk_dave]

DO they really want to believe this insanity so much that they will ignore everything else just to make this fantasy true?

Need you ask?

This is one of the reasons I am very enthusiastic about Loose Change getting a wide, public release.

What'll happen to 'truther' dreams when the mainstream media start picking it to pieces, including getting a few other people from wtc7 into the studio and asking them if they heard the 'bomb' go off......

[Par]

Do people really believe that?



It’s certainly one of the weirder (not to mention most pointless) theories.

[Foolmewunz]

Do people really believe that?

WTF is wrong with these truthers? There's thousands of people like myself that were in WTC7 that day. The staircases were FILLED . Where are the other people saying the same thing?

DO they really want to believe this insanity so much that they will ignore everything else just to make this fantasy true?

NDBoston, you need to change that to WTF is wrong with THIS truther. You need to check out some MaGZ posts.
1. MaGZ stands for Missiles At Ground Zero. I believe it was his first thread, and yes he seems to believe it. So far he's shown us two pigeons, I believe.
2. MaGZ seems, here, to be criticizing LC. Don't let that lull you into thinking this is a rational guy, because...
3. Not only does he believe that missiles caused the damage to 7, he is a raging anti-semite and Holocaust Denier.

Try a little test. MaGZ? Oh, MaGZie?
Silverstein..... Boo!
Bloomberg.... Gotcha!

(He's twitching with antcipation, now.)

So we have MaGZ and Copernicus in one thread? Terrific. Someone go get Malcolm and Yrreg. They can team up for contract bridge.

[T.A.M.]

Do people really believe that?

WTF is wrong with these truthers? There's thousands of people like myself that were in WTC7 that day. The staircases were FILLED . Where are the other people saying the same thing?

DO they really want to believe this insanity so much that they will ignore everything else just to make this fantasy true?

They call us sheeple, they tell us we are the ones "asleep". Meanwhile, I have never seem a group of people more "asleep" to reality, more out of tune with the world the rest of us live in.

gotta be careful though, you don't want to burst their truther bubble.

TAM:)

[negativ]

Do people really believe that?

WTF is wrong with these truthers? There's thousands of people like myself that were in WTC7 that day. The staircases were FILLED . Where are the other people saying the same thing?

DO they really want to believe this insanity so much that they will ignore everything else just to make this fantasy true?

They'll generally ignore it if they must, but the preference seems to be to incorporate any contradicting evidence into the conspiracy (e.g. planted plane debris, faked FDR data, faked phone calls from passengers, hijackers were CIA operatives and/or unwitting patsies, etc.)

[The Pig]

4) The video of the BBC reporting the collapse before it collapsed. (Nostradamus must work there?)
Two weeks ago, on BBC's Newsnight, they reported a large explosion and a building collapse in Manhattan.

There was an explosion - no explosives mind - but a building didn't collapse; they made a mistake.

[Dog Town]

How do you or anyone else here think the fires started in WTC 7? This is a question you debunkers apparently cannot answer.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_1092345c841e453588.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=4015)
Answered!

[Pardalis]

[/URL][URL]http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_1092345c841e453588.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=4015)
Answered!

All this time I thought it was a missile...

[jsiv]

How do you or anyone else here think the fires started in WTC 7? This is a question you debunkers apparently cannot answer.


http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/0/08/Jewsdidwtc.gif

[Stellafane]

They'll generally ignore it if they must, but the preference seems to be to incorporate any contradicting evidence into the conspiracy (e.g. planted plane debris, faked FDR data, faked phone calls from passengers, hijackers were CIA operatives and/or unwitting patsies, etc.)

If a truther decided gravity didn't exist, and found himself in a raging blizzard, he'd pick out the one snowflake that briefly gets swept up by the wind and declare it proves his theory. He'd then either ignore the billions of other falling snowflakes, or claim they only appear to be falling due to some Zionist plot.

[8den]

Two weeks ago, on BBC's Newsnight, they reported a large explosion and a building collapse in Manhattan.

There was an explosion - no explosives mind - but a building didn't collapse; they made a mistake.

Yes the BBC they're infallible they are.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdyYe7sDlhA

[chipmunk stew]

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/0/08/Jewsdidwtc.gif
It's too soon, jsiv. Too soon!




















:dl:

[Tirdun]

The explosion Barry Jennings experienced in WTC 7 was from an errant missile that hit the 14th floor at 9:03am that morning. The missile came from a fighter that tried to shoot-down flight 175 as it was heading toward WTC 2.

Ah yes. A sidewinder AtA missile missed an aircraft at the 77th floor of WTC2 and thanks to its infrared sighting it instead hit the 14th floor of WTC7.

Go away Maggy.
The Joos are watching you.

[Comsat Angel]

Do people really believe that?

WTF is wrong with these truthers? There's thousands of people like myself that were in WTC7 that day. The staircases were FILLED . Where are the other people saying the same thing?

DO they really want to believe this insanity so much that they will ignore everything else just to make this fantasy true?

Do people believe that? No, just MaGZ!

For that last paragraph, the sad answer is "yes". Twoofers start off with a belief - "It was an inside job" - and then contort reality into a Moebius strip in order to sustain that view. This is similar to UFO and Apollo hoax-proponents, i.e. begin with a conclusion and force the evidence to fit that view. You are coming at the concept of Twoofers with entirely the wrong mind-set - rationality and common-sense; imagine yourself to be a Hassidic Jew amongst a KKK/White Power rally and you'll get the comparison.

If you say that there were thousands of people in WTC7 on that day, then Twoofers will carefully ignore their testimony and seek out whatever supports their weltanschaung - in this case, Barry Jennings. One person out of thousands.

I would also counsel caution if you ever debate Twoofers on one of their websites, since you will instantly be dubbed a "shill" or "plant" or "disinfo agent". This is how they deal with testimony they don't like or don't want to hear, and if you were in WTC7 on 9/11 it may well hit a nerve, to say the least. These are the Twoofers, after all, who could post insulting mockery of people photographed in the Towers after impact, people who subsequently died.

[Galileo]

Wait... which stairwell?

oops, that's supposed to be the east stairwell.

Sorry.

[Galileo]

Galileo had more than a 'gut feeling'. He had evidence, faced a geocentric model that already was known to not work right, a predecessor (you might head of him? Name of Copernicus), and competent contemporaries.

By comparison, Dylan is up against a model that works, despite how much you whine about it. Dylan has no tangible evidence to present beyond shadowy, sinister suggestions by a narrator to a techno beat, and contemporaries who are just plain nuts when they are not completely incompetent.

Galileo didn't have much evidence in 1597.

He wrote a letter to Kepler that year indicating his support of the Coperican theory.

He did not invent his telescope until 1609.

For those interested in Galileo, I suggest the books by Stillman Drake.

"stillman drake"
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22stillman+drake%22&btnG=Search

The best one is 'Discoveries and Opinions of Galileo', translated and edited by Stillman Drake.

Discoveries and Opinions of Galileo
http://www.amazon.com/Discoveries-Opinions-Galileo/dp/0385092393
http://www.amazon.com/Discoveries-Opinions-Galileo/dp/sitb-next/0385092393

[Galileo]

Actually, no. You have still not provided any evidence whatsoever of explosives.



Mr. Jennings has not provided any evidence of explosives. So, yes, your hypothetical scenario is still hypothetical.



Really? Why are you having such a difficult time identifying that "exact location" to which you have referred repeatedly? As an aside, should I take from your comment that you accept that NIST is correct in its findings with regard to WTC1 and WTC2? (I happen to think that they are, but I am interested in your view on all of the previous NIST reports.)



It most certainly is no such thing. And, by the way, you didn't answer my question previously, so I will ask it again here: who is the accused in this imaginary trial?

[removed redundant nonsense]



No, he did not.



What north stairwell?



Complete and utter nonsense.

[removed the rest of nonsensical post]

SMOKE is evidence of FIRE!

[Galileo]

Fourth time: you are wrong.




I've always said the same thing. You just dismissed the only video "evidence" of a controlled demolition that the 9/11 deniers claim. Thank you.

The fire visible in the 7th floor window, seen from the north side of the building, was started by the explosion described by Jennings.

[beachnut]

The fire visible in the 7th floor window, seen from the north side of the building, was started by the explosion described by Jennings.
Are you getting kickbacks from LC? How can you make up this stuff?

[DGM]

The fire visible in the 7th floor window, seen from the north side of the building, was started by the explosion described by Jennings.
Proof?

[~enigma~]

He did not invent his telescope until 1609.
Galileo invented the telescope? And all this time I thought it was Hans Lipperhey :(

[Galileo]

Galileo invented the telescope? And all this time I thought it was Hans Lipperhey :(

Galileo invented HIS telescope.

He also invented the first telescope with a magnification of over 3X.

Lipperhey's patent application for invention was REJECTED.

[Galileo]

Proof?

Prove it wasn't.

[Galileo]

Why was WTC 7 demolished?

because it was loaded with explosives, duh.

[~enigma~]

Galileo invented HIS telescope.

He also invented the first telescope with a magnification of over 3X.

Lipperhey's patent application for invention was REJECTED.
Are you so stupid you think I didn't know about the patent? pdope it really doesn't make a damn difference what you say.....get that through your thick head. Would a mod kindly pay attention to this idiot pdope sock and ban him already...we played enough.

[LUCUS]

These people are hopeless. They'll never get it. I'll admit it's kind of funny to read the lies and misinformation these people feed each other.

[T.A.M.]

These people are hopeless. They'll never get it. I'll admit it's kind of funny to read the lies and misinformation these people feed each other.

I think I'll use that in my signature for every account I obtain at TRUTHER sites.

TAM:)

[twinstead]

Prove it wasn't.

The REAL Galileo wouldn't stoop to asking somebody to prove a negative.

It's your claim that CD was used to demolish WTC7

PROVE IT.

[beachnut]

These people are hopeless. They'll never get it. I'll admit it's kind of funny to read the lies and misinformation these people feed each other.
Yes from the scholars to the members of 9/11 truth. Lies are their only asset. This is standard knowledge about 9/11 truth.

[Galileo]

The REAL Galileo wouldn't stoop to asking somebody to prove a negative.

It's your claim that CD was used to demolish WTC7

PROVE IT.

No, you guys claim that some debris hit the SOUTH SIDE of WTC 7, and started a fire on the NORTH SIDE of the building.

You made the initial claim.

PROVE IT.

[beachnut]

No, you guys claim that some debris hit the SOUTH SIDE of WTC 7, and started a fire on the NORTH SIDE of the building.

You made the initial claim.

PROVE IT.
I can wait until LC:FC comes out and changes the world for everyone. Does this mean Dylan will tell the truth and stop selling fiction as the 9/11 "truth" bible?

But since you are basing your entire fantasy on sounds, we better get ready for you smoking gun to fizzle out soon. You should stick with real evidence, not sounds and hearsay.

[DGM]

Prove it wasn't.
We don't need to prove anything. You are making the CD claim. We could sit back and do nothing, status quo. You want a new investigation start proving some of your lies. Got it!

[Galileo]

We don't need to prove anything. You are making the CD claim. We could sit back and do nothing, status quo. You want a new investigation start proving some of your lies. Got it!

When you accusse 20 people of MASS MURDER you need to prove it.

A press release from the FBI is NOT evidence.

PROVE IT.

[DGM]

When you accusse 20 people of MASS MURDER you need to prove it.

A press release from the FBI is NOT evidence.

PROVE IT.
I didn't accuse any one YOU did. YOU accused the USG of murdering 3000 without a single bit of evidence. Balls in your court or do you want to make a video instead.

[twinstead]

When you accusse 20 people of MASS MURDER you need to prove it.

A press release from the FBI is NOT evidence.

PROVE IT.

Yeppers. Exactly HOW MANY people are YOU accusing of mass murder, huh?

If one does that, one better have a pretty rock-solid case, don't you think?

But, I'll start my case with the evidence presented in the Atta trial. Pretty compelling stuff. Have you seen it?

[Gravy]

When you accusse 20 people of MASS MURDER you need to prove it.

A press release from the FBI is NOT evidence.

PROVE IT.Have you seen anyone about your condition?

[stateofgrace]

because it was loaded with explosives, duh.

Eh no the question was why was WTC 7 demolished not how, please try again.

[T.A.M.]

When you accusse 20 people of MASS MURDER you need to prove it.

A press release from the FBI is NOT evidence.

PROVE IT.

SO you are calling the FBI, and those that work for them liars? You are accusing them of falsely accusing people of murder, and in on the "cover up"?

PROVE IT.

TAM:)

[A W Smith]

When you accusse 20 people of MASS MURDER you need to prove it.

A press release from the FBI is NOT evidence.

PROVE IT.

They did (http://www.rcfp.org/moussaoui/). Trial by jury, result. Guilty

[Galileo]

Eh no the question was why was WTC 7 demolished not how, please try again.

I already told you WHY.

You can't just leave a building standing around filled with explosives, that's dangerous.

[twinstead]

I already told you WHY.

You can't just leave a building standing around filled with explosives, that's dangerous.

You can shout on about your eye witnesses, but you certainly have NO physical evidence of explosives after the collapse, no eye witnesses of anybody planting explosives, in fact NO physical evidence of explosives whatsoever.

Exactly what gives you the right to claim the building was filled with explosives?

So. Onward. What are your thoughts on the Moussaoui trial? Let me guess. All the evidence was planted or fake, right?

[Galileo]

Have you seen anyone about your condition?

When are you going to reveal your position on Barry Jenning's testimony to us?

Is he a liar, just mixed up, telling the truth, or some combination thereof?

[Galileo]

You can shout on about your eye witnesses, but you certainly have NO physical evidence of explosives after the collapse, no eye witnesses of anybody planting explosives, in fact NO physical evidence of explosives whatsoever.

Exactly what gives you the right to claim the building was filled with explosives?

I have plenty of evidence:

1) the explosion started a fire seen in the 7th floor window on the north side of WTC 7.

2) the explosion destroyed a critical area of WTC 7 according to NIST.

You have NO EYEWITNESSES of anyone planting explosives in the Seattle Kingdome.

[stateofgrace]

I already told you WHY.

You can't just leave a building standing around filled with explosives, that's dangerous.

Oh I see WTC 7 was demolished for no other reason other than the fact it was filled with explosives, so why fill it with explosives in the first place?

[Galileo]

They did (http://www.rcfp.org/moussaoui/). Trial by jury, result. Guilty

dude, not one of the 19 "hijackers" has been found guilty at trial.

Osama bin Laden hasn't even been charged with a 9/11 crime.

[twinstead]

I have plenty of evidence:

1) the explosion started a fire seen in the 7th floor window on the north side of WTC 7.

2) the explosion destroyed a critical area of WTC 7 according to NIST.

You have NO EYEWITNESSES of anyone planting explosives in the Seattle Kingdome.

Oh, give me a break. You have a couple witnesses out of the thousands who were in that building. That's ALL you have. Nobody else reported any explosions. None of the firemen, first responders, nobody.

Meanwhile, read the Moussaoui trial's evidence. Now THAT is how evidence is collected and cataloged and used to prove a point. What you have is a rogue witness, conjecture, and a heck of a ideological bias.

Oh, the the Kingdome thing. That is Stundie material. LOL

[T.A.M.]

SO you are calling the FBI, and those that work for them liars? You are accusing them of falsely accusing people of murder, and in on the "cover up"?

PROVE IT.

TAM:)

In case you missed it, although you likely ignored it.

TAM:)

[Unfit4Command]

No, you guys claim that some debris hit the SOUTH SIDE of WTC 7, and started a fire on the NORTH SIDE of the building.

You made the initial claim.

PROVE IT.

I know this idea is a bit crazy, but when a fire starts in one area and other combustibles are present in another area, the fire can spread.

[Regnad Kcin]

dude, not one of the 19 "hijackers" has been found guilty at trial.

Osama bin Laden hasn't even been charged with a 9/11 crime.Well, that's it, men. The jig is up.

[T.A.M.]

Why, early in an appendicitis, is the abdomen tender in the Left Lower Quadrant, when the appendix itself is in the Right Lower Quadrant?

TAM:)

[Galileo]

Oh, give me a break. You have a couple witnesses out of the thousands who were in that building. That's ALL you have. Nobody else reported any explosions. None of the firemen, first responders, nobody.

Meanwhile, read the Moussaoui trial's evidence. Now THAT is how evidence is collected and cataloged and used to prove a point. What you have is a rogue witness, conjecture, and a heck of a ideological bias.

Oh, the the Kingdome thing. That is Stundie material. LOL

The building had been evacuated at the time of the explosion, so there weren't thousands of people in it.

The witness was not a rogue either.

Please try to get your facts straight on this forum.

[Unfit4Command]

dude, not one of the 19 "hijackers" has been found guilty at trial.

Because they're all dead. This is a retarded point anyways. No one in the Bush administration or in the American government has been found guilty at trial either.

Osama bin Laden hasn't even been charged with a 9/11 crime.

Because confessions can't be used in a court of law, that doesn't mean Bin Laden didn't play a part in 9/11.

[GregoryUrich]

Oh, give me a break. You have a couple witnesses out of the thousands who were in that building. That's ALL you have. Nobody else reported any explosions. None of the firemen, first responders, nobody.

Meanwhile, read the Moussaoui trial's evidence. Now THAT is how evidence is collected and cataloged and used to prove a point. What you have is a rogue witness, conjecture, and a heck of a ideological bias.

Oh, the the Kingdome thing. That is Stundie material. LOL

A rogue witness, that's as bad as a rogue state. Preemptive strike! Preemptive strike!

[Unfit4Command]

You have NO EYEWITNESSES of anyone planting explosives in the Seattle Kingdome.

This is another horrible point. I'm willing to bet that if anyone walked in or around the Kingdome, the demolition setup would be obvious. Yet no one working and visiting in and around WTC 7 noticed any evidence of demolition materials.

[twinstead]

Because confessions can't be used in a court of law, that doesn't mean Bin Laden didn't play a part in 9/11.

And, one would think that if The Man were trying to falsely accuse the man of the crime, they maybe would have made sure to find a way to officially charge him.

From what have read it's legally difficult to do in absentia anyway.

IMO the fact he isn't charged actually HURTS Galileo's case, but I can see ho that would fly right past him.

[Galileo]

Because they're all dead.



That's where you are dead wrong, there is precedent going back 1110 years for putting dead people on trial.

THE CADAVER SYNOD
http://www.law.uga.edu/academics/profiles/dwilkes_more/his31_cadaver.html

"The trial began when the disinterred corpse of Formosus was carried into the courtroom. On Stephen VII's orders the putrescent corpse, which had been lying in its tomb for seven months, had been dressed in full pontifical vestments. The dead body was then propped up in a chair behind which stood a teenage deacon, quaking with fear, whose unenviable responsibility was to defend Formosus by speaking in his behalf. The presiding judge, Stephen VII, then read the three charges. Formosus was accused of (1) perjury, (2) coveting the papacy, and (3) violating church canons when he was elected pope.

The trial was completely dominated by Stephen VII, who overawed the assemblage with his frenzied tirades. While the frightened clergy silently watched in horror, Stephen VII screamed and raved, hurling insults at and mocking the rotting corpse. Occasionally, when the furious torrent of execrations and maledictions would die down momentarily, the deacon would stammer out a few words weakly denying the charges. When the grotesque farce concluded, Formosus was convicted on all counts by the court. The sentence imposed by Stephen VII was that all Formosus's acts and ordinations as pope be invalidated, that the three fingers of Formosus's right hand used to give papal blessings be hacked off, and that the body be stripped of its papal vestments, clad in the cheap garments of a lay person, and buried in a common grave. The sentence was rigorously executed. (The body was shortly exhumed and thrown into the Tiber, but a monk pulled it out of the river.)"

If George Bush had the balls that Pope Stephen had, he'd get the 19 alleged hijackers on trial pronto!

[Foolmewunz]

<snip>
If George Bush had the balls that Pope Stephen had, ....

<snip>


They'd be like almost a thousand years old and all shriveled and yuckie, I'd say!

ETA: Michael Jackson would've outbid him for them, anyway!

[stateofgrace]

That's where you are dead wrong, there is precedent going back 1110 years for putting dead people on trial.

THE CADAVER SYNOD
http://www.law.uga.edu/academics/profiles/dwilkes_more/his31_cadaver.html

"The trial began when the disinterred corpse of Formosus was carried into the courtroom. On Stephen VII's orders the putrescent corpse, which had been lying in its tomb for seven months, had been dressed in full pontifical vestments. The dead body was then propped up in a chair behind which stood a teenage deacon, quaking with fear, whose unenviable responsibility was to defend Formosus by speaking in his behalf. The presiding judge, Stephen VII, then read the three charges. Formosus was accused of (1) perjury, (2) coveting the papacy, and (3) violating church canons when he was elected pope.

The trial was completely dominated by Stephen VII, who overawed the assemblage with his frenzied tirades. While the frightened clergy silently watched in horror, Stephen VII screamed and raved, hurling insults at and mocking the rotting corpse. Occasionally, when the furious torrent of execrations and maledictions would die down momentarily, the deacon would stammer out a few words weakly denying the charges. When the grotesque farce concluded, Formosus was convicted on all counts by the court. The sentence imposed by Stephen VII was that all Formosus's acts and ordinations as pope be invalidated, that the three fingers of Formosus's right hand used to give papal blessings be hacked off, and that the body be stripped of its papal vestments, clad in the cheap garments of a lay person, and buried in a common grave. The sentence was rigorously executed. (The body was shortly exhumed and thrown into the Tiber, but a monk pulled it out of the river.)"

If George Bush had the balls that Pope Stephen had, he'd get the 19 alleged hijackers on trial pronto!

Emm Galileo, from your own link.


One thousand one hundred and four years ago a criminal trial took place in Italy, a trial so macabre, so gruesome, so frightful that it easily qualifies as the strangest and most terrible trial in human history.

[DGM]

If George Bush had the balls that Pope Stephen had, he'd get the 19 alleged hijackers on trial pronto!

Whys that? Or are you only capable of repeating other peoples thoughts. BTW still waiting for some proof of..........anything.

[Unfit4Command]

That's where you are dead wrong, there is precedent going back 1110 years for putting dead people on trial.

THE CADAVER SYNOD
http://www.law.uga.edu/academics/profiles/dwilkes_more/his31_cadaver.html

"The trial began when the disinterred corpse of Formosus was carried into the courtroom. On Stephen VII's orders the putrescent corpse, which had been lying in its tomb for seven months, had been dressed in full pontifical vestments. The dead body was then propped up in a chair behind which stood a teenage deacon, quaking with fear, whose unenviable responsibility was to defend Formosus by speaking in his behalf. The presiding judge, Stephen VII, then read the three charges. Formosus was accused of (1) perjury, (2) coveting the papacy, and (3) violating church canons when he was elected pope.

The trial was completely dominated by Stephen VII, who overawed the assemblage with his frenzied tirades. While the frightened clergy silently watched in horror, Stephen VII screamed and raved, hurling insults at and mocking the rotting corpse. Occasionally, when the furious torrent of execrations and maledictions would die down momentarily, the deacon would stammer out a few words weakly denying the charges. When the grotesque farce concluded, Formosus was convicted on all counts by the court. The sentence imposed by Stephen VII was that all Formosus's acts and ordinations as pope be invalidated, that the three fingers of Formosus's right hand used to give papal blessings be hacked off, and that the body be stripped of its papal vestments, clad in the cheap garments of a lay person, and buried in a common grave. The sentence was rigorously executed. (The body was shortly exhumed and thrown into the Tiber, but a monk pulled it out of the river.)"

If George Bush had the balls that Pope Stephen had, he'd get the 19 alleged hijackers on trial pronto!

I hope you're joking. This is quite possibly the most retarded thing I've ever heard, you think the corpses (not that any full corpses were even found) of the hijackers can be put on trial in todays world.

:dl: If you're joking please say so, if not, I'm sorry.

:dl:
I can't believe anyone could possibly think a trial that occurred (I'm not even sure if it happened) in Rome over 1000 years ago could have anything to do with the justice system of the United States today.

[Galileo]

Emm Galileo, from your own link.

Good excuse.

George Bush knows there aren't any bodies to put on trial because the "hijackers" are fictional characters.

That's the real reason he won't put them on trial.

[stateofgrace]

Good excuse.

George Bush knows there aren't any bodies to put on trial because the "hijackers" are fictional characters.

That's the real reason he won't put them on trial.

Please stop Galileo, there is only so many times I am prepared to change my signature.

[DGM]

Good excuse.

George Bush knows there aren't any bodies to put on trial because the "hijackers" are fictional characters.

That's the real reason he won't put them on trial.
Prove it.

[Galileo]

Please stop Galileo, there is only so many times I am prepared to change my signature.

I'd be honored if you could use one of these, or farm them out to your friends:

"If you cheat in solitaire, you're only cheating yourself!"

"If you are what you eat, then cannilbalism is good for you!"

"I'm a herbivorian, I only eat animals that only eat plants!"

"Crack cocaine may be bad for children, but at least it teaches them the metric system!"

[DGM]

"Crack cocaine may be bad for children, but at least it teaches them the metric system!"

So you condone the use of crack by children. Nice.

[JimBenArm]

These people are hopeless. They'll never get it. I'll admit it's kind of funny to read the lies and misinformation these people feed each other.
Hey, I thought you were curled up in your bunker clutching your security blanket to keep us from finding out who you really are.
What happened? Mom kick you out of your fort downstairs?

[stateofgrace]

I'd be honored if you could use one of these, or farm them out to your friends:

"If you cheat in solitaire, you're only cheating yourself!"

"If you are what you eat, then cannilbalism is good for you!"

"I'm a herbivorian, I only eat animals that only eat plants!"

"Crack cocaine may be bad for children, but at least it teaches them the metric system!"

Now, now, you're getting all serious and not saying silly things,well sort of. It is only silly comments that qualify for signature material.I cannot actually see how crack cocaine would teach my children the metric system, maybe you could explain.
Ps, why was WTC 7 demolished ?

[JimBenArm]

dude, not one of the 19 "hijackers" has been found guilty at trial.

Osama bin Laden hasn't even been charged with a 9/11 crime.
Yeah, there are so many trials held with dead defendants. Why, there was one just the other day...
Oh, wait, that guy was still alive. Maybe... nope, he was, too!
Darn, Galileo, can't see where you have a valid point here. Sorry!

[Gravy]

Galileo, if you can produce the U.S. law that allows for a corpse to be tried for a crime, I will send you a lot of money.

What would the maximum sentence be? Life in prison? Death penalty?

[MaGZ]

Do people really believe that?

WTF is wrong with these truthers? There's thousands of people like myself that were in WTC7 that day. The staircases were FILLED . Where are the other people saying the same thing?

DO they really want to believe this insanity so much that they will ignore everything else just to make this fantasy true?


NDBoston,

I am interested in what happened that day inside WTC 7. Could you start with the time of your evacuation from the building?

[Galileo]

Prove it.

Pull it.

[DGM]

Pull it.
I'm sure you must.

[Redtail]

I'm sure you must.

Ba dum dum CRASH!

[Father Dagon]

Wow! Ten times bigger than the great hush-hush floorplans non-story! Let's see now.... I'm not real good at math(s), maybe Newtons Bit or R. Mackey could help me out

10 x 0 = ???Yea, but you assume that Avery knows about correct terminology. The correct equation is:

10 / 0 = OH SHI-

[chipmunk stew]

You have NO EYEWITNESSES of anyone planting explosives in the Seattle Kingdome.
Nominated. (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2823707#post2823707)

[~enigma~]

You have NO EYEWITNESSES of anyone planting explosives in the Seattle Kingdome.Have you been drinking drano again?

[Drudgewire]

I'd be honored if you could use one of these, or farm them out to your friends:

"Crack cocaine may be bad for children, but at least it teaches them the metric system!"
That joke doesn't work with "crack" in it. You buy cocaine by the gram, but crack is measured by dollar amounts. There's nothing metric about a fifty piece.

[GT/CS]

Do you think Galileo makes all these ridiculous posts just to see what holes the truthers need to plug in their theories, and every time we reply we help him in that cause?

[Gravy]

You have NO EYEWITNESSES of anyone planting explosives in the Seattle Kingdome.


Wait...WHAT? (http://www.cbs.com/marketplace/demo.shtml)

http://wwwimage.cbs.com/marketplace/images/demo_large.jpg

[Slayhamlet]

classes.lls.edu/spring2006/animallaw-waisman/documents/handout4A.pdf
*Caution - PDF document - don't click unless you wish to run Acrobat Reader*

SECTION 1. HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE
THE CRIMINAL PROSECUTION AND CAPITAL PUNISHMENT OF ANIMALS
E. P. EVANS

(Faber & Faber Ltd., repub. 1987) (orig. pub. 1906)

[...]

In 1519, the community of Stelvio, in Western Tyrol, instituted criminal proceedings against the moles or field-mice, which damaged the crops "by burrowing and throwing up the earth, so that neither grass nor green thing could grow." But "in order that the said mice may be able to show cause for their conduct by pleading their exigencies and distress," a procurator, Hans Grinebner by name, was charged with their defence, "to the end that they may have nothing to complain of in these proceedings." Schwarz Mining was the prosecuting attorney, and a long list of witnesses is given, who testified that the serious injury done by these creatures rendered it quite impossible for tenants to pay their rents. The counsel for the defendants urged in favour of his clients the many benefits which they conferred upon the community, and especially upon the agricultural class by destroying noxious insects and larvae and by stirring up and enriching the soil, and concluded by expressing the hope that, if they should be sentenced to depart, some other suitable place of abode might be assigned to them. He demanded, furthermore, that they should be provided with a safe conduct securing them against harm or annoyance from dog, cat or other foe. The judge recognized the reasonableness of the latter request, in its application to the weaker and more defenceless of the culprits, and mitigated the sentence of perpetual banishment by ordering that "a free safe-conduct and an additional respite of fourteen days be granted to all those which are with young and to such as are yet in their infancy; but on the expiration of this reprieve each and every must be gone, irrespective of age or previous condition of pregnancy."


Perhaps Galileo will gallantly take it upon himself to file posthumous charges against Mrs. O'Leary's cow* for wanton negligence in starting the Great Chicago Fire of 1871.

*Yes, I know it's folklore.

[chipmunk stew]

Do you think Galileo makes all these ridiculous posts just to see what holes the truthers need to plug in their theories, and every time we reply we help him in that cause?
It would be a victory if we could convince truthers to recognize the holes in their arguments. Alas, they continue to plug the holes with nonsense rather than abandon their hopeless arguments.

Plugging holes is the wrong goal, so anything we might do to help them in that regard is not helping them build a strong argument.

[Unfit4Command]

Pull it.

Are you suggesting that "Pull it" means to demolish a building with explosives? If so, I suggest you read Gravy's excellent WTC 7 paper.

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/introduction There ya go, read up.:)

[beachnut]

Do you think Galileo makes all these ridiculous posts just to see what holes the truthers need to plug in their theories, and every time we reply we help him in that cause?
That is funny. If they plug all the holes they will not have any more lies.

I think a lot of people have thought that, but that takes planning and research, which the truth movement is not capable of. Galileo must be 15, he found the lies of 9/11 truth and thinks they are true. He is incapable of understanding that 9/11 truth is all false.

[~enigma~]

Are you suggesting that "Pull it" means to demolish a building with explosives? If so, I suggest you read Gravy's excellent WTC 7 paper.

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/introduction There ya go, read up.:)
Hey...unfit guy...you forgot the video by bolo....now drop and give me 50.

[Unfit4Command]

Hey...unfit guy...you forgot the video by bolo....now drop and give me 50.

The name is "Unfit" or "Unfit4Command" to you. Also, you didn't post a link to the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT0WjGyZW1M

HA! Beat you to it!:)

[~enigma~]

The name is "Unfit" or "Unfit4Command" to you. Also, you didn't post a link to the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT0WjGyZW1M

HA! Beat you to it!:)

Ok then my error gets you off this time...

[8den]

Wait...WHAT? (http://www.cbs.com/marketplace/demo.shtml)

http://wwwimage.cbs.com/marketplace/images/demo_large.jpg


You guys demolished the KingDome? Back in '98 I spent an interminable night there trying to follow that unspeakably dull sport you call baseball.

[Loss Leader]

Good excuse.

George Bush knows there aren't any bodies to put on trial because the "hijackers" are fictional characters.

That's the real reason he won't put them on trial.


I read about it but I didn't believe it.

Galileo, I am a graduate of a top 25 law school. I am admitted to the practice of law in both New York and Georgia. I have been a practicing attorney for over ten years. I am a published author on legal subjects and I have taught in the paralegal program at my local community college.

From a position of professional expertise, I can tell you catagorically that yours is the single dumbest statement about the law that I have ever read. Without qualification, I have never seen an idea so utterly devoid of merit written by anyone of any age, ability or education.

Even quoting Billy Madison would not appropriately convey the sheer inanity and meaninglessness of your concept.

May God have mercy on your soul.

[twinstead]

If the slow but inexorable shift of gears that happens to new readers of this thread as they travel from "he is obviously joking" to "oh my God this dude is serious!" could be harnessed, it could power a small city for 30 days.

[lapman]

If the slow but inexorable shift of gears that happens to new readers of this thread as they travel from "he is obviously joking" to "oh my God this dude is serious!" could be harnessed, it could power a small city for 30 days.
How very true! :idea:

[Galileo]

UPDATE!

Just got another email from my fan club:

"Subject: GHOULIANI....

You're on fire tonight.

Ghoul-iani. I love it.

stateofgrace is using your quotes in his signature. That means you are bumping the ones that were previously there by A-Train.

Now you're getting into the cadaver trial. Awesome."

[8den]

UPDATE!

Just got another email from my fan club:

"Subject: GHOULIANI....

You're on fire tonight.

Ghoul-iani. I love it.

stateofgrace is using your quotes in his signature. That means you are bumping the ones that were previously there by A-Train.

Now you're getting into the cadaver trial. Awesome."

Congratulations crazy people think you're the "shizzle"

On the other hand, anyone who's even vaguely on speaking terms with reality begs to differ.

[afinemadness]

I read about it but I didn't believe it.

Galileo, I am a graduate of a top 25 law school. I am admitted to the practice of law in both New York and Georgia. I have been a practicing attorney for over ten years. I am a published author on legal subjects and I have taught in the paralegal program at my local community college.

From a position of professional expertise, I can tell you catagorically that yours is the single dumbest statement about the law that I have ever read. Without qualification, I have never seen an idea so utterly devoid of merit written by anyone of any age, ability or education.

Even quoting Billy Madison would not appropriately convey the sheer inanity and meaninglessness of your concept.

May God have mercy on your soul.

But the quote does fit.
Using his logic maybe we can clear up a few other cases. Let's try Oswald and all of the homicide bombers in Iraq and around the world. Hey if death is not an impediment maybe we could even try historical figures. Anyone interested in putting Hitler or Stalin on trial.

[Galileo]

Galileo, if you can produce the U.S. law that allows for a corpse to be tried for a crime, I will send you a lot of money.

What would the maximum sentence be? Life in prison? Death penalty?

Here's what they outta do....

The dead hijackers should be brought into open court. If their bodies cannot be found, the red bandanna, Atta's will, Satam al Suqami's passport, and a bag of dust subpoenaed from Stephen Jones can stand in.

After they are convicted, they should be forced to watch the video 'Charlie The Unicorn'.

Charlie The Unicorn
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4870826414304316139&q=charlie+the+unicorn&total=2332&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

Then they should be forced to write 101 times on the blackboard "Barry Jenning's testimony is fantasy, Barry Jenning's testimony is fantasy, Barry Jenning's testimony is fantasy, etc."

After that, they should be sentenced to death on all three counts; murder, kidnapping, and aircraft piracy.

These death sentences must be served consecutively.

PS - if the dead hijackers can't afford an attorney, perhaps General Mahmood Ahmed could wire them some money?

[Galileo]

I read about it but I didn't believe it.

Galileo, I am a graduate of a top 25 law school. I am admitted to the practice of law in both New York and Georgia. I have been a practicing attorney for over ten years. I am a published author on legal subjects and I have taught in the paralegal program at my local community college.

From a position of professional expertise, I can tell you catagorically that yours is the single dumbest statement about the law that I have ever read. Without qualification, I have never seen an idea so utterly devoid of merit written by anyone of any age, ability or education.

Even quoting Billy Madison would not appropriately convey the sheer inanity and meaninglessness of your concept.

May God have mercy on your soul.

Like to toot your own horn, eh?

Are you one of those "conservative" lawyers who thinks the War on Drugs is Constitutional?

[sort of like the War on Alcohol was constitutional BEFORE the 18th Amendment]

Can you enlighten us....

Has evidence of explosions ever been used as evidence of explosives in a court proceeding?

What is your analysis of the testimony provided by Barry Jennings?

[~enigma~]

Whole bunch of pdope stupidity
This is a new low even for an idiot like you.

[8den]

Like to toot your own horn, eh?



This from a guy who claims he's descended from half a dozen historical figures and this somehow translates that this gives you keen insight into scientific and military matters?

Really?

[T.A.M.]

you know what, we have all tolerated alot of your shaite here, Galileo, but this most recent post (#680) is pushing to far, it is in poor, horrible, taste. Please refrain from posting things like this in the future.

TAM:)

[T.A.M.]

Like to toot your own horn, eh?

Are you one of those "conservative" lawyers who thinks the War on Drugs is Constitutional?

[sort of like the War on Alcohol was constitutional BEFORE the 18th Amendment]

Can you enlighten us....

Has evidence of explosions ever been used as evidence of explosives in a court proceeding?

What is your analysis of the testimony provided by Barry Jennings?

You are acting like a child. I have been here for a year, and made over 6,000 posts, and not once, unless asked, have I seen Loss Leader "brag" or "toot his own horn".

TAM:mad:

[twinstead]

Humor? Crazy? No, now it all just seems like a child arguing an untenable theory and sticking his fingers in his ears saying "LA LA LA LA" when faced with adults who put him in his place.

[CHF]

What is your analysis of the testimony provided by Barry Jennings?

Old news (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=85646)

Try to keep up, mmmkay?

[Viper Daimao]

:troll

[Foolmewunz]

Like to toot your own horn, eh?

No. He's merely citing his credentials in relation to your stupid idea that because some idiot a thousand years ago tried a deceased person we should do so again. Gee, ya think this nostalgia craze will bring back the bubonic plague? That was real popular long ago, too.

Are you one of those "conservative" lawyers who thinks the War on Drugs is Constitutional?

[sort of like the War on Alcohol was constitutional BEFORE the 18th Amendment]

And this is related to this thread topic, how? Another chance to show off your erudition? I guess you were related to Legs Diamond, too.

Can you enlighten us....

All signs point to NO.

Has evidence of explosions ever been used as evidence of explosives in a court proceeding?

Only in your fevered imagination would this question make sense.

What is your analysis of the testimony provided by Barry Jennings?

He has not given testimony. He's been interviewed. He hasn't been deposed nor cross-examined. Maybe you could get this brought up before the San Diego Kangaroo Kourt. Sounds like something worthy of their valiant efforts.

[Par]

Like to toot your own horn, eh?

Are you one of those "conservative" lawyers who thinks the War on Drugs is Constitutional?

[sort of like the War on Alcohol was constitutional BEFORE the 18th Amendment]

Can you enlighten us....

Has evidence of explosions ever been used as evidence of explosives in a court proceeding?

What is your analysis of the testimony provided by Barry Jennings?



I suspect you’re rather desperately attempting to shift the focus of the discussion away from your embarrassingly foolish claims about trying corpses.

[stateofgrace]

UPDATE!

Just got another email from my fan club:

"Subject: GHOULIANI....

You're on fire tonight.

Ghoul-iani. I love it.

stateofgrace is using your quotes in his signature. That means you are bumping the ones that were previously there by A-Train.

Now you're getting into the cadaver trial. Awesome."

Awesome is not actually a word that springs to mind when describing your inane rants but despite your recent valiant attempts to post even more inane insanity I will not change my signature again, doing so becomes tiresome.

I cannot actually imagine anybody who would admire you and believe you are "on fire", other than an a very silly person, just like yourself. Are you sure that you actually have fans? Or are you once again making it all up and living the great twoofer fantasy?

To save people time and effort could you just post your thoughts into this thread from now on?

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=88804

Ta.

[Galileo]

you know what, we have all tolerated alot of your shaite here, Galileo, but this most recent post (#680) is pushing to far, it is in poor, horrible, taste. Please refrain from posting things like this in the future.

TAM:)

Sometimes when you enter the arena, you need thick skin.

[HyJinX]

...and apparently some need thick heads as well.

[~enigma~]

Sometimes when you enter the arena, you need thick skin.
And in your case it's a thick or better yet dense brain incapable of thought.

:duel

[T.A.M.]

Sometimes when you enter the arena, you need thick skin.

This is not an arena, trust me...people here are playing with you, like cats with balls of wool...

TAM:)

[T.A.M.]

Sometimes when you enter the arena, you need thick skin.

This is not an arena, trust me...people here are playing with you, like cats with balls of wool...

TAM:)

[Stellafane]

Sometimes when you enter the arena, you need thick skin.

A functional brain is probably better. Oh, and arms -- don't want to go into those intellectual battles unarmed now, do we?

[beachnut]

Galileo could be a sock of Dylan trying to act like an adult, or a LCF standard truth poster.

[HyJinX]

A functional brain is probably better. Oh, and arms -- don't want to go into those intellectual battles unarmed now, do we?

:big:

Now that was funny. I don't think he'll get it though.

[~enigma~]

Galileo could be a sock of Dylan trying to act like an adult, or a LCF truth poster.
Galileo is a sock of PDOPE. Remember someone posting that he hasn't created a sock in a while. Do you think that wasn't an engraved invitation to the skunk? He has two other active socks at the moment...well actually it looks like one and the other is taking english lessons to/two/too find out the proper use of the word two/too/to.

[Galileo]

Galileo is a sock of PDOPE. Remember someone posting that he hasn't created a sock in a while. Do you think that wasn't an engraved invitation to the skunk? He has two other active socks at the moment...well actually it looks like one and the other is taking english lessons to/two/too find out the proper use of the word two/too/to.

You guys are just jealous, because post # 680 is the most clever post in the history of the JREF forums. It raises pertinent issues regarding the collapse of WTC 7.

[~enigma~]

You guys are just jealous, because post # 680 is the most clever post in the history of the JREF forums. It raises pertinent issues regarding the collapse of WTC 7.
OK mods, want him to give you an engraved confession?

[afinemadness]

You guys are just jealous, because post # 680 is the most clever post in the history of the JREF forums. It raises pertinent issues regarding the collapse of WTC 7.


We have located the one person on the planet that has less grounding in reality than Malcolm.

[HyJinX]

Hi PDoh!!!

Sure do miss you over at SLC...well...actually not.

[8den]

Hi PDoh!!!

Sure do miss you over at SLC...well...actually not.


Oh what happened to Pete?

[HyJinX]

Brutally assaulted by a mob of gauntly supermodels.

[Loss Leader]

Like to toot your own horn, eh?


I just wanted to highlight that mine was a professional opinion.


Are you one of those "conservative" lawyers who thinks the War on Drugs is Constitutional?


What? What does that have to do with anything? For what it's worth, I think you're using the word "constitutional" wrong. Also, the so-called "war on drugs" is an umbrella term for federal, state and local foreign policy, education and domestic police efforts. I don't know which aspect you're referring to. In any case, constitutional or not, I believe much of the so-called "war on drugs" is politically wrong-headed and I would support a shift of priorities away from it.

[sort of like the War on Alcohol was constitutional BEFORE the 18th Amendment]


This makes no sense.


Can you enlighten us....

Has evidence of explosions ever been used as evidence of explosives in a court proceeding?


You're using the word "evidence" wrong. Evidence tends to make a proposition more or less true. Evidence does not conclusively prove a proposition. So, since explosives cause explosions, an explosion is evidence that there may have been explosives. However, since other things can cause explosions, an explosion does not prove use of explosives. Any contention that the explosion was caused by something else would be relevant.


What is your analysis of the testimony provided by Barry Jennings?


I have never heard of the man until just now. However, you are asking for an opinion about a matter of fact. This is different from my earlier opinion about trying dead people as that involved only a matter of law. I cannot speak knowledgeably about the truthfulness of any particular statement as I am not an expert in that event. I'm an expert in law.

Also, it appears from other posters that Barry Jennings has never given testimony. He has never testified under oath or been cross-examined. Under those circumstances, there is nothing for me to analyze.

[Par]

At this point, "Galileo" reminds me of a fatigued child who’s just lost at chess and hasn’t taken it very well. He’s started moving some of the pieces in nonsense directions, knocking other pieces over and generally being belligerent and somewhat puerile. In other words, it’s time we put him to bed.

[~enigma~]

At this point, "Galileo" reminds me of a fatigued child who’s just lost at chess and hasn’t taken it very well. He’s started moving some of the pieces in nonsense directions, knocking other pieces over and generally being belligerent and somewhat puerile. In other words, it’s time we put him to bed.
CHECK :D

[T.A.M.]

Here are some "Explosion" videos for you Galileo. Please note, that no EXPLOSIVES were used in the making of these videos...

http://www.clipaday.com/videos/aerosol-can-explosion

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2674646408572574875

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5s6ma8VdMM&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1B_48tSfb78&mode=related&search=

http://thatvideosite.com/video/1484

TAM:)

A few more:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP2PyyWn1QE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnJ6ceVoZgg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDYTdpLV0DY

[~enigma~]

Here are some "Explosion" videos for you Galileo. Please note, that no EXPLOSIVES were used in the making of these videos...

http://www.clipaday.com/videos/aerosol-can-explosion

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2674646408572574875

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5s6ma8VdMM&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1B_48tSfb78&mode=related&search=

http://thatvideosite.com/video/1484

TAM:)

A few more:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP2PyyWn1QE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnJ6ceVoZgg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDYTdpLV0DY
Were they dolphin friendly?

[T.A.M.]

PETA approved no less...lol

TAM:)

[LashL]

You still have not answered the questions that I asked previously. One might begin to think that you are dodging them.


Actually, no. You have still not provided any evidence whatsoever of explosives.

Mr. Jennings has not provided any evidence of explosives. So, yes, your hypothetical scenario is still hypothetical.

Really? Why are you having such a difficult time identifying that "exact location" to which you have referred repeatedly? As an aside, should I take from your comment that you accept that NIST is correct in its findings with regard to WTC1 and WTC2? (I happen to think that they are, but I am interested in your view on all of the previous NIST reports.)

It most certainly is no such thing. And, by the way, you didn't answer my question previously, so I will ask it again here: who is the accused in this imaginary trial?

Your response:
SMOKE is evidence of FIRE!

Kindly answer the questions asked, instead of one not asked. I have bolded them for your ease of reference.

[SpitfireIX]

Galileo, if you can produce the U.S. law that allows for a corpse to be tried for a crime, I will send you a lot of money.

What would the maximum sentence be? Life in prison? Death penalty?


:dl: :dl: :dl:


Love your new avatar, BTW. :)

[GlennB]

You guys are just jealous, because post # 680 is the most clever post in the history of the JREF forums. It raises pertinent issues regarding the collapse of WTC 7.

Galileo is just a troll, having "a laugh" without realising the offence he/she is causing.

Ignore.

[stateofgrace]

We have located the one person on the planet that has less grounding in reality than Malcolm.

Impossible, oh wait,

You guys are just jealous, because post # 680 is the most clever post in the history of the JREF forums. It raises pertinent issues regarding the collapse of WTC 7.

I stand corrected.

[SpitfireIX]

Perhaps Galileo will gallantly take it upon himself to file posthumous charges against Mrs. O'Leary's cow* for wanton negligence in starting the Great Chicago Fire of 1871.

*Yes, I know it's folklore.


Trivia: Does anyone know what's on the site of Mrs. O'Leary's house today?

The Chicago Fire Department's training academy. :D

[Dr Adequate]

You guys are just jealous, because post # 680 is the most clever post in the history of the JREF forums. Usually it takes good sex to make me feel happy for a week, but this post might just have the same effect. Ask me in seven days.

[8den]

At this point, "Galileo" reminds me of a fatigued child who’s just lost at chess and hasn’t taken it very well. He’s started moving some of the pieces in nonsense directions, knocking other pieces over and generally being belligerent and somewhat puerile. In other words, it’s time we put him to bed.

Richie "So the bent vicar stands next to the Queen And the Queen goes goes in every directions?"

Eddie "That's right."

Richie "And they let children play this!"

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4hA0WjUTR2c

[Galileo]

Who put the alarm system in WTC 7 on "Test Status" for 8 hours starting at 6:47 a.m. on September 11, 2001?

Who took it off Test Status at 2:47 p.m.?

Under whose orders? Why?

Why did the alarm system record only one event that day?

Why did it not record the collapse of the North Tower?

How do you know there was a fire in the building, if the alarm system did not record it?

Where are the surveilance videos from WTC 7?

[T.A.M.]

Who put the alarm system in WTC 7 on "Test Status" for 8 hours starting at 6:47 a.m. on September 11, 2001?

Who took it off Test Status at 2:47 p.m.?

Under whose orders? Why?

Why did the alarm system record only one event that day?

Why did it not record the collapse of the North Tower?

How do you know there was a fire in the building, if the alarm system did not record it?

Where are the surveilance videos from WTC 7?


Answers:
1.NWO, 2.NWO Commanders, 3.part of the mission, 4.because we programmed it to only record one event, 5. Because we programmed it not to, 6. Because we caused the fire., 7. I have the videos in my personal collection.

GAL:

You get a chance to watch the videos of "explosions" I listed up above for you?

TAM;)

[Galileo]

Answers:
1.NWO, 2.NWO Commanders, 3.part of the mission, 4.because we programmed it to only record one event, 5. Because we programmed it not to, 6. Because we caused the fire., 7. I have the videos in my personal collection.

GAL:

You get a chance to watch the videos of "explosions" I listed up above for you?

TAM;)

That's a non-answer.

What does NWO mean?

[Gravy]

What does NWO mean?We could tell you, but it wouldn't mean anything to you unless you have the decoder ring, and you don't have the decoder ring.

[T.A.M.]

I have answered your questions GAL. You can choose to believe them or not, that is up to you, but I HAVE answered them...lol

TAM;)

[Galileo]

We could tell you, but it wouldn't mean anything to you unless you have the decoder ring, and you don't have the decoder ring.

Who put the alarm system on TEST Status?

[Gravy]

Who put the alarm system on TEST Status?Richard Perle.

[Galileo]

Richard Perle.

Is this confirmed by video surveillance? What is your best evidence?

[Viper Daimao]

Is this confirmed by video surveillance? What is your best evidence?

The deceased corpse of Mohammed Atta admitted it under cross examination.

[LashL]

Is this confirmed by video surveillance? What is your best evidence?

It was the top answer on an internet poll.

[Galileo]

The deceased corpse of Mohammed Atta admitted it under cross examination.

I'll take that as a "no".

They never found Atta's body, nor those of 1100 other WTC victims.

Who put the WTC 7 alarm system on TEST Status at 6:47 a.m. and why?

[Galileo]

It was the top answer on an internet poll.

Galileo doesn't believe you vote for the TRUTH.

[Viper Daimao]

I'll take that as a "no".

They never found Atta's body, nor those of 1100 other WTC victims.


Proof?

[DGM]

I'll take that as a "no".

They never found Atta's body, nor those of 1100 other WTC victims.

Who put the WTC 7 alarm system on TEST Status at 6:47 a.m. and why?
The alarm tester guy, To test it.

[GlennB]

Who put the alarm system on TEST Status?

The battery backup on the timer card ran out, so it reset to default mode after a power flicker.
My central heating is doing this lately.

Oh feck, my house just imploded.

[LashL]

Galileo doesn't believe you vote for the TRUTH.

Ahem.

1) The internet poll to which I referred is fictional - clearly, you did not get the
joke;
2) If it were real, how on earth would you take from its mere existence that I
had personally voted in it?;
3) If it were real, how on earth would you know how I voted?;
4) You have no idea what "the TRUTH" is; and,
5) What is it with twoofers referring to themselves in the third person?

[lapman]

What does NWO mean?
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/1749546b39d619f5f9.png

[Galileo]

Proof?

You prove he was on the plane first, and not back at the strip club tooting it up.

[defaultdotxbe]

You prove he was on the plane first, and not back at the strip club tooting it up.
the boarding list shows that he got on the plane, in the light of this evidence i believe it up to you to show he wasnt onthe plane

ETA: http://pics.xbehome.com/albums/Manifests/Flight_11_Manifest_a.jpg

[Galileo]

the boarding list shows that he got on the plane, in the light of this evidence i believe it up to you to show he wasnt onthe plane

ETA: http://pics.xbehome.com/albums/Manifests/Flight_11_Manifest_a.jpg

Real terrorists, who are members of secret sleeper cells, use fake names.

There is no video of Atta at Newark, Logan, or JFK airport on the morning of 9/11.

And no one ever found Atta's body either.

The voice of the alleged hijacker, posted on the Washington Post website, sounds like someone with an Israeli accent, and the voice has never been identified as Atta's.

Atta's father told a Cairo newspaper that his son Mohammed called him the day after 9/11.

You are all speculation.

[Galileo]

Ahem.

5) What is it with twoofers referring to themselves in the third person?



I got the idea from Colin Ferguson.

[A-Train]

the boarding list shows that he got on the plane, in the light of this evidence i believe it up to you to show he wasnt onthe plane


No, a boarding list does not show anyone getting on a plane. The boarding list only shows Atta's name on it. That only means either he or someone using his identity boarded the plane. (Of course, even if he did get on the plane, you would also have to show that he participated in the hijacking.)

One thing that would prove who did and did not get on the planes is the surveilance videos of the four boarding gates. Those videos have disappeared, or more likely were never made-- a true smoking gun that 9/11 was an inside job perpetrated by a very sophisticated party with deep connections into the security apparatus at the three airports.

[Gravy]

A-Train, which two brothers died at the Pentagon on 9/11?

[DGM]

No, a boarding list does not show anyone getting on a plane. The boarding list only shows Atta's name on it. That only means either he or someone using his identity boarded the plane. (Of course, even if he did get on the plane, you would also have to show that he participated in the hijacking.)

One thing that would prove who did and did not get on the planes is the surveilance videos of the four boarding gates. Those videos have disappeared, or more likely were never made-- a true smoking gun that 9/11 was an inside job perpetrated by a very sophisticated party with deep connections into the security apparatus at the three airports.
Wrong. You would just claim that the tapes a fake. Sound familiar?
How do you know these tapes existed?

[LashL]

In (sic) got the idea from Colin Ferguson.

The Colin Ferguson who was convicted of murdering six people and injuring nineteen others on the Long Island Rail Road in Garden City, New York in 1993?

The Colin Ferguson who pulled out his gun and started firing at passengers as the train pulled into the station, killing six and wounding another 19 before being stopped by three of the passengers?

The Colin Ferguson who admitted bringing the gun onto the train, but claimed that he fell asleep, and that another man grabbed his gun and began firing?

The Colin Ferguson who argued that a mysterious man named Mr. Su had information concerning a conspiracy against him, and who claimed that he had found another man who was willing to testify that the government implanted a computer chip in Ferguson's brain, but at the last minute decided not to call him to the stand?

Ahh, it begins to makes sense now.

[Galileo]

The Colin Ferguson who was convicted of murdering six people and injuring nineteen others on the Long Island Rail Road in Garden City, New York in 1993?

The Colin Ferguson who pulled out his gun and started firing at passengers as the train pulled into the station, killing six and wounding another 19 before being stopped by three of the passengers?

The Colin Ferguson who admitted bringing the gun onto the train, but claimed that he fell asleep, and that another man grabbed his gun and began firing?

The Colin Ferguson who argued that a mysterious man named Mr. Su had information concerning a conspiracy against him, and who claimed that he had found another man who was willing to testify that the government implanted a computer chip in Ferguson's brain, but at the last minute decided not to call him to the stand?

Ahh, it begins to makes sense now.

Using your name in the third person has nothing to do with murder. Prove the link.

What is your evidence Colin Ferguson used his name in the third person?

You condemn the murder of 6 people, but condone the murder of 3000 innocent people on 9/11?

[defaultdotxbe]

Real terrorists, who are members of secret sleeper cells, use fake names.

i suppose you know this from personal experience?

why would a fake name be necessary for a suicide mission?

There is no video of Atta at Newark, Logan, or JFK airport on the morning of 9/11.
theres no video of me boarding a plane to go boston a few years ago, nor video of me returning, does this mean i never went? or is just the truther theory of "if its not on youtube it doesnt exist"

And no one ever found Atta's body either.
theres lots of bodies they never found, does that mean that no one whos body wasnt found died at the WTC?

Atta's father told a Cairo newspaper that his son Mohammed called him the day after 9/11.
and what does attas father say about what his son did on 9/11?

You are all speculation.
right back at ya

[defaultdotxbe]

Ahem.

5) What is it with twoofers referring to themselves in the third person?

I got the idea from Colin Ferguson.

What is your evidence Colin Ferguson used his name in the third person?

is anyone else confused?

[Gravy]

Galileo, you are behaving like a child with cholic. Do not make false accusations against forum members. If you do so again your post will be reported to the moderators

[Galileo]

i suppose you know this from personal experience?

why would a fake name be necessary for a suicide mission?


theres no video of me boarding a plane to go boston a few years ago, nor video of me returning, does this mean i never went? or is just the truther theory of "if its not on youtube it doesnt exist"


theres lots of bodies they never found, does that mean that no one whos body wasnt found died at the WTC?


and what does attas father say about what his son did on 9/11?


right back at ya

YOU have the burden of proof when you accuse someone of murder, kidnapping and piracy.

Prove Atta was at Logan airport on the morning of 9/11.

Prove Atta got on Flight 11.

Prove Atta was a hijacker.

Prove Atta had a terrorist background.

Both flight attendents said there were FOUR hijackers on Flight 11.

What evidence do you have that there were FIVE hijackers on Flight 11?

[Galileo]

is anyone else confused?

How do you know I didn't get the idea from a DIFFERENT Colin Ferguson?

And just because I got the IDEA from Colin Ferguson, doesn't imply that Colin Ferguson used his name in the third person.

Hope that clears things up for you.