Dylan Avery - Earth-Shattering News Coming Soon (again)

[Foolmewunz]

Yes, it's going to blow the whole thing open!
It is!
I swear!
Really, this time I mean it!
C'mon, stop laughing!
It'll finish the OCT off, fer shure!
Just stay tuned, and can I sell you a t-shirt and a dvd while you're waiting?

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=11006

Originally Posted by Do-Over
Tomorrow on LTW Radio we're gonna broadcast clips from an interview we conducted last Tuesday before we headed to Bonnaroo.

Btw, many many thanks to Travis of SCI for hooking us up.

You've seen him before, in a news interview widely disseminated on the web, but you've never heard from him since. Until now.

He was working in WTC7 on 9/11. And he saw and experienced things that drive a giant nail through the coffin of the official story.

GCN Live, Stream 4, 8 PM Eastern.

I can hardly wait.

:popcorn2 :popcorn2 :popcorn2

Yep! Gonna blow the cover right off of every one of those evil gubmint lies!



And in the same thread, this exciting news. Wow! Infowars posted an article on LTW! I'm just flabbergasted! And they say Dylan can't get any mainstream media coverage! Harrumph!

Originally Posted by Sureshot
Hey Dylan you made infowars:
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/june2007/...b_Interview.htm

[WildCat]

Must be real important if it had to wait until after Bonnaroo!

"And now I will show rock-solid proof that the US government is behind the 9/11 attacks... but first I'm off to see Wolfmother and the White Stripes."

[Foolmewunz]

Must be real important if it had to wait until after Bonnaroo!

"And now I will show rock-solid proof that the US government is behind the 9/11 attacks... but first I'm off to see Wolfmother and the White Stripes."

Offtrack, but a lot of their diversions remind me of that terrific scene at the end of the film "Joe Hill".
After they've executed him, the IWO are scooping teaspoonsful of Joe's ashes into envelopes to send to rallies around the country (a true story), and someone interrupts the workers to tell them there's a cool party going on downstairs. They all get up and leave the ashes sitting there while they go off to attend. And, IIRC, the film ends right there. Pretty beautiful moment that's always stayed in my mind. I have to see if I can find the DVD of that movie to see if I'm remembering correctly.

[rwguinn]

how much shattering can this old planet take?
Between GW, nukes, and Dylan Avery, we'll be lucky to have 3 stones piled atop one another by the 4th of July...

[David Wong]

Waaaaaait a second...

Help me work through this...

Even if they have a witness who, say, saw a bomb in WTC 7... wouldn't that witness be offset by the hundreds who went through the rubble and found no signs of explosives?

Why would that witness count more than all the other ones who say the opposite?



I think I might be onto the flaw in their argument...

[realitybites]

It's ****** sickening how blatant the truth movement has become in their motives.

Promote the radio show. Promote the movie.

If the evidence is that damning, do something with it.

[realitybites]

Waaaaaait a second...

Help me work through this...

Even if they have a witness who, say, saw a bomb in WTC 7... wouldn't that witness be offset by the hundreds who went through the rubble and found no signs of explosives?

Why would that witness count more than all the other ones who say the opposite?



I think I might be onto the flaw in their argument...

Maybe he started subscribing to Lyte-Logic, stating that 1% of eyewitnesses trump the combination of physical evidence and the other 99% of eyewitnesses.

[WildCat]

Maybe he started subscribing to Lyte-Logic, stating that 1% of eyewitnesses trump the combination of physical evidence and the other 99% of eyewitnesses.
Well, he said it was going to be clips from an interview... carefully selected clips I bet!

[realitybites]

Well, he said it was going to be clips from an interview... carefully selected clips I bet!

Well over on the LC forums he states that the video will be put in with LC:FC.

The truth waits for no man!!!

... Unless that man is Dylan Avery and he's got a movie to promote.

[Unsecured Coins]

I think I'm gonna call in for this one

[Foolmewunz]

Oooh, my nipples are getting hard in anticipation!

Regnibrah Posted: Jun 18 2007, 07:15 PM
Is this going to be as big as the WTC floor plans? I hope so.

IVXX Posted: Jun 18 2007, 07:19 PM
10 times bigger than that. ;)

Wow! Ten times bigger than the great hush-hush floorplans non-story! Let's see now.... I'm not real good at math(s), maybe Newtons Bit or R. Mackey could help me out

10 x 0 = ???

[steve s]

Why would that witness count more than all the other ones who say the opposite?


And why would he wait nearly six years to come forward with this earth-shattering info? Only in Twooferland.

Steve S.

[Pardalis]

Oooh, my nipples are getting hard in anticipation!

Waaay too much information there, buddy. :D

[Foolmewunz]

And why would he wait nearly six years to come forward with this earth-shattering info? Only in Twooferland.

Steve S.

I like the part where Dylan says that we've seen him before but he's not been around much... "until now".... !!

Let's see, multiple choice:
a) Because he's nuts.
b) Because he's wrong.
c) Because he has a non-story that DA and IVXX think is going to be another nail in the coffin....
d) He's unheralded and wants some of Wm. Rodriguez's limelight so is now going to embellish his original uninteresting story(ies).

[qarnos]

I know what it's going to be!!!!

An anti-climax.

[a_unique_person]

Oooh, my nipples are getting hard in anticipation!



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Wow! Ten times bigger than the great hush-hush floorplans non-story! Let's see now.... I'm not real good at math(s), maybe Newtons Bit or R. Mackey could help me out

10 x 0 = ???

I think I have to agree with you, 0.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Dang. If I had seen this thread before, I would have posted this (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2701187&postcount=970) here instead...

[Foolmewunz]

I think I have to agree with you, 0.

Peer Review At Its Best! I knew it'd pay to hang out with you guys with all the book learning!

[Pardalis]

I would have posted this (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2701187&postcount=970) here instead...

backpfeifengesicht

[qarnos]

Dang. If I had seen this thread before, I would have posted this (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2701187&postcount=970) here instead...

We really need warning for pictures like that.

[Redtail]

Awww man I already used this one today... <sigh> Oh well it fits:

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_120444643b1605dfdc.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=5676)

[Cl1mh4224rd]

backpfeifengesicht

lol! I had to look that up... Yes. :)

[Redtail]

Dang. If I had seen this thread before, I would have posted this (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2701187&postcount=970) here instead...

JINX!!!! You owe me a coke.:p

[Foolmewunz]

Dang. If I had seen this thread before, I would have posted this (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2701187&postcount=970) here instead...

That pic reminds me of another great diabolical plan I hatched on night to get rid of Dylan.

Get a local congressman in an obscure district to attach a rider to the next pork barrel bill that's bound to pass....

Make it illegal to smirk!

Dylan would be off to the FEMA Death Camps in an hour. I've never seen the guy without that annoying self-satisfied smirk on his face.

[Pardalis]

lol! I had to look that up... Yes. :)

It was a reference to this post (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2689851&postcount=10) made earlier. :D

[LashL]

lol! I had to look that up... Yes. :)

So did I.

And, yes, it certainly fits.

[LashL]

<snip> I've never seen the guy without that annoying self-satisfied smirk on his face.

Ohhh, you've never seen the Hardfire debate that he attended (but never showed up for) vs. Gravy? Throughout that entire debacle, he vacillated between the brain-dead look and the deer-in-the-headlights look. His usual annoying, self-satisfied smirk was noticably absent. ;)

[Foolmewunz]

Ohhh, you've never seen the Hardfire debate that he attended (but never showed up for) vs. Gravy? Throughout that entire debacle, he vacillated between the brain-dead look and the deer-in-the-headlights look. His usual annoying, self-satisfied smirk was noticably absent. ;)

I watched it, but on a small laptop screen, so couldn't really make out the faces too clearly. I guess I just projected the smirk on his face since that's all I've ever seen in his PR shots and other stills. Heck, he even writes with a smirk.

[PhantomWolf]

Ohhh, you've never seen the Hardfire debate that he attended (but never showed up for) vs. Gravy? Throughout that entire debacle, he vacillated between the brain-dead look and the deer-in-the-headlights look. His usual annoying, self-satisfied smirk was noticably absent. ;)

That little change was all that allowed me to know that Gray wasn't debating Bevis and a cardboard cutout.

[Alareth]

Maybe he started subscribing to Lyte-Logic, stating that 1% of eyewitnesses trump the combination of physical evidence and the other 99% of eyewitnesses.


The only valid witnesses are the ones the support Twoof

[Foolmewunz]

On a serious note, something in that thread on LCF that stands out is that he's still wandering around collecting "evidence" on June 12, 2007, yet claims that LCFC is ready for distribution on September 7, 2007.

IVXX has told the mob that he's seen the interview, and that they're going to have to wait until LCFC hits the theatres to actually see it! So this newly gathreed material is going into Final Cut? They cannot be serious!

Post-production is one thing, but actually still gathering material for a schlocumentary 86 days before its theatrical release is just plain absurd. Anyone who's ever edited even ten minutes of film or video can tell you that the latest insert could change the entire ordering of the piece you're doing. To have to decide what to do with and where to place exciting new footage/material with could mean you start over entirely. Not that it's not possible... but I don't know of anyone who would have a final and oft-delayed release date announced and then go out looking for material. The efforts would be in polishing what you've already got and punching it up.

What are they doing, milking their new executive producer, AJ, for any lead to any piece of crap they can insert to make the new edition unique?

[Shrinker]

Post-production is one thing, but actually still gathering material for a schlocumentary 86 days before its theatrical release is just plain absurd. Anyone who's ever edited even ten minutes of film or video can tell you that the latest insert could change the entire ordering of the piece you're doing. To have to decide what to do with and where to place exciting new footage/material with could mean you start over entirely. Not that it's not possible... but I don't know of anyone who would have a final and oft-delayed release date announced and then go out looking for material. The efforts would be in polishing what you've already got and punching it up.


I think you're overestimating Avery's insight into production. He probably just keeps tacking the new stuff on the end. The film will be ready when it hits 2 hours running time.

[PhantomWolf]

I don't know of anyone who would have a final and oft-delayed release date announced and then go out looking for material.

About the only reason I could think to do it is that when you were editting it together you found that you needed an extra scene or shot or item in a section to make it work, at which time you'd go back and get it on pickups, but to still be getting primary footage 90 days out.....

[uk_dave]

It's amazing to think that this small group of individuals have managed to collect together 'solid' evidence that their own government killed 3000 of their fellow citizens in 2001 and then used these deaths as justification to invade and occupy two completely 'innocent' mid-east countries, and that they have made a film of this evidence laying it all out in easy to understand cgi and interviews...and yet they won't release the film until the time is right to maximise sales...ermmmm ummmm I mean 'viewers'.

I mean, what if the perps do a runner before then? Don't they have any sense?

oooops

I meant: Don't they have any sense of urgency?

Or maybe I was right the first time.

[jhunter1163]

I like the word "schlocumentary". I think I'll use it when referring to LC:FC.

Oh, how the mighty have fallen. From a $20 million budget, Charlie Sheen doing the narration, and 3,000 screens on opening night, Dylan is reduced to one screen on 9/10 somewhere near GZ and adding unsubstantiated crap to his schlocumentary to try and freshen it up for the adoring mass of 30 or so people on LCF.

Someone with Photoshop skills should put Dylan's face on Steve Irwin's body and caption it "The Schlock Hunter". That's all the guy has left. I almost pity him.

[Civilized Worm]

I think I'm gonna call in for this one


You'd better record it!

[60hzxtl]

That pic reminds me of another great diabolical plan I hatched on night to get rid of Dylan.



An IRS audit would do the trick. . .


Is there foreign money being laundered in that little town of Oneonta?

[slyjoe]

I like the word "schlocumentary". I think I'll use it when referring to LC:FC.

Oh, how the mighty have fallen. From a $20 million budget, Charlie Sheen doing the narration, and 3,000 screens on opening night, Dylan is reduced to one screen on 9/10 somewhere near GZ and adding unsubstantiated crap to his schlocumentary to try and freshen it up for the adoring mass of 30 or so people on LCF.

Someone with Photoshop skills should put Dylan's face on Steve Irwin's body and caption it "The Schlock Hunter". That's all the guy has left. I almost pity him.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_158424677f528c54ea.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=6452)

[T.A.M.]

Cant wait...but I will...let me know when he ends up on Hardball, or Larry King, until them....blah blah blah...

TAM:)

[sivazh]

Yes, I've always been concerned by the fact that with so much knowledge of the truth and the vast amount of crimes and murder committed on 9/11, Dylan et all seem to have no interest in going to local, state, federal authorities or the US Attorney, they merely seem to want to promote their movies, books, t-shirts, etc.

Doesn't truth demand justice? Or, does truth enable profit?

[jhunter1163]

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_158424677f528c54ea.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=6452)

BWAHAHA(squared)!!!!!

Beautiful!

[Unsecured Coins]

I need the number to call in

[Undesired Walrus]

On a serious note, something in that thread on LCF that stands out is that he's still wandering around collecting "evidence" on June 12, 2007, yet claims that LCFC is ready for distribution on September 7, 2007.


You thinking like me, that Avery has rather shot himself in the foot by calling it "Final Cut"?

[jhunter1163]

Dylan reminds me of a baseball team down 8-0 going to the bottom of the ninth (or a football team down 5-nil in the 87th minute, for the non-Americans). He knows he has only one last, desperate chance to succeed, so he's going to give it his best shot and throw as much (rule8) at the wall as he can in the hope that something sticks.

[negativ]

I gotta remember to listen when I get home from work.

Anyone care to ask Dylan why Operation Overlord only took about 14-16 months to plan and execute, while he's had several times that to finalize his goofy little movie that consists of almost no original footage?

[Mince]

Non-verbatim quotation by Avery(refering to the new WTC7 witness...who also waited five and a half years to reveal his condemning evidence): "I want to keep this as low-key as possible." ....on a nationally syndicated radio talk show!

These creatures of slime are (seemingly) just trying to make a sales pitch for their video, fearing (rightfully) that it's not going to curry the popularity about which they initially fantasized and duped their minions into believing.

Also, did you hear them say the release date for FC is now "late fall or early winter"? The minions will not be happy. This video has more push-backs and a greater time-delay than Halo 2.

[Mince]

Anyone know who this new alleged witness is? And does anyone know why Alex Jones and his fellow Loose Change geniuses wanted to protect this guy's identity by playing his voice on a nationally syndicated radio show?

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=11055

[Unsecured Coins]

888-259-9231?

[Shrinker]

Oh boy...

"We subsequently went to the stairwell and were going down the stairs, when we reached the sixth floor, the landing that we were standing on gave way, there was an explosion and the landing gave way. I was left there hanging, I had to climb back up and now had to walk back up to the eighth floor. After getting to the eighth floor everything was dark."

"It was totally destroyed, it looked like King Kong had been through it and stepped on it and it was so destroyed i didn't know where I was. It was so destroyed that had to take me out through a hole in the wall, a makeshift hole I believe the fire department made to get me out."http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2007/190607interview.htm

[HannibalGroup]

Call me thick - but doesn't this anonymous testimony actually debunk the theory that building 7 sustained little to no damage, as claimed by the Loose Stools?

[Kent1]

Call me thick - but doesn't this anonymous testimony actually debunk the theory that building 7 sustained little to no damage, as claimed by the Loose Stools?
I'll have to listen to the whole thing when I get home later tonight, but this sounds almost EXACTLY like Barry Jennings story.
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?entity=barry_jennings_1
Also see the links provided by the research site

However the story has now changed to before either towers fell.
However the links tell a different story.

Here's a video of part of his story. I'll have to find the full video at a later time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwc9YtSduJc

[Kent1]

http://z9.invisionfree.com/debunking_911/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=12728069

Here's more.....

[qarnos]

Oh boy...



http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2007/190607interview.htm

Let me quote from that article:

It was at this point that he witnessed a bomb going off inside the building:

"We subsequently went to the stairwell and were going down the stairs, when we reached the sixth floor, the landing that we were standing on gave way, there was an explosion and the landing gave way. I was left there hanging, I had to climb back up and now had to walk back up to the eighth floor. After getting to the eighth floor everything was dark."

Bolding mine.

So at what point did he say he witnessed a bomb going off? :confused:

[Comsat Angel]

Twoofer Logic: If Witness A does not say that they did not hear a bomb going off - then a bomb went off.

[MarkyX]

This had to be the fastest debunking ever. Star witnesse doesn't mention bomb and now the 9/11 Deniers agree that WTC7 was heavily damaged.

[Redtail]

Let me quote from that article:



Bolding mine.

So at what point did he say he witnessed a bomb going off? :confused:

It clearly says EXPLOSION!!! Oh let me guess it was a computer moniter!! LOLZERS!!!11!

[chipmunk stew]

From an interview (http://is124.ce.psu.edu/Edcomm/WITNweb/2423/script.html) Barry Jennings gave that aired on March 1, 2002:

REPORTER:
"Barry Jennings, you were on the 8th floor. You work for the City Housing Department. Explain to me the moment of impact."
BARRY JENNINGS:
"Well, me and Mr. Hess, the corporation counsel were on the 23rd floor. I told him, ‘We gotta get out of here.’ We started walking down the stairs. We made it to the 8th floor. Big explosion. Blew us back into the 8th floor, and I turned to Hess. I said, ‘this is it; we’re dead. We’re not gonna make it out of here.’ I took a fire extinguisher and I bust the window out. That’s when this gentleman here heard my cries for help. This gentleman right here. And he kept saying, ‘Stand by. Somebody’s coming to get you.’ They couldn’t get to us for an hour because they couldn’t find us."
REPORTER:
"You thought that was it."
JENNINGS:
"I thought we were dead. I thought that was it. I started praying to Allah. I said, ‘That’s it; we’re gone.’"
He's quite unambiguously answering a question about the debris impact from the tower collapse.

[Thunder]

This is Dylan's BIG NEWS? How pathetic. Its amazing how the 9-11 Deniers have bought into this crap. Maybe Loose Change really is just about making Dylan rich.

[chipmunk stew]

If this anonymous guy is Barry Jennings, his story has changed a bit. There's a third guy that was rescued with Jennings and Mike Hess, an unnamed security officer. Could be that guy, if not Jennings.

[Foolmewunz]

How many times now is it that the DA brilliance in Public Relations has resulted in him being handed his a**?

If the repetition of a fruitless act is actual proof for insanity, then.....?

If someone can listen (I have to go to work over here in Asia), can you determine if the clips are new or from the old tapes? I'm sure this is someone who can be contacted for verification.

Either they're taking his old stuff out of context, or he's done a bit of embroidery Wm. Rodriguez style.

[Foolmewunz]

They've started a separate thread on the topic on LCF. Seems they're onto the fact that the "LameRef" (hyuk, hyuk, get it??) is onto them. Spin Doctors will be getting ready, and the damned show hasn't even aired yet.

Thanks AJ! More "Peak Truth" in action. Jones had to get something out there to steal the thunder from those meddling kids, so has defanged the broadcast before it starts.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=11055&st=0

[Thunder]

Naa...its Jennings. I guess he didnt get the promotion he wanted to now he is doing interviews for conspiracy theorists.

All is want is for the Deniers to ask him "are you SURE the explosions happened BEFORE the buildings collapsed?"

[Foolmewunz]

Naa...its Jennings. I guess he didnt get the promotion he wanted to now he is doing interviews for conspiracy theorists.

All is want is for the Deniers to ask him "are you SURE the explosions happened BEFORE the buildings collapsed?"

It should be Jennings from AJs description of them finding a tv interview the guy made and then contacting him. (If AJ can be trusted to get anything right.)

Some of the details on AJs page are completely/wildly different, though.

http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/wtc_7_security_official_details_explosions_inside_ building.htm





9/11 Bombshell: WTC7 Security Official Details Explosions Inside Building
Says bombs were going off in 7 before either tower collpased

Infowars Network | June 19, 2007
S. Watson

<snip>

It was at this point that he witnessed a bomb going off inside the building:

"We subsequently went to the stairwell and were going down the stairs, when we reached the sixth floor, the landing that we were standing on gave way, there was an explosion and the landing gave way. I was left there hanging, I had to climb back up and now had to walk back up to the eighth floor. After getting to the eighth floor everything was dark."

The individual in a second clip detailed hearing further explosions and then described what he saw when he got down to the lobby:

"It was totally destroyed, it looked like King Kong had been through it and stepped on it and it was so destroyed i didn't know where I was. It was so destroyed that had to take me out through a hole in the wall, a makeshift hole I believe the fire department made to get me out."

He was then told by firefighters to get twenty blocks away from the area because explosions were going off all over the World Trade Center complex.

The key to this information is that the individual testifies this all happened BEFORE either tower collapsed, thus building 7 was at that point completely undamaged from any falling debris or resulting fires. It also means that explosions were witnessed in WTC7 up to eight hours before its collapse at around 5.30pm.

listen to the clips here .

Avery and Burmas, who played the two short clips of the interview prior to further analysis and more clips to be played on their own GCN radio show later tonight at 7pm CST, further described how the individual had witnessed dead bodies in the lobby of 7 and was told by the police not to look at them.

This is vital information be cause it is in direct conflict with the official claim that no one was killed inside building 7. The 9/11 Commission report did not even mention building, yet here we have a key witness who told them he saw dead people inside the building after explosions had gutted the lower level.

What makes all this information even more explosive is the fact that this individual was interviewed by the 9/11 Commission as they conducted their so called investigation.

[boloboffin]

Dang, you guys are good.

:bounce2

[chipmunk stew]

Naa...its Jennings. I guess he didnt get the promotion he wanted to now he is doing interviews for conspiracy theorists.

All is want is for the Deniers to ask him "are you SURE the explosions happened BEFORE the buildings collapsed?"If that's the case, then his testimony will have to be corroborated by Mike Hess, who was with him at the time, and the guys who rescued them. And since Hess worked for the Man (Rudy Jewliani) the NWO's secret is safe. Plausible deniability--it's a beautiful thing.

*evil laughter*

[Mancman]

From an interview (http://is124.ce.psu.edu/Edcomm/WITNweb/2423/script.html) Barry Jennings gave that aired on March 1, 2002:
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He's quite unambiguously answering a question about the debris impact from the tower collapse.


I'm certain there is a video clip floating around about this. Jennings mentions that the power went out whilst he was in WTC7, and the 'explosion' happened afterwards.

The power went out with the collapse of WTC2.

[chipmunk stew]

WTC7 Security Official Details Explosions Inside Building
If they're describing him as a "security official", it might be the third guy, who has been identified as such. Jennings is described in news stories not in a security role, but as a "City Housing Authority worker" and "Deputy Director, Emergency Services Department, New York City Housing Authority".

[boloboffin]

Aw, geez. Bodies in the lobby? It's almost as if a triage center had been set up in the lobby as people from WTC 1 and 6 filed through. Oh, wait. That's what happened.

NIST NCSTAR 1-8, page 109 (pdf 163)

[Foolmewunz]

So AJ clearly states (see above link in prev post) that the guy works for Giuliani & Partners.

Yet here's Do-Over responding in same thread I cite above.

(Scarecrow @ Jun 19 2007, 04:43 PM)
Looks like the LameRefers have already figured out who this person is.

I would surmise his position with guiliani is in jeopardy. Good luck to him now.

(Dylan Avery @ Jun 19 2007, 05:04 PM)
He doesn't work for Giuliani

And, once again, in that same LCF thread, Dylan indicates he didn't want to break the news in the AJ interview, but Korey had already agreed so he went through with it. I like troofers with honor. (Or is that troofers back-peddling to cover for a stupid mistake.)

[chipmunk stew]

Aw, geez. Bodies in the lobby? It's almost as if a triage center had been set up in the lobby as people from WTC 1 and 6 filed through. Oh, wait. That's what happened.

NIST NCSTAR 1-8, page 109 (pdf 163)
QFE

http://wtc.nist.gov/NISTNCSTAR1-8.pdf

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g73/chipmunk_stew/triage.png

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g73/chipmunk_stew/trapped1.png
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g73/chipmunk_stew/trapped2.png

So, triage in the lobby. Bodies.
WTC1 collapse with some impact on 7. Explosion one.
WTC2 collapse with major impact on 7. Explosion two. Lights go out. Jennings, Hess, and security guy are trapped.

Their testimony matches the actual events. Another non-story.

[Totovader]

Yet again, their earth-shattering evidence is... nothing.

I hope they keep coming up with this earth-shattering evidence- if we've learned anything from the Boy Who Cried Wolf, people will just stop listening to their madness.

[Foolmewunz]

Update from LCF. Dylan and IVXX are debunking the JREF debunking. Essentially they're saying it's not Jennings, if I read all their sooper secret signals correctly.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=11055&st=50

They particularly hate Marky, so they're highlighting his "record debunking" post. I'm sure they're reading to get ready for the 'really big shoe' tonight, so,

Hi Boyz! Have fun storming the castle!

[Kent1]

Compare the voice
From here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwc9YtSduJc

and here:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/audio/190607clips2.mp3

[Arus808]

well, we are not "claiming" its jennings, per se. We are saying that the story matches what Jennings has claimed; however they conveniently ignore the fact that Jennings was with other people as well, who was witness to the same events as Jennings.

But of the other people with jennings, how many of them were "interviewed"> we dont know. Only jennings is on record as being interviewed and only that one time.

Forget the fact that the "anonymous" witness' details do not match the claims put forth by Jennings and the FDNY there. And how can he "know" that the explosions happened before the collapse when he was INSIDE the building in a stairwell?

[SpitfireIX]

This is Dylan's BIG NEWS? How pathetic. Its amazing how the 9-11 Deniers have bought into this crap. Maybe Loose Change really is just about making Dylan rich.


Fixed.

[boloboffin]

After listening to Kent1's links, I personally have no problem claiming the mystery bombshell interviewee to be Barry Jennings.

[e^n]

After listening to Kent1's links, I personally have no problem claiming the mystery bombshell interviewee to be Barry Jennings.

Yeah the similarities have changed my mind slightly. Still the rest of his interview will be interesting when we get to hear it.

[Childlike Empress]

Hey folks, Alex Jones sent me. I want one of these behaviour altering dr *click* dynamite in the garden *click* don't give stuff away *click* west virginia? *click* genesis 666 *click* geronimooooooooooo!!! *beeeeeeeeeep*

[T.A.M.]

has anyone been on here lately to say...

WHO GIVES A F&*K!!

TAM:)

[Unsecured Coins]

I'm on hold

[Kent1]

Yeah the similarities have changed my mind slightly. Still the rest of his interview will be interesting when we get to hear it.
Also read what Dylan said:

You've seen him before, in a news interview widely disseminated on the web, but you've never heard from him since. Until now.

[e^n]

Also read what Dylan said:

You've seen him before, in a news interview widely disseminated on the web, but you've never heard from him since. Until now.

He let it slip, it is Jennings. Coins, if you get on the air, please mention this:

At approximately 9:44 a.m., after the report of a third aircraft heading into the city and news that the Pentagon had been attacked, a Deputy OEM Commissioner ordered the complete evacuation of WTC 7. (Sheirer 2004) This order included the evacuation of the OEM operations center on the 23rd floor.

If the OEM was freshly empty, this would put his arrival within 10-14 minutes of WTC2's collapse, are we to believe he made it to the 6th floor, back to the 8th and then outside in this period of time? I wonder if Dylan knows the period between exiting WTC7 and WTC2's collapse.

[PhantomWolf]

Oh dear, that is so rich, lol. Man how can these guy manage to shoot themselves in the foot when it is stuffed so far down their throat?

[Unsecured Coins]

i'm on

[e^n]

i'm on

Haha you are far too aggressive, if you get the chance to bring up my timeline point I'd appreciate it but if you have some points of your own just ignore me :)

[Unsecured Coins]

wow, i haven't heard Dylan talk that much since... Hardfire

[LashL]

It is Barry - Jason, in a rant, came out and said it on their little radio show, and Dylan had to do damage control again. So, unless the unnamed security worker is also named Barry...

[Unsecured Coins]

and Dylan blurted it out again.

[LashL]

and Dylan blurted it out again.

Yes, indeed. Nice job at flustering them into it, Unsecured Coins :D

[Unsecured Coins]

That wasn't me!! I was just the guy that made them get all defensive and silent about their behavior. Oh Course, P "I still owe Powers 500 Bucks" -doh is tooting his horn about how Dylan "owned me", but once again, I asked questions, got no answers

[Unsecured Coins]

wow... they cut the phone off of me REAL quick, especially when they were going off about how much THEY gave to this and that. Free SPeech my swollen left NUT

[LashL]

wow... they cut the phone off of me REAL quick, especially when they were going off about how much THEY gave to this and that. Free SPeech my swollen left NUT

Yes, it was obvious that they were cutting you off in order to spout off their diatribes, as usual.

[Unsecured Coins]

Oh yeah. I just replayed the call, I got a good laugh when they said "films like Unsecured Coins disrepected the victims"

[SpitfireIX]

Oh dear, that is so rich, lol. Man how can these guy manage to shoot themselves in the foot when it is stuffed so far down their throat?


That's a great line--I might have to steal borrow it. I'd add it to my signature, but I don't have any room left.

[LashL]

Oh yeah. I just replayed the call, I got a good laugh when they said "films like Unsecured Coins disrepected the victims"

Particularly after their numerous disgusting displays of disrespect toward the victims so many times, on so many levels.

It was also funny because not 5 minutes earlier, they pretended not to know what your video was because they get so many of them... or some such nonsense. What a bunch of loons.

[Unsecured Coins]

Whoops!! The horse hockey was flying around too fast, I missed that remark. I mean, I heard it, but it didn't dawn on me to tell them that I haven't made a 9/11 UC vid yet.

And I really wanted to talk about The Kevin Smith Debacle of 2007. Man, I gotta learn not to swear on a radio show dedicated to free speech again.

[LashL]

Whoops!! The horse hockey was flying around too fast, I missed that remark. I mean, I heard it, but it didn't dawn on me to tell them that I haven't made a 9/11 UC vid yet.


To clarify, when I first logged on to listen, you were already on the phone with them so I didn't hear it from the beginning. It sounded like they were talking about a video that you had apparently done, but I could be wrong about that. They were trying to be dismissive by saying that they weren't really aware of Unsecured Coins because they get so much stuff sent to them, etc. but then shortly after you were off the air, they went on about your Unsecured Coins website, proving that they knew exactly what your site is, despite their prior protestations to the contrary.

Also, what I thought they said about your site was to the effect that "websites like Unsecured Coins" (not films) disrespect the victims, etc.

In any event, I am sure that it will be posted online soon enough and we can figure out the exact words used then :) but mostly, they were just ranting nonsense the entire time that I was tuned in. No surprise, there.

These boys can't hold their tongues to save their lives, even when it comes to their "earth shattering" sooper sekrit interviews, which will turn out to be nothing but their own manipulation and twisted interpretation of what they want to hear. It would be sad if they weren't so contemptible.

[Unsecured Coins]

anybody else that listened.. did the show cut out for about a minute near the end of the call?

And you are right, Lash, Dylan said "by making websites like Unsecured Coins, you're the one disrepecting the family members, you are the one making a mockery of the events of September 11th, so I don't want to hear you attack our character, all right?"

and then he challenged us to go call Barry a LIAR to his face.

[MarkyX]

Update from LCF. Dylan and IVXX are debunking the JREF debunking. Essentially they're saying it's not Jennings, if I read all their sooper secret signals correctly.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=11055&st=50

They particularly hate Marky, so they're highlighting his "record debunking" post. I'm sure they're reading to get ready for the 'really big shoe' tonight, so,

Hi Boyz! Have fun storming the castle!

Talk about beating up a strawman. Hey 9/11 Deniers, please tell me where exactly on the quote used in Prison Planet does Barry say the word "bomb" ?

[Foolmewunz]

Well, the censors are in action. At 9:12 pm their time (which would seem to be CST, since it was 10:12 EDT at that time) someone named "Arigold"(I think) posted a comment,....
(I paraphrase)

So it was Barry Jennings after all.

Said comment is now missing on the thread. Only 20 minutes after it was posted. Sorry - I didn't think to do a screenshot - it didn't seem significant.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=11055&st=50

[Unsecured Coins]

in case you need a back up on the phone call, I have it where Dylan says "Go to Barry's face and call him a liar"

[WildCat]

Well another one of douchebag Dylan's earth-shattering revelations turns out to be a dud.

Look on the bright side Loosers, maybe his next one will really be the real deal! Or not... :p

[Unsecured Coins]

in other news, I feel proud that I finally got more than 2 minutes of words out of Dylan.

I HAVE BESTED YOU, GRAVY

[Mr.Herbert]

So, did Dylan admit that it was Jennings??

[Calcas]

Well, the censors are in action. At 9:12 pm their time (which would seem to be CST, since it was 10:12 DST at that time) someone named "Arigold"(I think) posted a comment,....
(I paraphrase)

So it was Barry Jennings after all.

Said comment is now missing on the thread. Only 20 minutes after it was posted. Sorry - I didn't think to do a screenshot - it didn't seem significant.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=11055&st=50

CONFIRMED!!!

That was me (AriGold) and yes they did delete the post. Although they left an earlier post of mine up before they banned me.

But, that leaves no doubt that Jennings is their sooper sekret new witness!

The one that IVXX said would be 10 times more important than the last!!!

LOL!

As usual, you guys smelled this rat out within minutes today. No WONDER they hold us in such contempt!

P.S. Did you like my sn? "Entourage" is the best!

[Unsecured Coins]

pretty much, yeah

[Foolmewunz]

Well another one of douchebag Dylan's earth-shattering revelations turns out to be a dud.

Look on the bright side Loosers, maybe his next one will really be the real deal! Or not... :p

Not far from what I opened this thread with. Maybe Dylan should snip this and just post it every fourth week to keep this shell game going.

Dylan Avery - Earth-Shattering News Coming Soon (again)



Yes, it's going to blow the whole thing open!
It is!
I swear!
Really, this time I mean it!
C'mon, stop laughing!
It'll finish the OCT off, fer shure!
Just stay tuned, and can I sell you a t-shirt and a dvd while you're waiting?

And we should thank Korey and AJ for being so wet with excitement that they prepped us so nicely.

Nice going Unsecured Coins. I don't suppose you had a chance to solicit them for some work doing their next soundtrack. (You do have a synthesizer, right? Just replicate the sound of a toilet flushing.)

[chipmunk stew]

They're constantly posturing as though their ten steps behind is two steps ahead. Delusion? Or salesmanship?

[MarkyX]

As usual, you guys smelled this rat out within minutes today. No WONDER they hold us in such contempt!


I told you, it's a record breaking debunking :cool:

[Foolmewunz]

CONFIRMED!!!

That was me (AriGold) and yes they did delete the post. Although they left an earlier post of mine up before they banned me.

But, that leaves no doubt that Jennings is their sooper sekret new witness!

The one that IVXX said would be 10 times more important than the last!!!

LOL!

As usual, you guys smelled this rat out within minutes today. No WONDER they hold us in such contempt!

P.S. Did you like my sn? "Entourage" is the best!

Ah, I see... so they didn't delete the post because it was making complete jerkwads out of them.

No! It was, uhhh, well let's see... Hmm.... it was because he was banned for ..... well, uh.... posting that message, but that doesn't mean it gave away anything, no we ban people all the time and delete their posts when we do... (What? We don't? You mean all those Troy Sock posts make me out to be a liar. Crap!)
Oh well, then he was an agent, yeah that's it! He was an agent, and for the protection of the sheep.. I mean forum, we had to delete his post.

What's best is DA and IVXX were acting like two high school kids trying to misdirect someone who was guessing out loud and had hit the correct answer in a Trivial Pursuit game! "Ha Ha! They think it's Jennings!" "Yeah, LOL, man!" "They think they know everything!" At least that's in the thread. The PM's must've been.... "OH CRAP, NOW WE HAVE TO INVENT ANOTHER REASON TO DELAY THE OPENING! WHO INVENTED THE JREF, ANYWAY?"

[Unsecured Coins]

Nice going Unsecured Coins. I don't suppose you had a chance to solicit them for some work doing their next soundtrack.


No, but I did offer to do the laugh track

[Calcas]

I'll have to listen to the whole thing when I get home later tonight, but this sounds almost EXACTLY like Barry Jennings story.
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?entity=barry_jennings_1
Also see the links provided by the research site

However the story has now changed to before either towers fell.
However the links tell a different story.

Here's a video of part of his story. I'll have to find the full video at a later time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwc9YtSduJc

It looks like Kent1 wins the prize unless someone else predicted it elsewhere before you did.

Great job!

[Mr.Herbert]

Damn you guys are GOOD !!! Bwahhahahahah that was a faster debunking of the Pentacon.... well not really...Lyte debunked that one himself while he was filming it.

[Kent1]

It looks like Kent1 wins the prize unless someone else predicted it elsewhere before you did.

Great job!
We knew this was coming.
I suspected it might be Barry before he posted the interview.
Jay was the first who brought Jennings to my attention back on May 1st after discussing this article.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/300407wtc7explosions.htm

It was also in this video... you can here Bermas talking about it.
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=1287461440043399975&hl=en-CA

Here it is again in Jones Journal paper....
In the video Loose Change (final cut) there is a tape of a fellow who was trapped in Building 7 before it collapsed, so he’s on the radio, he’s telling how they got out of there. He explained that they were trapped at floor 8, there was an explosion below them and he and his colleague were trapped.
The explosion cut off their escape routes. “There wasn’t any way that we could find to get out.” Now that implies a major explosion. He said the firefighters were able to get through and get to them and get them out of Building 7 before it collapsed. This is strong evidence for a major explosion below floor 8. As scientists we have to include that evidence and not just limit ourselves to floors 8 to 46 as the NIST solicitation requires.

[Foolmewunz]

What's truly amazing is that over at LCF they had not one but two separate threads on this wonderful event.

Now? It's like the scene in a bad western movie....
Cowpoke: Hey, it's kinda quiet tonight.
Marshall: Yeah.... a little too quiet.
(And then the injuns attack!)

There is deathly silence in their usual greasy fanboy threads. This is like their witching hour, normally. Not a peep! They must be sitting around shaking their heads in bewilderment that they fell for yet another of Dylan's scams!

How many rats are left on this sinking ship? They spend more time in political threads than anywhere else.

[CHF]

So.....am I to understand that Dylan's latest smoking gun basically amounts to his inability to tell the difference between "explosion" and "explosive?"

[Mr.Herbert]

All I did was ask for them to confirm the times because they didnt add up to me. Dylan was saying they were trapped for "hours". I was very nice and wanted some clearification.

Well... i hit the refresh button on my browser about 3 minutes later...and viola! "You are not permitted to use this board"

I tried to sign back in and got the same message.

Can anyone tell me if this is a record banning??

[hellaeon]

Dylan, stop being so gutless, come on over and sign up. At least here you'll be banned for breaking rules, not because we dont accept your beliefs.

Your a coward. Lingering and reading the posts.
I thought you compared yourself to people like Nelson Mandela? he went to jail for his fellow black brothers. You wont even goto your most arch evil enemies forum hahaha

Man up.

[Kent1]

All I did was ask for them to confirm the times because they didnt add up to me. Dylan was saying they were trapped for "hours". I was very nice and wanted some clearification.

Well... i hit the refresh button on my browser about 3 minutes later...and viola! "You are not permitted to use this board"

I tried to sign back in and got the same message.

Can anyone tell me if this is a record banning??


They were taken out by firefighters at around 12:15.
The second building fell at about 10:30.

"Well, me and Mr. Hess, the corporation counsel were on the 23rd floor. I told him, ‘We gotta get out of here.’ We started walking down the stairs. We made it to the 8th floor. Big explosion. Blew us back into the 8th floor, and I turned to Hess. I said, ‘this is it; we’re dead. We’re not gonna make it out of here.’ I took a fire extinguisher and I bust the window out. That’s when this gentleman here heard my cries for help. This gentleman right here. And he kept saying, ‘Stand by. Somebody’s coming to get you.’ They couldn’t get to us for an hour because they couldn’t find us."

http://is124.ce.psu.edu/Edcomm/WITNweb/2423/script.html

Hmm... again it seems to match up just fine.

[Foolmewunz]

I'm betting that if the cowards even own up to the fact that they're banning skeptics on sight from those threads that they hide behind the BOOTGU* fallacy.

*BOOTGU - Black Ops Out To Get Us

They're protecting his anonymity. The jackelopes actually said that in one of their threads...

Yeah, Dumb and Dumber go on not just their own radio show, but on Alex, The Bullhorn, Jones' show and leave enough hints that even Shaggy could track him down!

[CHF]

Dylan's really racking up the idiocy but his followers are still hangin' in there waiting for government posts in the revolutionary twoofer government set to seize power any day now.

[steve s]

I must say that this thread has been very entertaining. So DylD'oh originally claimed his sooper seekrit witness wasn't Jennings, but then slips up to reveal that it is him. Is that right? Maybe Do-Over is starting to crack under the pressure.

Steve S.

[beachnut]

All I did was ask for them to confirm the times because they didnt add up to me. Dylan was saying they were trapped for "hours". I was very nice and wanted some clearification.

Well... i hit the refresh button on my browser about 3 minutes later...and viola! "You are not permitted to use this board"

I tried to sign back in and got the same message.

Can anyone tell me if this is a record banning??
You can not question the truth~! No posts for you! Dylan is one of many "soup" Nazis, but with the "truth". Go sign up at PFT. http://z9.invisionfree.com/Pilots_For_Truth/ It could take longer to be banned, they are like a ghost town over there.

[jhunter1163]

All I did was ask for them to confirm the times because they didnt add up to me. Dylan was saying they were trapped for "hours". I was very nice and wanted some clearification.

Well... i hit the refresh button on my browser about 3 minutes later...and viola! "You are not permitted to use this board"

I tried to sign back in and got the same message.

Can anyone tell me if this is a record banning??

Three minutes ties the record for a banning after one's first post. There has been at least one instance of banning before making a post. I believe IP tracing was used in that case.

In any event, well done.

Signed, JHunter1163, Official JREF Ban-Statistician

[Foolmewunz]

I must say that this thread has been very entertaining. So DylD'oh originally claimed his sooper seekrit witness wasn't Jennings, but then slips up to reveal that it is him. Is that right? Maybe Do-Over is starting to crack under the pressure.

Steve S.

Equally interesting is that while banning anyone who's questioning the details or pointing out that it's Jennings, they've left in all the posts proving that his greasy fanboyz didn't even listen to the show nor have a clue that they let slip, flat out, that it's "Barry". They're still anxiously awaiting the release of the film to find out who it is!!!???

As someone said, maybe the "third man" was also named Barry. Maybe he also has a voice that sounds distinctively like Barry Jennings' voice. Maybe it's Barry Manilow? Marion Barry?

Maybe if they and AJ were serious about actually protecting the guy's identity they could've used one of those filters all the kidnappers use in movies?

[ref]

Well, this was fast. I sleep the night, and when I wake up it's all over. Another anti-climax. I think I'll get to work now. Yawn.

[Jay38]

Hi Kent, i see you finally get to use my little research :)

You even used my screenshot from the NIST report :D

We knew this was coming.
I suspected it might be Barry before he posted the interview.
Jay was the first who brought Jennings to my attention back on May 1st after discussing this article.


It was also in this video... you can here Bermas talking about it.


Here it is again in Jones Journal paper....
In the video Loose Change (final cut) there is a tape of a fellow who was trapped in Building 7 before it collapsed, so he’s on the radio, he’s telling how they got out of there. He explained that they were trapped at floor 8, there was an explosion below them and he and his colleague were trapped.
The explosion cut off their escape routes. “There wasn’t any way that we could find to get out.” Now that implies a major explosion. He said the firefighters were able to get through and get to them and get them out of Building 7 before it collapsed. This is strong evidence for a major explosion below floor 8. As scientists we have to include that evidence and not just limit ourselves to floors 8 to 46 as the NIST solicitation requires.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

The complete lack of subtlety and totally incompetent secret-keeping Dylan and his buddies display is utterly amazing.

No doubt he thought he was being a clever hype factory when he first made the announcement.

Mind-boggling...

[Kent1]

Hi Kent, i see you finally get to use my little research :)

You even used my screenshot from the NIST report :D
:cool:

[chillzero]

Guys, tell me something...
I noticed something interesting in those transcripts posted earlier:

The witnesses mention that they heard explosions, and that it felt like bombs went off, so the CTists take this as evidence that bombs went off.

So, what do the CTists make of the mention that it also looked like King Kong had stomped around the place? Is this the next smoking gun? Govt trained giant gorillas trashed the WTC?

[Unsecured Coins]

Govt trained giant gorillas trashed the WTC?

D'oh!! You just gave away the biggest point in LCFC!!

[Gravy]

Guys, tell me something...Huh? Did you say something? I was distracted by the flashing binary system on your chest.

[DGM]

The complete lack of subtlety and totally incompetent secret-keeping Dylan and his buddies display is utterly amazing.

No doubt he thought he was being a clever hype factory when he first made the announcement.

Mind-boggling...
A handful of guys can't keep this little tiny secret, but unknown thousands can keep the conspiracy a secret.:rolleyes:

[Undesired Walrus]

Recording Please!

[chillzero]

D'oh!! You just gave away the biggest point in LCFC!!

LOL!!
Actually, I'm afraid that may be the case :eye-poppi

Huh? Did you say something? I was distracted by the flashing binary system on your chest.

:cool:
Thankee

[Undesired Walrus]

I need to hear Unsecured Coins beautiful voice again! Send me a recording!

[Unsecured Coins]

I need to hear Unsecured Coins beautiful voice again! Send me a recording!

I bet you say that to all the girls. The only part I have is my call, if that's ok

[Undesired Walrus]

I bet you say that to all the girls. The only part I have is my call, if that's ok

post it here! Indeed, I find to be shouting your name a lot when I am having a sexy experience... worrying..

[Unsecured Coins]

don't worry, you're not the only one who shouts "Oh God" during relations.

I'm putting the call on yousendit.com right now for your downloading pleasure. I do admit I got a little flustered in it since mr "You have the floor" Avery and Jason "Dude, dude!!" Bermas kept butting in. Other than that, he does not specificallt answer anything I asked him or presented him with, but he did say he has "cut a check for tens of thousands of dollars" to the Get Well Foundation.

[Unsecured Coins]

The Call

http://download.yousendit.com/2B09339A05333132 (http://download.yousendit.com/2B09339A05333132)

ETA - The only thing I did to this call was added in Ella Fitzgerald's Wacky Dusty to kill the minute or so of dead air in the call near the end.

[Stellafane]

So Avery's epochal announcement amounts to a hill of flatulence? Who would've thought it? Or more precisely, who wouldn't have thought it?

I'd say this is getting silly, but "getting" is entirely superfluous. Instead, I'll say it's becoming increasingly sadder and more pathetic. Avery has devolved into the role of leader at a particularly lame and boring summer camp. Every morning he calls the kids together and shouts "Today will be the best day ever!! We're going to do lots of fun and exciting stuff!!" And the campers, desperately hoping against hope something remotely interesting happens to bust up the monotony, fall for it every time. And every day, it's the same old nothing. After a while, they're actually looking forward to going back to school in the fall. I suspect the 9/11 CTers are pretty much at that point as well.

Used to be a time it was incredibly easy to get rippingly furious at these guys. It's still possible to do so, of course. But now, pity often seems more appropriate.

[Undesired Walrus]

Dylan's 28?

[Unsecured Coins]

that caught me off guard too, I thought he was a snarky teenager!

[Calcas]

Dylan's 28?

Wasn't that Bermas talking at first? Dylan chimed in afterwards.

[T.A.M.]

So for those of us not so versed in Jennings, who he is, and the relevence to da twoof, I get the jist of what his claim is, so how has his story been vetted, and what makes his contribution trivial, or a has been...etc...

TAM:)

[Unsecured Coins]

it's odd how much they sound alike. That would explain why Dylan didn't talk during the hardfire debate. he's a ventriloquist!

[HyJinX]

Posted on Big Mouth's website:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2007/190607interview.htm

[chillzero]

Posted on Big Mouth's website:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2007/190607interview.htm



The interview, to be featured in the forthcoming Final Cut of Loose Change is currently under wraps but the creators have allowed some details to leak purely to protect themselves and the individual involved who has asked to remain anonymous until the film is released.

:confused:
They protect their anonimity by leaking details?

[Unsecured Coins]

not to mention blurting his name out TWICE on air. If I was Barry, I'd sue like all hell and his cousin Larry

[Gravy]

Dylan's 28?Bermas was 26 when I became aware of him, so he may be 28 now. Avery is probably 24.

[Unsecured Coins]

but what I really wanna know is...

at what age do you stop being a snarky teenager?

[Gravy]

but he did say he has "cut a check for tens of thousands of dollars" to the Get Well Foundation.I'm not aware of such an organization. Are you sure you got the name right? I want to be sure it's not the equivalent of George Costanza's "Human Fund."

Edit: He's probably talking about the FealGood Foundation, which he mentions here: http://loosechange911.blogspot.com/

[Unsecured Coins]

Unless I heard it wrong from the call, that's what he said.

[TjW]

The efforts would be in polishing what you've already got and punching it up.


Wouldn't that get his hands all brown and sticky, though?

[Unsecured Coins]

wait, I stand corrected, it was the Feel Good Foundation. I gotta stop multitasking at work

[HyJinX]

In this sense I think the "FealGood Foundation" equates to him, Bermas and Alex Jones getting lap dances from the "Thunder from Down Under" dancers.

[bonavada]

The Call

http://download.yousendit.com/2B09339A05333132 (http://download.yousendit.com/2B09339A05333132)

ETA - The only thing I did to this call was added in Ella Fitzgerald's Wacky Dusty to kill the minute or so of dead air in the call near the end.

seems you've exceeded ypur dl limit my man..........

anyone else go a copy of this somewhere? please?

BV

[Gravy]

NVM: BV said it.

[Unsecured Coins]

hold on. I'm remedying now

[T.A.M.]

ok, so i read the prisonplanet article, and from what I can gather, this guy, Jennings is claiming an explosion occured that left him "hanging" and having to climb up...

So what do we make of this...has this been debunked? Is he a kook, or misquoted? Is he a disgruntled employee, or does he simply get his times wrong?

TAM:)

[HyJinX]

And to add to TAM's post...what about these alleged bodies in the lobby? Any information on this out there?

[Unsecured Coins]

ok try that link again. it should work, but if it doesn't, I'll go to Plan B.

and y'all don't want plan B, do you?

[Foolmewunz]

And to add to TAM's post...what about these alleged bodies in the lobby? Any information on this out there?

Covered earlier, and e^n even got Dylan engaged in the conversation.... it was either

a) the triage center that is referred to in the NIST documentation, or

b) the fantasies of someone who wanted to see bodies in the lobby....


I vote for a).

[Kent1]

Covered earlier, and e^n even got Dylan engage in the conversation.... it was either

a) the triage center that is referred to in the NIST documentation, or

b) the fantasies of someone who wanted to see bodies in the lobby....


I vote for a).


When Barry left the building, it was around 12:15. There was no triage center in WTC7 at that time.
I think he's mixing up various times during the day when he was in the lobby, or maybe the Prison Planet report just gives the impression that he saw the bodies when he was rescued.

[Foolmewunz]

I vote C. None of the above.

It seems when Barry left the building, it was around 12:15. There was no triage center in WTC7 at that time.
Unless he's mixing various times during the day he was in the lobby.

I don't have any hours for the period they set-up the triage centre/center. At what time did they evacuate entirely? Do you have the figures?

I was hoping to give Barry the benefit of the doubt.... Much like we try our damnedest to give Wm. Rodriguez every bit of leeway. I would much prefer that this was "accidental interpretation" (read: "twisting the facts") from the LC boys, and not Barry Jennings making up new crap.

Not that I have anything personally invested in Jennings.... I just don't want to see another "Hey, what about me?" hero.

[Kent1]

I don't have any hours for the period they set-up the triage centre/center. At what time did they evacuate entirely? Do you have the figures?

I was hoping to give Barry the benefit of the doubt.... Much like we try our damnedest to give Wm. Rodriguez every bit of leeway. I would much prefer that this was "accidental interpretation" (read: "twisting the facts") from the LC boys, and not Barry Jennings making up new crap.

Not that I have anything personally invested in Jennings.... I just don't want to see another "Hey, what about me?" hero.


http://wtc.nist.gov/NISTNCSTAR1-8.pdf
Complete evacuation was ordered at 9:45 15 minutes after the triage center was set up. There isn't an exact time mentioned of complete evacuation. When you read the report it appears that Barry was one of the last non firefighter personal to leave the building.
Also, I think the hole he mentioned is correct. its mentioned on page 107 of the NIST report.

I think Barry just has his times wrong.

[Oxigen]

Has anyone considered the fact that this guy might be telling the truth. Am with Apollo on your insistance that you believe NIST tells the whole truth all of the time. Wake up and smell the coffee!!!!!!!!!!!!

[uk_dave]

Has anyone considered the fact that this guy might be telling the truth. Am with Apollo on your insistance that you believe NIST tells the whole truth all of the time. Wake up and smell the coffee!!!!!!!!!!!!

hmmmmmm

Have you considered the fact that people within the 'truth' movement lie almost continuously?

Shall we weigh up the probability?

NIST - A respected organisation :"From automated teller machines and atomic clocks to mammograms and semiconductors, innumerable products and services rely in some way on technology, measurement, and standards provided by the National Institute of Standards and Technology."

'Truther' - Paranoid individual with delusions of grandeur prepared to lie in order to promote their fantasies.

Think I'll give NIST the benefit of the doubt.
How about you?

[slyjoe]

Yes - considered and rejected because of the evidence.

[Gravy]

Hello, Oxigen.
Has anyone considered the fact that this guy might be telling the truth.Do you mean Barry? Who says he's lying?

Am with Apollo on your insistance that you believe NIST tells the whole truth all of the time.Feel free to point out examples of NIST not tellng the truth. Are you also with Apollo that 9/11 was not an inside job, and that sufficient energy was available in the upper portions of the towers to make global collapse inevitable once the collapses began?

Wake up and smell the coffee!!!!!!!!!!!!Autoeditor intervention: You have exceeded your exclamation punctuation quota for the month of June, 2007.

[T.A.M.]

Oh boy, another one...

When we said we were bored, we didnt say it to cause a sudden influx of this type of drivel.

Oh my.

All the empirical evidence points to the Official Story as true. This man's testimony flys in the face of this, therefore, we SHOULD NOT take his word for it, as it flys in the face of the evidence.

TAM:)

[T.A.M.]

Gravy:

SO where did Barry Jennings say he was lying about his story? Can I have a reference to read...thanks

TAM:)

[Oxigen]

TAM. Do u ever work as a physician. u r always oline!!!!

[e^n]

Gravy:

SO where did Barry Jennings say he was lying about his story? Can I have a reference to read...thanks

TAM:)

I think Gravy was saying that nobody is claiming Barry is lying.

I think he has his times and events in the wrong order though, I think the most likely events are
1. Entered WTC7 at about 9:30, saw the triage centre and attempted to get up to the OEM, found it was locked (possibly already evacuated, this puts his time maybe 5-10 mins later)
2. Got access via security personell
3. Began heading back down by about 9:50
4. South tower collapses while he is on his way down, debris impacts 6th-9th floor (remember reports of elevators being dislodged?)
5. Rescued 2 hours later at approx 12:10

Dylan is witholding part of the interview which he claims will specifically mention Jennings reporting firefighters running from two collapses. However, given his place in WTC7 it's entirely possible he couldn't see the South Tower from his point of view, and I am not entirely confident in 'seeing firefighters running from both collapses'.

I withold judgement until I hear the full story.

[HyJinX]

TAM. Do u ever work as a physician. u r always oline!!!!

Word to wise...we're here to discuss the topics at hand...not our personal lives.

[Unsecured Coins]

So you guys don't want to know that I'm a big name in the Underwear Model world?

[Slayhamlet]

TAM. Do u ever work as a physician. u r always oline!!!!

'Zat you, Rosie?

[kookbreaker]

TAM. Do u ever work as a physician. u r always oline!!!!

:socks:

[steve s]

Has anyone considered the fact that this guy might be telling the truth.

If his account is accurate, then why haven't the other people that were with him corroborated his story?

Steve S.

[Redtail]

So you guys don't want to know that I'm a big name in the Underwear Model world?

:eye-poppi You're THE Fruit of the Loom?!?!?!?!?

[Unsecured Coins]

:eye-poppi You're THE Fruit of the Loom?!?!?!?!?

Am I? I'm the reason they had to change the name of the company! Before they were a bunch of fruits, it was originally called the Keilbasas of Lust, but when they figured out that I didn't need a prop, they went withe Option 2 and a complete overhaul of the advertising campaign.

[Arus808]

Love how they cut you off, after asking you for your evidence. Surely Dylan, when you ask someone for their evidence to back their claims, YOU dont cut them off with you talking over them where they can't even get a word in edgewise then hang up on them.


And I still dont see proof they donated anything. BTW, donations are matter of public record; if they are donating on BEHALF of LTW (the company) that is open to scrutiny by the PUBLIC and of course the IRS.


Has the IRS come in to audit these guys yet? They claim to have given away (by their figure) 20,000 DVD's of their crap film; they surely must be writing this off.

And giving away stuff isn't exactly hurting you in the pocketbook (what? 2 cents a disc?). Any real businessman, would claim it as a business expense.

[DGM]

Has the IRS come in to audit these guys yet? They claim to have given away (by their figure) 20,000 DVD's of their crap film; they surely must be writing this off.

And giving away stuff isn't exactly hurting you in the pocketbook (what? 2 cents a disc?). Any real businessman, would claim it as a business expense.

I've caught that before. Talks about the generosity and claims to give away DVD and T-shirts. Can you say promo!

[chipmunk stew]

Has anyone considered the fact that this guy might be telling the truth.
His motives are irrelevant.

What is relevant is that the timeline and some of the details of his story have changed, and his earlier story corroborates better with the other witnesses and the other evidence.

[Foolmewunz]

Do-Over's version....

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=11055&view=findpost&p=13902771

The ScrewLoosers and JREF'rs are scrambling to "debunk" this and the best they can come up with is this quote:

"They headed downstairs but became trapped around the sixth floor by smoke and debris that filled the staircase as a result of the North Tower collapsing at 10:28 a.m."

Um, no guys. That's the reporter's assumption. We had Barry confirm on multiple occasions what time he arrived and what time the explosion took place.

But, you know what, keep running around screaming "Debunked!" so you look even stupider when the movie comes out.

We've gone through five pages here, with some great background compliments of Kent and Jay, and this is his distillation. So that's the case he's intending to make. SLC can get to work without having to wait. How kind of him...SLCFC can be ready in time for the premier!

[Unsecured Coins]

So much for keeping this guy's identity a secret until the movie premiere.

[DGM]

But, you know what, keep running around screaming "Debunked!" so you look even stupider when the movie comes out.

I don't remember running around.
My personal take is the witness is being kept secret because they don't want him to know what's being said. A little out of context action maybe.

[Arus808]

wow, there goes dylan not understanding what he is reading. Dylan, please go to college and take English 100 . You know, where they teach you how to think critically and READ carefully.

AT no time did we say we debunked him. We are saying that his claims (now) do not match the TIMELINE as reported by NIST and other witnesses, that include the FIREFIGHTERS who were there on scene

The fact his current claims aren't backed up by, two OTHER people who were with him at the time, goes to show that he is SIMPLY mistaken on the timeline of when he witnessed certain events.

this was of course 6 years ago....memory of course slowly looses its details and starts to put things that happened earlier to later or those that happened later, much earlier or before other events, when they didn't happen that way.

[lozenge124]

NIST - A respected organisation :"From automated teller machines and atomic clocks to mammograms and semiconductors, innumerable products and services rely in some way on technology, measurement, and standards provided by the National Institute of Standards and Technology."

You forgot the 2nd paragraph:

"Founded in 1901, NIST is a non-regulatory federal agency within the U.S. Commerce Department's Technology Administration. NIST's mission is to promote U.S. innovation and industrial competitiveness by advancing measurement science, standards, and technology in ways that enhance economic security and improve our quality of life."
(bold added)

http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/general2.htm

Not quite as independent as you assume, perhaps.

[Arus808]

You forgot the 2nd paragraph:

"Founded in 1901, NIST is a non-regulatory federal agency within the U.S. Commerce Department's Technology Administration. NIST's mission is to promote U.S. innovation and industrial competitiveness by advancing measurement science, standards, and technology in ways that enhance economic security and improve our quality of life."
(bold added)

http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/general2.htm

Not quite as independent as you assume, perhaps.


Independent enough for the WTC collapse reports since only 85 of their own scientists were on board in the investigations; 200+ OTHER scientists outside of NIST (private practices, colleges, engineering firms), were also involved in the the writing of the NIST report; and dont forget all those open meetings they held from start of investigation up until the end.

[Redtail]

The ScrewLoosers and JREF'rs are scrambling to "debunk" this and the best they can come up with is this quote:

"They headed downstairs but became trapped around the sixth floor by smoke and debris that filled the staircase as a result of the North Tower collapsing at 10:28 a.m."

Um, no guys. That's the reporter's assumption. We had Barry confirm on multiple occasions what time he arrived and what time the explosion took place.

But, you know what, keep running around screaming "Debunked!" so you look even stupider when the movie comes out.

... Wasn't his name supposed to be a secret?

[Unsecured Coins]

oh snap, you just got skooled, 124

[Redtail]

Am I? I'm the reason they had to change the name of the company! Before they were a bunch of fruits, it was originally called the Keilbasas of Lust, but when they figured out that I didn't need a prop, they went withe Option 2 and a complete overhaul of the advertising campaign.
:D

[Cl1mh4224rd]

:socks:


Definitely.

[Stellafane]

...But, you know what, keep running around screaming "Debunked!" so you look even stupider when the movie comes out.

Hi Dylan. It's good to see that you still read this forum. Did you notice my recent post likening you to the leader of a particularly lame and boring camp, desperately trying to keep the unhappy campers excited and engaged? C'mon, 'fess up -- it's pretty clever and appropriate, even if you can't ever openly admit it, wouldn't you say?

I mention this because the post from which the quote above is taken is fully in keeping with your "camp leader" role. Sure, call us stupid, and we'll be even stupider when "the movie comes out." The great, fateful day when the movie finally comes out. That wonderful, life-changing day, when all your patiently waiting followers will at last be vindicated, and all us grownups will be shown and owned and have to admit you guys were right all along and won't we all be so ashamed? Yes, that day, just around the eternal corner, when we will all be stupid. Ohh, it's so slose, you can almost feel it, right?

But let's examine that word "stupid" for a moment. You promised Rosie and The View, didn't happen. You promised Chuck narrating, didn't happen. You promised Cuban and Virgin Atlantic and Parliament, didn't happen, didn't happen, didn't happen. You promised Christmas, and gave them floor plans (floor freaking plans?). You promised South Park endorsement, Matt and Trey called you a retard (ouch!). You promised Kevin Smith's love, he hates you. Do you spot a trend here?

With that track record, do you really want to play the "stupid" card?

The fact is Dylan, you're making it all way too easy for us. So easy, we've actually considered debating ourselves, because you guys can't even offer entertainment any longer, never mind an actual challenge. Think about that: you're so pathetic you're not even worth laughing at anymore, because it feel sort of like laughing at someone who's impaired.

So OK, I'll play along and wait until "the movie comes out." And tell you what, if and when that happens (sorry for the doubt, but really, dude, with your track record, how can you blame me?) I expect to feel every bit as stupid as I do right this moment. Which is to say, not very.

[Unsecured Coins]

nominated

[lozenge124]

Independent enough for the WTC collapse reports since only 85 of their own scientists were on board in the investigations; 200+ OTHER scientists outside of NIST (private practices, colleges, engineering firms), were also involved in the the writing of the NIST report; and dont forget all those open meetings they held from start of investigation up until the end.

A mistake often made is to assume that all the scientists involved in these large scale reports are involved in all aspects of it and write the conclusion together in collegial fashion.

In practice what happens is, the tasks to be completed are divided among the participating scientists with each one responsible for one particular test or goal - one group responsible for the truss oven testing, one group for the plane impact FEA model, etc... In the end though, a small core group has the responsibility of redacting and editing the report together into a coherent whole. This same core group would have also decided what the tasks were going to be, and what to leave out. I doubt for example that the decision not to provide visualizations of the collapse was voted on and approved by the entire group of 285+ scientists.

So it's relatively easy to steer a report towards the desired conclusions - and away from the embarrassing ones - even with hundreds of people involved.

[T.A.M.]

TAM. Do u ever work as a physician. u r always oline!!!!

ya it is scary how much I am online. Yes I work between 40-50h per week at a private clinic with 3 other physicians. I have highspeed access in my office as of about 3 weeks ago, so you will likely find since then, I post through out the day...I post when I am in between patients, and sometimes over the lunch hour.

We have been through this with others here. I have proven my credentials to the moderators of this forum, who are impartial, and they have verified them.

Anything else.

TAM:)

[qarnos]

So it's relatively easy to steer a report towards the desired conclusions - and away from the embarrassing ones - even with hundreds of people involved.

I love how you guys just make stuff up and then state it as if it were common knowledge.

[T.A.M.]

A mistake often made is to assume that all the scientists involved in these large scale reports are involved in all aspects of it and write the conclusion together in collegial fashion.

In practice what happens is, the tasks to be completed are divided among the participating scientists with each one responsible for one particular test or goal - one group responsible for the truss oven testing, one group for the plane impact FEA model, etc... In the end though, a small core group has the responsibility of redacting and editing the report together into a coherent whole. This same core group would have also decided what the tasks were going to be, and what to leave out. I doubt for example that the decision not to provide visualizations of the collapse was voted on and approved by the entire group of 285+ scientists.

So it's relatively easy to steer a report towards the desired conclusions - and away from the embarrassing ones - even with hundreds of people involved.


No reputable scientist would sign off on a final report that completely misrepresents their findings...

TAM:)

[Kent1]

If the lobby was "blown up" before either tower fell, why is the glass in such good shape even after the collapse of the first building?

http://www.studyof911.com/video/flvplayer/playmovie.php?video=wtc7aftercollapses.flv

Here's a pic to get a better idea of what the front looks like.
http://www.studyof911.com/articles/winstonwtc701/Images/FigG.jpg

Was it King Kong, or Son of Kong that took out the lobby? I'm just askin questions....

[Unsecured Coins]

It was DONKEY KONG, fool!!

[CHF]

Um, no guys. That's the reporter's assumption. We had Barry confirm on multiple occasions what time he arrived and what time the explosion took place.

But, you know what, keep running around screaming "Debunked!" so you look even stupider when the movie comes out.

Dylan, I know you had to endure the humiliation of a BBC reporter having to explain what a similie is to you, and I hoped you would have learned from that but apparently you haven't. So let me help you out here.

There's something you should be aware of, Dylan. It's something that all good researchers use.

It's called corroboration. Heard of it?

Corroboration is when you take a piece of information, or a claim, and you see if it is supported by other pieces of information. The more corroboration something has, the more likely it is to be true. A lack of corroboration generally points in the opposite direction.

So, for example, in the case of Barry and WTC7 you should be looking into whether or not his timeline is supported by the people who were there with him. You should find out if the FDNY agrees with his timeline.

If you find that ol' Barry is all by himself then HE'S PROBABLY WRONG.

If you have any questions please don't hesitate to ask.

[T.A.M.]

no no no...that is not the truther way....

the truther mantra dictates that you take ONLY what supports your view of the events, ignoring all else.

Come on, didnt you get the manual?

TAM:)

[Cl1mh4224rd]

http://www.studyof911.com/articles/winstonwtc701/Images/FigG.jpg


Ooo... Looks like a broken RewriteRule. Someone forgot the space between the substitution and the flags.

[Foolmewunz]

DA: What's a simile?
Jason: Dude! That's one of those little jobbies like this that you sign your message with :-)
Da: Yeah, that's what I thought! So what was that English dude all on about, then. They think we don't speech English so good, or what, man? ;-)

[chipmunk stew]

A mistake often made is to assume that all the scientists involved in these large scale reports are involved in all aspects of it and write the conclusion together in collegial fashion.

In practice what happens is, the tasks to be completed are divided among the participating scientists with each one responsible for one particular test or goal - one group responsible for the truss oven testing, one group for the plane impact FEA model, etc... In the end though, a small core group has the responsibility of redacting and editing the report together into a coherent whole. This same core group would have also decided what the tasks were going to be, and what to leave out. I doubt for example that the decision not to provide visualizations of the collapse was voted on and approved by the entire group of 285+ scientists.

So it's relatively easy to steer a report towards the desired conclusions - and away from the embarrassing ones - even with hundreds of people involved.
Obviously, you work in such an environment.







:rolleyes:

[Foolmewunz]

In that LCF thread e^n is having an interesting sidebar discussion with NK-44. From cross-evidence it may be possible that evacuation was ordered prior to the NIST's reported 09:44 - more like 09:30 or thereabouts.

Might explain some of the seeming discrepancies in the timeline.

[e^n]

Ooo... Looks like a broken RewriteRule. Someone forgot the space between the substitution and the flags.

Hah! I expected to be the first person to point that out :(

In that LCF thread e^n is having an interesting sidebar discussion with NK-44. From cross-evidence it may be possible that evacuation was ordered prior to the NIST's reported 09:44 - more like 09:30 or thereabouts.

Might explain some of the seeming discrepancies in the timeline.
Indeed, this gives him time to enter the building without seeing bodies, the problem is now that Dylan seems to think he stayed in WTC7 until he was rescued unless he was being sarcastic, so I am unsure about the bodies in the lobby claim. We'll wait and see I guess.

[Foolmewunz]

Hah! I expected to be the first person to point that out :(


Indeed, this gives him time to enter the building without seeing bodies, the problem is now that Dylan seems to think he stayed in WTC7 until he was rescued unless he was being sarcastic, so I am unsure about the bodies in the lobby claim. We'll wait and see I guess.

I PM'd you just as you were typing this, I think! It's an interesting discussion, as I said. Who's NK-44? Doesn't seem to fit in with the frothing-at-the-mouth crowd.

[e^n]

I PM'd you just as you were typing this, I think! It's an interesting discussion, as I said. Who's NK-44? Doesn't seem to fit in with the frothing-at-the-mouth crowd.

Not a clue, he's my favourite truther ever though. I don't know whether he is simply playing devil's advocate or really believes in it. I hope the former but you can never tell.

[Galileo]

QFE

http://wtc.nist.gov/NISTNCSTAR1-8.pdf

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g73/chipmunk_stew/triage.png

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g73/chipmunk_stew/trapped1.png
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g73/chipmunk_stew/trapped2.png

So, triage in the lobby. Bodies.
WTC1 collapse with some impact on 7. Explosion one.
WTC2 collapse with major impact on 7. Explosion two. Lights go out. Jennings, Hess, and security guy are trapped.

Their testimony matches the actual events. Another non-story.

NIST has misrepresented Barry Jenning's testimony regarding the explosion in the WTC 7 stairwell.

Here is more proof that Barry Jennings is telling the truth in his interview with Dylan Avery.

The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) has misrepresented the testimony of Barry Jennings, who heard and felt an explosion inside of WTC-7 on the morning of 9/11. This is an attempt to cover up arson.

Barry Jennings testified:

“When we reached the 6th floor, the landing that we were standing on gave way, there was an explosion and the landing gave way.”

Witness testimony transcribed:

http://twilightpines.com//index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=113&Itemid=67

The witness was also seen on TV on the day of 9/11, saying; “Big Explosion. It blew us back into the 8th floor.”

Source:

http://noonehastodie.blogspot.com/2007/06/jason-bermas-reveals-his-own-wtc-7.html

Since the fire alarm system in WTC 7 had been turned off at 6:47 A.M. that morning, we don’t know the exact time of the explosion; but the witness specifically stated that the explosion occurred before either Twin Tower collapse, when he said:

“As I told you earlier, both buildings were still standing. Because I looked to, I looked one way, looked the other way, there’s nothing there. When I got to the 6th floor before all this happened, I got to the 6th floor, there was an explosion, that’s what forced us back to the 8th floor, both buildings were still standing.”

This explosion was not caused by debris from the collapse of either tower because the locations of both stairwells inside of WTC 7 were not in the area of debris damage, according to NIST diagrams.

Both stairwells were along the north edge of the WTC 7 core in the north half of the building, but all the debris damage hit the south face of WTC 7. WTC 7 was 355 feet from the North Tower, at its closest point, with WTC 6 in between.

Also, core columns # 74 and # 75 would have blocked the advance of any debris that might have been headed for the stairwell closest to the area where possible debris damage may have occurred.

Sources:

Location of WTC 7 stairwells (page L-6):

http://wtc.nist.gov/progress_report_june04/appendixl.pdf

Location of WTC 7 debris damage (page L-22):

Fire Alarm turned off:

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/a647alarmnoton

Yet NIST omits the word “explosion” and writes that the collapse of WTC 1 caused the events described by Barry Jennings:

“The collapse of WTC 1 also appears to be responsible for starting fires inside WTC 7. With the collapse of the two towers, a New York City employee and a WTC 7 building staff person became trapped inside of WTC 7. The two had gone to the OEM center on the 23rd floor and found no one there. As they went to get into an elevator to go downstairs the lights inside of WTC 7 flickered as WTC 2 collapsed. At this point, the elevator they were attempting to catch no longer worked, so they started down the staircase. When they got to the 6th floor, WTC 1 collapsed, the lights went out in the staircase, the sprinklers came on briefly, and the staircase filled with smoke and debris. The two men went back to the 8th floor broke out a window and called for help.”

Source (page 109 of report):

http://wtc.nist.gov/NISTNCSTAR1-8.pdf

The footnote for this source is #381:WTC 7 Interviews 2041604 and 1041704, spring 2004.

This refers to Barry Jennings above and the other witness is Mike Hess, who was the NYC corporation counsel and a close associate of Rudy Giuliani.

Dr. Kevin Barrett of the Scholars for 9/11 Truth attempted to contact Mr. Hess regarding this incident. Dr. Barrett sent me an email which says:

“I called Michael Hess's office Wednesday, June 27th and left a message for him to return the call. A secretary/co-worker from his office (female) called back the next morning, Thursday June 28th. She asked what I wanted to speak to him about. I started to explain the reports about Hess and the other witness in WTC-7. She interrupted me by saying; "Believe me, I know about that". She said Hess wasn't available to speak to me and she didn't know when he would be. I asked her to leave him the message that I'd like to talk with him.”

As of this writing, Dr. Barrett has not heard back from Mr. Hess.

It looks like Mike Hess and NIST have a WTC 7 problem.

This analysis effectively refutes objections raised on the JREF forums.

The JREF people are the most intelligent and best informed critics of the 9/11 Truth movement. Unlike Popular Mechanics, Fox News, and the Screw Loose Change blog, JREF raises critical issues regarding the truth about really happened on the fateful day of 9/11. No member of the 9/11 Truth movement should accept their own arguments as true, without a careful study of the counter-arguments raised by JREF.

I call on NIST scientists to recognize that the fires in WTC 7 were started intentionally and the collapse of the building was an obvious controlled demolition.

Watch WTC 7 fall down:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3898962504721899003&hl=en

Map of WTC building locations:

http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_ch1.pdf

[Stellafane]

Hi Galileo. The corpus of your argument -- not atypical among those who call themselves 9/11 truthers -- is that the vast majority of highly qualified experts and researchers somehow got it wrong and/or are lying for some reason, while a handful of others with little or no qualifications, examining small pieces of second and third hand evidence, have somehow uncovered the truth.

If you can put aside your own beliefs for a moment, can you see how difficult it is for any of us to accept any part of your arguments, without vastly more concrete, expert proof that you (or any other 9/11 conspiracy theorist) has provided thus far?

[Gravy]

Finding 2.25: The fire alarm system that was monitoring WTC 7 sent to the monitoring company only one signal (at 10:00:52 a.m. shortly after the collapse of WTC 2) indicating a fire condition in the building on September 11, 2001. This signal did not contain any specific information about the location of the fire within the building. [The alarm had been set to “test” mode due to maintenance work] http://wtc.nist.gov/progress_report_june04/chapter1.pdf (pg28)

For more information, see my paper "WTC 7 and the Lies of the 9/11 Truth Movement (http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/introduction)"

[Gravy]

Watch WTC 7 fall down:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3898962504721899003&hl=en


I find it very interesting that you linked to a video that is edited to not show the beginning of the collapse. Why did you do that?

I'd like an answer. You care about truth and honesty, right?

Interested people can see the same video that does show the beginning of the collapse here: http://www.911research.com/wtc/evidence/videos/docs/wtc_7_cbs.mpg

I recommend downloading it and playing it in full-screen mode to get the best view.

I await your reply, Galileo.

[OldSchool]

There's a serious flaw in your suggestion when you state "Vast Majority".

1st- Vast Majority of Government Professionals is what you should have said.

2nd- Isn't a vast majority of Professionals on either side of the coin.

3rd- What professionals who have actually attempted an explanation can't agree with each other.

This applies too all of the debated evidence concerning both the Trade Center and the Pentagon.

[Gravy]

3rd- What professionals who have actually attempted an explanation can't agree with each other.

This applies too all of the debated evidence concerning both the Trade Center and the Pentagon.

Every time you lie, a kitten dies.

[WildCat]

There's a serious flaw in your suggestion when you state "Vast Majority".

1st- Vast Majority of Government Professionals is what you should have said.

2nd- Isn't a vast majority of Professionals on either side of the coin.

3rd- What professionals who have actually attempted an explanation can't agree with each other.

This applies too all of the debated evidence concerning both the Trade Center and the Pentagon.
False. The overwhelming majority of actual experts have no problems with the accepted course of events on 9/11. The assorted theologians, kooks, teenagers, nutjobs, and schizophrenics who make up the "truth" movement are not experts except in their own minds.

[Reheat]

There's a serious flaw in your suggestion when you state "Vast Majority".

1st- Vast Majority of Government Professionals is what you should have said.

2nd- Isn't a vast majority of Professionals on either side of the coin.

3rd- What professionals who have actually attempted an explanation can't agree with each other.

This applies too all of the debated evidence concerning both the Trade Center and the Pentagon.

I notice you fixed typos. Wasn't punctuation such as ? a part of your English Education? Nah, don't answer that, it's not fair.

[Foolmewunz]

There's a serious flaw in your suggestion when you state "Vast Majority".

1st- Vast Majority of Government Professionals is what you should have said.

2nd- Isn't a vast majority of Professionals on either side of the coin.

3rd- What professionals who have actually attempted an explanation can't agree with each other.

This applies too all of the debated evidence concerning both the Trade Center and the Pentagon.

Curious.... how'd this thread get resurrected?

Ah, I see.... it's the new kids! This has been laid to rest, guys! When the great Final Cut is released (if you all clap real hard it'll come true, I'm sure) they'll have sliced and diced his comments with overlays of unrelated bits of video, and you'll all go, "Ooooh! Can I buy a t-shirt, Dylan? Hey Dylan, look at me! I'm a real boy!"

But.... Have Fun Storming the Castle, Boys!

[OldSchool]

Wildcat doesn't require much effort too find there are actually professionals on both sides. The following is a list of Professionals which have made statements.

1st- Demolition

2nd- Physicists

3rd- Mathematicians

4th- Rocket Scientists

All of the above have made statements concerning both 9-11 and the Pentagon. There are quite a few of such professionals on the side of "The Truth Movement" especially Demolition and Rocket Science. I'm not registered member of "The Truth Movement" if there is such a thing, I'm just pointing out the facts.

[T.A.M.]

uh huh...

[Mr.Herbert]

Wildcat doesn't require much effort too find there are actually professionals on both sides. The following is a list of Professionals which have made statements.

1st- Demolition

2nd- Physicists

3rd- Mathematicians

4th- Rocket Scientists

All of the above have made statements concerning both 9-11 and the Pentagon. There are quite a few of such professionals on the side of "The Truth Movement" especially Demolition and Rocket Science. I'm not registered member of "The Truth Movement" if there is such a thing, I'm just pointing out the facts.


A statement? So if this said Rocket Scientist said he thinks it was Rodan that caused the towers collapse...this would be a fact?

You are not pointing out anything!

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Wildcat doesn't require much effort too find there are actually professionals on both sides. The following is a list of Professionals which have made statements.

1st- Demolition

2nd- Physicists

3rd- Mathematicians

4th- Rocket Scientists

All of the above have made statements concerning both 9-11 and the Pentagon. There are quite a few of such professionals on the side of "The Truth Movement" especially Demolition and Rocket Science.


Please list as many of these alleged professionals as you can, their degrees, and how their credentials were verified.

[R.Mackey]

Wildcat doesn't require much effort too find there are actually professionals on both sides. The following is a list of Professionals which have made statements.

1st- Demolition

2nd- Physicists

3rd- Mathematicians

4th- Rocket Scientists

All of the above have made statements concerning both 9-11 and the Pentagon. There are quite a few of such professionals on the side of "The Truth Movement" especially Demolition and Rocket Science. I'm not registered member of "The Truth Movement" if there is such a thing, I'm just pointing out the facts.

As a representative of the 4th category you've listed above, I'd like to say in no uncertain terms that you are totally full of crap.

Names and papers, please, or get packing.

[chipmunk stew]

NIST has misrepresented Barry Jenning's testimony regarding the explosion in the WTC 7 stairwell.

Here is more proof that Barry Jennings is telling the truth in his interview with Dylan Avery.

The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) has misrepresented the testimony of Barry Jennings, who heard and felt an explosion inside of WTC-7 on the morning of 9/11. This is an attempt to cover up arson.
NIST used many sources, not just Jennings, to construct their theory of the sequence of events. Jennings' account meshes well with the other sources of information under the hypothesis that the explosions he experienced were caused by debris impact rather than chemical reaction.

Barry Jennings testified:

“When we reached the 6th floor, the landing that we were standing on gave way, there was an explosion and the landing gave way.”

Witness testimony transcribed:

http://twilightpines.com//index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=113&Itemid=67

The witness was also seen on TV on the day of 9/11, saying; “Big Explosion. It blew us back into the 8th floor.”

Source:

http://noonehastodie.blogspot.com/2007/06/jason-bermas-reveals-his-own-wtc-7.html

Since the fire alarm system in WTC 7 had been turned off at 6:47 A.M. that morning, we don’t know the exact time of the explosion; but the witness specifically stated that the explosion occurred before either Twin Tower collapse, when he said:

“As I told you earlier, both buildings were still standing. Because I looked to, I looked one way, looked the other way, there’s nothing there. When I got to the 6th floor before all this happened, I got to the 6th floor, there was an explosion, that’s what forced us back to the 8th floor, both buildings were still standing.”
Mr. Jennings was not in a position to determine whether or not the buildings were standing when he felt the explosion, as your following three paragraphs illustrate:

This explosion was not caused by debris from the collapse of either tower because the locations of both stairwells inside of WTC 7 were not in the area of debris damage, according to NIST diagrams.

Both stairwells were along the north edge of the WTC 7 core in the north half of the building, but all the debris damage hit the south face of WTC 7. WTC 7 was 355 feet from the North Tower, at its closest point, with WTC 6 in between.

Also, core columns # 74 and # 75 would have blocked the advance of any debris that might have been headed for the stairwell closest to the area where possible debris damage may have occurred.
How was Jennings able to determine that the towers were still standing from this vantage point?

The collapse of WTC2 was a shower of projectiles against WTC7. We know from the huge gouge down the length of the South side that at least some of the debris impact caused cascading damage. In such an environment, you can't claim with any meaningful degree of certainty that specific core columns would have prevented damage to the stairwell.

Also, the area of debris damage shown by NIST is clearly labeled as an estimate. It's clear, too, that they had incomplete data for their estimate, such as photographic evidence of the location of the gouge on the South face. I expect a much more accurate illustration in the final report.

Sources:

Location of WTC 7 stairwells (page L-6):

http://wtc.nist.gov/progress_report_june04/appendixl.pdf

Location of WTC 7 debris damage (page L-22):

Fire Alarm turned off:

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/a647alarmnoton

Yet NIST omits the word “explosion” and writes that the collapse of WTC 1 caused the events described by Barry Jennings:

“The collapse of WTC 1 also appears to be responsible for starting fires inside WTC 7. With the collapse of the two towers, a New York City employee and a WTC 7 building staff person became trapped inside of WTC 7. The two had gone to the OEM center on the 23rd floor and found no one there. As they went to get into an elevator to go downstairs the lights inside of WTC 7 flickered as WTC 2 collapsed. At this point, the elevator they were attempting to catch no longer worked, so they started down the staircase. When they got to the 6th floor, WTC 1 collapsed, the lights went out in the staircase, the sprinklers came on briefly, and the staircase filled with smoke and debris. The two men went back to the 8th floor broke out a window and called for help.”

Source (page 109 of report):

http://wtc.nist.gov/NISTNCSTAR1-8.pdf

The footnote for this source is #381:WTC 7 Interviews 2041604 and 1041704, spring 2004.

This refers to Barry Jennings above and the other witness is Mike Hess, who was the NYC corporation counsel and a close associate of Rudy Giuliani.

Dr. Kevin Barrett of the Scholars for 9/11 Truth attempted to contact Mr. Hess regarding this incident. Dr. Barrett sent me an email which says:

“I called Michael Hess's office Wednesday, June 27th and left a message for him to return the call. A secretary/co-worker from his office (female) called back the next morning, Thursday June 28th. She asked what I wanted to speak to him about. I started to explain the reports about Hess and the other witness in WTC-7. She interrupted me by saying; "Believe me, I know about that". She said Hess wasn't available to speak to me and she didn't know when he would be. I asked her to leave him the message that I'd like to talk with him.”

As of this writing, Dr. Barrett has not heard back from Mr. Hess.

It looks like Mike Hess and NIST have a WTC 7 problem.
Dr. Barrett has a research problem. The ways he goes about getting information are very amateurish (see his quixotic trip to Morocco to find a living hijacker for an example) and he comes across as a nutjob with whom no sane person would want to waste their time. I'm not at all surprised that Mr. Hess doesn't want anything to do with him.

This analysis effectively refutes objections raised on the JREF forums.
Aside from the fact that I accidentally transposed WTC1 and WTC2 in the post you quoted, your analysis does nothing to wound the theory summarized in that post--that Jennings heard and felt explosive debris impact from the tower collapses. Jennings' own account has varied in some of the details over the years, and he has claimed knowledge of things he couldn't possibly have known at the time (see: the towers were still standing)

The JREF [Forum] people are the most intelligent and best informed critics of the 9/11 Truth movement. Unlike ... Fox News ... JREF [Forum members] raises critical issues regarding the truth about really happened on the fateful day of 9/11. No member of the 9/11 Truth movement should accept their own arguments as true, without a careful study of the counter-arguments raised by JREF [Forum members].
Why thank you. I'd have to agree with you whole-heartedly here (with some minor adjustment.) Of course, I'm probably biased.

I call on NIST scientists to recognize that the fires in WTC 7 were started intentionally and the collapse of the building was an obvious controlled demolition.
I bet no one has ever suggested this to them before. They're probably totally unaware of it as a possibility.
http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm

Watch WTC 7 fall down:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3898962504721899003&hl=en

Now watch the whole thing:
http://www.911research.com/wtc/evidence/videos/docs/wtc_7_cbs.mpg

Map of WTC building locations:

http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_ch1.pdf

[jsiv]

As a representative of the 4th category you've listed above, I'd like to say in no uncertain terms that you are totally full of crap.

Names and papers, please, or get packing.


Were you part of the team that developed the space beam weapon that dustified the WTC?

Be honest.

[R.Mackey]

Were you part of the team that developed the space beam weapon that dustified the WTC?

Be honest.

Don't you DARE ask such impertinent questions, unless you're wearing SPF 108 sunblock. :D

[sts60]

4th- Rocket Scientists

All of the above have made statements concerning both 9-11 and the Pentagon. There are quite a few of such professionals on the side of "The Truth Movement" especially Demolition and Rocket Science. I'm not registered member of "The Truth Movement" if there is such a thing, I'm just pointing out the facts.
As a representative of the 4th category you've listed above, I'd like to say in no uncertain terms that you are totally full of crap.
(waves hand) Me too! This rocket scientist notes that there are "experts on both sides of the controversy" in the same sense there are experts on both sides of the evolution/creationism "controversy".

The other big similarity is that we keep hearing from the "truthers" how the evil mainstream account is crumbling and will fall any day now. Really. Just you wait. Now, why does that sound familiar? :rolleyes:

[beachnut]

There's a serious flaw in your suggestion when you state "Vast Majority".

1st- Vast Majority of Government Professionals is what you should have said.

2nd- Isn't a vast majority of Professionals on either side of the coin.

3rd- What professionals who have actually attempted an explanation can't agree with each other.

This applies too all of the debated evidence concerning both the Trade Center and the Pentagon.
Actually the "truth" movement on 9/11 has only about 0.00067 or less percent of all engineers. I would call that VAST. But the "truth" movement has a few, or almost no one with engineering degrees. Similar percents follow for all major professions. VAST is an understatement. I have been in organizations with over 20,000 professional pilots, and the truth movement can only muster 50 people related to flying. Oops, VAST has a whole new meaning. We are not talking 10 times, or 100 times, but 100,000 to 1 are the professional who have not fallen for the lies of 9/11 "truth".

If you have not figured this out yet, 9/11 "truth" is not filled with many rational or logical thinking people.

[OldSchool]

I'm not one of the crazies out there with links too all the certified responses. I Have read statements by all four professionals above discrediting the official report, however I didn't take there name and number I am not writing a book on 911. And on my day off, I am not going too spend a few hours finding you links. Isn't worth my effort because you've already made up your mind and accepted the popular explanation which would make any further act on my part an act of futility. I have my own theories relating too 911 and may someday write a fictional book wouldn't touch attempting a 911 documentary with a 10 foot pole.


NIST- National Institute of Standards and Technology- "A Federal Technology Agency" - no chance of corruption there they all halo's over the head

[beachnut]

I'm not one of the crazies out there with links too all the certified responses. I Have read statements by all four professionals above discrediting the official report, however I didn't take there name and number I am not writing a book on 911. And on my day off, I am not going too spend a few hours finding you links. Isn't worth my effort because you've already made up your mind and accepted the popular explanation which would make any further act on my part an act of futility. I have my own theories relating too 911 and may someday write a fictional book wouldn't touch attempting a 911 documentary with a 10 foot pole.
You have no source, you have nothing. You can not even present it. Or do you?

What a cop out. Write your book on closed minded people who, oops have facts and evidence to prove your ideas wrong. You are the one the book should be about. Fools in the 9/11 Truth Movement

You can use the title for free

[uk_dave]

Last edited by OldSchool : Today at 06:53 PM. Reason: miss spelling

I dread to think how bad it was before you amended it.

[R.Mackey]

I'm not one of the crazies out there with links too all the certified responses. I Have read statements by all four professionals above discrediting the official report, however I didn't take there name and number I am not writing a book on 911. And on my day off, I am not going too spend a few hours finding you links. Isn't worth my effort because you've already made up your mind and accepted the popular explanation which would make any further act on my part an act of futility. I have my own theories relating too 911 and may someday write a fictional book wouldn't touch attempting a 911 documentary with a 10 foot pole.


NIST- National Institute of Standards and Technology- "A Federal Technology Agency" - no chance of corruption there they all halo's over the head

Ha! He couldn't even name one!

Unless you can prove otherwise, I take this to mean that you are the most transparent liar since grade school.

Either back up your statement or get lost.

[Gravy]

there they all halo's over the headIn writing those seven words, you committed six language errors. How many can you spot?

[T.A.M.]

They all HAVE HALOS over THEIR HEADS.

six actually.

No capital T at beginning.

Missing the word "have".

Apostrophe misused.

Their misspelled as the.

Heads misspelled as head.

No period at the end of the sentence.

lol

TAM:)

[Gravy]

They all HAVE HALOS over THEIR HEADS.

six actually.

No capital T at beginning.

Missing the word "have".

Apostrophe misused.

Their misspelled as the.

Heads misspelled as head.

No period at the end of the sentence.

lol

TAM:)It's the middle of a sentence, so no capital T is needed, although it might be better as two sentences. "No chance of corruption there: they all...." would be a legitimate construction.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

I'm not one of the crazies out there with links too all the certified responses. I Have read statements by all four professionals. . .


You only have 4 professionals on your side? Huh...

[T.A.M.]

It's the middle of a sentence, so no capital T is needed, although it might be better as two sentences. "No chance of corruption there: they all...." would be a legitimate construction.

ahh...my mistake, I was taking it as you quoted, rather than looking at the original within the greater work...doh!

TAM:)

[kookbreaker]

I'm not one of the crazies out there with links too all the certified responses. I Have read statements by all four professionals above discrediting the official report, however I didn't take there name and number I am not writing a book on 911.

:roll:

I haven't this much fun since a troofer claimed Chinese engineers used a '$50 million dollar supercomputer' to prove that the WTC towers should have fallen over a period of minutes.

[Foolmewunz]

Let's go back to school. I've bolded the grammatical and spelling errors for you. You're writing a book? In your dreams, you are!


I'm not one of the crazies out there with links too all the certified responses. I Have read statements by all four professionals above discrediting the official report, however I didn't take there name and number I am not writing a book on 911.
And on my day off, I am not going too spend a few hours finding you links. Isn't worth my effort because you've already made up your mind and accepted the popular explanation which would make any further act on my part an act of futility. I have my own theories relating too 911 and may someday write a fictional book wouldn't touch attempting a 911 documentary with a 10 foot pole.

NIST- National Institute of Standards and Technology- "A Federal Technology Agency" - no chance of corruption there they all halo's over the head

1. Have doesn't take an upper case.
2. Homonyms are tricky aren't they? When ewe want to pretend to be a righter, it wood help if ewe also got a grammar checker.
3. One sentence with no subject/predicate.
4. One run-on sentence (should be two separate sentences).
5. And that final bolded part? As already noted, you've almost managed to make one error for every word in the phrase. Six errors out of ten words! Wow!

Reason for Editing: miss spelling

Miss Spelling? Did she make you change that post? Is that your editor? No wonder you can't write!

http://www.tori-spelling.com/

[T.A.M.]

He will probably hire a good editor...probably should get one for his forum posting as well...lol

TAM:)

[Galileo]

NIST used many sources, not just Jennings, to construct their theory of the sequence of events. Jennings' account meshes well with the other sources of information under the hypothesis that the explosions he experienced were caused by debris impact rather than chemical reaction.


Mr. Jennings was not in a position to determine whether or not the buildings were standing when he felt the explosion, as your following three paragraphs illustrate:


How was Jennings able to determine that the towers were still standing from this vantage point?

The collapse of WTC2 was a shower of projectiles against WTC7. We know from the huge gouge down the length of the South side that at least some of the debris impact caused cascading damage. In such an environment, you can't claim with any meaningful degree of certainty that specific core columns would have prevented damage to the stairwell.

Also, the area of debris damage shown by NIST is clearly labeled as an estimate. It's clear, too, that they had incomplete data for their estimate, such as photographic evidence of the location of the gouge on the South face. I expect a much more accurate illustration in the final report.


Dr. Barrett has a research problem. The ways he goes about getting information are very amateurish (see his quixotic trip to Morocco to find a living hijacker for an example) and he comes across as a nutjob with whom no sane person would want to waste their time. I'm not at all surprised that Mr. Hess doesn't want anything to do with him.


Aside from the fact that I accidentally transposed WTC1 and WTC2 in the post you quoted, your analysis does nothing to wound the theory summarized in that post--that Jennings heard and felt explosive debris impact from the tower collapses. Jennings' own account has varied in some of the details over the years, and he has claimed knowledge of things he couldn't possibly have known at the time (see: the towers were still standing)


Why thank you. I'd have to agree with you whole-heartedly here (with some minor adjustment.) Of course, I'm probably biased.


I bet no one has ever suggested this to them before. They're probably totally unaware of it as a possibility.
http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm


Now watch the whole thing:
http://www.911research.com/wtc/evidence/videos/docs/wtc_7_cbs.mpg

Barry Jennings said he heard and felt an explosion, then the stairwell gave out when he was in the 6th floor stariwell.

The fact is, there was no debris damage in or near either of the WTC 7 stairwells.

The NIST diagrams clearly label where:

1) there was debris damage (photographic proof)

2) there might have been debris damage (conflicting witnesses & no photos)

3) there wasn't any debris damage (no evidence at all)

There wasn't any debris damage in or near the stairwells, period. End of story.

But there was an explosion. This evidence fits in nicely with our videos of the WTC 7 controlled demolition. The early explosion weakened the structure.

NIST's statement in their recent press release that says "NIST has found no evidence of a blast or controlled demolition event", is false.

Source:

http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/releases/wtc_062907.html

* Furthermore, even in the area where there MIGHT have been debris damage, there might NOT have been debris damage.

According to this analysis, there WASN'T:

Photographic Analysis of Damage to WTC7 and Critical Errors in NIST's Estimations
http://www.studyof911.com/articles/winstonwtc701/

Also, I have heard Dylan Avery and Jason Bermas indicate that they have footage of the south face of WTC 7, taken between the collapse of WTC 1 and WTC 7, that shows no external debris damage in the location where NIST says there might have been debris damage. We'll have to wait for LCFC to see if this is true.

* Barry Jennings WAS in a position to see the Twin Towers standing AFTER he heard and felt the explosion, because he said he went back up to the 8th floor and looked out the window.

* According to FEMA diagrams, there wasn't any debris damage to WTC 7 from WTC 2:

http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_ch1.pdf (page 9)

That further weakens your argument, because WTC 1 fell 29 minutes after WTC 2, further straining your warped version of Barry Jennings' timeline.

* Rudy Giuliani didn't go to his command center in WTC 7 on the morning of 9/11, and before the towers fell, because he said it was too dangerous.

Since there had just been an explosion in WTC 7, that explains why it was dangerous.

[Galileo]

Finding 2.25: The fire alarm system that was monitoring WTC 7 sent to the monitoring company only one signal (at 10:00:52 a.m. shortly after the collapse of WTC 2) indicating a fire condition in the building on September 11, 2001. This signal did not contain any specific information about the location of the fire within the building. [The alarm had been set to “test” mode due to maintenance work] http://wtc.nist.gov/progress_report_june04/chapter1.pdf (pg28)

For more information, see my paper "WTC 7 and the Lies of the 9/11 Truth Movement (http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/introduction)"


What part of your paper has analysis of the WTC 7 fire alarm?

[Galileo]

I find it very interesting that you linked to a video that is edited to not show the beginning of the collapse. Why did you do that?

I'd like an answer. You care about truth and honesty, right?

Interested people can see the same video that does show the beginning of the collapse here: http://www.911research.com/wtc/evidence/videos/docs/wtc_7_cbs.mpg

I recommend downloading it and playing it in full-screen mode to get the best view.

I await your reply, Galileo.

The video of WTC 7 was selected because it reminds me of Monty Phython's Flying Circus. Either that, or I am part of a plot to only show videos of WTC 7's collapse that look just like controlled demolitions, and censor all videos that don't look like controlled demolitons.

Wait!

All the videos of WTC 7's collapse look just like controlled demolitions.

When are you going to accept my challenge to a televised debate?

I coached Fetzer before his debate with you, but you were too slick for him, getting him drawn into 30 minutes on raybeams, then 30 minutes on the Pentagon, before finally getting to WTC 7 in the last 30 minutes, and even then focusing of trivialities.

You won't fare so well with Galileo Galilei.

I wait your response, Gravy.

[Pardalis]

You insult the very name of Galileo. Please... :rolleyes:

[Drudgewire]

You won't fare so well with Galileo Galilei.
This is probably true.

Gravy: I want to make sure I understand the position of Mr. Galilei. You believe every available piece of video evidence leads to the conclusion that WTC-7 was a controlled demolition?


Galileo: http://www.lethalwrestling.com/upload/skull4.jpg


Gravy: I don't understand, you were so vocal about this in print. Is there any part of your position you'd like to rectify?


Galileo: http://www.lethalwrestling.com/upload/skull4.jpg


Gravy: Well, all things considered... you still come across as a better spokesman for the truth movement than anyone else I've come across.

[Pardalis]

"But it looks so much like a controlled demolition!"

Galileo, things aren't always what they seem at first glance... I'll just leave it at that.

[Galileo]

This is probably true.

Gravy: I want to make sure I understand the position of Mr. Galilei. You believe every available piece of video evidence leads to the conclusion that WTC-7 was a controlled demolition?


Galileo: http://www.lethalwrestling.com/upload/skull4.jpg


Gravy: I don't understand, you were so vocal about this in print. Is there any part of your position you'd like to rectify?


Galileo: http://www.lethalwrestling.com/upload/skull4.jpg


Gravy: Well, all things considered... you still come across as a better spokesman for the truth movement than anyone else I've come across.

Drudgewired:

Your most recent post is a forgery.

Here is what I think of your latest antics:

Image Gallery: Galileo*
http://www.williams.edu/HistSci/resources/images/galileo/finger.html

[Drudgewire]

Your most recent post is a forgery.
Curses, foiled again. :rolleyes: