Chemistry Reveals Da Twoof

[T.A.M.]

TAM:

I wish everyone had access to THE PARTICLE ATLAS by Walter C. McCrone.

Pages 770 - 780 of Volume III have excellent micrographs of common "dusts, dirt and debris"; many of the micrographs show spherical particles alone, or mixed with other amorphous material.

Entry 581 is a sample of "SPRAY-DRIED BLOOD". The dried blood consists of spherical particles with an EDX spectrum that shows peaks from Na, Al, S, Cl, K, Fe.

The presence of Al is strange indeed!

Spins:

Ah Yes..... Chainsaw is THE great proponent of the stack/chimney effect!

YES INDEED!

But there is still one catch, (isn't there always!),

.... would these dried blood "droplets" be magnetic?


Very interesting indeed! As for the magnetic issue, just because the hemoglobin binds the iron particles tightly, does not mean they would not be magnetic. Would you have to break the bonds between the heme and the iron in order for them to show up on the spectroscopy etc?? I am not sure.

TAM:)

Edit:

Hemoglobin is paramagnetic....

http://osulibrary.oregonstate.edu/specialcollections/coll/pauling/blood/narrative/page5.html

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Unfortunately, the answer is probably not, iron in blood is locked into the hemogolbin pretty tightly, though I guess it could be released by fire, without experimenting I doubt we can say, which is why I only placed it into the "interesting" basket. I'm not sure that there would be an easy way to remove the salt either. Water might do it, but this might also destroy the spherical as well. Also, given the required materials, I'm not sure that it is one of those that things that we can really test.

It is possible if the hemoglobin can be converted to fe304, and the Chloride in sodium Chloride reduced to sodium sulfate. However it is unlikely that those reactions took place and the spherical remain spherical.
However the spheres from the dried blood are evidence that a chemical condition can form spheres when intense Emery like that in a high speed impact acts on a fluid containing the element necessary for the reaction.

[PhantomWolf]

and the Chloride in sodium Chloride reduced to sodium sulfate

I do not think this means what you think it means, unless you have developed alchemy. ;)

[T.A.M.]

SO are we suggesting that the possible source of the iron spherules could have been the deoxygenated blood of the victims of the attacks/collapse?

TAM:)

[PhantomWolf]

SO are we suggesting that the possible source of the iron spherules could have been the deoxygenated blood of the victims of the attacks/collapse?

TAM:)

Not without more evidence, no. Currently it just ranks as interesting.

eta: Of course there is as much evidence for this theory as for it coming from Therm*te, but then I suspect that we hold rather higher scientific requirements for a theory than does Dr Jones.

[T.A.M.]

Well I think it at least deserves an "independent investigation", given it is the truthers leading theory that it (the spherules) is proof of thermite.

TAM;)

[PhantomWolf]

Well I think it at least deserves an "independent investigation", given it is the truthers leading theory that it (the spherules) is proof of thermite.

TAM;)

heh. I can see the materials request now.

1 concrete mixer
200kg steel
200kg aluminium
400kg concrete, crushed
100kg gypsum, crushed
20kg assorted office plastics
5 litres Kerosene
2 litres human blood

[T.A.M.]

So on a serious note, what would it take, I wonder, to go from Deoxygenated hemoglobin, to the iron spherules as seen in S. Jones "studies"? What reaction...what catalyst? Could heat alone do it?

TAM:)

[Crazy Chainsaw]

I do not think this means what you think it means, unless you have developed alchemy. ;)


Sorry I am just tired, I have been loading and hauling 2ton blocks of sandstone all day long, I have to winch them out, so I have to lift the blocks by hand and place a chain under them.

These are the correct chemical formulas.


Mannheim: 2 NaCl + H2SO4 → 2 HCl + Na2SO4
Hargreaves: 4 NaCl + 2 SO2 + O2 + 2 H2O → 4 HCl + 2 Na2SO4

[T.A.M.]

So I am interested to know, Apollo20 and Crazy Chainsaw, do you feel human blood is a possible source of the iron spherules, and if so, how LIKELY a source are they?

TAM:)

[Crazy Chainsaw]

The impacts can transform blood into the Spheres since sodium Chloride evaporates at 1465 °C (1738 K) I have tested it However the blood must be passed though burning-Oxidizing aluminum for the heat to effectively break down the Hemoglobin, and the Sodium, I am working on this at the moment but spheres that are magnetic do form from reactions of Aluminum and blood.
IT is also reasonable to believe that such reactions might occur with Aluminum with the surface weakened by Chlorides. A hydrogen reaction with the aluminum would also boil off the Sodium. Such would be likely to occur as the Aluminum chloride broke down into Aluminum hydroxide.
From the H20 in the Blood itself.
The spheres might be what is left of the Hijackers.
This is complicated but I am working on it initial tests are promising. The heat seems to break the hemoglobin down, depending on which reactions take place either pure iron or Fe304 are produced with the other compounds.
I do not think however that this would have produce a large amount of spheres, it would help if someone could produce a map showing where the spheres were found, that would provide the location in relation to impact of the aluminum planes with the buildings.
I simply shot a small spray of blood though aluminum flash powder and spheres formed they were smaller than the other spheres I have produced but they were magnetic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_powder
You just knew I had to try it didn't you Frank, the blood was sheep's blood, from a Sheep destine for barbecue in Owensboro.
http://www.bbqfest.com/
Well I am off to work.

[T.A.M.]

When you say they may have come from the hijackers, you are not saying that it could not have come from the passengers in the planes as well, are you? or the crew/pilots? What about those killed as the plane struck, in the building (in the WTC at the exact floors of impact)?

TAM:)

[Crazy Chainsaw]

When you say they may have come from the hijackers, you are not saying that it could not have come from the passengers in the planes as well, are you? or the crew/pilots? What about those killed as the plane struck, in the building (in the WTC at the exact floors of impact)?

TAM:)

Some could have even come from the police dog killed in the line of duty, and source of mammalian blood.
It could also have occurred in the collapse and in the fires if sufficient chemical reactions and sufficient friction or other energies sound for instance, or anything else able to break the oxide layer on aluminum in the presence of Mammalian blood-Human blood.
Such breaking of the oxide layer would in contact with blood or dried blood would cause the spheres Though either a Thermite like reaction or a Hydrogen reaction.
I also think there are other sources too, and I am still studying this.
If you remember in one of my early experiments I tested beef liver and got a combined hydrogen thermite reaction. IT is similar to what is occurring in the blood.

PS. another thing I have discovered reactions of HCl and water, along with zinc make it almost impossible for thermites to work the smaller the particles the faster they transform into Aluminum Chloride, That oxidizes at 700c and does not melt steel.

Thermites seem to be easy to exclude from the equation if Chloride is present.

[T.A.M.]

Has anyone bothered to correspond with S. Jones, and make him aware of the distinct possibility that his iron spherules were created from the combination of blood and reactions occuring in the impacts and/or the collapses?

TAM:)

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Has anyone bothered to correspond with S. Jones, and make him aware of the distinct possibility that his iron spherules were created from the combination of blood and reactions occuring in the impacts and/or the collapses?

TAM:)

I think I will leave that honor to Frank, I have sent Dr. Jones some iron spiracles but have not heard back from him on those.
I thought I would do some reactions and make some more spiracles and then inform him that he has Found Human remains.
PS. the energy necessary for this reaction to take place even negates most of the bodies being recovered, and would destroy DNA.
IT also shows why some victims bodies were not recovered.
I can not help but to think how horrible the conditions must have been in the final moments, I feel so well words do not describe it, the best I can say is so much sorrow, for the victims I have seen more than many what the conditions were like, and it gives me Bad thoughts about what happened I have to work hard not to dwell on them and keep myself objective.

[T.A.M.]

I think I will leave that honor to Frank, I have sent Dr. Jones some iron spiracles but have not heard back from him on those.
I thought I would do some reactions and make some more spiracles and then inform him that he has Found Human remains.
PS. the energy necessary for this reaction to take place even negates most of the bodies being recovered, and would destroy DNA.
IT also shows why some victims bodies were not recovered.
I can not help but to think how horrible the conditions must have been in the final moments, I feel so well words do not describe it, the best I can say is so much sorrow, for the victims I have seen more than many what the conditions were like, and it gives me Bad thoughts about what happened I have to work hard not to dwell on them and keep myself objective.

While I know a truther as far gone as S. Jones will never admit he was wrong, I hope, when presented with this, that He is at least man and scientist enough to include this likelihood (spherules coming from human remains) in his presentations and talks...but I doubt it.

TAM:)

[PhantomWolf]

Well while CC's work looks persuasive that we could indeed being deal with blood, I'd still like to see it written up in paper form before deciding in total favour of it, if it is indeed shown that this is a likely source of the sphericals, I guess that Jones carrying on with his "They are thermite reside" would be in line with their normal explotation of the victims.

[GT/CS]

I'm not a chemist, or chemical engineer, or anything with "chem" in it, so please excuse my ignorance but could the hundreds, or thousands, of UPS batteries Fuji Bank had on the 81st floor explain the existance of the chemicals?

11-settembre.blogspot.com/2007/02/ups-on-81st-floor-of-wtc2.

Add html to the end.

[BigAl]

Is it possible to get the sulphur out of the rubber in the building? Most of the carpet has a rubberized backing (I think, it could be latex). Other than the gypsum this would be the most likely source right?

Sheetrock has lots of sulphur in it.