Lucifer Project: Starchild

[slugmancs]

This has to be the SLC guy's prank, right?
Watch the video and lose what seems like more than 20 minutes of your life.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8950409300587216377&hl=en

Where should one start with the logical fallacies?

These poeople believe the Illuminati are going to detonate nuclear missiles on Jupiter or Saturn to make a second sun and watch chaos ensue... How do people with this sort of a view on life not eliminate themselves?

[Brainache]

This has to be the SLC guy's prank, right?
Watch the video and lose what seems like more than 20 minutes of your life.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8950409300587216377&hl=en

Where should one start with the logical fallacies?

These poeople believe the Illuminati are going to detonate nuclear missiles on Jupiter or Saturn to make a second sun and watch chaos ensue... How do people with this sort of a view on life not eliminate themselves?

I blame the doctors. Damn Hipocrates!

[PhantomWolf]

Sounds like a version of the Gallelio probes going to ignite Jupiter, Cassini is going to Ignite Saturn woowooness to me. It'd take a lot more than a nuke to set them off (they are both way to small to support fussion) especially considering that Jupiter got hit by a Comet with hits that would made our nukes look like a pop gun and all it did was leave a scar for a few months.

[Gravy]

Watch the video and lose what seems like more than 20 minutes of your life.Really wish I could, but I'm busy crushing testicles.

[Corsair 115]

These poeople believe the Illuminati are going to detonate nuclear missiles on Jupiter or Saturn to make a second sun and watch chaos ensue...Uh, that sounds sort of like the plotline 2010, only substitute nuclear missiles for the mysterious black monoliths.

[slugmancs]

Uh, that sounds sort of like the plotline 2010, only substitute nuclear missiles for the mysterious black monoliths.
If you watch the video the author of the it brings all three of those movies up. Claims Illuminati was behind the movies like PNAC for 9/11.

[PhantomWolf]

Really wish I could, but I'm busy crushing testicles.

Just as long as they belong to Truthers.

[Totovader]

Holy Jesus Woo and all his Wooie disciples. That has got to be the most ridiculous claim I have ever seen in my entire life.

It's got to be a joke.

[R.Mackey]

]These poeople believe the Illuminati are going to detonate nuclear missiles on Jupiter or Saturn to make a second sun and watch chaos ensue... How do people with this sort of a view on life not eliminate themselves?

That is pretty idiotic. As others have noted, Comet Shoemaker-Levy (http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/sl9/) impacted Jupiter with multiple individual impacts generating energies of roughly 1027 ergs, or about 2,000 megatons TNT equivalent, each. They left spots on Jupiter that were easily visible (I saw them myself, in my cheesy 60mm Meade refractor), but did nothing of consequence to Jupiter's chemistry, let alone its nuclear physics.

One would think an agency with multiple warheads larger than 10,000 megatons each, and the means to strike a target a half-billion miles away with them, could think of a better way to "watch chaos ensue." :rolleyes:

As I've stated before (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=2446470#post2446470), these people grossly underestimate what a halfway competent person could do with such power. Their lack of intellect is revealed through their lack of imagination.

[Redtail]

Holy Jesus Woo and all his Wooie disciples. That has got to be the most ridiculous claim I have ever seen in my entire life.

It's got to be a joke.

Nope! I read about it on UM a while back. There was a link to an article explaining it but i can't post it here due to the fact that when I read it I suffered from tempory mental retardation for 4 days and Some people here have jobs.:p

[Cl1mh4224rd]

This has to be the SLC guy's prank, right?
Watch the video and lose what seems like more than 20 minutes of your life.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8950409300587216377&hl=en

Where should one start with the logical fallacies?

These poeople believe the Illuminati are going to detonate nuclear missiles on Jupiter or Saturn to make a second sun and watch chaos ensue... How do people with this sort of a view on life not eliminate themselves?


I'm afraid to watch the video. Do they say why igniting Jupiter or Saturn would cause chaos to ensue?

I mean, even if Jupiter could sustain fusion at that mass, it's size and distance wouldn't make it very bright. I'm thinking, what; equivalent to a full moon? Saturn would be even more dim.

There'd be some extra energy being spilled out into the solar system, but again, at that distance, I can't imagine it having much effect on Earth.

I can't even imagine what the panic would be all about (well, after the initial, "Holy ****! What just happened?").

[T.A.M.]

I blame the doctors. Damn Hipocrates!

ya ya shut up already or you'll be next...lol

Now about this video...lets count down the time it takes for the LC crowd to call it disinfo...and in 5...4....3....2....


TAM:)

[jezcoe]

It seems that the wooites in question watched 2010 a few times too many. Ignite Saturn or Jupiter... take your pick into a star... mass panic ensues... name star Nemesis.... 3 months later.... NASA announces bad Mojo heading our way.... people moved underground based on a lottery system. 30 percent of humanity dies... world government and world peace acheived... Star is renamed messiah.... Oh should I have included a spoiler alert? Sorry

[Checkmite]

That is pretty idiotic. As others have noted, Comet Shoemaker-Levy (http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/sl9/) impacted Jupiter with multiple individual impacts generating energies of roughly 1027 ergs, or about 2,000 megatons TNT equivalent, each.

Your data may be mistaken. this source (http://www.physics.sfasu.edu/astro/sl9/cometfaq2.html) has the impacts' energy being exponentially greater - the highest being fragment G's impact, which they placed at roughly 6,000,000 megatons (which, according to this source, is somewhere around 600 times the world's entire nuclear arsenal).

[geni]

One would think an agency with multiple warheads larger than 10,000 megatons each, and the means to strike a target a half-billion miles away with them, could think of a better way to "

Hitting a target the size of jubiter isn't to much of a problem we've been doing it for decades.

You could build a 10,000 megatons weapon with a staged fusssion device (not sure why you would want to). Getting something that weight to escape velocity would be somewhat tricky mind.

[Redtail]

:jaw-dropp The name of this project just hit me!!! Something so big could only be named for the HEAD of the illuminati!!! They've slipped up and told us who their leader is and I have proof!!!!

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_12044467b07fb56a44.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=6494)

It's Bootsy!

[Unsecured Coins]

Damn You Bootsy Collins!!

[R.Mackey]

Hitting a target the size of jubiter isn't to much of a problem we've been doing it for decades.

You could build a 10,000 megatons weapon with a staged fusssion device (not sure why you would want to). Getting something that weight to escape velocity would be somewhat tricky mind.


I may be remiss in bringing fact into a discussion of lunacy, but you couldn't be more wrong...

Jupiter is large, yes, but the larger the target, the deeper the gravity well. This means the planet will swing you around much harder as you get closer to it, so either you need far more propellant to slow down and land on it (if a halfway gentle approach is desired) or much better guidance and control (if "insanely fast schmack-right-into-it" is a better description of your mission profile).

Jupiter is extremely far away. It takes a minimum of about five years to get there with current propulsion. Galileo (http://galileo.jpl.nasa.gov/resources.cfm) was launched in late 1989 and didn't arrive until 1995. More time in space means more potential for problems. You need more monoprop for spacecraft control, you can't rely on batteries, you need to staff up to babysit your spacecraft using complicated ground stations, and your round-trip light time stretches to several hours.

Jupiter is also an enormous radiation hazard. All those fancy cameras and high-precision flight computers you were going to use to hit your target are vulnerable to frying. You will probably have to go three or four generations older, and add shielding, or you'll have an inert hunk of spacecraft sailing past your target.

To date, only two human-made objects have actually hit Jupiter. One is the atmospheric probe carried by Galileo, the other is the rest of Galileo itself. Six other spacecraft have made visits (Pioneer 10 & 11, Voyager 1 & 2, Cassini, and New Horizons). The total program cost of Galileo was just under $2 billion in 1995 dollars.

Galileo's total takeoff weight was about 2400 kg. The "Shrimp" atomic bomb detonated in Castle Bravo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_bravo) weighed over four times as much, and is about 1,000 times smaller than the minimum possible energy needed (assuming 10,000 MT). The secret society that could throw that much payload into a Jupiter orbit would be well along the way to interstellar human spaceflight.

Compared to this, launching an ICBM from Malmstrom and hitting nothing-but-net in Red Square is a piece of cake.

[geni]

Jupiter is also an enormous radiation hazard. All those fancy cameras and high-precision flight computers you were going to use to hit your target are vulnerable to frying. You will probably have to go three or four generations older, and add shielding, or you'll have an inert hunk of spacecraft sailing past your target.

By the time the radation becomes an issue you should be on target.



Galileo's total takeoff weight was about 2400 kg. The "Shrimp" atomic bomb detonated in Castle Bravo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_bravo) weighed over four times as much, and is about 1,000 times smaller than the minimum possible energy needed (assuming 10,000 MT). The secret society that could throw that much payload into a Jupiter orbit would be well along the way to interstellar human spaceflight.


The tsar bomba weighing in at 27 tonnes had potential yeild of 100MT so 10K MT comes out at around 27,000 tonnes or about 126 times the weight of the ISS.