What's been Dylan's biggest blunder thus far?

[CHF]

The ones I recall:

- the "3,000 screens" for LCFC

- LCFC at Cannes

- the WTC floorplans that showed nothing

- "Mike" the EMT

- chimney soot

- the "done deal" British parliament screening

- this latest WTC7 witness

As pathetic as this latest one is, I'm gonna go with the floorplans.

EDIT: No wait, the chimney soot was worse.

[steve s]

You're forgetting the "done deal" showing before the British parliament.

Steve S.

[qarnos]

The recent chimney soot saga.

The LC:FC release date.

[CHF]

Oh right.

Fixed

[jhunter1163]

The whole Rosie O'Donnell business.

Or maybe getting into Sundance.

Or maybe embracing Killtown, only to ban him later.

Or maybe embracing William Rodriguez, only to part company with him later.

Or maybe the pod theory in the original LC.

And on it goes...

[Gravy]

I remember the multi-thousand screen LCFC claim, but does anyone have a link to Avery's quote?

I think his biggest blunders are his repeated insults to 9/11 victims and their loved ones: saying they may have died before 9/11, saying they may have been involved in the attacks or had foreknowledge of them, saying they may have been murdered because of that knowledge, denying that they made desperate last phone calls, denying their heroism on flight 93, denying that their remains were recovered and returned to their families, claiming that we don't know what happened to them.

There is no explaining away such vicious, cruel stupidity.

[Foolmewunz]

You left out the now you see him now you don't "Mark Cuban's gonna be our sponsor" fantasy.

You left out the "We're gonna be on Rosie" debacle.

You left out the "Hey we're gonna be on Virgin Airlines - Oh, WTF, we're not, but fuggem we got the money" revealing exchange.

That last one would get my vote because it displays his avarice, clear and simple.

>Steve S.
Someone* revived the Parliament screening idea about 9 days ago - said it was going to be shown "this" (e.g. "last") week, but wouldn't reveal his sources and was thus called down for it. Pretty ignominious, that - being called a liar by a bunch of the world's most pathological liars!

*Not one of the LC guys.

[Foolmewunz]

Following Gravy's train of thought (would that be a Gravy Train, hyuk hyuk, get it, get it), if we don't limit this to items that would ultimately cause a normal/responsible person to print a retraction, then you can assuredly add:

The stupidity of agreeing to show up for the Ron/Gravy debate. That cost them, big time.

The making of LC, LC2E, and LCFC.

[Brainache]

Maybe agreeing to appear on that BBC Conspiracy Files show where he sat there dumbly picking scabs while the interviewer tried to explain what a similie is.

[slingblade]

Waking up one morning and thinking, "Hey! I should make a movie....."

[R.Mackey]

I'd have to go with the original version of "Loose Change."

The thing has ruddy pods in it, for crying out loud. How anyone can view his ever-shifting position, and not detect that it's all a fabrication, is simply amazing!

[Pardalis]

Waking up one morning and thinking, "Hey! I should make a movie....."

I would simplify that to just "waking up in the morning". Period.

[Gravy]

Another classic was Avery claiming that he would contribute more money to victims' charities than Paul Greengrass and Oliver Stone, who he claimed had given nothing. At the time he made that statement, over $4 million from "United 93" and "World Trade Center" had been donated to 9/11 victims' causes.

[PhantomWolf]

I was going to suggest that his biggest blunder was attempting to pretend that LC wasn't fiction, but I got beaten so I won't.

[ref]

The truther side always complains about the changing official story. The FEMA saying the other, NIST the other. What they don't understand is, that investigations take time and the NIST story hasn't changed since 2005 anyway.

The funny part is, look how much Loose Change has changed. The changes in Loose Change have been more dramatic than the changes of any official story. They have had the pods, the shoot down of 93, then 93 landed in Cleveland, they had the blue tents, missiles at Pentagon, billions of gold and so on. The script has changed all the time, have you seen any thuthers complaining about that? Maybe it's called loose change, because the script is loose and keeps changing all the time.

[Alareth]

Birth?

Actually I'm fond of the whole "He was using a simile" segment on the BBC

[hurdygurdy]

The "Hey, Kevin Smith likes me!" episode was hilariously embarrassing, poor Dylan reminded me the guy from Overnight (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0390336/) more than ever.

[peteweaver]

He should have stuck to his original plan to sell LC as a work of fiction, which it is.

[The Silver Shadow]

There was the part about Virgin Atlantic. After VA had pulled his video from his selection, he was boasting about how he got paid for them to not show his film, which I think was pretty stupid in itself...

[volatile]

What's all this about chimney soot?

[MarkyX]

- South Park "omg they luv us"

- Jason Bermas saying the "people were really secondary"

- Korey admitting they were lies intentionally put in the film

- Dylan Avery saying the Bernard Brown Senior sent his son to die

- Arguing with KillTown about no-planers, but he doesn't believe Flight 77 or Flight 93 exists

[The Silver Shadow]

Having Jason around saying that the FDNY were paid off.

[eeyore1954]

- Dylan Avery saying the Bernard Brown Senior sent his son to die



I don't know if I would classify this as a blunder it didn't seem to hurt him a lot but it was certainly one of the more despicable things done.

[Totovader]

Personally, the debates where he admits that their theories are not falsifiable- that nothing would change their mind...

Can't trump that.

[TobiasTheViking]

ehm...


being born?

Sincerely
Tubse Bubse Fnullergøj

[Alareth]

Birth?

Actually I'm fond of the whole "He was using a simile" segment on the BBC

ehm...


being born?

Sincerely
Tubse Bubse Fnullergøj

Copycat!

[firecoins]

his birth!...oh wait, been done.

LC has changed several times! Oh thats been done too.

Damn it!

[TobiasTheViking]

didn't read the thread, just replied sorry comrade

[kookbreaker]

"ha Ha Ha Boxcutters!"

[The Silver Shadow]

see my signature...

[Stellafane]

I'm going to assume that Avery personally could take or leave the whole 9/11 CT thing, he's just in it for the "fame and fortune," such as it is. In this light, the truly despicable things he's done aren't necessarily blunders; indeed, they can actually be considered good career moves because they play to his diseased little constituancy. Instead, the two biggest blunders I can think of -- the ones that will ultimately lead to his demise in the eyes of the only people who will ever look up to him -- were the Rosie debacle and parting company with Killtown. The Rosie thing was crushing because it was right there, a few days away, the crowning triumph of the whole movement, a major celebrity giving every pimply faced cellar-dweller the credibility he had fantasized for himself for so long. When it got yanked out from under them, it was a crushing loss -- one that even Avery couldn't put a happy face on.

Worse still was making Killtown an enemy. The dude is, let's face it, an unbalanced little freak. You really don't want people like that mad at you; the obsession with which they devote their lives to making yours miserable is scary to contemplate. Avery make seek to lead the CT masses, but Killtown is the CT masses, and will eventually cut Avery's legs out from under him. It's just a matter of time. I know why Avery ditched Killtown, he had to do it to be accepted by the more mainstream, Rosie O'Donnell following audience But jilting Killtown was like dumping your crazy, stalking girlfreind for the rich girl who in the end decides not to go out with you after all. Suddenly your life really sucks, and you're wishing you could witness a murder so you could join the witness protection program. Bad move, and it will cost Avery big sooner or later.

[Mancman]

How about when Dylan found the black boxes recovered from ground zero, sitting in a museum?

[jhunter1163]

What's all this about chimney soot?

Recently, Dylan misidentified a photo of soot blowing from the exhaust vents on the roof of a building (think it was the Merrill Lynch building, not sure though) as damage from 9/11. There was a thread about it here, where it was quickly and resoundingly debunked.

[Redtail]

How about when Dylan found the black boxes recovered from ground zero, sitting in a museum?

Wait... What?

[Dragon]

I'm going to assume that Avery personally could take or leave the whole 9/11 CT thing, he's just in it for the "fame and fortune," such as it is. In this light, the truly despicable things he's done aren't necessarily blunders; indeed, they can actually be considered good career moves because they play to his diseased little constituancy. Instead, the two biggest blunders I can think of -- the ones that will ultimately lead to his demise in the eyes of the only people who will ever look up to him -- were the Rosie debacle and parting company with Killtown. The Rosie thing was crushing because it was right there, a few days away, the crowning triumph of the whole movement, a major celebrity giving every pimply faced cellar-dweller the credibility he had fantasized for himself for so long. When it got yanked out from under them, it was a crushing loss -- one that even Avery couldn't put a happy face on.

Worse still was making Killtown an enemy. The dude is, let's face it, an unbalanced little freak. You really don't want people like that mad at you; the obsession with which they devote their lives to making yours miserable is scary to contemplate. Avery make seek to lead the CT masses, but Killtown is the CT masses, and will eventually cut Avery's legs out from under him. It's just a matter of time. I know why Avery ditched Killtown, he had to do it to be accepted by the more mainstream, Rosie O'Donnell following audience But jilting Killtown was like dumping your crazy, stalking girlfreind for the rich girl who in the end decides not to go out with you after all. Suddenly your life really sucks, and you're wishing you could witness a murder so you could join the witness protection program. Bad move, and it will cost Avery big sooner or later.I agree with much of your analysis but I think his biggest mistake was not coming clean right after LC.
If he had said, "Hey guys, we were just seeing how far we could push this conspiracy theory and how seriously people would take it - we don't actually believe it, I mean look at all the deliberate mistakes in the movie" - then he might just have got the film career he obviously craves.
As it is he overplayed the con and now he's stuck with it and all those loons who bought into it. He's flown a little higher for now but that just means he's got further to fall.
As soon as LCFC or whatever comes out in September gets anywhere near "mainstream" little Dylan and chums will be torn to shreds.

[VespaGuy]

Wait... What?

Dylan and the Black Boxes? One of my personal favorites.

Here's where the discussion came up on these forums. (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=1818438#post1818438)

Can someone tell me if they can get the link to the original thread at LCF to work? When I try, I only get the login screen. I'd love to know if that thread exists over on the LCF boards...

[Mince]

His biggest blunder is hosting the intellectually devoid message board he calls Loose Change.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=11167

Read that thread and tell me these are the intellectual elite able to solve devious governmental crimes, all from their computer chair.

[jackchit]

another intellectual thread, for the title read "hey why are we right and they are wrong".
You guys sure need a lot of re-assurance.
Maybe one of you will make a documentary proving the official story.... NO?? didn't think so

[Mince]

Oh, don't get me wrong, jack-o. There are a few people at Loose Change who are...well I'm not going to say intelligent...let's say not completely stupid. However, they are few and far between.

BTW, are you going to be a party to the 50 billion dollar lawsuit? It could mean a substantial increase in the quality of life for you.

[DGM]

another intellectual thread, for the title read "hey why are we right and they are wrong".
You guys sure need a lot of re-assurance.
Maybe one of you will make a documentary proving the official story.... NO?? didn't think so
We don't need the documentary. The thread could be fun though. Thanks

[Mince]

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=11182


by jackchit

who used the term "denialist"? certainly not me.
If you are uncomfortable with the questioning of your tour guide leader then just say so.
Don't just make lies up or I will have MR Randi remove your mod status.
You have been warned.



**emphasis added

[jackchit]

Oh, don't get me wrong, jack-o. There are a few people at Loose Change who are...well I'm not going to say intelligent...let's say not completely stupid. However, they are few and far between.

BTW, are you going to be a party to the 50 billion dollar lawsuit? It could mean a substantial increase in the quality of life for you.

I'm in the uk, my quality of life is better than yours.

[beachnut]

another intellectual thread, for the title read "hey why are we right and they are wrong".
You guys sure need a lot of re-assurance.
Maybe one of you will make a documentary proving the official story.... NO?? didn't think so
Letting idiots post at LCF

[kookbreaker]

jackchit thinks a lot of himself, doesn't he?

[jackchit]

So not one of you de-bunkers is prepared to put your name to a documentary supporting the official version of events?
what a surprise

[jackchit]

jackchit thinks a lot of himself, doesn't he?

you think more of me though don't cha.
come on kook where is your doc?

[Garb]

So not one of you de-bunkers is prepared to put your name to a documentary supporting the official version of events?
what a surprise
I would, but I don't have the time nor the rescources to repeat fact for the 50th time.

[jackchit]

I would, but I don't have the time nor the rescources to repeat fact for the 50th time.


good excuse

[Redtail]

another intellectual thread, for the title read "hey why are we right and they are wrong".
You guys sure need a lot of re-assurance.
Maybe one of you will make a documentary proving the official story.... NO?? didn't think so

This from a guy who's idea of "debunking" someone's arguments is calling them gay?

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/12044467af2cd27d18.gif (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=6485)

[kookbreaker]

you think more of me though don't cha.


Um.. No. Why do you get that idea? Is this some kind of mania? "I'm so great that people think I'm even greater than I think I am"?


come on kook where is your doc?

What the heck are you talking about now?

[Mince]

I'm in the uk, my quality of life is better than yours.

<snicker> I like you. You're funny a lot.


But high quality of life or not, are you going to be a party to that lawsuit? Certainly even with your extremely high quality of life you could use an extra 5 million dollars, yes?

[beachnut]

So not one of you de-bunkers is prepared to put your name to a documentary supporting the official version of events?
what a surprise
I do not need a documentary to see what happen on 9/11. I paid attention as history took place. Only idiots need someone else to tell them what happen on 9/11.

I do not need a documentary to know LC videos are lies.

You must of missed all the articles, and documentaries on 9/11 already. Why are truthers so challenged to find anything to help them understand 9/11? Why?

Dylan's biggest mistake, letting idiots post at LCF.

[jackchit]

<snicker> I like you. You're funny a lot.


But high quality of life or not, are you going to be a party to that lawsuit? Certainly even with your extremely high quality of life you could use an extra 5 million dollars, yes?

Do you have a brain? how can I make a case against the US government from within the uk.
I don't know how dumb you are but i'm getting an idea.

[DGM]

So not one of you de-bunkers is prepared to put your name to a documentary supporting the official version of events?
what a surprise
We prefer to let the loose change series self destruct on it's own.

[Stellafane]

And now the end is near
For my Loose Change, the Final Cutting.
And so, my critics dear,
You skeptics all, heads I’ve been butting,
I’ll take my leave of you
As I slink down my lonely highway;
This is the price I pay,
I did Deny Way.

Regrets – where do I start?
I wish I’d stayed in my home mill town.
Instead I got in bed
With JDX, jackchit and Killtown.
I’ve lived among the loons
Who think the sky’s a chemtrail flyway.
No one will touch me now,
I did Deny Way.

It’s all crashing down,
Cuts like a knife.
What will I do?
I’m marked for life!
I’ve got some fame,
But what’s the good
When all your fans
Love Judy Woods?
Down to my bones
I’m just a Jones
Drowned in Deny Way.

Career, I now have none,
I’ll never be a film director,
Because I got called out
By all of you BS detectors.
It seemed a short cut bright
To play along the CT lie way.
It was a fatal move
To do Deny Way.

Oh, I had a laugh,
I had my fun.
But it’s the end,
My time is done.
My friends depart,
Rosie and Chuck.
Cuban pulled out,
What rotten luck!
I’m now old hat --
Want fries with that? –
Oh damned Deny Way!!

[jackchit]

I do not need a documentary to see what happen on 9/11. I paid attention as history took place. Only idiots need someone else to tell them what happen on 9/11.

I do not need a documentary to know LC videos are lies.

You must of missed all the articles, and documentaries on 9/11 already. Why are truthers so challenged to find anything to help them understand 9/11? Why?

Dylan's biggest mistake, letting idiots post at LCF.
So can you tell me the quotes that Mike Parry made on that day? he was working for talksport a national radio station here in the UK, he stated that the towers would never concede to a plane attack and that the towers were indistructable according to his sources.
Mike Parry at talksport.
de-bunk this?

[JimBenArm]

Do you have a brain? how can I make a case against the US government from within the uk.
I don't know how dumb you are but i'm getting an idea.
Hi, big boy!

Remember last night? It was so special! I know you'll always treasure it.

You're being naughty again, aren't you? Oh, I love it when you're naughty!

[Mince]

Do you have a brain? how can I make a case against the US government from within the uk.

I lost my brain in the war.

Anyway, my subtle bit of sarcasm has seemed to escape you. Nobody on the Loose Change message board has any standing to sue for 9/11 damages or sue the government in any capacity, yet they are talking about suing anyway. That means you can too. Apparently American legal jurisprudence has lost its weight and meaning, and you longer require standing to sue. Accordingly, I asked you (and renew my question): Are you going to be a party to the lawsuit the gentlemen on Loose Change are going to file against the U.S. Government? Remember, you don't need standing, so it's O.K. if you're from the U.K. Are you going to join?


I don't know how dumb you are but i'm getting an idea.

Oh, I'm pretty dumb. You'll see.

[beachnut]

So can you tell me the quotes that Mike Parry made on that day? he was working for talksport a national radio station here in the UK, he stated that the towers would never concede to a plane attack and that the towers were indistructable according to his sources.
Mike Parry at talksport.
de-bunk this?
Debunked, no building is indestructible. Very easy, next please. That was easy. (indistuctable is not even possible, but I corrected it, both are wrong)

Still, Dylan's biggest blunder, letting idiots post at LCF. (which is becoming very clear)

Did that idiot get his information from the same people who said the same about the Titanic?

[LashL]

So can you tell me the quotes that Mike Parry made on that day? he was working for talksport a national radio station here in the UK, he stated that the towers would never concede to a plane attack and that the towers were indistructable according to his sources.
Mike Parry at talksport.
de-bunk this?

Um, jackchit, this should be obvious to you. The towers are no longer standing. Thus, they clearly were not indestructible.

**Note that the correct spelling is "indestructible", not "indistructable". Please, this is too easy. (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2697827&postcount=102)

[negativ]

THE biggest blunder he's ever made was the time he passed out at the Bohemian Grove, and Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld all took turns turkey slapping him, culminating in a cleveland steamer by the the actor who plays Osama in all the videos, while Larry Silverstein played "Pop Goes The Weasel" on a kazoo made from human bones.

I'm pretty sure you can get pics and video of it via an FOIA request. I hear that close examination of the tape indicates the he was only PRETENDNIG to be asleep.

[Mince]

Um, jackchit, this should be obvious to you. The towers are no longer standing. Thus, they clearly were not indestructible.

**Note that the correct spelling is "indestructible", not "indistructable". Please, this is too easy. (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2697827&postcount=102)


This nonesense is unpossible!

[Mancman]

another intellectual thread, for the title read "hey why are we right and they are wrong".
You guys sure need a lot of re-assurance.
Maybe one of you will make a documentary proving the official story.... NO?? didn't think so

Typical LCF type, you prefer your information in youtube form. Read this forum and trash produced by lunatics is debunked with words, videos are not needed.

Why don't you read a book instead of watching videos? Pick up a structural engineering book. Even a year 9 SAT science textbook would help your knowledge of 9/11.

[maccy]

Not a massive mistake, but one to put with the others. Dylan published a letter sent to The Guardian by Laura Knight-Jadczyk which complained about being called an idiot by George Monbiot. Dylan blogged it because she claimed to be "a historian and author, and wife of a physicist", he didn't check on Google and find out she is a kook who claims to channel alien beings and who has been accused of running a cult.

More:

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2007/02/another-planters-peanut.html

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=75817

[Triterope]

Dylan Avery's biggest mistake was failing to capitalize on the opportunities that Loose Change gave him.

Whatever we may think of Loose Change and its claims, we cannot deny that it has generated huge Internet buzz for Dylan Avery. And he absolutely wasted it.

At any time in the last two years, Dylan Avery could have made any damn movie he wanted, and it would have gotten tens of thousands of Internet views just from the name recognition he'd built for himself with Loose Change. He probably could have attracted investors for a film project, or parlayed his success in viral marketing into some kind of marketing/advertising career. He does seem to appeal to adolescent males; any marketing guy will tell you that's a hard demographic to reach.

But he didn't do any of that, did he? No, he made vanity videos of him and his loser friends wandering around Manhattan, and couldn't even be bothered to edit them into anything watchable. Even as his legion of fans has been begging for more. Since then he's spent most of his time on conspiracy radio shows and Internet forums, not even bothering to finish Loose Change, much less pursuing any other film projects.

For a filmmaker, Dylan Avery seems awfully uninterested in making films.

[hellaeon]

another intellectual thread, for the title read "hey why are we right and they are wrong".
You guys sure need a lot of re-assurance.
Maybe one of you will make a documentary proving the official story.... NO?? didn't think so

I will assume you lived in a cave for the last 6 years so you may have missed a tonne of quality documentaries detailing the events of 9/11.

[slingblade]

So can you tell me the quotes that Mike Parry made on that day? he was working for talksport a national radio station here in the UK, he stated that the towers would never concede to a plane attack and that the towers were indistructable according to his sources.
Mike Parry at talksport.
de-bunk this?

Mike "PORKY" Parry is co-host of the Weekend Sports Breakfast with Andy Townsend on talkSPORT. He is a comedy genius and a numpty.


Numpty

Scottish usage:
a) Someone who (sometimes unwittingly) by speech or action demonstrates a lack of knowledge or misconception of a particular subject or situation to the amusement of others.-Urban Dict.

numpty: idiot, muppet, fool, numptyesque, prat, retard, spamhead, stupid, tool, black knees, chav, eejit, loser, moron, numptwell, ball buster, buffoon, etc.--Google search







...and you took him seriously? Really? Really?

[PhantomWolf]

Perhaps not his biggest blunder, but has anyone given a credible mention to his "I've been reseaching this aircraft part for three years, anyone know what it is?"

[fezzic]

I lost my brain in the war.

Anyway, my subtle bit of sarcasm has seemed to escape you. Nobody on the Loose Change message board has any standing to sue for 9/11 damages or sue the government in any capacity, yet they are talking about suing anyway. That means you can too. Apparently American legal jurisprudence has lost its weight and meaning, and you longer require standing to sue. Accordingly, I asked you (and renew my question): Are you going to be a party to the lawsuit the gentlemen on Loose Change are going to file against the U.S. Government? Remember, you don't need standing, so it's O.K. if you're from the U.K. Are you going to join?

Oh, I'm pretty dumb. You'll see.

A real lawyer can swat me, but I think you don't need standing to sue or rather to file suit (counsel would advise that one not file in that case). It is just that when the USG requests dismissal based on lack of standing to sue, they'd probably win and any appeal too. Possibly the court might also assess court costs and attorney fees against the planstiffs.

[realitybites]

While it's probably not his "biggest blunder" (how one can quantify them to begin with is beyond me), the one I was personally involved with regarding the black boxes at the museum speaks volumes about his motives, character, and glaringly obvious lack of interest regarding anything remotely truthful.

... As one of the "leaders" of the movement, it illustrated just how lazy he in fact is.

[catbasket]

- South Park "omg they luv us"

I'd not seen the South Park episode until reading this thread. C'mon MarkyX, no way he can have thought "omg they luv us". Not even Dylan can be that stupid ... surely? Oh, hang on, I'm getting a raging clue. ;)

Please Ed, there must be a link or a screen capture for me to see the evidence? Otherwise the Kevin Smith debacle is hard to beat.

[LashL]

A real lawyer can swat me, but I think you don't need standing to sue or rather to file suit (counsel would advise that one not file in that case). It is just that when the USG requests dismissal based on lack of standing to sue, they'd probably win and any appeal too. Possibly the court might also assess court costs and attorney fees against the planstiffs.

No swat. :)

The court staff at the counter who accept the filings of originating pleadings (e.g. the "complaint" or the "statement of claim") do not assess the legal validity* of the claim at all (because they are not qualified to do so), so any idiot can file any idiotic statement of claim or complaint, and you are correct in saying that the issue of standing only comes into play later - typically when the defendant(s) raise it as a bar to the matter proceeding any further.

If a defendant is successful on a motion to strike the pleading on the basis that the plaintiff has no standing to sue, the courts here (above the 49th parallel) will almost always order the putative plaintiff to pay costs (including legal fees) to the defendant.

ETA: *the counter staff (in the court of original jurisdiction) may assess whether the pleading conforms to administrative rules pertaining to, for instance, the format of the pleading (i.e. it's on the right sized paper, has the right number of lines per page, includes the required documentation, etc.) but not as to the legal validity of any given claim.

ETA#2: I think that Mince knows this and agrees, and was not arguing to the contrary. I took from Mince's post that s/he meant that despite the lack of standing which would ultimately be found to exist in the case of the twoofers on LCF, they were oblivious to the obvious roadblock, as usual :)

[Brainache]

I'd not seen the South Park episode until reading this thread. C'mon MarkyX, no way he can have thought "omg they luv us". Not even Dylan can be that stupid ... surely? Oh, hang on, I'm getting a raging clue. ;)

Please Ed, there must be a link or a screen capture for me to see the evidence? Otherwise the Kevin Smith debacle is hard to beat.

I don't have a link to the relevant thread, but I do recall him saying something like: "they[Matt and Trey] can't jeopardise their jobs by outright agreeing with us, but from what they have Bush say, it proves they are on our side."

The usual goggle of idiots agreed.

[Orphia Nay]

I'd not seen the South Park episode until reading this thread. C'mon MarkyX, no way he can have thought "omg they luv us". Not even Dylan can be that stupid ... surely? Oh, hang on, I'm getting a raging clue. ;)

Please Ed, there must be a link or a screen capture for me to see the evidence? Otherwise the Kevin Smith debacle is hard to beat.

I think you'll find what you're looking for in the "South Park to cover 9/11 deniers!" thread.
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=65665&highlight=south+park

And a fun thread it is too! :)

[gumboot]

another intellectual thread, for the title read "hey why are we right and they are wrong".
You guys sure need a lot of re-assurance.
Maybe one of you will make a documentary proving the official story.... NO?? didn't think so



I intend to one day. When I can afford to do it properly - purchasing footage, paying proper researchers, being able to interview important people, and so forth.

-Gumboot

[Garb]

good excuse
Not really an excuse, more like the fact that I don't need to devote a large amount of my time and energy to make a documentary that I don't have any expertise in doing.

Sorry, but where is your documentary?

[uk_dave]

Well, since no 'truther' has managed to make a documentary disproving the official account, there doesn't seem to be much need for one supporting it.

[Foolmewunz]

This thought that one should be able to make the definitive OCT film or video is akin to the stupid request that someone state the OCT in encapsulated form so that Ace could then PWN us in a debate at a site and location of his choosing and a format that he would invent as he went along.

Jack (or Ace if you're reading)... there is no single outline of the "official" story of the events. There are many such items, be they books or reports or newscasts or articles in various journals.

I'm sad to report that there's actually also no "official" guide to World War II. Nor to the U.S. Civil War, the Great Irish Potato Famine, and many other events. If I'm not mistaken, this is called "history". There are books being written every year on all these topics (and thousands of others), and the understanding of them increases as more and more detailed information comes up.

Rarely does someone come along and propose that every other source was wrong, e.g. The Confederacy did not secretly win the U.S. Civil War! If/when such a person comes along, they are generally recognized for what they are: deluded.


Only troofers ask for an "official" version, because they want it to have that "official" stamp and thus have a target for their anti-officialdom.

[Orphia Nay]

Good post, Foolmewunz. :)

[catbasket]

I don't have a link to the relevant thread, but I do recall him saying something like: "they[Matt and Trey] can't jeopardise their jobs by outright agreeing with us, but from what they have Bush say, it proves they are on our side."

The usual goggle of idiots agreed.

I think you'll find what you're looking for in the "South Park to cover 9/11 deniers!" thread.
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=65665&highlight=south+park

And a fun thread it is too! :)

Brainache and Orphia Nay, I love you. That thread led me to the South Park fans forum discussion (complete with CT'ers) via the LCF discussion and finally back to sanity at JREF. There's just so much comedy gold in those threads that it's difficult to pick a stand out comment but one which had me in tears of laughter was at the SP fans forum - paraphrased it said something like "take your insane juvenile conspiracy theory garbage elsewhere, this forum is for discussing serious stuff - South Park". (I could well be conflating two posts into one there but please forgive me - my funny bone was suffering from sensory overload at the time).

[Orphia Nay]

Awww, thanks, Snow. :) Glad to see you had a fun surf. :D Thought you might. That was a classic episode in Twoof history, and I voted for it in the Dylan Avery's Biggest Blunders (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=85485) poll.

[Dave Rogers]

So can you tell me the quotes that Mike Parry made on that day? he was working for talksport a national radio station here in the UK, he stated that the towers would never concede to a plane attack and that the towers were indistructable according to his sources.
Mike Parry at talksport.
de-bunk this?

Go to Ground Zero. If the towers were indestructible, they'll still be there.

Talksport Radio, the new voice for structural engineers everywhere.

Dave

[Comsat Angel]

How come Jacko got banned? I thought he was going to get other people banned!

[gumboot]

I find the posts relating to Jacko so much funnier now that his name appears as ********.

-Gumboot

[Foolmewunz]

Wait! Jack's banned? When the H did this happen? Anything scandalous? Need gossip, people. Put it up, now!!!!

I sensed meltdown. He actually behaved himself after his first run of flaming... for oh, about three/four weeks, and then decided to come out swinging again in the last five days or so.

Too bad. See ya, Jack! Don't be strangers, ya hear!

[Dave Rogers]

Wait! Jack's banned? When the H did this happen? Anything scandalous? Need gossip, people. Put it up, now!!!!


Check the forum management section - an abusive and threatening PM to a moderator, apparently. Not too surprising given his past record.

Dave

[uk_dave]

There are some very sad and disturbed people in the 'truth' movement.

And quite alot of them come from the UK.

Which is rather sad and disturbing.

I blame the French.

[Dave Rogers]

I blame the French.

I suspect Jackchit blames you. From David Jay Jordan's bizarre thread at LCF (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=11000&hl (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=11000&hl)), he says:

The tools include UK DAVE who just followed me around the forum throwing insults and Arkan Wolfshade who quite clearly has a drink problem.

Reality, let me introduce Jackchit. Jackchit, reality. I don't think you've met.

Dave

[uk_dave]

Awwwww bless. So nice of him to notice, because if he hadn't I would still be completely unaware of ever having 'followed' him around the forum.

Actually, I suspect he has Arkan and I mixed up. hic!

ETA - I love how Jarroyo states in that thread that he doesn't post here because we're 'childish' and how they are the skeptics not us, while at the same time providing a safe haven for the likes of DJJ and Jackchit.

Choose your friends wisely young 'truther'

[Stellafane]

Jackchit banned? Banish Jack Chit, and banish all the world!

[LashL]

And now the end is near
For my Loose Change, the Final Cutting.
And so, my critics dear,
You skeptics all, heads I’ve been butting,
I’ll take my leave of you
As I slink down my lonely highway;
This is the price I pay,
I did Deny Way.

Regrets – where do I start?
I wish I’d stayed in my home mill town.
Instead I got in bed
With JDX, jackchit and Killtown.
I’ve lived among the loons
Who think the sky’s a chemtrail flyway.
No one will touch me now,
I did Deny Way.

It’s all crashing down,
Cuts like a knife.
What will I do?
I’m marked for life!
I’ve got some fame,
But what’s the good
When all your fans
Love Judy Woods?
Down to my bones
I’m just a Jones
Drowned in Deny Way.

Career, I now have none,
I’ll never be a film director,
Because I got called out
By all of you BS detectors.
It seemed a short cut bright
To play along the CT lie way.
It was a fatal move
To do Deny Way.

Oh, I had a laugh,
I had my fun.
But it’s the end,
My time is done.
My friends depart,
Rosie and Chuck.
Cuban pulled out,
What rotten luck!
I’m now old hat --
Want fries with that? –
Oh damned Deny Way!!


:dl:

Great work, Stellafane.

[JimBenArm]

Dang! Who's gonna cuddle with me, now?

[Civilized Worm]

Now I almost feel bad for the loosers having to suffer DJJ's lunacy.