Question for Mark

[pomeroo]

Mark, where did this guy get the idea that you talked about holding aluminum in your hand? In a previous post, he claimed you said you held "molten aluminum." I commented that it must have been painful.


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Your post, in reply to an earlier post (http://www.amazon.com/Architect-Richard-Gage-AE911Truth-org/forum/FxN560U7AP4EHP/Tx2I5A29FZC2D7U/1/ref=cm_cd_et_md_aep/?%5Fencoding=UTF8&cdMsgNo=25&asin=156656686X&cdSort=oldest&cdMsgID=Mx2E078OLTXPZ7E#Mx2E078OLTXPZ7E) on Jun 21, 2007 5:58 AM PDT
http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/x-locale/common/icons/drop-down-icon-small-arrow._V47082151_.gif (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) Ronald Wieck (http://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/A3TOKHVF9VI28I/ref=cm_cd_et_pdp/002-3625238-8125614) says:
The controlled demolition theory has always been utter nonsense. There is a reason why not a single demolition expert anywhere in the world thinks explosives were used in the Twin Towers (sorry, Jowenko thinks only WTC 7 was demolished--and he has bizarre reasons for thinking so).


In reply to your post (http://www.amazon.com/Architect-Richard-Gage-AE911Truth-org/forum/FxN560U7AP4EHP/Tx2I5A29FZC2D7U/2/ref=cm_cd_et_md_yp/?%5Fencoding=UTF8&cdMsgNo=26&asin=156656686X&cdSort=oldest&cdMsgID=Mx1HDUWN0LMQKBY#Mx1HDUWN0LMQKBY) on Jun 21, 2007 11:33 PM PDT
http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/x-locale/common/icons/drop-down-icon-small-arrow._V47082151_.gif (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) DenVilda (http://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/A36BESSEQN1D0Z/ref=cm_cd_et_pdp/002-3625238-8125614) says:
Talk is cheap. There is not a single demolition expert in the world who can use fire and debris damage to cause an entire building to implode like WTC7. In one of your shows with the Loose Change crew you asked them what could "falsify" their belief that 9/11 was not an inside job. I have an easy answer: when a demolition expert uses fire to cause an entire building to implode, like WTC7, and destroy a large steel frame highrise, like WTC1 and WTC2, that captures all the dynamics -- pulverization of concrete, lateral ejection of steel beams, similar speed of collapse etc. Is this not fair?

What would it take to falsfify your belief that the towers were not brought down with explosives?

You still are ignoring my request concerning Mr Roberts' statement that he personally held the aluminum in his hand, and why he didn't provide this sample to NIST or FEMA, and how did he acquire it and from whom?
You replied with a later post (http://www.amazon.com/Architect-Richard-Gage-AE911Truth-org/forum/FxN560U7AP4EHP/Tx2I5A29FZC2D7U/2/ref=cm_cd_et_md_alp/?%5Fencoding=UTF8&cdMsgNo=28&asin=156656686X&cdSort=oldest&cdMsgID=MxXZ6LH5SW7SO5#MxXZ6LH5SW7SO5)




Your post, in reply to an earlier post (http://www.amazon.com/Architect-Richard-Gage-AE911Truth-org/forum/FxN560U7AP4EHP/Tx2I5A29FZC2D7U/2/ref=cm_cd_et_md_aep/?%5Fencoding=UTF8&cdMsgNo=27&asin=156656686X&cdSort=oldest&cdMsgID=Mx15QBLZG400YX3#Mx15QBLZG400YX3) on Jun 22, 2007 4:42 AM PDT
http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/x-locale/common/icons/drop-down-icon-small-arrow._V47082151_.gif (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) Ronald Wieck (http://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/A3TOKHVF9VI28I/ref=cm_cd_et_pdp/002-3625238-8125614) says:
Yes, talk is very cheap. When NIST releases its comprehensive study of the collapse of WTC 7 it will undoubtedly show that no explosives were involved. And fantasists will dismiss it without reading it.

My belief that no explosives were involved in the collapse of the Twin Towers could be falsified by challenging the judgment of ALL demolition specialists that the task of preparing those huge structures for demolition would have been a logistical impossibility; by showing the errors made by seismologists at the Lamont-Doherty labs who concluded that their data showed the plane impacts and the collapses, but no secondary explosions; by providing evidence in the form of residues that hasn't been explained by researchers such as Dr. Frank Greening in his paper on sulfur; by demonstrating problems with the collapse mechanism presented by NIST--this list can be lengthened.

On the other hand, nothing could shake your agenda-driven belief in the baseless myth that the Towers were blown up.

[Undesired Walrus]

Why, Ron, Mark mentioned this on your very own show!

It wasn't molten at the time, I believe it had solidified, but Mark has held it. I'm sure we would all like him to elaborate on it, it seems very interesting, but he didn't seem to have enough time on Hardfire.

[pomeroo]

Why, Ron, Mark mentioned this on your very own show!

It wasn't molten at the time, I believe it had solidified, but Mark has held it. I'm sure we would all like him to elaborate on it, it seems very interesting, but he didn't seem to have enough time on Hardfire.



I had a vague recollection of Mark saying something about holding a piece of aluminum. I really didn't want to watch all five shows he appeared on to track down the reference, so I felt I should ask Mark to expand on this.

[Hyperviolet]

Yeah, its from your Hardfire debate with Loose Change.

On the topic of the molten metal pouring out of the south tower (steel or aluminium). Mark says that he later held a piece in his hand, and that it was aluminium. Obviously, not still in its molten state.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=eFF_17mgL4c&mode=related&search=

About 2 minutes in.

[Gravy]

One of the benefits of my work is that I sometimes get tours behind the scenes in a wide range places: theaters, TV studios, skyscraper mechanical systems, power plants, laboratories, museums, and exhibits.

The pieces of WTC aluminum I handled had characteristics of having cooled while falling in the air (I suppose falling through water is also a possibility). The curator said to me "I bet you can't guess what this is," but I guessed right away. This was before I knew of the conspiracy nonsense or the video of molten material coming from the south tower.

There is a place where the public can handle small debris from Ground Zero: steel, glass, and rubble (which has been cleared for this purpose by investigators and by families). I'm not going to advertise it here because I'm certain that 9/11 deniers would steal these things. People can PM me if they want to visit that place.

At Ground Zero, on Liberty Street next to FDNY 10 House there is a small exhibit that includes large pieces of structural steel, the battered uniform of a fallen firefighter, part of an aircraft fuselage, metal that has melted and cooled (appears to be mostly aluminum), and other artifacts from the towers. Tribute 9/11 WTC Visitor Center (http://www.tributewtc.org/)

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