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DrDisco
22nd June 2007, 09:35 AM
I really hope this hasn't been posted before! And, if it needs to be moved to a more appropriate forum, so be it. But I thought this crowd would appreciate it best:

Was the Death Star Attack an Inside Job?

We’ve all heard the “official conspiracy theory” of the Death Star attack. We all know about Luke Skywalker and his ragtag bunch of rebels, how they mounted a foolhardy attack on the most powerful, well-defended battle station ever built. And we’ve all seen the video over, and over, and over, of the one-in-a-million shot that resulted in a massive chain reaction that not just damaged, but completely obliterated that massive technological wonder.

Like many, I was fed this story when I was growing up. But as I watched the video, I began to realize that all was not as it seemed. And the more I questioned the official story, the deeper into the rabbit hole I went.

Presented here are some of the results of my soul-searching regarding this painful event. Like many citizens, I have many questions that I would like answered: was the mighty Imperial government really too incompetent to prevent a handful of untrained nerf-herders from destroying one of their most prized assets? Or are they hiding something from us? Who was really behind the attack? Why did they want the Death Star destroyed? No matter what the answers, we have a problem.


1) Why were a handful of rebel fighters able to penetrate the defenses of a battle station that had the capability of destroying an entire planet and the defenses to ward off several fleets of battle ships?

2) Why did Grand Moff Tarkin refuse to deploy the station’s large fleet of TIE Fighters until it was too late? Was he acting on orders from somebody to not shoot down the rebel attack force? If so, who, and why?

3) Why was the rebel pilot who supposedly destroyed the Death Star reported to be on the Death Star days, maybe hours, prior to its destruction? Why was he allowed to escape, and why were several individuals dressed in Stormtrooper uniforms seen helping him?

4) Why has there not been an investigation into allegations that Darth Vader, the second-ranking member of the Imperial Government, is in fact the father of the pilot who allegedly destroyed the Death Star?

5) Why did Lord Vader decide to break all protocols and personally pilot a lightly armored TIE Fighter? Conveniently, this placed Lord Vader outside of the Death Star when it was destroyed, where he was also conveniently able to escape from a large-sized rebel fleet that had just routed the Imperial forces. Why would Lord Vader, one of the highest ranking members of the Imperial Government, suddenly decide to fly away from the Death Star in the middle of a battle? Did he know something that the rest of the Imperial Navy didn’t?

In the video of the Death Star’s destruction, Lord Vader clearly exclaims “I have you now” then fires two shots. Those shots never impact — anywhere. Were they merely “added” to the “official” video after the event to make it appear that Lord Vader had at least attempted to fight off his alleged son?


6) Nerf-Herders defy the laws of physics? How could any pilot shoot a missile into a 2 meter-wide exhaust port, let alone a pilot with no formal training, whose only claim to fame was his ability to “bullseye womprats” on Tatooine? This shot, according to one pilot, would be “impossible, even for a computer.” Yet, according to additional evidence, the pilot who allegedly fired the missile turned off his targeting computer when he was supposedly firing the shot that destroyed the Death Star. How did the missile make a right angle turn after entering the exhaust port? How could a missile shot in the vacuum of space–that would tend to keep going in the same direction as it was released, according to the laws of physics–be *sucked* into an *exhaust* pipe? "Exhaust" means to exhale or blow out... Wouldn’t the missiles have been blown awry of their target rather than sucked in? If it had been an intake pipe, then the “bending” path of the missiles could be plausible. Why have these discrepancies never been investigated, let alone explained?

7) Why has their been no investigation into evidence that the droids who provided the rebels with the Death Star plans were once owned by none other than Lord Vader himself, and were found, conveniently, by the pilot who destroyed the Death Star, and who is also believed to be Lord Vader’s son? Evidence also shows that the droids were brought to one Ben Kenobi, who, records indicate, was Darth Vader’s teacher many years earlier! Are all these personal connections between the conspirators and a key figure in the Imperial government supposed to be coincidences?

8) How could a single missile destroy a battle station the size of a moon? No records, anywhere, show that any battle station or capital ship has ever been destroyed by a single missile. Furthermore, analysis of the tape of the last moments of the Death Star show numerous small explosions along its surface, prior to it exploding completely! Why does all evidence indicate that strategically placed explosives, not a single missile, is what destroyed the Death Star?

9) Prior to the destruction of the Death Star a smuggler named Captain Solo was reportedly given a large sum of money. At a crucial point in the battle, Captain Solo had an unobstructed shot on his choice of the fighters pursuing Skywalker, yet Solo did not take advantage of this opportunity to kill Darth Vader. Although Vader was in the process of firing upon Skywalker’s X-wing, Solo attacked the defensive fighter instead. In the aftermath, Vader escaped, while Solo still had crates of money in his cargo hold. Captain Solo eventually made his way to the Bespin system, where he was seen dining with none other than Vader, who was reportedly obsessed with obtaining Captain Solo’s ship (and the money contained therein). Solo’s ship was then seen flying into the super-structure of the second Death Star, destroying it just after Vader was able to get out (he was seen leaving a shuttle piloted by none other than Luke Skywalker). Yet through this whole sequence of events, the money was never seen removed from Solo’s ship. Was it used to bribe Darth Vader, who (allegedly) assassinated Palpatine? Did anyone other than Vader and Skywalker actually see Emperor Palpatine die?

10 ) During pilot debriefing we leaned that Obi Wan was the one who told Luke to turn off his targeting computer. He said he was told by Obi Wan to "Let go" and "Trust me". This is the same Obi Wan who was, according to the official story, killed after sabotaging the Death Star by none other than Darth Vader BEFORE speaking to Luke. His convenient death places him inside the Death Star just before the explosions on the surface occur. By faking his death Vader would have given Obi Wan time to plant explosives. The only evidence of his death is his Jedi robe on surveillance cameras. And even that can't be found because they decided to conveniently let the evidence burn in the planet atmosphere. Also, why are there reports from Endor that Lord Vader, Obi Wan and Yoda were seen together AFTER their deaths? And who other than the Empire has the capacity to fake their deaths?

11) Lord Vader executed an officer for incompetence by allowing the rebels to escape. He then orders another officer to disable the Millennium Falcon's hyper drive. The rebels once again escape using the disabled hyper drive. Why was the officer responsible for caring out Lord Vader's order to disable the hyper drive not executed? Why was he in fact given NO disciplinary action what so ever? Why did Lord Vader only disable the hyper drive? If Lord Vader didn't want the rebels to escape, why didn't he disable the ship entirely?

12) Why did the captain of the Imperial Stardestroyer not fire upon the lifepod with the droids carrying Death Star plans? The "official story" says he didn't find the any signs of life. He said "Hold your fire. There are no life forms. It must have been short-circuited." Why would he be looking for life when it was electronic plans he should have been looking for. Why did he jump to the conclusion it was "short-circuited". Is he a lifepod engineer?

How can all this be just incompetence and coincidence? IMPOSSIBLE!

The most important question of all is why would a shadowy group in the Empire want to destroy such a technological wonder? Is it an excuse to invade Hoth and steal their oil; a planet which didn’t have anything to do with the attacks. Or is it to take away your religious freedoms to practice the dark side of the force? As incredible as this sounds it makes more sense than the official story.

The only way we will ever get answers to these and other troubling questions is by voting into the office those who will make an investigation into the official story a priority. Listen to the "Bombad General" of Gungan. A whistleblower with connections to Emperor Palpatine.

" Heyo-dalee, mesa yous humble servaunt culled Jaja Binkss. Mesa wanna spake at yous bout tis a long tale toll by dissa big bosses.

Mesa day starten pitty okeyday witda brisky morning munchen. Den boom.... before mesa knowen it...pow! Mesa runnin tada senate. Nosir, nosir. Mesa hate da senate. Dat's da last ting mesa wanten. Wit no-nutten mula to campaignin wit.

Trooperz do die'n without a fight? Trooperz isa warriors! Dead Sta gotta grand army. Dare-sa nobody dare. All gone. Some kinda fight? Sorry, no trooperz...no trooperz. Dissen all pitty odd to my... Wierdind... Mesa tink dissa nutsen!

Mesa need mooie mooie yousa mula ta fightin wit da big bosses, okeyday?"

Donate now to the "Jar Jar Binkss for Senator" campaign and the "Galaxy for Death Star Truth". May the dark side of the force be with you.

negativ
22nd June 2007, 10:53 AM
Also, don't forget the obviously doctored footage of Solo murdering a member of a Huttese entrepreneur's accounting staff. Why was it altered so as to make Solo's callous act of deliberate murder seem like righteous self-defense?

Undesired Walrus
22nd June 2007, 11:07 AM
You telling me a cave-dwelling tatooine could destroy a death star?

IT WAS THE FIRST DEATH STAR IN HISTORY TO EVER BLOW UP FROM BOMBS!

AlanGreenspan
22nd June 2007, 12:02 PM
An x-wing can't execute the maneuvers the OCT claim Luke Skywalker did, therefore this just t.v. fakery. The Death Star was, in fact, imploded.

gumboot
22nd June 2007, 12:03 PM
Exclusive surveillance footage revealing how the Death Star was really destroyed:

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-Gumboot

Corsair 115
22nd June 2007, 12:42 PM
One must also ask was there anyone who benefitted financially from the Death Star's destruction? Was there an insurance policy taken out on the battle station? Who held the policy? Who was the beneficiary?

TellyKNeasuss
22nd June 2007, 02:19 PM
I've always wondered why Darth Vader and his wingmen were not warned about the return of the Millenium Falcon. The most high-tech battle station ever built couldn't track a cargo ship? Were the people who monitored space traffic ordered to stand down?

Nim Chimpsky
22nd June 2007, 02:35 PM
Quote from Storm Trooper Rodriguez:

I AM the Death Star tragedy. I clearly heard explosions BEFORE there were any sightings of rebel fighters anywhere NEAR the death star.

HeyLeroy
22nd June 2007, 02:35 PM
http://liveu-20.vo.llnwd.net/vidilife/image/2006/10/10/946639/1225920L.gif

Monza
22nd June 2007, 02:37 PM
IT WAS THE FIRST DEATH STAR IN HISTORY TO EVER BLOW UP FROM BOMBS!

It wasn't bombs. It was, allegedly, photon torpedos. And we all know that photon torpedos cannot melt steel.

Mangoose
22nd June 2007, 03:06 PM
Is there any evidence that the Death Star was a real terroristic threat? Or was this another lie perpetuated by those who orchestrate this faux war between the Rebellion and the Empire? We are supposed to believe that the Death Star destroyed the planet of Alderaan. But there are no witnesses to this event and no evidence that the weapons system on the Death Star was ever deployed, if it even existed. The Empire probably used a fleet of super star destroyers to secretly vaporize the planet, and then transported them all away in the blink of an eye using their hyperdrive systems.

Undesired Walrus
22nd June 2007, 03:14 PM
More to the point, the rebel member Luke Skywalker conveniantly walked through the entire death star disguised as a Stormtrooper. Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought no other than Obi-Wan Kenobi oversaw the creation of the StormTroppers as a clone army? An entire war was then subsequently fought called the 'Clone Wars'.

So somehow, Skywalker found the only suit in the entire clone army that fitted him, even though he was far smaller then Jango Fett?

Debunkers, how do you explain that?

jhunter1163
22nd June 2007, 03:18 PM
I hate to rain on parades, but not only was this posted here previously, but I believe one of our members wrote it. It's a Big Lebowski though: I've seen it before, but it's still good.

Nim Chimpsky
22nd June 2007, 03:27 PM
I hate to rain on parades, but not only was this posted here previously, but I believe one of our members wrote it.

false dichotomy
non-sequitir
straw-man

What are you really saying? Just because that's a fact doesn't make it true. Since I've never seen it before, it's new. If it's new then there is NO way that it could have been posted here PRIOR to this thread.

man is that all you got? pwned

and everyone knows that the Star Wars franchise is controlled by the zionists as well.

Undesired Walrus
22nd June 2007, 03:34 PM
Haha, you debunkers are getting Pwned.

Explain to me, why Luke Skywalker reported Obi Wan's body fading to nothing when Obi Wan's master, Qui Gon Jinn, had to be burnt after he was killed by a sith lord?

Jonnyclueless
22nd June 2007, 03:47 PM
I hate to rain on parades, but not only was this posted here previously, but I believe one of our members wrote it. It's a Big Lebowski though: I've seen it before, but it's still good.

That's just what the government wants you to believe. While you were busy thinking there was such a thread, the Death Star was flying over the north side.And the TRUTH should be repeated. There is overwhelming evidence of dusitfication of the Death star. And if it really was the Death star, where are the engines?

Say, I see your shwartz is bigger than mine.

Jedi_Master
22nd June 2007, 04:11 PM
HAH !!!!

They used bombs to take out the force field on the forest moon of Endor, so ergo they used bombs to take out the Death Star...

And can you tell me how a bunch of over stuffed teddy bears on the moon (a moon mind you not a real planet) of Endor, can take out an ENTIRE LEGION of the best troopers with just a bunch of rocks and sticks ???

BAHHH !!!

It was an inside job and those troopers were SACRIFICED !!! They had Mini Nukes implanted in their suits !!! It was only made to look like they were taken out by the teddy bears !!!!

MEDIA MANIPULATION !!!

Mince
22nd June 2007, 04:17 PM
Here are my reflections, not necessarily in order of magnitude.

1. Conflict of inerest. Darth (the Empire's second in command) was the father of Luke (Rebel hero). Oh, and look who got the lucky, final shot. That's riiiiiiiight. Coincidence? There are just too many coincidences here to believe it was anything but LIHOP.

2. There were only 3 TIE fighters that launched. Why the stand-down order? Has anyone ever interviewed a TIE pilot? Why the silence?

3. This is a photograph taken of General Needa (later admiral) and Admiral Piot (The Empire's Secretary of Defense at the time): http://www.geocities.com/imperialchicks/images/needa2.jpg.

Here is the transcript of the conversation, according to Needa's testimony, those two had in the early stages of the attack:*

Needa: "Sir, the X-Wings, Y-Wings and A-Wings are 250 sectars out, does the order still stand?"

Piot: "Of course the order still stands. Have you heard anything different?"

(Many Bothans paid with their lives to bring us this information).

4. Where is the TIE fighter, X-Wing and Death Star wreckage. All of that material and not one ounce has been recovered so that it may be analyzed. Veerrrrrrry convenient indeed.

5. Who ordered the garbage dump? Some time after the attack, when the Falcon attatched itself to a Star Destroyer, a garbage-dump was ordered, allowing the Falcon to float away, and escape, with the garbage. Since when is it standard protocol to do a garbage dump when you have an enemy ship missing?


These are just five smoking laser blasters. There are many more.

www.deathstartruth.org (http://www.deathstartruth.org)

Mince
22nd June 2007, 04:35 PM
*Why wasn't TK-421 at his post? Why has he not been interviewed? It gets better. TK-421 was seen, on camera, making an ATM withdrawal at a Coruscant Wal-Mart the night before the attack.

http://moblog.co.uk/view.php?id=106519

TellyKNeasuss
22nd June 2007, 04:38 PM
What's always bothered me is where did Darth Vader escape to. Could a TIE fighter have flown all the way to another planetary system? More likely, he had pre-positioned another vessel nearby that he flew to. I'm not espousing any particular theory; I'm just raising questions.

Thunder
22nd June 2007, 04:54 PM
Darth Vader was clearly a Zionist. He wore all black (Hasidic Jew), constantly referred to his immense power (chosen people).

Mince
22nd June 2007, 05:12 PM
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1758144573645641683&q=destruction+of+the+death+star&total=95&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=5

Here, educate youselves. This film is going to go supernova and then you DSOCT apologist gatekeepers are going to be hung for your treason.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1587920034623626166&q=death+star+explosion&total=65&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

At 37 seconds in, look at all of the secondary explosions and squibs. I guess you debunkers are going to tell me those were high-powered potato chip bags exploding... LOL

http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~vernal/understand/img/deathstar.jpg


http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~vernal/understand/img/deathstar.jpg


Also read this technical analysis paper done by Dr. Grank Freening and Silvester Jones:

http://www.theforce.net/swtc/ds/ruction.html



"Great shot kid, that was one in a million."--Han Solo shortly after the controlled explosion.

One in a million? And Luke just happened to get it right the first time? O.K.

You sheep need to start waking up.






www.scholarsfordeathstartruth.com (http://www.scholarsfordeathstartruth.com)
www.wearedeathstartruth.com (http://www.wearedeathstartruth.com)
www.deathstartruthorlies.org (http://www.deathstartruthorlies.org)

portlandatheist
22nd June 2007, 05:27 PM
The same people who want you to believe that a ragtag group of rebels with limited pilot skills could destroy the death star also want you to believe the red socks won the world series. I can't post the link but websurdity has a good article on the topic.
From website:
The Boston Red Sox had not won a World Series in over 80 years, while the New York Yankees won 26. The Red Sox had won 4 American League Championship Series, while the Yankees won 39! The gigantic difference in numbers alone show that the Red Sox defeating the Yankees defies all reason and logic.

Are we really supposed to believe that a baseball team could lose the first 3 games of the series only to come back and win the next 4 when this has never happened before in history?! What kinda of sheeple do they think we are to believe such nonsense.

AlanGreenspan
22nd June 2007, 05:31 PM
VADER: They must be trying to return the stolen plans to the princess.
She may yet be of some use to us.

OMG this is HUGE!!! Darth Vader is blatantly admitting LIHOP there!

Damn the universal elite.

Checkmite
22nd June 2007, 05:48 PM
It wasn't bombs. It was, allegedly, photon torpedos. And we all know that photon torpedos cannot melt steel.

Proton torpedoes. This difference may be significant; or, it may not be.

Hutch
22nd June 2007, 07:11 PM
I've always wondered why Darth Vader and his wingmen were not warned about the return of the Millenium Falcon. The most high-tech battle station ever built couldn't track a cargo ship? Were the people who monitored space traffic ordered to stand down?



Obviously,Han Solo had turned off his intergalactic transponder...

Fronzel
22nd June 2007, 07:53 PM
Proton torpedoes. This difference may be significant; or, it may not be.

We don't know where the Enterprise was at the time.

Corsair 115
22nd June 2007, 08:11 PM
What's always bothered me is where did Darth Vader escape to. Could a TIE fighter have flown all the way to another planetary system?No, it's more unlikely than that. It just so happened that Darth Vader happened to be flying the only experimental TIE fighter equipped with a hyperdrive, which conveniently allowed him to escape to another star system and not die stranded in space.

Checkmite
22nd June 2007, 08:56 PM
We don't know where the Enterprise was at the time.


Dude, the Enterprise could've totally blown up the Death Star.

Corsair 115
22nd June 2007, 08:58 PM
Dude, the Enterprise could've totally blown up the Death Star.Which one? There's been like twenty of them in Starfleet so far. (An aside: given the regularity at which ships named Enterprise have been destroyed, you'd think Starfleet would be getting a bit nervous about bestowing that name upon a ship.)

kookbreaker
22nd June 2007, 09:00 PM
I really hope this hasn't been posted before! And, if it needs to be moved to a more appropriate forum, so be it. But I thought this crowd would appreciate it best:


BAH! (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=55261&highlight=Death+Star) I say BAH! (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=55261&highlight=Death+Star) to you latecomer!!!!

Safe-Keeper
23rd June 2007, 01:23 AM
I once wrote a similar parody about the destruction of the Executor. I planned to upload it to my blog and use it to point out to the truthers how these theories can look very convincing and still be false, but never got around to it.

portlandatheist
23rd June 2007, 02:30 AM
What's the matter with you people?! I posted facts, not speculation, about the Red Sock and the world series that should raise some serious red flags. The Death Star Attack was not an isolated incident. Can't you see the relationship between the supposed rebel attack on the Death Star and the supposed defeat of the Yankees by the Red Sox in the world series? So Debunkers, tell me one other time in all of history where a baseball team lost the first three games and then went on to win the world series.
I'm waiting....

jhunter1163
23rd June 2007, 06:45 AM
Which one? There's been like twenty of them in Starfleet so far. (An aside: given the regularity at which ships named Enterprise have been destroyed, you'd think Starfleet would be getting a bit nervous about bestowing that name upon a ship.)

That's an exaggeration. There have only been seven. Even so, if the first six ships carrying that name were blown up, would YOU sign up on #7?

negativ
23rd June 2007, 07:00 AM
Have you read the Project for Nepotistic Imperial Supremacy document??!!??!?!! That's the key to the whole thing.

jhunter1163
23rd June 2007, 07:19 AM
Have you read the Project for Nepotistic Imperial Supremacy document??!!??!?!! That's the key to the whole thing.

I have the Leading Armies to Ruin Generators on Endor/ Project for Nepotistic Imperial Supremacy document.

In wide-screen.

Undesired Walrus
23rd June 2007, 07:22 AM
Which one? There's been like twenty of them in Starfleet so far. (An aside: given the regularity at which ships named Enterprise have been destroyed, you'd think Starfleet would be getting a bit nervous about bestowing that name upon a ship.)

Not to mention Jean-Luc Picard convienently being sited standing next to the first Warp Ship in 2060. I thought the first Enterprise was 200 years later?
Was he controlling the world?

Probably.

JQH
23rd June 2007, 07:35 AM
One must also ask was there anyone who benefitted financially from the Death Star's destruction? Was there an insurance policy taken out on the battle station? Who held the policy? Who was the beneficiary?

The contractors who build the replacement are obvious beneficiaries. It was done for the money, much more likely than the notion that a raggedey-arsed bunch of religious fanatics from the back of beyond could destroy a technological wonder such as the Death Star.

JQH
23rd June 2007, 07:40 AM
What's always bothered me is where did Darth Vader escape to. Could a TIE fighter have flown all the way to another planetary system? More likely, he had pre-positioned another vessel nearby that he flew to. I'm not espousing any particular theory; I'm just raising questions.


Obviously, he was picked up by the "Rebels", thus proving collusion. The so called rebels are clearly part of the NGO (New Galactic Order).

FactCheck
23rd June 2007, 07:43 AM
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http://www.debunking911.com/questions.htm

FactCheck
23rd June 2007, 08:04 AM
Which one? There's been like twenty of them in Starfleet so far. (An aside: given the regularity at which ships named Enterprise have been destroyed, you'd think Starfleet would be getting a bit nervous about bestowing that name upon a ship.)

Interesting point. Star Wars takes place far in the past but the enterprise has been known to go back in time. Is the enterprise part of an empiral plot? This should be investigated as well!

I'd give my last Tatooine slave to know the truth!

JimBenArm
23rd June 2007, 05:51 PM
I have the Leading Armies to Ruin Generators on Endor/ Project for Nepotistic Imperial Supremacy document.

In wide-screen.
Of course, wide screen. Otherwise, they have to lop off part of it...

Mince
23rd June 2007, 07:12 PM
Of course, wide screen. Otherwise, they have to lop off part of it...

jhunter's Project for Nepotistic Imperial Supremecy has been formatted to fit your screen.