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Temporal Renegade
22nd June 2007, 01:18 PM
Here's a quote from today's Detroit News. You'd think the city's Pastors would have better things to spend money and time on, before tackling this:
(Full article is here: http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070622/METRO/706220392&imw=Y)
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DETROIT -- A city crackdown on strip clubs already has cost taxpayers nearly $500,000 in a lawsuit settlement with one operator -- and it could soon get even more costly.

The Detroit City Council approved the strip club payout in a suit filed by downtown's Famous Door II -- now Bouzouki's II -- after the council wouldn't let the owners transfer their topless entertainment permit to a buyer. Council members have done the same with at least one other strip bar looking to sell, prompting a lawsuit from the Zoo Bar owners in U.S. District Court challenging the city's adult entertainment ordinances. Seven other license transfers are pending.

If Detroit -- a city that has a projected deficit this year between $89 million and $150 million -- loses the Zoo Bar lawsuit, it could cost millions and overturn substantial parts of the city's adult entertainment regulations, allowing more strip clubs to open unfettered, critics say.

"I have talked to (city officials) until I was blue in the face about the potential here," said Brad Shafer, a Zoo Bar attorney, who argues the regulations are unconstitutional. "They don't care."

Powerful pastors and other community activists have lobbied the City Council to use 2003 guidelines to reject the transfer of permits, arguing that Detroit has too many strip bars and that they are crime magnets.

The city has 31 venues with topless permits that serve alcohol. That's more than a third of the statewide total.

"If you are going to change ownership, we are going to shut you down," declared Robin Barnes, a community outreach liaison for the Rev. Marvin Winans' Perfecting Church. "I think it's worth the cost. I don't mind paying you $500,000 if you aren't in my neighborhood."
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Now, I understand the need to have safer neighbourhoods; I don't fault them for that. But, to basically throw money at the club owners to 'go away'---money the city doesn't have--seems a bit of a waste. Maybe the clergy should've been this adamant when the city needed to keep firefighters and police....

Ducky
22nd June 2007, 09:47 PM
Huh. Windsor has fully nude bars and doesn't have neighborhoods anywhere near as dangerous.

Looks like the Detroit patrons of the exotic dance clubs will do what I always did when I lived there...

Go to Windsor.


Whole lotta money the city could be taxing...


ETA: For a city that could use the business, Detroit sure seems to be pretty choosy what businesses it wants to drive out of town.

Wolfman
22nd June 2007, 09:57 PM
"If you are going to change ownership, we are going to shut you down," declared Robin Barnes, a community outreach liaison for the Rev. Marvin Winans' Perfecting Church. "I think it's worth the cost. I don't mind paying you $500,000 if you aren't in my neighborhood."
Now, wait a sec...this makes no sense whatsoever. First, its not the church's $500,000 that is being used. I'm sure you think it's "worth the cost" when the money in question isn't coming from your pocket!

But beyond that, I don't see how this would lead to getting rid of strip clubs; quite the opposite, if I were a strip club operator, I'd see this as an awesome financial opportunity! First, put your establishment up for sale; second, wait for the gov't to step in, and say that you can't transfer your topless entertainment permit; third, sue the city, get $500,000; then fourth, don't sell the strip club, and you're half a million dollars ahead of the game.

NoZed Avenger
22nd June 2007, 10:10 PM
And of course the clubs that don't plan to sell get less competition.



It's weird -- here whenever there's a fight about a dry county thinking of opening up to alcohol sales, there's a rush of two groups to prevent it: (1) the church groups, and (2) the booze lobby, who have opened up alcohol multi-plexes *just* over the county line, and stand to lose a bundle.

I have always wondered how the church groups justify standing shoulder to shoulder with those guys.

Temporal Renegade
23rd June 2007, 05:07 AM
Huh. Windsor has fully nude bars and doesn't have neighborhoods anywhere near as dangerous.

Looks like the Detroit patrons of the exotic dance clubs will do what I always did when I lived there...

Go to Windsor.


Whole lotta money the city could be taxing...


ETA: For a city that could use the business, Detroit sure seems to be pretty choosy what businesses it wants to drive out of town.


Tell me about it; the Mayor still has some unfinished questions about misappropriation of charity monies (from charities his family runs, by the way).

As for clubs, you can't beat the Windsor Ballet, anyway. :)

Temporal Renegade
23rd June 2007, 05:09 AM
And of course the clubs that don't plan to sell get less competition.



It's weird -- here whenever there's a fight about a dry county thinking of opening up to alcohol sales, there's a rush of two groups to prevent it: (1) the church groups, and (2) the booze lobby, who have opened up alcohol multi-plexes *just* over the county line, and stand to lose a bundle.

I have always wondered how the church groups justify standing shoulder to shoulder with those guys.

Well, as you know, jobs aren't important when (a) it's a job you disagree with, and (b) you already have one (Screw others, if *they* don't have one).

Temporal Renegade
23rd June 2007, 05:14 AM
Now, wait a sec...this makes no sense whatsoever. First, its not the church's $500,000 that is being used. I'm sure you think it's "worth the cost" when the money in question isn't coming from your pocket!

But beyond that, I don't see how this would lead to getting rid of strip clubs; quite the opposite, if I were a strip club operator, I'd see this as an awesome financial opportunity! First, put your establishment up for sale; second, wait for the gov't to step in, and say that you can't transfer your topless entertainment permit; third, sue the city, get $500,000; then fourth, don't sell the strip club, and you're half a million dollars ahead of the game.

I guess Morality trumps Sensibility when it's not your cash. Why not just give every club owner $500,000 to $1,000,000 to close up? After all, "it's worth it", right? Detroit doesn't need fire or police protection, but it does need protection from naughtiness.

ClintonHammond
23rd June 2007, 05:16 AM
"Windsor has fully nude bars"
Windsor has LEGAL prostitution! Who needs strip clubs???

Wolfman
23rd June 2007, 05:27 AM
"Windsor has fully nude bars"
Windsor has LEGAL prostitution! Who needs strip clubs???
For pretty much the same reason that alcohol is legal, but you still need liquor stores :D

Temporal Renegade
23rd June 2007, 05:27 AM
"Windsor has fully nude bars"
Windsor has LEGAL prostitution! Who needs strip clubs???

Yep, and casinos, as well.

God's Country, indeed! :D

Temporal Renegade
23rd June 2007, 05:28 AM
For pretty much the same reason that alcohol is legal, but you still need liquor stores :D

But you still have to buy liquor at The Liquor Store, and beer at The Beer Store.

Stores with only liquor or beer.

Damn! :D

ClintonHammond
23rd June 2007, 05:39 AM
"the same reason that alcohol is legal, but you still need liquor stores"
That comparison makes no sense at all...

If in Windsor, you want a legit hooker, you sure don't go to the strip clubs....

"God's Country, indeed!"
God Schmod!

Temporal Renegade
23rd June 2007, 05:44 AM
"the same reason that alcohol is legal, but you still need liquor stores"
That comparison makes no sense at all...

If in Windsor, you want a legit hooker, you sure don't go to the strip clubs....

"God's Country, indeed!"
God Schmod!

OK OK...don't get all uncool and heavy... :D

Ducky
23rd June 2007, 11:58 AM
"Windsor has fully nude bars"
Windsor has LEGAL prostitution! Who needs strip clubs???

The point was, the quoted portion of the OP inferred that strip clubs create bad neighborhoods/increase crime rates. It's obviously not the case.