Incitement to Genocide -- Look who's complaining!

[webfusion]

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/874098.html
Israel said Friday it sent letters to the United Nations secretary-general and the president of the General Assembly urging the international community to speak out against human rights abuses in Iran.


The UN spokesman for Iran's UN Mission, dismissed the Israeli letters, saying "it is bordering absurdity that Israel as the world's most egregious violator of human rights is complaining about human rights in Iran."

In another thread, I posted a link to an article about a guy in Iran being lashed 130 times for drinking beer at a private backyard bar-b-q. (http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1787863.ece)
And mentioned the whole tragedy of 4.5-million Ahwazis who have been subjugated (http://www.ahwaz.org.uk/about.html)

In terms of "human rights", does Israel really deserve UN condemnation? Does Iran?
(for the purpose of this thread, leave aside the topic of the "1967 Six-Day War occupation" and just focus on Israeli internal societal norms).

[Cheesejoff]

I think Iran's complaint is probably in reference to Israel's treatment of Palestinians, not how Israel treats its own citizens.

[webfusion]

I think Iran's complaint is probably in reference to Israel's treatment of Palestinians, not how Israel treats its own citizens.

Over 1.2-million Israeli citizens are palestinians.

In any event, is this a case of pot calling the kettle black? Is Israel actually in the position of "people living in glass houses should not cast stones" ?

Again, leave out the occupied territories, and focus on Israeli internal politics and levels of human rights (compared to Iran's).

[The Fool]

Over 1.2-million Israeli citizens are palestinians.

In any event, is this a case of pot calling the kettle black? Is Israel actually in the position of "people living in glass houses should not cast stones" ?

Again, leave out the occupied territories, and focus on Israeli internal politics and levels of human rights (compared to Iran's).
leave out the occupied territories? sheeeesh web. You want to be judged on human rights after you leave out the bits that don't make you look so good?

I know one way you can leave out the occupied territories....

[Art Vandelay]

I think Iran's complaint is probably in reference to Israel's treatment of Palestinians, not how Israel treats its own citizens.Then that's not human rights, per se, but foreign policy. And if we were talking about foreign policy, Iran still wouldn't have a leg to stand on. Chemical warfare, Hezbollah, kidnapping American diplomats, taking out hits on foreign citizens, etc.

[Cheesejoff]

Then that's not human rights, per se, but foreign policy. And if we were talking about foreign policy, Iran still wouldn't have a leg to stand on. Chemical warfare, Hezbollah, kidnapping American diplomats, taking out hits on foreign citizens, etc.

Their foreign policy has a direct effect on the human rights of Palestinians.

Also I never said I supported Iran. I just don't think Israel is entirely blameless either.

[Cheesejoff]

Over 1.2-million Israeli citizens are palestinians.

In any event, is this a case of pot calling the kettle black? Is Israel actually in the position of "people living in glass houses should not cast stones" ?

Again, leave out the occupied territories, and focus on Israeli internal politics and levels of human rights (compared to Iran's).

To my knowledge human rights in Israel can't be complained about. Far better than Iran.

[Art Vandelay]

Their foreign policy has a direct effect on the human rights of Palestinians. Whose? If you mean Iran, you're right. Iran's support of Hezbollah has had a large contribution to the instability in the region.

Also I never said I supported Iran. I just don't think Israel is entirely blameless either.The quotation that webfusion took issue with was "it is bordering absurdity that Israel as the world's most egregious violator of human rights..." So the claim is not merely that Israel has done bad things, but that no other country in the world has done worse.

[E.J.Armstrong]

Over 1.2-million Israeli citizens are palestinians.

In any event, is this a case of pot calling the kettle black? Is Israel actually in the position of "people living in glass houses should not cast stones" ?

Again, leave out the occupied territories, and focus on Israeli internal politics and levels of human rights (compared to Iran's).

Oh yeah. You just claimed that Israelis can build homes on Palestinian land.

Your attempt to whitewash Israel's behaviour is akin to saying, let's forget about Hitler's behaviour outside Germany why don't you?
What a disgraceful joke!

[E.J.Armstrong]

Whose? If you mean Iran, you're right. Iran's support of Hezbollah has had a large contribution to the instability in the region.

The quotation that webfusion took issue with was "it is bordering absurdity that Israel as the world's most egregious violator of human rights..." So the claim is not merely that Israel has done bad things, but that no other country in the world has done worse.

Ludicrous argument number N+1.

We're not the worst so don't complain about us.

[webfusion]

leave out the occupied territories? sheeeesh web. You want to be judged on human rights after you leave out the bits that don't make you look so good?

I know one way you can leave out the occupied territories....


What's that way?

[mr rosewater]

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/24/world/middleeast/24iran.html?_r=1&ref=todayspaper&oref=slogin

More here.
The country’s police chief boasted that 150,000 people — a number far larger than usual — were detained in the annual spring sweep against any clothing considered not Islamic. More than 30 women’s rights advocates were arrested in one day in March, according to Human Rights Watch, five of whom have since been sentenced to prison terms of up to four years. They were charged with endangering national security for organizing an Internet campaign to collect more than a million signatures supporting the removal of all laws that discriminate against women

[Art Vandelay]

Your attempt to whitewash Israel's behaviour is akin to saying, let's forget about Hitler's behaviour outside Germany why don't you?If we did, would Hitler no longer be despicable?

Ludicrous argument number N+1.

We're not the worst so don't complain about us.You're the one making a ludicrous argument. The claim was that Israel is the worst. Hence, the claim that needs to be support is that Israel is the worst. Not that Israel is bad, but that Israel is the worst.