Last Sylvia Browne thread I start, I promise! This time, I have hit PAY- dirt! :D

[EeneyMinnieMoe]

Browne wrong again- Angela Lee...Am I pleased to say that :D .


Copyright 2007 St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Inc.
St. Louis Post-Dispatch (Missouri)
April 28, 2007 Saturday
THIRD EDITION

HEADLINE: Man is charged in '03 slaying

BYLINE: By Erik Potter Post-Dispatch Springfield Bureau

DATELINE: CARLINVILLE, Ill.

BODY:

Nearly four years after the killing of 22-year-old Angela Lee of East Gillespie, Ill., sheriff's officials have arrested a Litchfield man in the slaying.

Macoupin County Sheriff Don Albrecht announced Friday the arrest of Anthony Ashby, 27.
...


Funny, that's not what Sylvia Browne told Angela's mother, Deborah!


MONTEL WILLIAMS, HOST

We have some guests that have some questions for you like our first guest whose daughter-and I hate to go from having fun but to talk about something very serious...

SYLVIA BROWNE, BEST SELLING AUTHOR AND WORLD RENOWNED PSYCHIC

Yeah.

MONTEL WILLIAMS, HOST

...brutally murdered in 2003. Police are still looking for her killer. And the crazy thing about this, Sylvia, is that you hear about this from time to time. This woman was a mother, a young child, had been out, I think, neighbors saw her out walking around earlier in the day with the girl.

SYLVIA BROWNE, BEST SELLING AUTHOR AND WORLD RENOWNED PSYCHIC

Right.
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Text has been shortened because it is copyrighted. Eeney, please see the PM I sent you yesterday.

[EeneyMinnieMoe]

Here's the link:

http://web.lexis-nexis.com.proxy.wexler.hunter.cuny.edu/universe/document?_m=84984adf02525696ac8a610134499eff&_docnum=24&wchp=dGLbVzz-zSkVb&_md5=d7f4b7726d4395010654a4f3fbe5927d

[JeffJ]

MONTEL WILLIAMS, HOST

So if he did this once, I'd say the person would do it again.

SYLVIA BROWNE, BEST SELLING AUTHOR AND WORLD RENOWNED PSYCHIC

Do it again.




:rolleyes: I love how Sylvia always repeats what the person just said and makes it look like that's what she already knew and was going to say.
Please don't stop the threads though... all of this info coming out about her can only be helpful in "stopping" her.

[tkingdoll]

I found your OP impossible to read in the format it's in, mainly due to the repeated "SYLVIA BROWNE, BEST SELLING AUTHOR AND WORLD RENOWNED PSYCHIC" all the way through.

[Locknar]

I found your OP impossible to read in the format it's in, mainly due to the repeated "SYLVIA BROWNE, BEST SELLING AUTHOR AND WORLD RENOWNED PSYCHIC" all the way through.


I agree with Tkingdoll...makes for a tough read, and I really didn't see the "pay dirt" aspect.

Though, don't stop :) The SB threads are quite funny (from the aspect of how wrong she is).

I wonder what case SB is talking about when she says "it's like that one case--I can't remember the name of the girl. I was on Paula Zahn Show. And the bracelet was right there and I kept saying, it's right in front of you. The police kept walking over it."

Anyone know?

[JoeTheJuggler]

I found your OP impossible to read in the format it's in, mainly due to the repeated "SYLVIA BROWNE, BEST SELLING AUTHOR AND WORLD RENOWNED PSYCHIC" all the way through.

I think that's in the transcripts to show what captions were displayed on the TV screen during the broadcast.

I agree though, maybe a severely edited version would be easier to follow--especially since you provide the link to the full transcript.


So in summary: police arrested one Anthony Ashby for the murder, and they're confident they've got the right guy.

Sylvia mentioned a name that the network censored (who was a name connected with the case--obviously something she got as a hot read).

I'm guessing no one will ever say what name she said. The article said that the father of the victim had never met Ashby before--which doesn't mean he wasn't already a suspect in the case back during Sylvia's reading. Still--it'd be nice if we had the name she said to be a clear black/white right or wrong guess.

The other stuff she said is unconfirmed (also not ruled out) at least right now. (The knife, the other victim, a "college girl".)

We definitely need a separate Sylvia subforum. . . .

[JoeTheJuggler]

On the subject of editing down the transcript: I can see EMM's dilemma, though. Would it be more clear to have a bunch of <snip> tags all over the place? Just editing it without indicating missing info would not be a legit quote.

[RSLancastr]

Here it is again, a bit cleaned up

WILLIAMS: We have some guests that have some questions for you like our first guest whose daughter-and I hate to go from having fun but to talk about something very serious...

BROWNE: Yeah.

WILLIAMS: ...brutally murdered in 2003. Police are still looking for her killer. And the crazy thing about this, Sylvia, is that you hear about this from time to time. This woman was a mother, a young child, had been out, I think, neighbors saw her out walking around earlier in the day with the girl.

BROWNE: Right.

WILLIAMS: Then a person literally went into the home, fortunately the child probably went and hid, but murdered this mother in the home while the child was there. Four hours later, this little boy had to live--stay in the house with his mom.

BROWNE: While she was...

WILLIAMS: While she was dead. Take a look at this.

BEGIN VIDEO CLIP

DEBORAH: I had a wonderful relationship with my daughter. We were more than mother and daughter. We were best friends. Most of all, she loved her son, Dayton, more than anything in the world. My life was changed forever Wednesday, July 30th of 2003. It was about 9:30 at night, and a police officer came walking up my sidewalk. Angela had been murdered. Angela was beaten and strangled to death. I couldn't even see her one last time. To tell her good-bye. My grandson was left in the house with Angie after she had been murdered for almost four hours. Four long hours. What I would like to know from Sylvia is who did it, why they did it to get this person behind bars before, you know, they do this to another family.

END VIDEO CLIP

WILLIAMS: Please welcome Deborah to the show. What is so disturbing is that this person did this in front of a child, and knew he did this in front of a child.

APPLAUSE

BROWNE: Yeah.

WILLIAMS: And that person is still out there.

BROWNE: Yeah.

WILLIAMS: So if he did this once, I'd say the person would do it again.

BROWNE: Do it again.

WILLIAMS: What do you think? I'm sorry, Debbie, you should ask the questions. I'm sorry. You wanted to ask Sylvia a question, go ahead.

DEBORAH: That's okay. Thank you. Yeah, you know, we just don't have any answers, yet. Our world was turned upside down July 30th, 2003.

BROWNE: Sure it was.

DEBORAH: They've had leads, but we just don't have any solid answers. I'd like to know if, you know, we don't know where the murder weapon is.

WILLIAMS: There's something that's also weird. No forced entry.

BROWNE: Right.

WILLIAMS: No rape.

BROWNE: Yeah.

WILLIAMS: No sexual assault.

BROWNE: Right. Just a serial killer.

WILLIAMS: No burglary.

BROWNE: It's a serial killer.

WILLIAMS: Okay.

BROWNE: Yeah, you know how long it took them to gut Bundy.

WILLIAMS: Right.

BROWNE: This guy's name is (censored by network).

DEBORAH: Oh, I know who that is.

WILLIAMS: You know the name?

DEBORAH: I know that name.

BROWNE: Well, if you know the name, that's...

WILLIAMS: You should pass that information on.

BROWNE: Would you please?

DEBORAH: Thank you.

BROWNE: 'Cause I mean, how many people have that name.

WILLIAMS: Anything, anything that will, you know...

DEBORAH: I need something, yes.

WILLIAMS: That's what I was gonna say, start probing you for the name. You know me, I (unintelligible).

BROWNE: Yeah, I know you. You'd be like a bulldog.

WILLIAMS: I know. Watch this. Is there something somewhere, a piece of evidence somewhere, something on the ground, something nearby, something that he may have thrown away, something else that we may be able to tie?

BROWNE: Well, there was--there is a knife in a bush. Right near where she is.

WILLIAMS: A knife in a bush.

BROWNE: Yeah. You know, sometimes it's so obvious, it's like that one case--I can't remember the name of the girl. I was on Paula Zahn Show. And the bracelet was right there and I kept saying, it's right in front of you. The police kept walking over it.

WILLIAMS: So there's a knife somewhere in that immediate location that may have DNA, may have some sort of evidence on it.

BROWNE: Yeah, yeah.

WILLIAMS: So will this be solved?

BROWNE: Oh, yeah. Because she even knows who this-I mean, she knows the name and everything.

WILLIAMS: Could there have been another link case nearby? If it's a serial killer, there may be another one that they can...

BROWNE: Yeah, there was a college student, a college girl. So you ask the police.

WILLIAMS: Ask about a college student who may have been beaten to death, similar or something close to that, near that in that region.

DEBORAH: Did he tell anyone else? Does anyone else know he did this to her?

BROWNE: Yeah, there is a friend by the name of (censored by network) that knows.

DEBORAH: Okay. Thank you.

[Tumblehome]

You know, sometimes it's so obvious, it's like that one case--I can't remember the name of the girl...

LOL!! A psychic can't remember a name. That's rich.

[EeneyMinnieMoe]

The point is the guy was caught so she was proven demonstrably wrong.

She said it was a serial killer but there was no indication he had ever killed someone before. She mentioned that he had killed a college girl in the area but it looks like no such person exists. She said he had left a knife that could be tested for blood but it looks like the case was solved through persistant police work. She have a name that she might have hot-read but the killer, it turns out, was someone unknown to the family who didn't know his victim.

[patrick767]

The guy who did it was caught? How do we know that? They arrested someone and did not even divulge any details of what led the investigation to the suspect. He may or may not be guilty.

yes, Sylvia's a joke, but I'm just saying... :p

[EeneyMinnieMoe]

Well, they were confident enough to charge him. And in either case, Browne was totally useless.

[Jayoss]

I find quite a bit oo amusement in watching the Montell Williams Show and listening to Browne rambling on with her nonsense. Anyone recall Browne stating on a live radio program where she said the miners who were trapped in Virginia would all be found alive? A few minutes later it was announced that all but one of the miners had survived. How does this woman sleep at night. :mad:

[RSLancastr]

Anyone recall Browne stating on a live radio program where she said the miners who were trapped in Virginia would all be found alive? A few minutes later it was announced that all but one of the miners had survived. How does this woman sleep at night. :mad:

Yes, Jayoss. You can read a transcript, and listen to the actual audio of that, in this article on the Stop Sylvia Browne site:

Coast To Coast AM: The Sago Mining Disaster (http://www.stopsylviabrowne.com/articles/c2c_sago.shtml)

[Tamazon]

I feel bad for the person that Sylvia mentioned who was known by Deborah. Imagine the hell they put the poor innocent guy through.

[JoeTheJuggler]

The point is the guy was caught so she was proven demonstrably wrong.
That's assuming the person she named wasn't this very guy. It's a good assumption (because I'm sure she'd be parading it as a solved crime if it were), but since we don't know what name she said, it is an assumption.

Again, we know the name Sylvia gave was known to the mother, and we know the father had never met Anthony Ashby before. (Someone can be known without ever having been met, and the experience of the mother could be different than that of the father.)

Has anyone leaked out what name she said?

She said it was a serial killer but there was no indication he had ever killed someone before. She mentioned that he had killed a college girl in the area but it looks like no such person exists. She said he had left a knife that could be tested for blood but it looks like the case was solved through persistant police work. She have a name that she might have hot-read but the killer, it turns out, was someone unknown to the family who didn't know his victim.

All she has to do is say that that's all information that simply hasn't come to light yet. Maybe after the trial when details come to light we'll know whether or not the knife was right, but just because the guy isn't known to have committed other murders doesn't mean he isn't a serial killer. (I know I know--there's no string of unsolved murders in the area, and it's incredibly unlikely that searches of his home wouldn't have turned up evidence of other murders, but as they say "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence".)

That's why she does things the way she does. Most of her readings contain very little falsifiable material.

Of course, that's also the reason why they're always useless as "help" to solve these cases.

I think the way they should always be evaluated is the same way rewards for information on crimes are evaluated: whether or not that info led to an arrest and conviction. Otherwise, she can claim a bunch of blurry possible hits --when it's obvious she did not help solve the crime.

[The Bad Astronomer]

Be careful here. Presumed innocent until proven guilty. They have charged a guy, but you have to use the word "alleged" until convicted. This does not disprove Sylvia, and you shouldn't say it does until he's convicted, otherwise the woos will be all over you.

[RSLancastr]

Eeney, I couldn't see how this was "pay-dirt" last night, but chalked it up to the fever I'm having. Reading it in the light of day (and at somewhere around 98.6F), I have to agree with the Bad Astronomer here. It may well turn into a good story, and we need to keep an eye on it, but let's be careful about jumping the gun on conclusions, particularly where court decisions are involved.

Thanks for finding it!

[Sylvia Clown]

Sylvia Brown Poo said the word "yeah" TWELVE times in that whole segment. Twelve. And she hardly said much else.

A Future Sylvia/Montel Show Segment:

Montel: Please welcome world renowed psychic and author of the book, "Psychic Children", Sylvia Browne!

APPLAUSE. Sylvia walks out.

Browne: Yeah.

Sylvia sits down in her chair.

Montel: What's up, girlfriend?! I hear you just went on a cruise.

Sylvia: Yeah.

Montel: That must have been exciting!

Sylvia: Yeah, it was.

Montel: (pointing to an audience member) Stand up. You have a question for Sylvia?

Woman: Yes, I'd like to know if my husband made it to the other side.

Sylvia: Yeah.

Woman: (in tears) Thank you.

Another Female Audience Member: Sylvia, what is my spirit guide's name?

Sylvia: Yeah... oh, I mean... no, of course it isn't "yeah".

Audience laughs uproariously.

Sylvia: Uh... it's Maureen.

Male Audience Member: Sylvia, am I gonna be okay financially for the rest of this year?

Sylvia: Yeah.

Older Female Audience Member: Hello, Sylvia. So happy to be able to talk to you.

Sylvia: Oh, bless your heart.

Female Audience Member: (starts crying) I've been battling cancer for the past six years... I don't think I'm gonna make it. Will my children be OK?

Sylvia: Yeah... well, see, yeah... you're not gonna die. Not soon. Not in... oh, I'd say twenty five years!

Female Audience Member: Really?

Sylvia: Yeah. Listen, I'm not a doctor... I, you know, am more holistic. Get yourself some lecithin. L-E-C-I-T-H-I-N. You can get it at any drug store and it will cure you of cancer.

Female Audience Member: Lecithin?

Sylvia: Yeah.

Female Audience Member: Lecithin?!

Sylvia: Yeah.

Female Audience Member: LECITHIN?!?!

Sylvia: Yeah!

Shot of female audience member with her jaw dropped, looking like the happiest woman in the world.

Female Audience Member: THANK YOU, SYLVIA! YOU'RE THE BEST!

Sylvia: Yeah.

Montel: Let's take a break.

Sylvia: Yeah, let's.

Cue the Montel theme music.

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[EeneyMinnieMoe]

Lol, Sylvia Clown.:D

Well, Ashby was arrested very recently, so we might be able to follow his trial.

Here's another mention of the case:

http://www.kmov.com/topstories/stories/kmov_localnews_070427_coldcase.13b9e9bc.html

[JeffJ]

Sylvia Clown breaking out the funny! :D
I loved it.

[Reno]

love the reason for the edit Sylvia Clown :)

[JeffJ]

love the reason for the edit Sylvia Clown :)

I didn't even see that. :D :D

I also happened to love the sentence "Montel: What's up, girlfriend?!". It totally captured how Montel would talk.


Sylvia would not approve of the mocking tone of that post though.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e143/Estrus1/236.jpg

[Mr. Stick]

Sylvia Brown Poo said the word "yeah" TWELVE times in that whole segment. Twelve. And she hardly said much else.
Welcome SC, if you continue like that you're going to be quite popular. :)
I've also noticed her annoying habit of yeah'ing everything her victims or Montel says. When she's not doing that, she's mostly repeating what she's just been told.
Sylvia: "Yeah, repeating...."

[ilikefrogs]

Sylvia Clown, that was a riot! I've noticed that SB tends to say "yeah" a lot and Montel ends up carrying the conversations.

Hmm... I wonder if SB takes tranqualizers. That would explain why she just seems to go with everything...

[Sylvia Clown]

love the reason for the edit Sylvia Clown :)

I had spelled lecithin as "L-E-C-H-I-T-H-I-N", then discovered that it only contains one H.

I'm such a bad student of Miss Master's Degree In English Literature. Sylvia has spelled "lecithin" numerous times for the whole world. I should know it by now. Guess I might get an F in her english class... either that or she'll spank me in front of the class.

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Sylvia: L!

(spank)

Me: OW!

Sylvia: E!

(spank)

Me: OW!!

Sylvia: C!

(spank)

Me: OW!!!

Sylvia: I!

(spank)

Me: OW!!!!

Sylvia: T!

(spank)

Me: OW!!!!!

Sylvia: H!

(spank)

Me: OWWWWWWW!!!!!!

Sylvia: I!

(spank)

Me: *whimpering*

Sylvia: N!

(hardest spank)

Me: OWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sylvia: What does that spell?!

Me: Lecithin!

Sylvia: Yeah. Now go write a 750 word essay on it!

Sylvia goes back to her desk and looks at another student's paper.

Sylvia: Rachel!

Rachel stops text messaging her friends and looks up at Sylvia, terrified.

Sylvia: You made a big mistake on your test paper for "The Mystical Life of Jesus". You said that Jesus died when he was 33. Actually, honey, he was 86. It's on page 190 of the book. Did you even read it?!

Sylvia holds up her paddle then extends one of her CLAWS out at Rachel, motioning her to come over.

Sylvia: Let's get this over with, Rachel. Afterwards, you'll be in time out and won't get to watch "Montel" with the rest of the class.
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[EeneyMinnieMoe]

Some of us have got to get together for a Montel drinking game. :D Robert could take a shot for every time she says "Yeah", Sylvia Clown could take "Lechithin, L-E-C-H-I-T-H-I-N", Fran could take every time she sucks on her nails and I'll do "Dontcha see?".

Some others for the taking: "What you got to do is eat less wheat.", "It's something to do with the chest area.", "You need to stop eating dairy.", "Look it up."

[JoeTheJuggler]

Lol, Sylvia Clown.:D

Well, Ashby was arrested very recently, so we might be able to follow his trial.

Here's another mention of the case:

http://www.kmov.com/topstories/stories/kmov_localnews_070427_coldcase.13b9e9bc.html

I'll keep my eyes and ears open. I'm here in St. Louis where this coverage is coming from.

[EeneyMinnieMoe]

Thanks! Did you ever hear of this case before?

Ha, you must have been flooded with news about Shawn Hornbeck day in and day out when that happened.

[JoeTheJuggler]

Here's another local TV news segment on the story:

http://www.myfoxstl.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=86C9BF901C8E75363E58E6F3B280A90E ?contentId=3049922&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1

FWIW, you can see the parents telling Angela's grave that she can rest now because they've caught the guy. (Sylvia would be proud, I suspect.)

At this point, police are not divulging any of the details of the murder --what evidence led them to arrest Ashby or what his motive might've been.

[-Fran-]

Fran could take every time she sucks on her nails

YUCK, I don't think I could stomach drinking anything after that :D

[Sylvia Clown]

YUCK, I don't think I could stomach drinking anything after that :D

When she sucks on her nails (and I just watched a Sylvia/Montel video on YouTube and saw her do it) is that because she's craving a cigarette and wants something in her mouth?

Uh-oh, I feel another Sylvia script coming on...

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Sylvia is lounging around her house - which is a mansion - smoking a cigarette. We see diamond ashtrays everywhere. Her cell phone rings. Sylvia answers it.

SYLVIA: Yeah?

MONTEL: Hey girlfriend! It's Montel.

SYLVIA: I knew that already.

MONTEL: Syl... you don't have to pretend to be psychic with me in private!

SYLVIA: (puts a clawed finger up to her mouth) Ssssshhhhh...

MONTEL: I know, I know! Listen, for the next Sylvia Browne Wednesday show, I'm gonna have parents whose daughter was murdered and they wanna find the killer, followed by a guy who believes the ghost of his psychotic ex-girlfriend is haunting him, and then a woman who believes she's being chased by ghost dogs everytime she goes outside.

SYLVIA: Everytime she goes outside.

Sylvia puts out her cigarette in one of her ashtrays.

MONTEL: You will have to travel to the home of the woman who believes she's being chased by ghost dogs. She won't leave it. Do you think you could convince her to maybe leave her house?

SYLVIA: For an extra $2,500, yes.

MONTEL: Okay. Okay. That works.

Sylvia starts sucking on her nails. Montel can hear her.

MONTEL: Sylvia... are you sucking on your nails?

SYLVIA: Yeah.

MONTEL: (pause) That's so hot...

SYLVIA: Don't go there, Montel... unless you'd like to pay for it. Then we could go there.

MONTEL: How about... $4,000... if you'd let me listen to you suck on your nails for a half hour?

SYLVIA: $8,000.

MONTEL: Sold!

Sylvia starts sucking on her nails, more intensely.

MONTEL: Ohhhhhhh.... Sylvia. Your nails drive me WILD!

Sylvia reaches over and grabs a mini tape player. She stops sucking her nails and presses play while sitting it and her phone down on a table, close to each other. The tape plays SOUNDS OF SOMEONE SUCKING NAILS. Sylvia turns her phone on speaker.

MONTEL: Oooooh, yes, Sylvia, that's it baby. Suck on those talons.

Sylvia snickers to herself while lighting up another cigarette and laying back. She grabs a remote control and turns on her TV -- "The Young and the Restless" is on.

MONTEL: I am loving this, Sylvia. I see you suck on those nails in the studio and I about have to get up and leave. It's wildly erotic!

Sylvia starts coughing pretty bad while smoking.

MONTEL: Sylvia?! Are you okay?! Girlfriend?!

She continues to cough. Her tape player continues to play nail sucking sounds.

MONTEL: Sylvia?! SYLVIA?! ANSWER ME!!!! STOP SUCKING THOSE NAILS AND BREATHE!!!!

Sylvia stands up and manages to stop coughing.

MONTEL: Are you alright now???

Sylvia turns off the tape player and brings the cell phone to her face.

SYLVIA: I think I just coughed up a lung... I'm serious... it's on the floor. My lung. Dontcha see?

MONTEL: Oh my god, we gotta put that lung back in you right away!

SYLVIA: I can't afford that right now, Montel. I can't pay for the surgery! I just paid everyone who works at my church and I'm broke!

MONTEL: How much does lung surgery cost?

SYLVIA: $850,000.

MONTEL: I'll wire that money to you right away! Scoop up that lung and take it to the emergency room! We gotta keep you livin'!

SYLVIA: I will. Thank you, Montel. And don't forget about that $8,000 for the nail deal.

MONTEL: I will! Take care of yourself, Sylvia. See ya Wednesday!

SYLVIA: Bye bye, darling.

They hang up. Sylvia sits down and has another cigarette, totally relaxed.

SYLVIA: Sucker.
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[EeneyMinnieMoe]

Here's another local TV news segment on the story:

http://www.myfoxstl.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=86C9BF901C8E75363E58E6F3B280A90E ?contentId=3049922&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1

now because they've caught the guy. (Sylvia would be proud, I suspect.)



Detail gleaned from the broadcast: the worst crime Ashby is known to have committed is a burglary. No indication he's a serial killer so far.

[-Fran-]

When she sucks on her nails (and I just watched a Sylvia/Montel video on YouTube and saw her do it) is that because she's craving a cigarette and wants something in her mouth?

Uh-oh, I feel another Sylvia script coming on...



LOL

Oh, yuck!! :covereyes

[EeneyMinnieMoe]

I don't know about you but I always think that there's no possible way I could dislike Sylvia Browne any less only to prove myself wrong.

After the latest batch of cases, I thought of writing down a short list of the harms psychic detectives do, taking SB as an example.

So here it goes:

1) They waste time, money, effort and resources, both private and public in missing persons, missing bodies and homicide cases. At best, it's wasteful but harmless, at worst diverts the real search and wastes resources that could have been spent on the real search. Case in point, Carol Wood (police followed up on the leads, family sent on wild goose chase) and Pat Viola (husband was told missing wife had a seizure and hitch hiked to Ohio. He literally dumped his money into the mud, sending a PI to Ohio and reportedly papered the town she was suppossed to be in with leaflets and notices).

2) Invent false stories that add to the trauma of the people's families. Case in point, Carol Wood, Opal Jo, Holly Krewson, Shawn Hornbeck, Ryan Katcher and Lynda McClelland. Implant images and ideas in their minds.

3) Give false hope when victims are really dead and take hope away falsely when victims are still alive or their bodies could still be found.

4) Might halt a search, case in point how SB made Amanda Berry's mother stop searching when she believed her daughter dead.

5) Embarrass the families on a public forum, such as with the boyfriend of the 9/11 victim and by putting their shock and grief on display (Carol Wood's sisters, Opal Jo's grandmother, Shawn Hornbeck's parents, Lynda McClelland's daughters)

6) Trample the memories of those people.

7) Accuse an innocent person of murder, as it seems happened at least twice with SB.

8) Exploit the families' grief and cheapen their efforts on behalf of the victims for monetary gain.

9) Make the families feel lied to, betrayed and exploited when they find out it was all a house of cards.

10) Take credit away from volunteers, private investigators, police, families and community groups by taking credit for finding a person, body, murderer, etc. As SB seems to be doing with John Baglier.


Am I missing anything?

[SeekingTruth]

[B]Last Sylvia Browne thread I start, I promise! This time, I have hit PAY-dirt!

Now you shouldn't be making promises that will be impossible to keep. You know how much we're enjoying these threads! :D

[JoeTheJuggler]

Sorry--duplicate.

[JoeTheJuggler]

Thanks! Did you ever hear of this case before?
No, I hadn't, though I don't often pay much attention to local news other than politics.


Ha, you must have been flooded with news about Shawn Hornbeck day in and day out when that happened.
It was quite a to-do around here. The place where Devlin worked (Imo's) is a St. Louis area pizza chain that's sort of typical St. Louis-style (thin square cut pizza with a ton of provolone cheese) and a popular hangout. A friend of mine who lives right near there is nuts for Imo's, so I've eaten lunch at that restaurant probably a dozen or so times in the past couple of years. Kirkwood is a moderately affluent suburb, so it was pretty shocking.

[EeneyMinnieMoe]

You know I've been to Kirkwood? A high school classmate of mine lives there and I visited him there three summers ago.

I was floored when I heard Shawn Hornbeck was found in my friend's neighborhood. And then floored again when the story broke that Sylvia Browne was involved. Six degrees of separation!

I hadn't heard of Imo's before Shawn was rescured but I figured I could have passed by it or seen it during my two weeks in St.Louis. It's creepy to think I was less than a mile from Shawn and Devlin; to think, something like that happening right under people's noses...

[RSLancastr]

Someone has posted the video of the reading on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77HaqvA6670

[EeneyMinnieMoe]

Ok...there is something fishy going on. The news report calls Angela's mother "Lisa" while the Montel episode calls her "Deborah". They seem to be two different people, too while the pictures of Angela and the date and details match.

Could I have gotten the wrong Angela killed in front of her son on July 30th 2003...or is there any way someone was posing as Angela Lee's mother?

[EeneyMinnieMoe]

Just saw it again. Looks like the same woman in both, same four-year-old in both, same house and neighborhood. Even the same prom-looking photo used...so why does the woman standing at the grave look so different?

[RSLancastr]

Just saw it again. Looks like the same woman in both, same four-year-old in both, same house and neighborhood. Even the same prom-looking photo used...so why does the woman standing at the grave look so different?The woman at the grave site is identified in the news story as Angela Lee's stepmother.

[EeneyMinnieMoe]

I completely and totally missed that...D'oh!

[zombiebex]

Well, this (http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=16978486&BRD=1719&PAG=461&dept_id=25271&rfi=6)article claims the investigators talked to three psychics.

This (http://www.thetelegraph.com/onset?id=1055&template=article.html)article claims she was stabbed, the first time that info seems to have come out. Probably information the police were withholding.

Might be a bit premature for an SSB article on this. We don't know if Mom knew the man or not, only Dad. But if her parents are divorced, it's possible they didn't share information about all their daughter's friends. We also don't know where the knife was found.

[RSLancastr]

I plan no article on this until after the trial.

[zombiebex]

Aha, here's another psychic TV show called "Sensing Murder" that might have said something different...


Prairie Predator
Airs, Thursday Nov. 2, at 10 p.m. ET/PT
On July 30, 2003, 22-year-old Angela Lee was beaten and strangled to death in her East Gillespie, Ill., home. Her son, a toddler at the time, was home during the murder. Three years later the police have no concrete leads. And Angela's mother is desperate for answers. Macoupin County Sheriff Don Albrecht and Detective Sergeant Mike Kostich have interviewed hundreds of people in their search for suspects ... but the crime remains unsolved. At the request of Angela's mother, they have now brought in two of America's most experienced psychic investigators, Pam Coronado and Laurie Campbell, to try and help find Angela's killer. Pam and Laurie have no prior knowledge of this case — they know nothing about Angela or how she was murdered — only that they are here to help a murder investigation get on track. Can they actually SENSE murder?

[EeneyMinnieMoe]

I've tried following up on this but found nothing new. Just these links:

http://www.thetelegraph.com/onset?id=1055&template=article.html

http://www.ksdk.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=117916


And an article from 2006 about the other psychics:

http://www.lexisnexis.com.proxy.wexler.hunter.cuny.edu/us/lnacademic/results/docview/docview.do?risb=21_T2612689685&format=GNBFI&sort=BOOLEAN&startDocNo=26&resultsUrlKey=29_T2612689688&cisb=22_T2612689687&treeMax=true&treeWidth=0&csi=11810&docNo=30

Authorities in Macoupin County, anxious for leads in the unsolved 2003 murder of Angela Lee, have agreed to a request from the victim's family to let psychics help in the investigation.

In March and again last month, psychics visited the Gillespie home where Lee, 22, was beaten and strangled on July 30, 2003.

Lee's longtime boyfriend, Jason Hanebrink, came home from work to find Lee dead. The couple's 4-year-old son saw the murder but was not injured in the attack. Hanebrink has been eliminated as a suspect in the crime.
At a news conference on Thursday at the Macoupin County Sheriff's Department, police said the psychics provided "helpful information."

"They told us things about the crime that we knew but that no one else knew," Macoupin County Sheriff Don Albrecht said.

Albrecht conceded, however, that police have no strong suspects in the case, despite interviewing more than 100 people and taking DNA samples from 40 of them.

"We look at this (bringing in psychics) as a tool for keeping this crime in the forefront, in the public eye," Albrecht said. "We know that someone out there has information that would identify the murderer, and for some reason -- maybe they're scared -- they have not come forward."
He said his department was also working with the FBI to develop a profile of the killer.

Albrecht said one of Lee's relatives had contacted a psychic from Raynham, Mass., who had worked with police in the past.
The psychic, Amy Mach, said in a telephone interview that she instantly began receiving images of the crime as soon as she answered the call from the relative.

"I work as a vessel for spirits, and they started coming through immediately," Mach, 48, said. "I discovered that this is a much more complicated case than police had initially believed."

Mach said she had been trained in England as a "certified angel messenger." Her Web site indicates that she charges $100 an hour for psychic sessions, but Mach said she paid her way to Gillespie and only charged room and board for her readings in March.

Mach said her psychic readings had contributed to numerous felony convictions in the past. However, she declined to give details, such as names or dates or specific police agencies with which she had worked.
A second set of psychics, from the Discovery Channel program "Sensing Murder," contacted Macoupin County authorities directly and were allowed to conduct psychic readings at the murder scene in June.

Albrecht said a program on the Lee case is scheduled to air on the cable network in November.

"Bringing in psychics is proof that we are willing to explore any avenue to solve this case," said Illinois State Police Capt. Craig Koehler.
Koehler said he had worked with a psychic on one other occasion, a murder years ago in East St. Louis. He said the psychic in that case did not provide any useful information.

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[Bandersnatch]

Still going on. (http://www.riverbender.com/news/wbgz/rfullstory.cfm?newsfile=2007-11-07-36_Lee%20Murder%20Case%20Update&start=101) Apparently the defense has issues with how the evidence was obtained.