U.S. Supreme Court Has Its Own Ten Commandments [Archive]

hgc

21st August 2003, 09:05 AM

Originally posted by Suddenly
Goody!! Newsmax!! I need a good laugh.

This is comic:

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Also, directly over Rehnquist's head when he sits on the bench is a depiction of two tablets, rounded on the top and flat on the bottom. They contain the Roman numerals I through X.

Curators claim the tablets represent the Bill of Rights.

But, UPI says, "the tablets look awfully similar to what Charlton Heston might carry in a movie."
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Too bad our educational system can't help people distinguish movies from reality. I think this is basis for banning that movie. It clearly is warping peoples minds. I like that newsmax relies on Moonie oganization UPI, just as it does that other venerable Moonie front, The Washington Times.

ceo_esq

21st August 2003, 10:05 AM

What's the point here, Billiefan? I used to work in a building (USDOJ) that had Moses depicted as a lawgiver too. There are constitutional ways to present the Ten Commandments in public, and then there are unconstitutional ways. Guess which one is apparently the prevailing fashion in Alabama and which is the fashion in D.C.

billiefan2000

21st August 2003, 10:12 AM

According to the God hating ACLU you cant even have the 10 Commandments in your own home.

Plus,to take away the 10 Commandments in Alabama is saying that any law this Country is invalid,cause this Country and it's laws originated from the 10 Commandments.

hgc

21st August 2003, 10:15 AM

Originally posted by billiefan2000
According to the God hating ACLU you cant even have the 10 Commandments in your own home.When and where did this happen? Evidence?Plus,to take away the 10 Commandments in Alabama is saying that any law this Country is invalid,cause this Country and it's laws originated from the 10 Commandments. Evidence?

Max560

21st August 2003, 10:20 AM

Fortunately, there are no Supreme Court rulings against displaying images depicting Cthulhu.

Suddenly

21st August 2003, 10:24 AM

Originally posted by billiefan2000
According to the God hating ACLU you cant even have the 10 Commandments in your own home.

BWAHAHA!! Where did you get this from? I had no idea people really thought like that. Can't have the ten commandments in your home? This is a joke, right?

Plus,to take away the 10 Commandments in Alabama is saying that any law this Country is invalid,cause this Country and it's laws originated from the 10 Commandments.

Ummm. You do realize they are talking about a monument. You are perfectly free to wonder the streets of Mobile reciting the 10 comandments, or move there and live your life according to them or even tatoo them on your rear end.

I also assure you that 10 commandments or no, Alabama's murder and theft statutes will still be in effect. It's just that a big rock with stuff on it will be moved. There is something against idol worship in that list, isn't there?

Lord Emsworth

21st August 2003, 10:27 AM

Originally posted by billiefan2000
Plus,to take away the 10 Commandments in Alabama is saying that any law this Country is invalid,cause this Country and it's laws originated from the 10 Commandments.

The USA originated from the 10 Commandments?

And the law of the US, too? I thought it was based on Roman law [shrug]

Ossai

21st August 2003, 10:28 AM

billiefan2000
Plus,to take away the 10 Commandments in Alabama is saying that any law this Country is invalid, cause this Country and it's laws originated from the 10 Commandments. Wrong. This countries laws aren't based on the 10 commandments. The commandments are basically divisible into two camps. The first is the egocentric god camp and the second is the secular camp. The egocentric commandments include the not other god, worship me, I’m special, etc commandments. The secular camp includes basic social laws that were around long before the commandments were even written.

Ossai

Nyarlathotep

21st August 2003, 10:30 AM

Originally posted by billiefan2000
According to the God hating ACLU you cant even have the 10 Commandments in your own home.

Plus,to take away the 10 Commandments in Alabama is saying that any law this Country is invalid,cause this Country and it's laws originated from the 10 Commandments.

Puh-leeze, now you are just making ***** up.

Exactly when did it become illegal to have a copy of the 10 commandments in ones home. By extension, if that were true, it would be illegal to own a Bible. I am pretty sure that I would have heard something on the news about the public outcry if that were true.

Further if such a law WERE proposed, I am sure that the ACLU would be the first to fight against it.

as for US law deriving from the 10 commandments I propose a simple test. Some of the commandments (like "thou shalt no kill" are simple laws of morality that have existed in every culture since humanity existed, show me how one of the others, like "Thou Shalt not covet" are in the law.

Conversely show me how any of the 10 commandments (specifically) is the basis for something like Federal Toxic Waste regulations, or drug laws.

Lord Emsworth

21st August 2003, 11:41 AM

The 10 commandments are found here. (http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/kjv/exo020.htm)

20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Are you punished for having other Gods before the Lord in the US?

20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

Are you punished in the US if you break this commandment?

20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

What is taking the name of the Lord in vain? Is it punished in the US?

20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Are you punished for washing your car or doing chores on Sunday in the US? Are you punished if you work or do labour seven days a week?

20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

Are you punished in the US if you don't?

20:13 Thou shalt not kill.

Basically the same in US law. You are punished if you kill (there are exceptions)

20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.

Are you punished in the US if you do?

20:15 Thou shalt not steal.

Basically the same as in US law.

20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

Billiefan2000 must have overlooked this one. But after all, US law does not punish it (except perjury and similar)

20.17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

Is coveting punished in the US?

I am counting two and a half commandments that are realized in US law.

Suddenly

21st August 2003, 11:54 AM

Actually at least one state still has laws prohibiting adultry on the books. In West Virginia it is a misdemeanor carrying a fine of "not less than twenty dollars." Which means, I guess, that the fine could be infinite.:confused: (W.Va. Code 61-8-2)

ceo_esq

21st August 2003, 11:57 AM

Not to promote my own material - and certainly not to appear to side with Billiefan, whose views expressed in this thread I regard as generally asinine - but anyone interested in reading this lawyer's perspective (and several dissenting views) on the real relationship between the Ten Commandments and American law is invited to peruse this thread (http://host.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22874.).

Dancing David

21st August 2003, 12:05 PM

Gee Billiefan,
It must be fun to put both your feet in your mouth,

I am not calling you a liar but you definitly have a problem with what truth is. I will post a thread specificaly apologising to you if you can prove that the ACLU has ever tried to have the ten commandments removed from a private home.

So, where is the proof Billiefan, you will get an apology from a real life pagan (you know the kind that like really prays to dieties like Freya and Isis) if you can demostrate that the ACLU ever tried to remove the ten comandments from a private home.

I await your proof and my apology.

Sincerely
David

Hexxenhammer

21st August 2003, 12:07 PM

Originally posted by Max560
Fortunately, there are no Supreme Court rulings against displaying images depicting Cthulhu.

However, this is usually not done because they tend to induce insanity. Wait. Does that Alabama judge have a Cthulhu sculpture in his office?

Gregor

21st August 2003, 12:08 PM

Billie

What US law prevents us from boiling a goat in its mother's milk and requires us to give our first fruits to the Lord. Those are the 9th and 10th commandments in the TRUE TEN Commandments. Exodus 34:26 - labeled as such for your reading pleasure.

Please get off you ass and read that stupid book you purport to quote and defend.

That's why that ridiculous judge is even more ridiculous - he citing the WRONG ten commandments.

Yahweh

21st August 2003, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by billiefan2000
According to the God hating ACLU you cant even have the 10 Commandments in your own home.
Thanks for the laugh, youre a real riot. By the way, making up your own "facts" doesnt constitute as a very strong arguement. Try again.

[b]Plus,to take away the 10 Commandments in Alabama is saying that any law this Country is invalid,cause this Country and it's laws originated from the 10 Commandments.
Bulls**t. This is even worse than making up your own facts (which you are by the way), you are coming to a completely ignorant and stupid conclusion based on absolutely nothing. There is no logical way you can assert that removing of the 10 commandments invalidates all the laws in the country.

Billiefan, your little fantasy is fine and dandy, but for the sake of Yahweh, dont make s**t up. Make sure you remember not to ignore why atheists have the beliefs they do (because hiding your head in the sand and ignoring all that isnt the same as your beliefs is an exercise of ignorance), you have to learn as much as you can and understand why people think the way they do.

Flaherty

21st August 2003, 02:30 PM

Nyarlathotep

21st August 2003, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by Flaherty

Oh man! We wait around all day for softballs this easy.

Softball? That gives it too much credit. I would liken it more to a nerf ball tossed by a three year old.

Jet Grind

21st August 2003, 03:15 PM

*shakes head* Okay billie, I'll bite.

Originally posted by billiefan2000
According to the God hating ACLU you cant even have the 10 Commandments in your own home.

Completely and utterly rediculous. If such a law were ever to be enacted the ACLU would be the first ones to fight it.

Really billie, I'm sick of all this anti-ACLU propaganda coming from you and other Christian reconstuctionists.

Originally posted by billiefan2000
Plus,to take away the 10 Commandments in Alabama is saying that any law this Country is invalid,cause this Country and it's laws originated from the 10 Commandments.

I'm still waiting for you and other Dr. Laura dupes to make a decent case for this. Just saying it or wanting to believe it doesn't make it true.

UnrepentantSinner

21st August 2003, 05:27 PM

Originally posted by Suddenly
Actually at least one state still has laws prohibiting adultry on the books. In West Virginia it is a misdemeanor carrying a fine of "not less than twenty dollars." Which means, I guess, that the fine could be infinite.:confused: (W.Va. Code 61-8-2)

Adultery is also illegal under the U.C.M.J.

reprise

21st August 2003, 05:52 PM

Originally posted by billiefan2000 :

Plus,to take away the 10 Commandments in Alabama is saying that any law this Country is invalid,cause this Country and it's laws originated from the 10 Commandments.

What a crock of horsecrap - horsecrap which is addressed in this SDMB thread (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=206221).

. . . we know that the common law is that system of law which was introduced by the Saxons on their settlement in England, and altered from time to time by proper legislative authority from that time to the date of the Magna Charta [1215 CE], which terminates the period of the common law...and commences that of the statute law.... This settlement took place about the middle of the fifth century. But Christianity was not introduced till the seventh century.... Here, then, was a space of about two hundred years, during which the common law was in existence, and Christianity no part of it.... If, therefore, from the settlement of the Saxons to the introduction of Christianity among them, that system of religion could not be a part of the common law, because they were not yet Christians, and if, having their laws from that period to the close of the common law, we are able to find among them no such act of adoption, we may safely affirm (though contradicted by all the judges and writers on earth) that Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law....We might as well say that the Newtonian system of philosophy is a part of the common law, as that the Christian religion is....Finally, in answer to Fortescue Aland’s question why the ten commandments should not now be a part of the common law of England? We may say they are not because they never were made so by legislative authority, the document which has imposed that doubt on him being a manifest forgery.” (Thomas Jefferson, in a letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814. From Andrew A. Lipscomb, ed., The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, Vol. XIV, Washington, DC: The Thomas Jefferson Memorial Association, 1903, pp. 85-97.)

from this website. (http://www.secularhumanism.org/columns/history/decalogue.htm)

UnrepentantSinner

21st August 2003, 07:46 PM

I would like to point out (in case you missed it above) ceo_esq's exellent thread showing that American laws are rooted to a large part in Deuteronomic tradition. The Constitution clearly comes from different sources but he makes a convincing case that our day to day laws dealing with crime and tort are largely Biblical.
http://host.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22874.

BroodingSkill

21st August 2003, 10:15 PM

"Plus,to take away the 10 Commandments in Alabama is saying that any law this Country is invalid,cause this Country and it's laws originated from the 10 Commandments."

Wow, I thought it was based on Roman law and English common law, it's nice to know my Criminology degree was a pack of lies.

Billie get a clue and actually have a discussion for a change. I know you're on this whole "witness" thing to convert the non-believers, but you're gonna have to do better than this. Know one's buying it here. ( I know I'm wasting my breath, cause he's not reading any of this, but I had to vent.)

evildave

21st August 2003, 10:54 PM

The U.S. Supreme Court Judgment
http://news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/religion/glsrthmre80503jdgmt.pdf

Alabama judge defies U.S. court, says Commandments are staying
http://www.gomemphis.com/mca/nation_and_world/article/0,1426,MCA_454_2200736,00.html
"I will never deny the God upon whom our laws and country depend," Chief Justice Roy Moore said in a fiery defense of the monument, as supporters cheered and prayed on the building's steps.

How long until this idiot gets disbarred for being utterly clueless about law in the U.S. and playing politics with justice? (http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34214)

I suppose, given the fine is supposed to be DOUBLING EVERY WEEK, according to the judgment, when the fine gets to be $160,000 a day (in five weeks), Alabama might get a little antsy over the cost. How much highway, water and other infrastructure could that be paying for? How about a week later at $320,000 a day? A new school every week, down the tubes. Oh, yeah. God first, huh?

20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

Are you punished in the US if you break this commandment?

20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

What is taking the name of the Lord in vain? Is it punished in the US?

Even better, if the ten commandments were "LAW", those morons who bowed and scraped and prayed at the rocks depicting the 10 Commmandments in various places would have been BREAKING IT!

Heck, it's interesting to note that the very people who claim these are GOD'S OWN LAWS and love them and honor them, will break them without a moment's hesitation when their second favorite form of idolatry is threatened.
(The favorite is sticking CROSSES up on everything - if not burning them in people's yards; it's Alabama, after all.)

They're supposed to be the "basis" of OUR law? Yet Christians routinely scoff at Old Testament quotes (including these "Jewish Commandments"), claiming that "they don't apply".

So, they're supposed to "apply" to the U.S. government in some manner when they don't even apply to these fools who bow and scrape and pray at them?

ShottleBop

22nd August 2003, 11:42 AM

Plus,to take away the 10 Commandments in Alabama is saying that any law this Country is invalid,cause this Country and it's laws originated from the 10 Commandments.

Regardless of the origin of our system of law, this statement is erroneous. The validity of our laws is based on the Federal Constitution and the Constitutions of the fifty States and the adoption of laws in accordance with their respective provisions. It has nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not a monument to the Ten Commandments is permitted to be displayed in a public building.

. . . and doesn't it look like the monument in question has ELEVEN commandments?

http://www.onlineathens.com/images/101702/ten.jpg

odorousrex

22nd August 2003, 01:16 PM

The ten commandments always bugged me.

Millenia ago a piece of fiery shrubbery says don't do these 10 things OR ELSE!

And now 4000 years later people are still falling for the bush's ploy?

I wouldn't be surprised if Moses made the whole thing up to keep his people from complaining.
I would've done the same thing.

Yahweh

22nd August 2003, 03:10 PM

Billiefan is right (kinda). The Supreme Court does have their own 10 Commandment, they go a bit like this:

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Amendment III
No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

Amendment VII
In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

Source: BillOfRights.com (http://www.billofrights.com)

Chanileslie

22nd August 2003, 03:43 PM

Originally posted by billiefan2000
According to the God hating ACLU you cant even have the 10 Commandments in your own home.

Plus,to take away the 10 Commandments in Alabama is saying that any law this Country is invalid,cause this Country and it's laws originated from the 10 Commandments.

Yeah, like where does the ACLU claim that? Hmmm?

Also, this country was *not* founded on the 10 commandments or any of the laws set on the 10 commandments. I would recommend that you attempt to read the Constitution of the United States sometime; You will of course note the complete lack of mention to the 10 commandments, god or christianity.

Not only that, but many of the 10 commandments were rip off's from the Code of Hammurabi, except for the bending down to god parts, those I think were original to the Hebrew peoples.

Please, take some history courses, and open your mind and think rationally!!

Nyarlathotep

22nd August 2003, 04:01 PM

Originally posted by Chanileslie

Yeah, like where does the ACLU claim that? Hmmm?

Also, this country was *not* founded on the 10 commandments or any of the laws set on the 10 commandments. I would recommend that you attempt to read the Constitution of the United States sometime; You will of course note the complete lack of mention to the 10 commandments, god or christianity.

Not only that, but many of the 10 commandments were rip off's from the Code of Hammurabi, except for the bending down to god parts, those I think were original to the Hebrew peoples.

Please, take some history courses, and open your mind and think rationally!!

You are talking to a brick wall babe. It's like quoting Shakespeare to our cats. We may get some enjoyment out of it but the cat neither appreciates or understands the effort.

exarch

22nd August 2003, 06:17 PM

I guess every forum with a religion section attracts biblethumpers who want to save your soul. But they're not making any more sense here than anywhere else, and debunking them is just as easy. Now if they would only listen to what's being said ...

Some Friggin Guy

22nd August 2003, 09:18 PM

Hi. I figured this would be the best place for me to make my first post, so here goes.

Earlier, someone mentioned that the "don't bow down to others gods cause I'm the biggest, baddest one of all" thing was an invention of the Hebrews. I wasn't so sure, so I looked up the code of Hammurabi myself. That poster was correct, however, I did find something very interesting within the prolouge of Hammurabi's code I thought I should share. Read this very carefully.

Hammurabi, the prince, called of Bel am I, making riches and increase, enriching Nippur and Dur-ilu beyond compare, sublime patron of E-kur; who reestablished Eridu and purified the worship of E-apsu; who conquered the four quarters of the world, made great the name of Babylon, rejoiced the heart of Marduk, his lord who daily pays his devotions in Saggil; the royal scion whom Sin made; who enriched Ur; the humble, the reverent, who brings wealth to Gish-shir-gal; the white king, heard of Shamash, the mighty, who again laid the foundations of Sippara; who clothed the gravestones of Malkat with green; who made E-babbar great, which is like the heavens, the warrior who guarded Larsa and renewed E-babbar, with Shamash as his helper; the lord who granted new life to Uruk, who brought plenteous water to its inhabitants, raised the head of E-anna, and perfected the beauty of Anu and Nana; shield of the land, who reunited the scattered inhabitants of Isin; who richly endowed E-gal-mach; the protecting king of the city, brother of the god Zamama; who firmly founded the farms of Kish, crowned E-me-te-ursag with glory, redoubled the great holy treasures of Nana, managed the temple of Harsag-kalama; the grave of the enemy, whose help brought about the victory; who increased the power of Cthalah; made all glorious in E-shidlam, the black steer, who gored the enemy; beloved of the god Nebo, who rejoiced the inhabitants of Borsippa, the Sublime; who is indefatigable for E-zida; the divine king of the city; the White, Wise; who broadened the fields of Dilbat, who heaped up the harvests for Urash; the Mighty, the lord to whom come scepter and crown, with which he clothes himself; the Elect of Ma-ma; who fixed the temple bounds of Kesh...

Did anyone catch what I'm referring? take a good look at this line:

whose help brought about the victory; who increased the power of Cthalah

Yes, Cthalah.

As someone who has studied a little in ancient languages, I have found no actual record of this name. From the best I can reason, this seems to be a deliberate mis-spelling (and mispronounciation) of Cthulhu.

evildave

22nd August 2003, 10:01 PM

Alabama judge suspended over Ten Commandments display
http://www.pensacolanewsjournal.com/news/082303/Local/ST004.shtml
Moore met with the commission earlier Friday as about 100 of his supporters, several blocks away at the federal courthouse, ripped and burned a copy of U.S. District Judge Myron Thompson's order for the monument's removal.

Moore said he told the commission that he upheld his oath of office by acknowledging God. Moore has said Thompson has no authority to tell the state's chief justice to remove the monument.

Yahweh

22nd August 2003, 10:06 PM

Originally posted by evildave
Alabama judge suspended over Ten Commandments display
http://www.pensacolanewsjournal.com/news/082303/Local/ST004.shtml
Moore met with the commission earlier Friday as about 100 of his supporters, several blocks away at the federal courthouse, ripped and burned a copy of U.S. District Judge Myron Thompson's order for the monument's removal.

Moore said he told the commission that he upheld his oath of office by acknowledging God. Moore has said Thompson has no authority to tell the state's chief justice to remove the monument.
I saw on the news today about all those 100s of supporters who swore they would block any efforts to remove the 10 Commandments monument. For instance, they'd lay in the way, or even go as far as parading signs around.

Perhaps it never occurred to these (the majority of) people (based on information provided to me) are opposing the removal of the monument for religious reasons rather than political reasons. F*dging idiots...

Some Friggin Guy

22nd August 2003, 10:06 PM

What can we expect from a person who once said that seperation of church and state was the will of almighty god?

This man really makes me long for the days of the Coliseum.

And the word "coliseum" really makes me wish I had access to a spell checker.

zakur

23rd August 2003, 06:40 AM

Originally posted by Yahweh
I saw on the news today about all those 100s of supporters who swore they would block any efforts to remove the 10 Commandments monument. For instance, they'd lay in the way, or even go as far as parading signs around.
Moore-ons.

Checkmite

23rd August 2003, 07:36 AM

Originally posted by odorousrex
The ten commandments always bugged me.

Millenia ago a piece of fiery shrubbery says don't do these 10 things OR ELSE!

And now 4000 years later people are still falling for the bush's ploy?

I wouldn't be surprised if Moses made the whole thing up to keep his people from complaining.
I would've done the same thing.

According to the relevant text, the burning bush directed Moses to return to Egypt from exile and lead the Exodus, that's it. It is supposed to be that God Himself carved the tablets with the commandments out of rock (it doesn't explain exactly how), and that it was these tablets which Moses brought down from the mountain.

triadboy

23rd August 2003, 08:18 AM

Originally posted by Joshua Korosi

According to the relevant text, the burning bush directed Moses to return to Egypt from exile and lead the Exodus, that's it. It is supposed to be that God Himself carved the tablets with the commandments out of rock (it doesn't explain exactly how), and that it was these tablets which Moses brought down from the mountain.

...and then he got pissed off and smashed them. So he had to trudge back up the mountain and get a xerox. And weren't these tablets the items that were carted around in the Ark of the Covenent for years? And then in an act of utter stupidity (if you believe they ACTUALLY existed) - they were stolen in battle. The bible talks about people falling over dead when they heard the news. Everyone else just crapped bricks. The most important thing in the world and it gets stolen and never seen again. Damn!

zakur

23rd August 2003, 09:02 AM

Originally posted by triadboy
...and then he got pissed off and smashed them. So he had to trudge back up the mountain and get a xerox. And the new copy (Ex. 34) didn't even match the original (Ex. 20). :rolleyes:

Checkmite

23rd August 2003, 09:04 AM

Originally posted by zakur
And the new copy (Ex. 34) didn't even match the original (Ex. 20). :rolleyes:

Yes, isn't that curious? :D

evildave

23rd August 2003, 06:52 PM

Well, God is said to be infallible... so maybe he changed hi mind?

Or maybe ol' Moses just carved another one from memory when god wouldn't pick up the phone?

The Central Scrutinizer

23rd August 2003, 06:58 PM

Originally posted by billiefan2000
According to the God hating ACLU you cant even have the 10 Commandments in your own home.

Where do they say that, moron?

Originally posted by billiefan2000

Plus,to take away the 10 Commandments in Alabama is saying that any law this Country is invalid,cause this Country and it's laws originated from the 10 Commandments.

Where do you get that from, moron?

crocodile deathroll

23rd August 2003, 10:10 PM

In Australia many are still reluctant to snip off ties between church and state. I find it so aggravating how the "Our Father" is still recited before the sitting of each day in parliament.

I felt is was such a blessing that the Governor General Bishop Peter Hollingworth was forced to stand down over the sex allegations in his church before he was appointed by our prime minister. That was not my main gripe over the appointment of Bishop Hollingworth, it was the separation of church and state in which he should never of been appointed in the first place

CDR.