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Hourglassmemory
29th June 2007, 10:16 PM
People just watch this.
I did have to get up. I had my mouth open.
My eyes widened.
I'm a skeptical person. VERY.
Listen to it with sound.

You will see how the whole thing just makes you.....shake your head and look agian in disbelief.

It is a sun miracle like fatima.
no it's not fake at all.

After you watch it you'll understand what I'm saying.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlPHHl0AjZk

Miss Anthrope
29th June 2007, 10:42 PM
It was breathtaking.........................




...........the gullibility of people.

-Fran-
29th June 2007, 10:44 PM
Uh, I don't get what the miracle is? There's some sun-related phenomena? There's something to do with the way it was filmed?? Is it an eclipse? What? :confused:

Miss Anthrope
29th June 2007, 10:47 PM
Uh, I don't get what the miracle is? There's some sun-related phenomena? There's something to do with the way it was filmed?? Is it an eclipse? What? :confused:

It's either an eclipse, a blackout in video capture, or fakery. With a nice bit of lens flare for extra yumminess.

JoeTheJuggler
29th June 2007, 10:51 PM
After you watch it you'll understand what I'm saying.


Nope--not at all. Especially the part about you being a skeptic.

-Fran-
29th June 2007, 10:52 PM
It's either an eclipse, a blackout in video capture, or fakery. With a nice bit of lens flare for extra yumminess.

It does look somewhat like an eclipse, but the lens flare theory seems likely, that gave me a headache :)

Whatever it is, it's a bit too soon to cry miracle, me thinks :)

Miss Anthrope
29th June 2007, 10:55 PM
It does look somewhat like an eclipse, but the lens flare theory seems likely, that gave me a headache :)

Whatever it is, it's a bit too soon to cry miracle, me thinks :)

Not to mention, why would such an amazing thing just be on Youtube, rather than the front page of most newspapers?

Atlas
29th June 2007, 10:56 PM
I couldn't tell from the background discussion. Was this only an artifact of the camera? I thought people were saying they couldn't see it. I suppose they weren't looking because it's not wise to gaze at the sun. But in the scene with the oily statue everybody was unconcerned with the sun. It may be that it had been sitting there with a black dot for hours and everybody got bored. It would be a strange miracle indeed that left one bored.

My Mom went to Medjagorie. She's a true believer. She really hoped to see a miracle. Others made claims - she saw nothing. Didn't mean anything faithwise. She still sends me magazines and circles the important articles so I won't miss anything.

-Fran-
29th June 2007, 11:00 PM
Not to mention, why would such an amazing thing just be on Youtube, rather than the front page of most newspapers?

Yeah, I guess if the Messiah returned, he'd videotape himself and announce it on Youtube :rolleyes:

Miss Anthrope
29th June 2007, 11:01 PM
Hourglass, after reading some of your other posts, I'm guessing your entire OP was sarcastic humor. Please tell me I'm correct.

Tearout
29th June 2007, 11:09 PM
I think I just wasted 5 minutes of my life on this.

BenK
29th June 2007, 11:18 PM
A commenter left this link on Overexposure Solarization (http://www.cchem.berkeley.edu/wljeme/Chapt1.html).

RobertlewisIR
29th June 2007, 11:35 PM
It's a miracle! There's no way to explain this rationally! Jesus is speaking to us!


Wait, what? You mean Jesus isn't really a little dot in front of the sun?

blobru
29th June 2007, 11:40 PM
Another Miracle! :flamed:

Black Dot Jesus (http://travel.webshots.com/photo/1249249785013929762BoMnfR) appears to diners at the "Sea Shell Snack Bar" in Zakynthos, Greece.

cloudshipsrule
29th June 2007, 11:51 PM
Poor camera!

I'd be willing to bet they could see this 'miracle' any day they please if they use the same camera and point it directly at the sun again. Next time they can charge admission.

tube
30th June 2007, 12:19 AM
Another black hole sun video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiSkyEyBczU

Solus
30th June 2007, 02:04 AM
I think I'll make a similar sun video with a dancing jesus in the middle. Gimme a break.

Safe-Keeper
30th June 2007, 04:43 AM
The comments prove that fundamentalists should not be allowed to buy or possess, or watch footage from, digital cameras. Clearly this new technology is above their collective bronze age mind.

articulett
30th June 2007, 04:55 AM
The comments prove that fundamentalists should not be allowed to buy or possess, or watch footage from, digital cameras. Clearly this new technology is above their collective bronze age mind.

Their intelligent designer sent them to us for our amusement. :)

LTC8K6
30th June 2007, 08:13 AM
Overloaded CCD sensor on low-end camera. The same fakery the planet X folks used to claim Planet X was near. Below are photos taken of the sun on the same day with different cameras. The cheap Agfa produces the black sun, the Canon does not.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_7934686649b03519.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=6641)



http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_793468664e5613f9.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=6642)

Hourglassmemory
30th June 2007, 08:34 AM
Hourglass, after reading some of your other posts, I'm guessing your entire OP was sarcastic humor. Please tell me I'm correct.

YES it IS sarcasm.

Hourglassmemory
30th June 2007, 08:35 AM
Nope--not at all. Especially the part about you being a skeptic.


It was sarcasm.
This whole black circle thing, I remember playing with my webcam and pointing it at the sun when I was 14 years of age, and I just thought it was a curious digital thing happening. I didn't ...you know....pray and awed at the "miracle".

Lisa Simpson
30th June 2007, 08:35 AM
Digital cameras and Photoshop must be practically a gift from the gods for those who wish to gull the gullible.

Wolverine
30th June 2007, 09:07 AM
If that's the best s/he can do, that's one overrated and/or lazy deity.

Elizabeth I
30th June 2007, 09:15 AM
I just want to know how to pronounce Medjugorge.

Atlas
30th June 2007, 10:06 AM
I've always heard it pronounced - Madge a gory

Kenny 10 Bellys
30th June 2007, 10:19 AM
I think if people are seeing their diety in digital artifacts, mould on fridges and the scrapings of toast then they're getting pretty desperate for a sign from their imaginary friend. How sad.

JoeTheJuggler
30th June 2007, 10:30 AM
Nope--not at all. Especially the part about you being a skeptic.

It was sarcasm.
This whole black circle thing, I remember playing with my webcam and pointing it at the sun when I was 14 years of age, and I just thought it was a curious digital thing happening. I didn't ...you know....pray and awed at the "miracle".

You've got to wave a flag or something for me. <sigh> When I was 14, digital cameras didn't exist. . . (I believe tintypes were the cutting edge technology of the day).

Near here, at a shrine to "Our Lady of the Snows" the faithful turn out a couple of times a year to stare at the sun and then insist that they can see an open doorway there. The nice thing about this practice is that it keeps the supply of blind people seeking cures well stocked.

Tanja
30th June 2007, 10:32 AM
I just want to know how to pronounce Medjugorge.

Medjugorje is pronounced m-edge-oo-gor-yeh. :)

-Fran-
30th June 2007, 06:07 PM
YES it IS sarcasm.

I'm glad to hear that! You really had me worried there for a while :( :)

Hamradioguy
30th June 2007, 09:33 PM
Interesting the number of youtube responses (often illiterate and/or filled with profanity) that claim this is an eclipse. Anyone who's ever seen a REAL eclipse would know this looks nothing like an eclipse. And how hard is it these days to do a quick on-line search to see just where and when in 2006 a total solar eclipse would take place? (FYI: March 29th starting in far east Brazil, across central Africa, across Turkey and on into Georgia.)

For those whose knowledge of photographic faking is limited to Photoshop, here's how it was done in the old days:
Sometime in-I think- the 1920s there was a total solar eclipse in
South America. A movie studio sent a camera crew down to get
motion pictures of the event, but as luck would have it, the day
of the eclipse it was cloudy.
"Never mind", said the studio Lab Technician back in Holywood.
"We can create an eclipse here in the lab."
The subsequent movie newsreel showed the sun being eclipsed
by the moon, but on the disk of the "sun" could clearly be seen the
words: "MAZDA 120V 40 watts."

Brown
30th June 2007, 09:54 PM
Sauron, eh? Cool.

Monza
1st July 2007, 03:51 AM
This (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://farm1.static.flickr.com/130/329583787_6bd186f432.jpg&imgrefurl=http://snailstales.blogspot.com/search%3Fupdated-min%3D2006-01-01T00%253A00%253A00-05%253A00%26updated-max%3D2007-01-01T00%253A00%253A00-05%253A00%26max-results%3D50&h=375&w=482&sz=42&hl=en&start=1&um=1&tbnid=eLWuj9lq1cDZkM:&tbnh=100&tbnw=129&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dansel%2Badams%2Bblack%2Bsun%26svnum%3 D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dsaf ari%26rls%3Den) page has a similar effect produced while developing the photograph. Can the same thing be done in-camera with a digital or video recorder?