A response to Hillary's race baiting

[Art Vandelay]

"Let me just put this in perspective: If HIV-AIDS were the leading cause of death of white women between the ages of 25 and 34 there would be an outraged, outcry in this country."

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=11596240

Really? Do you know how much NHS spending on AIDS works out to be, per death? $224k, that's how much. Take a look at this chart:

http://scribalterror.blogs.com/scribal_terror/2007/02/nih_funding_per.html

Adding up all the other diseases, the sum comes out to be $228k. AIDS spending per death is almost as much as all the other diseases put together.

You know what the leading cause of death of rich white men is? Heart disease. Yet our so-very-racist society spends 38% more on AIDS, despite the fact that heart disease take more than five times the lives.

So, yes, Ms. Clinton, let's put this in perspective.

[Dr Adequate]

Adding up all the other diseases, the sum comes out to be $228k. Fractions don't work that way.

AIDS spending per death is almost as much as all the other diseases put together. I make it that AIDS spending per death is more than three times all the other diseases put together.

[MaGZ]

I saw that debate two days ago. To put it in context the Democratic Presidential candidates appeared at Howard University on PBS and most–if not all–of the questions related to minority racial politics. I saw about an hour of the ‘debate’. In reality there was no debate; all of the candidates were agreeing with each other and pandering to the Black audience. Essentially every question asked was, "What can White America do to solve our Black problems?"

[Dr Adequate]

I saw that debate two days ago. To put it in context the Democratic Presidential candidates appeared at Howard University on PBS and most–if not all–of the questions related to minority racial politics. I saw about an hour of the ‘debate’. In reality there was no debate; all of the candidates were agreeing with each other and pandering to the Black audience. Essentially every question asked was, "What can White America do to solve our Black problems?" One thing still puzzles me --- what's the role of the Jews in all this?

I presume that they profit somehow.

[Art Vandelay]

Fractions don't work that way.That they are fractions is not really the relevant issue, but rather than they have different units. As for whether meaning can be attributed to the sum of different units, that is a matter of opinion. If a pound of pears casts $3, a pound of apples $1, and a pound of oranges $2, I think that it would be meaningful to say that 3/pear+1/apple+2/oranges=6/(apple+pear+orange)

I saw that debate two days ago. To put it in context the Democratic Presidential candidates appeared at Howard University on PBS and most–if not all–of the questions related to minority racial politics. I saw about an hour of the ‘debate’.If you will indulge my nitpicking: there is a difference between a hyphen - and a dash --

And I notice that the author of the article I quoted doesn't seem to quite understand English:

Court's decision Thursday forbidding schools to consider race as a remedy for diversity.
A "remedy for diversity" is something applied with the intent of reducing diversity.

Hillary Rodham Clinton, of New York, the only woman and a serious candidateI think she meant "the only person who is both a woman and a serious candidate".

I also found this quote rather silly:
"It's the first time in our history since we had the federal income tax that we're in a position where those who are the wage-earners are paying a bigger chunk than they should. It's got to shift back," Biden said.So, Biden has no problem with any of the previous distributions?

[MaGZ]

One thing still puzzles me --- what's the role of the Jews in all this?

I presume that they profit somehow.

I don’t recall if there was the obligatory question concerning Israel which is all to common in the debates. As I said, I did not watch all of it.

Perhaps Blacks don’t care about Israel.

[MelBrooksfan]

Why is anyone shocked anymore by the shameless pandering of presidential candidates?

[WildCat]

Why is anyone shocked anymore by the shameless pandering of presidential candidates?
"Can I get me a huntin' license here?" - John Kerry

[latent aaaack]

Why is anyone shocked anymore by the shameless pandering of presidential candidates?

How very cynical of you, I assume you say this just because she chose to wear a sombrero this one time and speak in a Cantonese accent while handling a dradel, as if she couldn't have had any other perfectly valid reason for feeling like doing so.

[WildCat]

I'm still scratching my head over this one from Hillary (http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/06/29/mg.thy/):
Appearing before a religious conference earlier this week, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-New York) told the audience that as a child attending Sunday school she would baby-sit the children of migrant workers so that their older siblings could join their parents at work.
Hillary grew up in Park Ridge, Illinois. Park Ridge borders the northwest side of Chicago. It was not a rural area, even back then. I'd bet the nearest farm was a good 20 miles away. So what were migrant farm workers doing in Park Ridge, or did she just make it all up?

[Katana]

I'm still scratching my head over this one from Hillary (http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/06/29/mg.thy/):

Hillary grew up in Park Ridge, Illinois. Park Ridge borders the northwest side of Chicago. It was not a rural area, even back then. I'd bet the nearest farm was a good 20 miles away. So what were migrant farm workers doing in Park Ridge, or did she just make it all up?


"...she would baby-sit the children of migrant workers so that their older siblings could join their parents at work."

So she supports child labor?

[WildCat]

"...she would baby-sit the children of migrant workers so that their older siblings could join their parents at work."

So she supports child labor?
Maybe what she really meant is that she sat the kids down in front of her TV while their siblings mowed her yard.

[Katana]

Maybe what she really meant is that she sat the kids down in front of her TV while their siblings mowed her yard.


:D

[MaGZ]

And let us not forget Hillary’s Jewish roots.

http://www.truthinmedia.org/TruthinMedia/Bulletins99/tim99-8-1.html

[Dorian Gray]

What IS the leading cause of death among white women aged 25-34? If you have to look it up, doesn't that pretty much shoot a huge gaping hole in her argument (because obviously an outrage is not occurring)?

[MelBrooksfan]

What IS the leading cause of death among white women aged 25-34? If you have to look it up, doesn't that pretty much shoot a huge gaping hole in her argument (because obviously an outrage is not occurring)?

http://fathersforlife.org/population_politics/US_population_figures_80-96.htm#Leading_Causes\

That's a bit out of date (but, we know, from Hillary's comments, that AIDS isn't gaining), but according to that it's accidents (control+f "25-34"). Seems reasonable for folks in the prime of their vitality, so it may still be true today. If it is, I suppose the arguement is unaffected. I mean, how does one effectively outrage about accidents?

[Comrade Ogilvy]

I'm still scratching my head over this one from Hillary (http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/06/29/mg.thy/):

Hillary grew up in Park Ridge, Illinois. Park Ridge borders the northwest side of Chicago. It was not a rural area, even back then. I'd bet the nearest farm was a good 20 miles away. So what were migrant farm workers doing in Park Ridge, or did she just make it all up?

Like being named after Sir Edmund Hillary?

[Art Vandelay]

http://fathersforlife.org/population_politics/US_population_figures_80-96.htm#Leading_Causes\

That's a bit out of date (but, we know, from Hillary's comments, that AIDS isn't gaining), but according to that it's accidents (control+f "25-34"). Seems reasonable for folks in the prime of their vitality, so it may still be true today. If it is, I suppose the arguement is unaffected. I mean, how does one effectively outrage about accidents?If I may continue my pedantry, often when verbs are converted to nouns, the prepositions are move in front. When changed back to a verb, the preposition should move back again. So perhaps "rage out" would be a more grammatically correct phrase.

[Miss Anthrope]

You know, the only time I've even thought of praying to a god is when I think about another Bush or Clinton ever running the White House again.

[Comrade Ogilvy]

You know, the only time I've even thought of praying to a god is when I think about another Bush or Clinton ever running the White House again.

Yep...I think America is tired of both clans...on a lighter note how come the Kennedy family has not been sterilized?

[Art Vandelay]

Just think: Bush the elder is still eligible to run!

[Dr Adequate]

Really? Do you know how much NHS spending on AIDS works out to be, per death? $224k, that's how much. Take a look at this chart:

http://scribalterror.blogs.com/scribal_terror/2007/02/nih_funding_per.html

Adding up all the other diseases, the sum comes out to be $228k. AIDS spending per death is almost as much as all the other diseases put together.

You know what the leading cause of death of rich white men is? Heart disease. Yet our so-very-racist society spends 38% more on AIDS, despite the fact that heart disease take more than five times the lives. Hold on.

I just belatedly realised that we're looking at the wrong figures.

The figure of dollars per death is irrelevant.

What needs to be equalised is the number of lives saved (or QUALYs saved, or whatever our metric of success is) per marginal dollar spent.

[Crossbow]

That they are fractions is not really the relevant issue, but rather than they have different units. As for whether meaning can be attributed to the sum of different units, that is a matter of opinion. If a pound of pears casts $3, a pound of apples $1, and a pound of oranges $2, I think that it would be meaningful to say that 3/pear+1/apple+2/oranges=6/(apple+pear+orange)

... snipped for revelance

This morning I have been wondering how 'Art Vandelay' could possibly call Islam an "inherently violent religion" (see http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2834569#post2834569) and then when I saw him proudly demonstrate his ignorance of mathematics, it became quite clear to me as to how he can make such incredibly ignorant claims about religious matters as well.

[TragicMonkey]

Yep...I think America is tired of both clans...on a lighter note how come the Kennedy family has not been sterilized?

They find it less invasive to trust to luck and any bridges that happen to be handy.

[Darth Rotor]

They find it less invasive to trust to luck and any bridges that happen to be handy.
Not to mention flying without a visual horizon at night, particularly when not qualified at instrument flying.

DR

[Art Vandelay]

This morning I have been wondering how 'Art Vandelay' could possibly call Islam an "inherently violent religion" (see http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2834569#post2834569) I notice that instead of actually presenting a counterargument in that thread, you childishly snipe at me in another thread.

and then when I saw him proudly demonstrate his ignorance of mathematics, it became quite clear to me as to how he can make such incredibly ignorant claims about religious matters as well.The issue of disagreement is not mathematics; only a fool would disagree that 1+2+3=6. The issue is the meaning attached to the mathematical calculations. Funny how people keep claiming to expose my ignorance, but in doing so only expose their own.

[Dr Adequate]

The issue of disagreement is not mathematics; only a fool would disagree that 1+2+3=6. The issue is the meaning attached to the mathematical calculations. And the meaning you attached was "spending per death". You know what "per" means, yes? "Divided by"? Does that ring any bells?

[Ziggurat]

Yep...I think America is tired of both clans...on a lighter note how come the Kennedy family has not been sterilized?

Because we don't generally sterilize the mentally handicapped anymore. :boggled:

[Crossbow]

I notice that instead of actually presenting a counterargument in that thread, you childishly snipe at me in another thread.


Your comments about the Muslim religion being "inherently violent" are well worthy of a snipe since it shows how little you actually know about this subject while at the same time showing how you like to believe that you know so much about this subject.


The issue of disagreement is not mathematics; only a fool would disagree that 1+2+3=6. The issue is the meaning attached to the mathematical calculations. Funny how people keep claiming to expose my ignorance, but in doing so only expose their own.

As for your mathematic skills, again this shows how you may believe that you know what you are talking about when in fact you do not know what you are talking about.

Specifically, you originally claimed that if:

Apples = 1$/lb,
Oranges = 2$/lb, and
Pear = $3/lb, then

1/Apples + 2/Oranges + 3/Pears = 6/(Apples + Oranges + Pears)

Well, that is simply wrong!

The actual answer is:

1/Apples + 2/Oranges + 3/Pears = 3lb/$

Or, looking at the right hand side of the equation:

6/(Apples + Oranges + Pears) = lb/$

And there is no way that:

3lb/$ = lb/$

Therefore, even though your illusion of knowledge about the Muslim religion equals your illusion of knowledge of mathematics you equally wrong about both subjects.

As for the fool subject you mention it makes me remember when my grandfather used to say that "a man can only make a fool of himself" and you are to be congratulated at having done such a good job at validating this old proverb.

[Art Vandelay]

Your comments about the Muslim religion being "inherently violent" are well worthy of a snipe since it shows how little you actually know about this subject while at the same time showing how you like to believe that you know so much about this subject. You've had every opportunity to inform me of whatever knowledge you think I lack. The fact that you prefer to insult me rather than engage in debate shows how baseless your position is.

Specifically, you originally claimed that if:

Apples = 1$/lb,
Oranges = 2$/lb, and
Pear = $3/lb, then

1/Apples + 2/Oranges + 3/Pears = 6/(Apples + Oranges + Pears)What I said was that it would be meaningful to say that. I said nothing about whether it is mathematically rigorous. You might want to actually read people's post before making a fool of yourself trying to respond to them.

1/Apples + 2/Oranges + 3/Pears = 3lb/$That's just plain silly. You seriously believe that if a grocer is willing to sell one pound of apples for $1, one pound of oranges for two, and a pound of pears for three, he'd be willing to let you have all three pounds for just one dollar? On the left side of your equation, it's dollars per pounds. On the right, it's magically changed to pounds per dollar. Even a gradeschooler should have enough sense to realize that that is nonsense.

[Crossbow]

You've had every opportunity to inform me of whatever knowledge you think I lack. The fact that you prefer to insult me rather than engage in debate shows how baseless your position is.

What I said was that it would be meaningful to say that. I said nothing about whether it is mathematically rigorous. You might want to actually read people's post before making a fool of yourself trying to respond to them.

That's just plain silly. You seriously believe that if a grocer is willing to sell one pound of apples for $1, one pound of oranges for two, and a pound of pears for three, he'd be willing to let you have all three pounds for just one dollar? On the left side of your equation, it's dollars per pounds. On the right, it's magically changed to pounds per dollar. Even a gradeschooler should have enough sense to realize that that is nonsense.

Wow! Oh wow 'Art Vandelay'!

I suggest that you stop so publicly and so obstinately demonstrating your ignorance of mathematics (especially working with units and fractions) because doing so serves to show everyone just what a fool you are making of yourself.

As for the mathematics, you originally said:

If

Apples cost $1/lb,
Oranges cost $2/lb, and
Pears cost $3/lb,

Then

1/($1/lb) + 2/($2/lb) + 3/($3/lb) = 6/($1/lb + $2/lb + $3/lb)

Well, you are quite wrong about that!

To prove it, looking at the left side of the equation:

1/($1/lb) + 2/($2/lb) + 3/($3/lb) = 1/($/lb) + 1/($/lb) + 1/($/lb) [the coefficients cancel]

1/($1/lb) + 2/($2/lb) + 3/($3/lb) = (lb/$) + (lb/$) + (lb/$) [taking the reciprocal of the denominator]

Collecting like terms shows that the answer for the left side of the equation should actually be:

1/($1/lb) + 2/($2/lb) + 3/($3/lb) = 3lb/$

Now, looking at the right side of the equation:

6/($1/lb + $2/lb + $3/lb) = 6/($6/lb) [collecting like terms in the denominator]

6/($1/lb + $2/lb + $3/lb) = 1/($/lb) [the coefficients cancel]

Taking the reciprocal of the denominator and multiplying by the numerator (which in this case is "1") shows that the answer for the right side of the equation should be:

6/($1/lb + $2/lb + $3/lb) = lb/$

Thus, according to your math

3lb/$ = lb/$

Or by cancelling like terms your equation actually concludes that:

3 = 1

Well of course, three does not equal one and any grade school student could tell you that.

Note: in mathematics, the left side of the equation is always supposed to equal the right side of the equation, that is why it is called and "equation"!

Therefore my meaningful conclusion is that since your math skills are quite poor even though you like believe otherwise I expect that your knowledge of the Muslim religion is at least as poor even though you like to believe otherwise.

[Art Vandelay]

As for the mathematics, you originally said:

If

Apples cost $1/lb,
Oranges cost $2/lb, and
Pears cost $3/lb,

Then

1/($1/lb) + 2/($2/lb) + 3/($3/lb) = 6/($1/lb + $2/lb + $3/lb)
No, what I said was "I think that it would be meaningful to say that 3/pear+1/apple+2/oranges=6/(apple+pear+orange)". So, now, not only are you lying by leaving off the "it would be meaningful" part, but you are lying by taking the reciprocal of everything. Apparently, your logic is "you claim that pear=$3/lb, so 3/pear=3/($3/lb). That's simply fallacious, as I never said that a pear is equal to $3/lb, I said the cost of a pear is $3/lb.

Note: in mathematics, the left side of the equation is always supposed to equal the right side of the equation, that is why it is called and "equation"!You're the one who called it an equation, not me. Simply because I use a symbol commonly used to denote equality doesn't mean that I mean it to be taken literally as an equation. Hence, I said "meaningful", not "literally a mathematical equation".

[Crossbow]

No, what I said was "I think that it would be meaningful to say that 3/pear+1/apple+2/oranges=6/(apple+pear+orange)". So, now, not only are you lying by leaving off the "it would be meaningful" part, but you are lying by taking the reciprocal of everything. Apparently, your logic is "you claim that pear=$3/lb, so 3/pear=3/($3/lb). That's simply fallacious, as I never said that a pear is equal to $3/lb, I said the cost of a pear is $3/lb.

You're the one who called it an equation, not me. Simply because I use a symbol commonly used to denote equality doesn't mean that I mean it to be taken literally as an equation. Hence, I said "meaningful", not "literally a mathematical equation".

When one is wrong about facts that are easy to check, then that person should simply admit that they were wrong and go on from there because doing so is better than being just another obstinate fool.

[frank462]

You know, the only time I've even thought of praying to a god is when I think about another Bush or Clinton ever running the White House again.

I pay you homage for your wisdom.

http://www.frank462.cnc.net/gifs/hail.gifMissA