Already-rich Smart family to get even richer, despite poor parenting skills

[American]

Father Magazine (http://www.fathermag.com/303/elizabeth_smart/)

I want to be a great father. Not of the "World's Greatest Dad" genre, which I think is a load of crap, but as THE man in my daughter's life, I will strive to be better than most parents (certainly better than any of you).

So I was reading FatherMagazine.com like I always do (I prefer it over glossy magazines), and I came across this article.


That stupid girl is at it again. This time she's making a fortune off of her unwillingness to engineer an escape plan, or to execute even the simplest scheme to fool a creep straight out of Jonestown-1978 and get away safe back to her family, so they'd of stopped worrying and the rest of the country could get back to hunting Osama, or trying to nail Sadaam in IRAQ.

Maybe it's a good thing though, thinking about her future like that. I don't think her SATs alone would get her into college.. the little punk.

[The Fool]

Originally posted by American
Father Magazine (http://www.fathermag.com/303/elizabeth_smart/)

I want to be a great father. Not of the "World's Greatest Dad" genre, which I think is a load of crap, but as THE man in my daughter's life, I will strive to be better than most parents (certainly better than any of you).



What gives you the right to say something like this you useless pile of sh*t?

You've already trolled this place once on this topic. Be a good little boy and at least dream up fresh angles for your trolling.

Anyway, a schoolgirl is probably a reasonable target for a coward like you.

Time to hitch the house back up to the truck and move on.........

[Mr Manifesto]

That stupid girl is at it again. This time she's making a fortune off of her unwillingness to engineer an escape plan, or to execute even the simplest scheme to fool a creep straight out of Jonestown-1978 and get away safe back to her family, so they'd of stopped worrying and the rest of the country could get back to hunting Osama, or trying to nail Sadaam in IRAQ.

Maybe if the media could reliably predict that the American public wouldn't follow stupid stories like this -like the bunch of morons the media obviously takes them to be- the rest of the country could have gotten back to hunting Osama and nailing Sadaam (sic).

But the beauty of these sorts of articles is, there's always some idiot who obsesses over them. To the point of starting threads on online bulletin boards about the topic.

One star.

[Pyrrho]

While I would not characterize Elizabeth Smart as a "punk" or a "stupid girl", I do think that the Smart family is going to take great pains to make sure that their version of the story is what will be told.

We're never going to know the whole truth about that sadm, sordid episode, and it's really none of our business. I certainly won't watch any TV movies about it, nor will I buy any books about it.

[Zep]

With brilliant quotes like this:
I will strive to be better than most parents (certainly better than any of you).Your attitude is off to a flying start for a loving, caring parent.

:i:

Perhaps if you read some other material that WASN'T so bitter and twisted about parenthood, then you might get a REAL life.

[Jon_in_london]

Isnt 13 a bit young to be a father?

[Ipecac]

American, must we go through this again? Feeling like Ghengis Prawn was stealing your limelight? Leave the poor girl alone and keep your misogyny to yourself.

[hgc]

American, I sometimes have to wonder what motivates sh!tstain trolls such as yourself to come here act out your most vile fantasies about little girls. I can only hope that the general opprobrium shown toward you here will have the salutory effect of at least making you scarce, if not actually awakening your sensibilities to a more humane outlook.

[Sundog]

Originally posted by American
Father Magazine (http://www.fathermag.com/303/elizabeth_smart/)


Maybe it's a good thing though, thinking about her future like that. I don't think her SATs alone would get her into college.. the little punk.

That's it, dude. I officially give up on you. Feel privileged, I didn't even give up on JK.

You are now on my ignore list.

[American]

Originally posted by The Fool


What gives you the right to say something like this you useless pile of sh*t?

You've already trolled this place once on this topic. Be a good little boy and at least dream up fresh angles for your trolling.

Anyway, a schoolgirl is probably a reasonable target for a coward like you.

Time to hitch the house back up to the truck and move on.........

I will reply to the only person who gave me great substance.


Look. I could have engineered an action-plan by the end of the first week. First she should have pretended like she was going along with it all and she was OK with marrying a street bum. Second, she should have got all buddy-buddy with the bum's bum wife, and maybe try and get her to help her out, if possible. Third, she should have SCREAMED at the halloween party "I'M ELIZABETH SMART!" Fifth, when the police asked her who she was, she shouldn't have lied to them. That was her main mistake.

[Pyrrho]

Originally posted by American
I will reply to the only person who gave me great substance.

Look. I could have engineered an action-plan by the end of the first week. First she should have pretended like she was going along with it all and she was OK with marrying a street bum. Second, she should have got all buddy-buddy with the bum's bum wife, and maybe try and get her to help her out, if possible. Third, she should have SCREAMED at the halloween party "I'M ELIZABETH SMART!" Fifth, when the police asked her who she was, she shouldn't have lied to them. That was her main mistake.
Unless you've been in such a situation, how can you pass judgment on what she should have been capable of doing?

Deja vu...

I will agree, though, that there is more to this story than has been told. But I really don't care.

[Crossbow]

Originally posted by American


I will reply to the only person who gave me great substance.


Look. I could have engineered an action-plan by the end of the first week. First she should have pretended like she was going along with it all and she was OK with marrying a street bum. Second, she should have got all buddy-buddy with the bum's bum wife, and maybe try and get her to help her out, if possible. Third, she should have SCREAMED at the halloween party "I'M ELIZABETH SMART!" Fifth, when the police asked her who she was, she shouldn't have lied to them. That was her main mistake.

American, you are a very stupid person.

There is a real difference between what a moderately confident and experienced adult male would do when they were kidnapped as opposed to what a 13 year girl would do.

[jj]

Stuff like this convinces me that American is either a deliberate troll, someone who has never dealt with children before, or a youngster him?self.

You can't expect the same performance out of a 12 year old that you can out of a green beret, you know. Well, I know that, and most people know that. Maybe American doesn't.

[hgc]

Originally posted by jj
Stuff like this convinces me that American is either a deliberate troll, someone who has never dealt with children before, or a youngster him?self.

You can't expect the same performance out of a 12 year old that you can out of a green beret, you know. Well, I know that, and most people know that. Maybe American doesn't. Sh!tstain American may be a deliberate troll, but his original post reveals so much about his own anxieties that he probably didn't intend to air in public.

He is obsessed with the economic status of the Smart family (his own economic/social status), with his own skills as a parent (whether or not he really has a child), with the intelligence of E. Smart (his own intelligence level). How could someone be so intent on criticizing a little girl who was kidnapped at knifepoint from her own home, and not actually be disturbed and deluded enough to think he'd find some fellow-travelers on an Internet chat, rather than total slap-down?

[JAR]

Originally posted by Mr Manifesto
Maybe if the media could reliably predict that the American public wouldn't follow stupid stories like this -like the bunch of morons the media obviously takes them to be- the rest of the country could have gotten back to hunting Osama and nailing Sadaam (sic).
[snip]
H.L. Mencken once said something like, "No-one has ever lost any money underestimating the intelligence of the American people."

I read on one webpage that this quote is often attributed to Mencken but that it has not been confirmed that he actually ever said it.

When you see modern American movie previews and modern American TV shows, you begin to see that the media really isn't worried about underestimating the intelligence of the American people. The actor Basil Rathbone once wrote that movies are for the lowest common denominator.

Where I live, I have to say that Americans are pretty stupid. Book reading where I live is rare. If you're a young person reading a book, a common question you will be asked by other young people is if you are reading it for school.

[Clancie]

Posted by Pyrrho

We're never going to know the whole truth about that sad, sordid episode,
Oh, I'm quite confident the truth will all come out at their trial (the charges for both defendents: kidnapping and sexual assault).

[American]

Originally posted by Ipecac
Leave the poor girl alone and keep your misogyny to yourself.

You keep using that word! One of these days, I'm going to look it up.



Not today!

[jj]

Originally posted by American


You keep using that word! One of these days, I'm going to look it up.



Not today! :what:
:coal:
:tr:

[reprise]

Weird crap does happen.

A young woman in Australia who was thought to have been murdered was recently located only days before someone was to stand trial for her murder. She had been missing, presumed abducted and murdered, for several years. And although this particular young woman left home voluntarily, there are many questions being asked about why - in the years subsequent to her disappearance - she made no attempt to let people know why she was still alive. There are also many questions to be answered about why she chose to live those years under conditions of virtual imprisonment, and why the boyfriend with whom she was living during those years was able to exert such extreme control over her actions during that period.

While my own daughters are pretty good at thinking on their feet, I have little doubt that my 11 year old's behaviour under abduction conditions would be very much oriented towards survival and minimising the possibility of the rest of the family being harmed. We have no idea what Elizabeth Smart was told the consequences of any attempt to escape or reveal her identity would be.

And I'm damned if I can see how the socio-economic status of the Smart family is in any way relevant to the abduction.

All this thread has really established is that American doesn't like females or rich people (we've already established in other threads that he doesn't like parents).

I think that part of the fascination with cases like this one stems from fear - the need to know how and why it happened in order to protect something similar happening to our own children. The more detail the media feeds us, the more we are able to compile a checklist which falsely reassures us that "this will never happen to my child" because the conditions on that checkist don't apply to our own family.

[Pyrrho]

Originally posted by Clancie
Oh, I'm quite confident the truth will all come out at their trial (the charges for both defendents: kidnapping and sexual assault).
That's assuming they ever go to trial:

http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/news/1061545411165110.xml


Mitchell and Barzee have been charged with burglary, kidnapping and sexual assault. They are being held on $10 million bond pending psychological examinations to determine whether they are competent to stand trial.
I'm inclined to think that they'll be found incompetent to stand trial and will be remanded to hospitals for the criminally insane, and we won't ever hear their side of the story...if we cared to hear it.

The TV movie will portray the events from the point of view of the parents. There are also book deals in the works. If this were my daughter, there would be no book deals, there would be no tv movie, there would be no further exploitation of my child if I could prevent it. Yes, I think the Smart family is exploiting Elizabeth, and I think it's just plain wrong.

[nightwind]

I have a sneaky suspicion in this case, that the reason that Elizabeth Smart did not try to escape, say anything, etc., is that she has been taught to be very submissive all of her life. I just get that impression.

[jj]

Originally posted by JAR
Where I live, I have to say that Americans are pretty stupid. Book reading where I live is rare. If you're a young person reading a book, a common question you will be asked by other young people is if you are reading it for school.

Really? I just got a request from our 13 year old to get her another bookcase, her first one is full. The 10 year old already has two.

Of course, mom and dad have 'n', for large 'n'... I refuse to count.

Around here, believe it or not, Borders is a popular place to hang out.

[American]

Originally posted by nightwind
I have a sneaky suspicion in this case, that the reason that Elizabeth Smart did not try to escape, say anything, etc., is that she has been taught to be very submissive all of her life. I just get that impression.

Well said.

Prepare yourself, buddy, you're about to get deluged with criticism for what you just said. (Take it from me!)

[hgc]

Originally posted by nightwind
I have a sneaky suspicion in this case, that the reason that Elizabeth Smart did not try to escape, say anything, etc., is that she has been taught to be very submissive all of her life. I just get that impression. That's highly speculative, but I think it's within the realm of possibility that it contributed to her behavior.

[Ipecac]

Originally posted by American
Well said.

Prepare yourself, buddy, you're about to get deluged with criticism for what you just said. (Take it from me!)

You've missed the point. Let me translate nightwind's comment into American. Had nightwind said:

"I 'll bet that the reason that slut Elizabeth Smart did not try to escape, say anything, etc., is that the b*tch has been taught to be very submissive all of her life."

He would be deluged with criticism. As it is, I may or may not agree with him, but I won't criticize him for saying it.

[c0rbin]

Reviving Ophelia by Mary Pipher is a pretty good insight into the adolescent/teen girl mind, though not in the way Ghengis Pron would be interested in.