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MINISTERofTRUTH

5th July 2007, 02:10 AM

What is the point.

In all the forums that I have visited, the basic response becomes a claim that I am doing nothing but spamming.

Yes I have a web site.

It is a web site written to expose the facts. I put everything I know of into it for the sole purpose of saving millions of innocent lives.

And I say to you, WHO THE HELL CARES !

I am serious. I have discovered that I have yet to find one person who cares about anyone other than themselves. After all, I am trying to save lives, millions of lives, and as soon as I say that in itself, the BLOODY TOPIC IS BLOODY WELL CHANGED IN A BLOODY SECOND by readers, and so the entire purpose behind my actions DOESN'T MEAN JACK SH_T to anyone at all.

All I can say is that what is going on in the background is whole lot worse than the German Holocaust. Those who are at the centre of it all, would gladly take the place of thousands upon thousands of those who died in the prison camps, rather than experience what they are presently experiencing.

But in the minds of the many, as long a the war is not in their back yard, then it is of no concern to them, as long as it is not they who are being chopped to pieces with machetes, then it is of no concern to them.

I could say read the web site, but then here again my intent of saving millions of lives is denied, via anti-spamming.

You have to understand, that today the importance of anti-spamming is infinitely more important than the lives of millions upon millions of innocent people. If you think not, then I challenge you to prove me wrong. Please do so if you think you can.

After all, Anti-Spamming comes first as priority. What more need I say !

You may say write a book or something, or perhaps send info to news papers.

Well lets just say that forums was my last hope. In other words, all other roots were already attempted. So who stopped any success you might ask ?

Well, I speak nothing but truths, and so when I say the following it is annoying to say the least to hear people do nothing but argue against what I say, or simply not believe the truth.

Here it is. For the first year that the web site was active, while also being compatible with all typical computers, PC, Apple, Sun, etc., and all browsers and operating systems, not one person visited the web site for that first complete year. All search engine robots( they check web sites for updates ), and myself, had no problem accessing the web site. If one searched the INTERNET with search keywords that are related to my web site topic, my web site appeared in the 1 - 10 position on all major search engines.

The other web sites in that 1 - 10 position were visited from 35,000 to over 250,000 times a year. In other words my magic web site was always avoided, and thus was not visited once.

This is the result of those within the Holistic plane of reality at work. The first person that they allowed to visit my web site, went by the first name of JESUS. His last name is Men__za, plus the two missing letters. He sent an E-mail shortly afterwards which is how I got his name. But the fact that the first visitor had the name JESUS, was a sick joke being played by those on the Holistic side of reality, the Holistic plane.

It is those on the Holistic side of reality that have prevented all methods that I have used so far to expose the truth, from having any success or hope at all.

Face it, there is no chance at all for truth to be exposed. The deceivers have won. Deceit rules, and thanks to the permanent burial of truths, EVIL RULES !

That is just the way it is !

Anacoluthon64

5th July 2007, 02:21 AM

Shouldn't this be in "Conspiracy Theories," if not a rubber cell?

'Luthon64

Hokulele

5th July 2007, 02:26 AM

MoT, here is the problem. You come sailing into this forum, knowing little or nothing about the people posting here, and promptly begin trying to drum up business for your website. That is the definition of spamming.

In addition, you claim to know the truth, but your posts regarding relativity are full of errors that people who have either taken college level physics or have even read general science books can spot. If you want people to take your posts seriously, do not include so many obvious errors, and do not insult those you are trying to reach.

slingblade

5th July 2007, 02:29 AM

You know, I really do understand your frustration, and I do get the notion that you sincerely believe you have something important to get across to people.

Can you not, possibly, understand you've probably picked the wrong place to say it?

Just a thought.

Marquis de Carabas

5th July 2007, 02:33 AM

You have to understand, that today the importance of anti-spamming is infinitely more important than the lives of millions upon millions of innocent people. If you think not, then I challenge you to prove me wrong. Please do so if you think you can.
I'll do you one better. I will provide for you a method by which you can prove yourself right.

1. Spam.
2. Write down the penalties you incur as a result of step one. Be specific.
3. Kill millions and millions of innocent people.
4. Write down the penalties you incur as a result of step three. Be specific.
5. Compare the results of steps two and four. If the penalties from step two are the greater, one may reasonably conclude that spamming is indeed of greater concern to society than millions of innocent lives.

Please keep us posted.

MINISTERofTRUTH

5th July 2007, 02:40 AM

Shouldn't this be in "Conspiracy Theories," if not a rubber cell? 'Luthon64

See what I mean.

If I make a statement about this persons actions, it too will be classified as breaking the rules.

It is like someone screaming for help on the streets, and then suddenly a police officer comes along and says " Cant you bloody well READ ? This is a hospital zone, the sign says ' HOSPITAL ZONE, QUIET PLEASE ' ".

All of this was part of the Divine design to ensure that truth would be permanently buried.

There are Divine designed barriers surrounding everything, and thus access to truth is prevented, with the exception of the victimised who are then set up to appear to be delusional and psychotic, which then ensures that the truth spoken by them is not to be listened to at all.

Once again, those who respond to this post, will prove this to be the case.

MRC_Hans

5th July 2007, 02:42 AM

Here it is. For the first year that the web site was active, while also being compatible with all typical computers, PC, Apple, Sun, etc., and all browsers and operating systems, not one person visited the web site for that first complete year. All search engine robots( they check web sites for updates ), and myself, had no problem accessing the web site. If one searched the INTERNET with search keywords that are related to my web site topic, my web site appeared in the 1 - 10 position on all major search engines.

The other web sites in that 1 - 10 position were visited from 35,000 to over 250,000 times a year. In other words my magic web site was always avoided, and thus was not visited once.That is the way of the internet. A private website can exist for years, with almost no visitors. You need people to link to it, otherwise, you get no traffic.

My own website spent a couple of years with perhaps a visitor a week. Now, even though it's just a hobby website, it has a few thousand weekly unique hits.

Hans

Anacoluthon64

5th July 2007, 02:43 AM

There's a difference between crying for help and crying wolf, one that obviously escapes you. Strident denunciations do not good arguments make.

'Luthon64

MINISTERofTRUTH

5th July 2007, 02:48 AM

I'll do you one better. I will provide for you a method by which you can prove yourself right.

1. Spam.
2. Write down the penalties you incur as a result of step one. Be specific.
3. Kill millions and millions of innocent people.
4. Write down the penalties you incur as a result of step three. Be specific.
5. Compare the results of steps two and four. If the penalties from step two are the greater, one may reasonably conclude that spamming is indeed of greater concern to society than millions of innocent lives.

Please keep us posted.

The death of millions and millions of innocent people has already occurred. This process is still on the go. If news about it is then rejected as spamming, and it has been, then the Anti-spamming wins, and it has.

But, once again, the true topic at hand has been avoided, thus another successful barrier between you and truth wins again.

Marquis de Carabas

5th July 2007, 02:54 AM

The death of millions and millions of innocent people has already occurred.
Ah, good. No use crying over spilt milk, then.

Zep

5th July 2007, 03:27 AM

Please tell us what the "holistic plane" is.

And no, I'm not going to make jokes about aircraft.

MINISTERofTRUTH

5th July 2007, 03:29 AM

That is the way of the INTERNET. A private website can exist for years, with almost no visitors. You need people to link to it, otherwise, you get no traffic.

My own website spent a couple of years with perhaps a visitor a week. Now, even though it's just a hobby website, it has a few thousand weekly unique hits.

Hans

Yes, one could just miss the bus at the station as well. Therefore it is just something that can happen to anyone.

However, if a person just misses every bus at every stop, at every corner, year after year after year, then something seems to be out of the norm.

But to the average Joe blow who of course jumps to conclusions and does so very quickly, each of one of these cases of missing the bus when viewed individually, is no different than the times he has experienced this himself.

Thus to him, norm = norm.

However, also to him, ( norm x 500 ) for example, does NOT = norm. This is insane. If this SO CALLED " norm " occurs 500 times in a row, then obviously there is nothing normal about each of them individually either, otherwise the vast accumulation would not have occurred at all.

Those on the Holistic side take advantage of this shallow thinking of mankind, and do so endlessly. As long as something fits into the minds of the many as something that could happen to anyone, then those on the Holistic side will tend to repeat it over and over and over and over again when toying with those they have chosen to victimise.

Joe blow then hears of these massive number of repetitions as they are reported to him by the victim, and his response is that the person is a nut-case because such multiple occurrences are just not possible.

And so there are two situations here that those on the Holistic side take advantage of.

Therefore, as long as we continue to to look at petty individual components of which the big picture is composed of, then the big picture is basically nonexistent in the minds of the majority.

Instead, we just keep on going in circles, around and around and around and...... while the BLOODY BASTARDS continue to completely destroy the lives of innocent people.

MINISTERofTRUTH

5th July 2007, 03:34 AM

Ah, good. No use crying over spilt milk, then.

If a bomb was located just next to you, and you were chained to a heavy bolt in the ground cement, thus keeping you next to the bomb, you would probably listen to me if I told you that I could help you.

But, when it comes to the trouble being the lives of millions of OTHERS rather than you, you don't behave the same in the same manner !

Marquis de Carabas

5th July 2007, 03:43 AM

MINISTERofTRUTH

5th July 2007, 04:05 AM

Please tell us what the "holistic plane" is.

And no, I'm not going to make jokes about aircraft.

The seed of creation is relativity. In our plane of reality everything is relative. This plane of reality is also confined to the present time such that as time ticks one point in time can be related to another.

The relativistic plane of reality must then relate to another. It is related to the Holistic plane of reality. The Holistic plane of reality is at a 90 degree angle relative to the Relativistic plane of reality. The Holistic plane of reality extends across ALL time rather than being confined to the present.

Events occur at the point of the intersection of these two planes of reality. Thus, events can be governed from either of the two planes.

If one performs the famous two slit light experiment, and just looks at the outcome of such an experiment, then one will see a wave like interference pattern at the destination wall. In this case the entire outcome becomes the result of a single Holistic Event.

If the experiment lasted 10 seconds, then it is to be noted that the entire 10 seconds are seen all at once from the Holistic point of view, since the Holistic plane of reality extends across the dimension of Time.

With this being the case, the entire path of each Photon, from its source to its destination, is seen all at once. Photons spin, and because of this spin, they cross space in a corkscrew like shaped path. With this corkscrew shaped path taken into account, and the fact the the entire path is seen from the Holistic point of view, these photons interfere with each other as interference of complete corkscrew paths, rather than as particles that exist at one place in space at one point in Time. The wave like pattern at the destination wall, is the result of these complete corkscrew like shapes interfering with each other.

If, however, we monitor the two slits to detect any photons passing through them, then each of these detections becomes a real time Relativistic Event.

Because of these Relativistic Events having taken place, the chance of the once possible singular Holistic event has been replaced by these Relativistic Events. In other words, events occur, and it is going to one kind of event, or else it will be the other.

Since the Holistic Event will now not be allowed to occur, the photons will now be confined to interfering with each other as mere particles rather than as complete corkscrew shaped paths interfering with each other. Thus the interference pattern at the destination wall suddenly collapses. This is presently poorly titled as the collapse of the quantum wave.

And so, those present on the Holistic side of reality, have a huge advantage of being able to look across time. They can also initiate events from their side, and to us the event may seem miraculous since we see only the effect, and not the cause.

Thus if those on the other side toy with the minds of 1% of the population, and it is not done in a positive manner, which it is not at all, this is perceived by the rest of mankind as nothing but the victim having experienced a delusion and or hallucination.

VanillaCone

5th July 2007, 04:30 AM

Yes, one could just miss the bus at the station as well. Therefore it is just something that can happen to anyone.

However, if a person just misses every bus at every stop, at every corner, year after year after year, then something seems to be out of the norm.

Not sure why I'm bothering here, but as someone who occasionally writes content for Web sites, I must point out that you also have a responsibility to make your Web site readable in order to draw/sustain people's interest. I went to your site the first time I saw your posted link, but there is WAY too much text, much of it repetitive, and there's no obvious point or conclusion. You make a lot of outrageous claims and fail to back them up, at least not in the first 2,000 words or so, which is about as far as I made it before giving up.

I make the following statement with the utmost sincerity and the best of intentions: It is written in such a manner that it comes across as the ravings of a lunatic. You need to pare down the volume of text significantly, take out the repetition, tone down the hyperbole, explain what proof you have to substantiate your claims, and very high up -- like in the first sentence -- tell the readers very clearly and concisely what the whole thing is all about. Until you do so, I doubt it will matter how many people visit your site, because they won't stick around long enough to understand what you are trying to tell them.

And just to reiterate: That will not be their fault. It will be your fault.

Mashuna

5th July 2007, 05:01 AM

The seed of creation is relativity. In our plane of reality everything is relative. This plane of reality is also confined to the present time such that as time ticks one point in time can be related to another.

The relativistic plane of reality must then relate to another. It is related to the Holistic plane of reality. The Holistic plane of reality is at a 90 degree angle relative to the Relativistic plane of reality. The Holistic plane of reality extends across ALL time rather than being confined to the present.

Events occur at the point of the intersection of these two planes of reality. Thus, events can be governed from either of the two planes.

If one performs the famous two slit light experiment, and just looks at the outcome of such an experiment, then one will see a wave like interference pattern at the destination wall. In this case the entire outcome becomes the result of a single Holistic Event.

If the experiment lasted 10 seconds, then it is to be noted that the entire 10 seconds are seen all at once from the Holistic point of view, since the Holistic plane of reality extends across the dimension of Time.

With this being the case, the entire path of each Photon, from its source to its destination, is seen all at once. Photons spin, and because of this spin, they cross space in a corkscrew like shaped path. With this corkscrew shaped path taken into account, and the fact the the entire path is seen from the Holistic point of view, these photons interfere with each other as interference of complete corkscrew paths, rather than as particles that exist at one place in space at one point in Time. The wave like pattern at the destination wall, is the result of these complete corkscrew like shapes interfering with each other.

If, however, we monitor the two slits to detect any photons passing through them, then each of these detections becomes a real time Relativistic Event.

Because of these Relativistic Events having taken place, the chance of the once possible singular Holistic event has been replaced by these Relativistic Events. In other words, events occur, and it is going to one kind of event, or else it will be the other.

Since the Holistic Event will now not be allowed to occur, the photons will now be confined to interfering with each other as mere particles rather than as complete corkscrew shaped paths interfering with each other. Thus the interference pattern at the destination wall suddenly collapses. This is presently poorly titled as the collapse of the quantum wave.

And so, those present on the Holistic side of reality, have a huge advantage of being able to look across time. They can also initiate events from their side, and to us the event may seem miraculous since we see only the effect, and not the cause.

Thus if those on the other side toy with the minds of 1% of the population, and it is not done in a positive manner, which it is not at all, this is perceived by the rest of mankind as nothing but the victim having experienced a delusion and or hallucination.

I think people on the Holistic plane must have messed with your post, so it came out as gibberish :confused:

Zep

5th July 2007, 05:08 AM

The seed of creation is relativity. In our plane of reality everything is relative. This plane of reality is also confined to the present time such that as time ticks one point in time can be related to another.

The relativistic plane of reality must then relate to another. It is related to the Holistic plane of reality. The Holistic plane of reality is at a 90 degree angle relative to the Relativistic plane of reality. The Holistic plane of reality extends across ALL time rather than being confined to the present.

Events occur at the point of the intersection of these two planes of reality. Thus, events can be governed from either of the two planes.

If one performs the famous two slit light experiment, and just looks at the outcome of such an experiment, then one will see a wave like interference pattern at the destination wall. In this case the entire outcome becomes the result of a single Holistic Event.

If the experiment lasted 10 seconds, then it is to be noted that the entire 10 seconds are seen all at once from the Holistic point of view, since the Holistic plane of reality extends across the dimension of Time.

With this being the case, the entire path of each Photon, from its source to its destination, is seen all at once. Photons spin, and because of this spin, they cross space in a corkscrew like shaped path. With this corkscrew shaped path taken into account, and the fact the the entire path is seen from the Holistic point of view, these photons interfere with each other as interference of complete corkscrew paths, rather than as particles that exist at one place in space at one point in Time. The wave like pattern at the destination wall, is the result of these complete corkscrew like shapes interfering with each other.

If, however, we monitor the two slits to detect any photons passing through them, then each of these detections becomes a real time Relativistic Event.

Because of these Relativistic Events having taken place, the chance of the once possible singular Holistic event has been replaced by these Relativistic Events. In other words, events occur, and it is going to one kind of event, or else it will be the other.

Since the Holistic Event will now not be allowed to occur, the photons will now be confined to interfering with each other as mere particles rather than as complete corkscrew shaped paths interfering with each other. Thus the interference pattern at the destination wall suddenly collapses. This is presently poorly titled as the collapse of the quantum wave.

And so, those present on the Holistic side of reality, have a huge advantage of being able to look across time. They can also initiate events from their side, and to us the event may seem miraculous since we see only the effect, and not the cause.

Thus if those on the other side toy with the minds of 1% of the population, and it is not done in a positive manner, which it is not at all, this is perceived by the rest of mankind as nothing but the victim having experienced a delusion and or hallucination.

I'm sure that's great but could you please tell us what the "holistic plane" is, please.

MINISTERofTRUTH

5th July 2007, 05:11 AM

Not sure why I'm bothering here, but as someone who occasionally writes content for Web sites, I must point out that you also have a responsibility to make your Web site readable in order to draw/sustain people's interest. I went to your site the first time I saw your posted link, but there is WAY too much text, much of it repetitive, and there's no obvious point or conclusion. You make a lot of outrageous claims and fail to back them up, at least not in the first 2,000 words or so, which is about as far as I made it before giving up.

I make the following statement with the utmost sincerity and the best of intentions: It is written in such a manner that it comes across as the ravings of a lunatic. You need to pare down the volume of text significantly, take out the repetition, tone down the hyperbole, explain what proof you have to back up your claims, and very high up -- like in the first sentence -- tell the readers very clearly and concisely what the whole thing is all about. Until you do so, I doubt it will matter how many people visit your site, because they won't stick around long enough to understand what you are trying to tell them.

And just to reiterate: That will not be their fault. It will be your fault.

YES, any moron would have been able to reduce the range of the text.

This is true if you are NOT being put through a living bloody hell to prevent you from doing so, and done so such that responses to the web site will be as yours has been.

The hell that I was put through at that time, had led to the skin on my stomach then having the appearance of being loose wrinkled skin of someone who is well over 110 years of age. That in combination of loss of hair on one side of my head, loss of most of the muscle on my newly pin like legs, and the loose skin below my eyes that left the lower eyelids hanging a distance of about 1/4 inch below the eyes. All this while I was 43 years old.

It took 3 years to get my appearance back to almost normal after that. Naturally I did not try to reduce the text to a smaller scale ever again.

My opponents then laughed once again, saying that no one will read the entire site. They stated that the attention span of man is less than that which is required to expose a person the the truth of the situation, and that is clearly the case.

In other words my friend, the obvious is bloody obvious. There is a reason for everything.

Before I was exposed to those on the holistic side of reality, I too used to think of there being some kind of higher power that was above and beyond us, thus even better than us. As the result of that, I was stunned to find out that in truth they were infinitely worse than Adolf Hitler.

If the axis of ones mind is focused towards truth, then it becomes possible to tap into the holistic plane of reality, since it too is part of the complete reality, the complete truth.

If however, you think of a God character and focus the mind towards holiness and godliness, you don't seem to end up in contact with those on the other holistic side. Well, that's because they are as bloody brutal as possibly can be. Thus the religious minded person is actually looking in the opposite direction, which is why contact is not made.

And so, my efforts to make the web site more readable, are no less than what would be required to climb Mount Everest many many many times over. Those who have seen my physical appearance when at its worst, would not disagree with that statement at all.

MINISTERofTRUTH

5th July 2007, 05:15 AM

MINISTERofTRUTH

5th July 2007, 05:33 AM

I'm sure that's great but could you please tell us what the "holistic plane" is, please.

Yes Zep, the holistic plane of reality is that which is obviously beyond your comprehension.

Zep

5th July 2007, 05:44 AM

Yes Zep, the holistic plane of reality is that which is obviously beyond your comprehension.So far it seems to be only beyond your ability to define or describe. My comprehension is just fine, thanks, and I'm waiting for some decent input. Or to put it more succinctly: DOES NOT COMPUTE.

Now, are you going to try to do this properly? Or shall we just accept that this is simply random train-off-the-rails-thought output from you.

Mrs. Hmmphries

5th July 2007, 05:47 AM

<snip>

The other web sites in that 1 - 10 position were visited from 35,000 to over 250,000 times a year. In other words my magic web site was always avoided, and thus was not visited once.

<snip>

Wait...you have a magic website?!

MINISTERofTRUTH

5th July 2007, 05:48 AM

It's my belief, and that of einstein, that holograms (or holographic constructs) can prove by numerology that planes of existence (or a relative to them) cause schizophrenia to be mistaken for the truth. :eye-poppi

Can I go home now?

Is that Gord_in_Toronto, or Gord_in_GTA ?

MINISTERofTRUTH

5th July 2007, 05:55 AM

Wait...you have a magic website?!

I see your life is fine and dandy. No need to see the full scope of things under such conditions. I kind of miss that myself.

Tricky

5th July 2007, 05:58 AM

The seed of creation is relativity. In our plane of reality everything is relative. This plane of reality is also confined to the present time such that as time ticks one point in time can be related to another.
<snip>

Shouldn't this be in all caps? Maybe a nice red font?

IF ALL OTHER PLACES HAVE NOT WORKED, THEN ONE MOVES OVER TO WHAT IS LEFT.

Ah. Better.

VanillaCone

5th July 2007, 05:58 AM

Is that Gord_in_Toronto, or Gord_in_GTA ?

Like as in Grand Theft Auto?

Dancing David

5th July 2007, 06:02 AM

Yes Zep, the holistic plane of reality is that which is obviously beyond your comprehension.

What tests can we do to determine the nature of the holistic plane? I can't do the two slit experiment at home.

What are the current condition that you say are killing millions of people? Do you mean hunger and disease?

VanillaCone

5th July 2007, 06:20 AM

YES, any moron would have been able to reduce the range of the text.

This is true if you are NOT being put through a living bloody hell to prevent you from doing so, and done so such that responses to the web site will be as yours has been.

The hell that I was put through at that time, had led to the skin on my stomach then having the appearance of being loose wrinkled skin of someone who is well over 110 years of age. That in combination of loss of hair on one side of my head, loss of most of the muscle on my newly pin like legs, and the loose skin below my eyes that left the lower eyelids hanging a distance of about 1/4 inch below the eyes. All this while I was 43 years old.

It took 3 years to get my appearance back to almost normal after that. Naturally I did not try to reduce the text to a smaller scale ever again.

My opponents then laughed once again, saying that no one will read the entire site. They stated that the attention span of man is less than that which is required to expose a person the the truth of the situation, and that is clearly the case.

In other words my friend, the obvious is bloody obvious. There is a reason for everything.

Before I was exposed to those on the holistic side of reality, I too used to think of there being some kind of higher power that was above and beyond us, thus even better than us. As the result of that, I was stunned to find out that in truth they were infinitely worse than Adolf Hitler.

If the axis of ones mind is focused towards truth, then it becomes possible to tap into the holistic plane of reality, since it too is part of the complete reality, the complete truth.

If however, you think of a God character and focus the mind towards holiness and godliness, you don't seem to end up in contact with those on the other holistic side. Well, that's because they are as bloody brutal as possibly can be. Thus the religious minded person is actually looking in the opposite direction, which is why contact is not made.

And so, my efforts to make the web site more readable, are no less than what would be required to climb Mount Everest many many many times over. Those who have seen my physical appearance when at its worst, would not disagree with that statement at all.

Having now read your response to my earlier post, it is my honest belief that you are in need of some medical assistance. You may not think it would benefit you, but I can tell you from personal experience that there are medications available now that could help you regain clarity of mind without harming you or dulling your senses. Several of my relatives suffer as you do, some of whom have accepted medical help, and others who have not. The ones who sought help have gone on to lead much happier lives.

I urge you to consider seeing a medical professional, because I now understand you suffer from a real and serious problem that very likely could be helped. I will not be writing any more sarcastic responses to your posts, out of respect for those I know who have suffered as I believe you do. I wish you the best of luck.

VC

Zep

5th July 2007, 06:37 AM

Having now read your response to my earlier post, it is my honest belief that you are in need of some medical assistance. You may not think it would benefit you, but I can tell you from personal experience that there are medications available now that could help you regain clarity of mind without harming you or dulling your senses. Several of my relatives suffer as you do, some of whom have accepted medical help, and others who have not. The ones who sought help have gone on to lead much happier lives.

I urge you to consider seeing a medical professional, because I now understand you suffer from a real and serious problem that very likely could be helped. I will not be writing any more sarcastic responses to your posts, out of respect for those I know who have suffered as I believe you do. I wish you the best of luck.

VCIf that's the case with him, it explains a lot.

D'rok

5th July 2007, 06:39 AM

-snip-

The hell that I was put through at that time, had led to the skin on my stomach then having the appearance of being loose wrinkled skin of someone who is well over 110 years of age. That in combination of loss of hair on one side of my head, loss of most of the muscle on my newly pin like legs, and the loose skin below my eyes that left the lower eyelids hanging a distance of about 1/4 inch below the eyes. All this while I was 43 years old.

-snip-

And so, my efforts to make the web site more readable, are no less than what would be required to climb Mount Everest many many many times over. Those who have seen my physical appearance when at its worst, would not disagree with that statement at all.

OK, this thread was lurk-tastically amusing up until this bit. This person has some very, very serious mental health problems. (None of which are directly related to changing text sizes on websites). Sometimes the Internet makes me sad.

ETA: Oops. VanillaCone said it first and better.

Loss Leader

5th July 2007, 06:52 AM

And so, my efforts to make the web site more readable, are no less than what would be required to climb Mount Everest many many many times over. Those who have seen my physical appearance when at its worst, would not disagree with that statement at all.

MoT, I have earnestly attempted to read your website. After four pages of text (not including a picture of Jesus' face), I remain as confused as I was when I began. I cannot read any more because it does not appear that things become more comprehensible. You have utterly failed to impress upon me whatever point it is that you have.

Please answer these questions as directly and succinctly as possible:

1. What exactly has caused the death of millions and millions of innocent people?

2. Why and how exactly have these millions and millions of innocent people died?

3. What is the outcome if we do not intervene?

4. How can we intervene in a meaningful way?

5. What is the outcome if we do intervene?

Please do not tell me that it's pointless to answer because I will not listen. I promise that I will listen. Please do not tell me how you will suffer physically if you answer my questions directly. I will view that as a poor excuse to avoid actually coming to a conclusion. Please do not tell me how you know this information. I don't care how you came to these conclusions. And please don't tell me I have to read your entire website to find this out. I will not do so under any circumstance.

I look forward to hearing your conclusions.

And only your conclusions.

Mrs. Hmmphries

5th July 2007, 08:06 AM

I see your life is fine and dandy. No need to see the full scope of things under such conditions. I kind of miss that myself.

I have to say, I haven't read your website, as I'd never noticed you at all until I stumbled on this thread. I feel confident in assuming reading your website would clear up little, though. Obviously I cannot see the full scope of whatever it is you are going on about, because you have not actually stated what it is. I'm actually quite interested, though.

Gord_in_Toronto

5th July 2007, 08:35 AM

Is that Gord_in_Toronto, or Gord_in_GTA ?

Montréal actually. Do you have a Porter Air ticket for me so I can go home? :confused:

slyjoe

5th July 2007, 09:41 AM

What tests can we do to determine the nature of the holistic plane? I can't do the two slit experiment at home.

...snip

Aah, but you can :)

http://sciam.com/print_version.cfm?articleID=DD39218F-E7F2-99DF-39D45DA3DD2602A1

slingblade

5th July 2007, 09:42 AM

IF ALL OTHER PLACES HAVE NOT WORKED, THEN ONE MOVES OVER TO WHAT IS LEFT.

You have not been to all other places yet, I'll wager.

But I'll offer this for your consideration:

If all the other places haven't "worked," and if the constant has always been your message, you must examine the probability that the problem is not all the other places, but the message.

And I've no idea why you felt it necessary to respond to my civil message in all caps, screaming at me, but your reaction to my civility has been duly noted.

Dancing David

5th July 2007, 11:44 AM

Aah, but you can :)

http://sciam.com/print_version.cfm?articleID=DD39218F-E7F2-99DF-39D45DA3DD2602A1

:cool:

slyjoe

5th July 2007, 12:20 PM

Actually, this link has the actual experiment:

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&colID=1&articleID=DD39218F-E7F2-99DF-39D45DA3DD2602A1

MINISTERofTRUTH

5th July 2007, 03:19 PM

What tests can we do to determine the nature of the holistic plane? I can't do the two slit experiment at home.

What are the current condition that you say are killing millions of people? Do you mean hunger and disease?

Take the importance of millions of other peoples lives seriously, and if you can't, then those on the Holistic side have got you under their thumb. That is a simple test.

The killer is that which is labelled as Schizophrenia. 40 % of these victims attempt suicide, and 10 % succeed.

99 % of the population can't think independently, and so this is why they feel that there is no justifiable reason to think beyond what others within that 99 % tell them to simply BELIEVE. In short, they question nothing, with the exception of questioning anything that lies outside of their primitive belief systems. They basically reject anything that lies outside of their belief systems, and of course TRUTH lies outside of the capacity of belief systems, and so it is truth that they insist upon rejecting.

http://www.outersecrets.com/real/image/forum/truths.gif

A belief is an action taken while being exposed to less than the truth, hence it must remain under the title " Belief ".

The simple way to determine if a person can think independently, is see whether or not the person uses this primitive mental function known as Believe / Disbelieve. If they do use it, then they are just one of the crowd.

Because of this form of general behaviour, 99 % of the population " believes " that 1 % of the population are delusional and are experiencing hallucinations.

Arthur Schopenhauer's statement kind of makes it clear just how foolishly people reject truths. But at least there has been one other person other than myself who sees truths directly rather than after decades or more of opposition against them.

MINISTERofTRUTH

5th July 2007, 03:43 PM

Actually, this link has the actual experiment:

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&colID=1&articleID=DD39218F-E7F2-99DF-39D45DA3DD2602A1

Yes, even today's physicists think of Time as simply the present time, rather than seeing it as an open dimension just like space is an open dimension.

We actually do have an open Space-Time environment in which we constantly are in motion within. In other words there is the open depth of the time dimension, and we simply move across it.

But like I said, Events can be governed from the Holistic side which includes this complete depth of the Time dimension, thus allowing circumstances within much depth of Time from our point of view to have been taken into account to determine the outcome of the Holistic Event.

Meanwhile, the physicists of today are still thinking three dimensionally. And so when it comes down to experiments like the two slit experiment, they come up with a three dimensional explanation of a four dimensional event.

This results in insane explanations such a saying that a Photon goes through both slits at the same time.

The two slit experiment can also be done with electrons. One could fire electrons one at a time and one second apart, such that only one electron is in motion at a time, but still over time a count of quantity hits at different points at the destination wall will reveal an interference pattern.

This test could take days to complete, but from the Holistic plane of reality, all of those days are seen simultaneously, and thus all the electrons paths interfere with each other when this is left to being a Holistic Event.

D'rok

5th July 2007, 03:51 PM

Take the importance of millions of other peoples lives seriously, and if you can't, then those on the Holistic side have got you under their thumb. That is a simple test.

The killer is that which is labelled as Schizophrenia. 40 % of these victims attempt suicide, and 10 % succeed.

99 % of the population can't think independently, and so this is why they feel that there is no justifiable reason to think beyond what others within that 99 % tell them to simply BELIEVE. In short, they question nothing, with the exception of questioning anything that lies outside of their primitive belief systems. They basically reject anything that lies outside of their belief systems, and of course TRUTH lies outside of the capacity of belief systems, and so it is truth that they insist upon rejecting.

http://www.outersecrets.com/real/image/forum/truths.gif

A belief is an action taken while being exposed to less than the truth, hence it must remain under the title " Belief ".

The simple way to determine if a person can think independently, is see whether or not the person uses this primitive mental function known as Believe / Disbelieve. If they do use it, then they are just one of the crowd.

Because of this form of general behaviour, 99 % of the population " believes " that 1 % of the population are delusional and are experiencing hallucinations.

Arthur Schopenhauer's statement kind of makes it clear just how foolishly people reject truths. But at least there has been one other person other than myself who sees truths directly rather than after decades or more of opposition against them.

MoT, I take it that your "truths" are revealed to you by "Voices" in your head?

These " Voices " can be very informative. For instance, all the code info on one particular web site page, was exposed via " Voices "
http://www.intervoiceonline.org/2007/5/3/hearing-voices-doesn-t-mean-you-re-mentally-ill-icwales-may-2-2007

Hokulele

5th July 2007, 03:59 PM

Yes, even today's physicists think of Time as simply the present time, rather than seeing it as an open dimension just like space is an open dimension.

Wrong.

Stick with discussing schizophrenia and leave the mangled physics out of it.

MINISTERofTRUTH

5th July 2007, 04:11 PM

MoT, I take it that your "truths" are revealed to you by "Voices" in your head?

http://www.intervoiceonline.org/2007/5/3/hearing-voices-doesn-t-mean-you-re-mentally-ill-icwales-may-2-2007

Accept it or not, 20 dollar bills have been found that are counterfeit bills. However, this does not mean that all 20 dollar bills are counterfeit.

If you wish to focus upon one thing alone, such as only the counterfeit 20 dollar bills, then you overall opinion will obviously be flawed.

Concerning truths, I simply have an open mind that does not not believe but chooses to search for truths instead. This was why I was able to see the peculiarity concerning motion. My analysis of it eventually led me to thinking four dimensionally and I converted these understandings into equations which turn out to be equations that are identical to those known today as ...

1 ) The Lorentz-Fitzgerald Contraction Equation.
2 ) The Time Dilation Equation.
3 ) The Lorentz Transformation Equations.
4 ) The Velocity addition Equation.

Physicists, not thinking 4 dimensionally , end up with an explanation know as Special Relativity that is used to explain the outcome of tests that lead to these very same equations as part of the explanation.

See http://www.outersecrets.com/real/forum_againstum2.htm for a brief look at the four dimensional view of reality.

D'rok

5th July 2007, 04:21 PM

Accept it or not, 20 dollar bills have been found that are counterfeit bills. However, this does not mean that all 20 dollar bills are counterfeit.

If you wish to focus upon one thing alone, such as only the counterfeit 20 dollar bills, then you overall opinion will obviously be flawed.

Concerning truths, I simply have an open mind that does not not believe but chooses to search for truths instead. This was why I was able to see the peculiarity concerning motion. My analysis of it eventually led me to thinking four dimensionally and I converted these understandings into equations which turn out to be equations that are identical to those known today as ...

1 ) The Lorentz-Fitzgerald Contraction Equation.
2 ) The Time Dilation Equation.
3 ) The Lorentz Transformation Equations.
4 ) The Velocity addition Equation.

Physicists, not thinking 4 dimensionally , end up with an explanation know as Special Relativity that is used to explain the outcome of tests that lead to these very same equations as part of the explanation.

See http://www.outersecrets.com/real/forum_againstum2.htm for a brief look at the four dimensional view of reality.

Voices in head: check
Delusions of grandeur: check

'nuff said.

MINISTERofTRUTH

5th July 2007, 04:23 PM

Wrong.

Stick with discussing schizophrenia and leave the mangled physics out of it.

What they do with equations is one thing.

What they think, is another.

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The post response requesting leaving something out of view, is a fine example of truth rejection. The subject at hand concerns the complete big picture. Dismiss anything at all, and the goal of seeing that picture can can not be reached. This person is therefore under the thumb of control, and will be absolutely certain that this is not the case at all, meaning that this person is under the thumb of control. When under control, the mind displays no openness at all !

Tanstaafl

5th July 2007, 04:26 PM

Voices in head: check
Delusions of grandeur: check

'nuff said.

I think it's a little early to dismiss the "Just yanking our chains" hypothesis.

MINISTERofTRUTH

5th July 2007, 04:34 PM

Voices in head: check
Delusions of grandeur: check

'nuff said.

Can any mind be any more closed than this one is ?

It does make me laugh though.

I mean think about it, I have no educational background in Physics at all, due to my parents pulling me out of school while I was in Grade Ten, due to me not thinking in the same manner as the majority, yet by just thinking about motion in my spare time I eventually produced the 1 ) The Lorentz-Fitzgerald Contraction Equation, 2 ) The Time Dilation Equation, 3 ) The Lorentz Transformation Equations, and 4 ) The Velocity addition Equation, thanks to figuring out the structure of reality on my own.

Naturally to ding bat here, one who has those smarts, is clearly a delusional lunatic.

Hokulele

5th July 2007, 04:37 PM

What they do with equations is one thing.

What they think, is another.

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The post response requesting leaving something out of view, is a fine example of truth rejection. The subject at hand concerns the complete big picture. Dismiss anything at all, and the goal of seeing that picture can can not be reached. This person is therefore under the thumb of control, and will be absolutely certain that this is not the case at all, meaning that this person is under the thumb of control. When under control, the mind displays no openness at all !

And considering you do not understand the equations you are quoting, you may want to start from square one on the thinking side.

This edit of yours is also completely wrong. Certainty has more to do with verifying results, double-checking calculations, and performing experiments for myself to see if my thoughts match with reality. Your thoughts do not match up with reality, and therefor should be dismissed.

As several other people on this thread have suggested, you really should seek some professional help.

D'rok

5th July 2007, 04:38 PM

Can any mind be any more closed than this one is ?

Yup. One that considers itself the lone voice of truth in a wilderness of fools. We're all wrong; you alone are right. We all merely believe; you alone know. You define closed-mindedness. However, there is medication for your condition.

Loss Leader

5th July 2007, 04:39 PM

MoT, I posted some questions before which you just ignored. I'd like to understand what you're saying. If you actually want people to comprehend your points, I don't think it's too much for you to please answer my questions as directly as possible.

1. What exactly has caused the death of millions and millions of innocent people? If the answer is schizophrenia, what exactly has caused the schizophrenia?

2. Why and how exactly have these millions and millions of innocent people died?

3. What is the outcome if we do not intervene?

4. How can we intervene in a meaningful way?

5. What is the outcome if we do intervene?

Please do your best to answer. I want to understand but you are not making it easy.

MINISTERofTRUTH

5th July 2007, 04:59 PM

Thanks Hokulele, D'rok the Lacone, and Loss Leader for providing other viewers with these fine examples of human behaviour.

Hokulele

5th July 2007, 05:07 PM

Thanks Hokulele, D'rok the Lacone, and Loss Leader for providing other viewers with these fine examples of human behaviour.

That is not very fair to Loss Leader. If you read his post, he has valid questions.

Darth Rotor

5th July 2007, 05:18 PM

Thanks Hokulele, D'rok the Lacone, and Loss Leader for providing other viewers with these fine examples of human behaviour.
Hi

On another forum I used to participate in, posters like yourself who were very rude to decent, civil posters like Loss Leader, would get the following treatment:

GTFO
STFU

That you have earned a better response than that shows the quality of some of the very decent people who participate in this forum.

If that isn't good enough for you, I recommend to you the free-for-all at Something Awful, with my most earnest blessing.

DR

Loss Leader

5th July 2007, 05:43 PM

Thanks Hokulele, D'rok the Lacone, and Loss Leader for providing other viewers with these fine examples of human behaviour.

I cannot imagine what it is you find objectionable about my questions.

You came here warning that millions of people are dying and that it can only be stopped if we listen to you. I answered by saying that I wanted to listen but could not understand what you meant. Who is dying? What is causing them to die? If it's schizophrenia, what is causing that illness? What should we do about it? How will our intervention help?

You are the one who wants us to understand you. I would think the burden is upon you to communicate your position. So far, all I know is that you are so sure you will be rejected that you don't even try to get your point across.

Please help me understand by answering my questions.

MRC_Hans

6th July 2007, 12:51 AM

MINISTERofTRUTH

6th July 2007, 02:18 AM

Have you seen the movie " The Passion of the Christ " ? The Christ character takes a whipping, does he not ?

During the last 9 years, what I have been put through is equivalent to what suffering you see in that movie, times approximately 4,500 times.

Being kept alive while being put through hell, is NOT a good thing, but it did inform me about just how friendly my opponents are. Having gained knowledge of their ways, I set one goal in front of me, and that was to get the truth into the public ear such that there will be no more victims.

As long as people continue to believe that events, such as the hell that was thrown at me, simply do not occur, this allows those on the Holistic side of reality to do what ever they want to do.

As long as the list of victims is kept to 1 % of the population, the public continues to give them the OK since words spoken by a minority are still not listened to due to mankind in general still basing their decisions upon beliefs, and thus depend upon majority votes to strengthen these beliefs such that they will be accepted as being a fact, even though they are NOT facts at all.

Anyhow, after 9 years of not one person listening to a word I say, it does become difficult to trigger in others a sign of true interest that is suffice enough to even bring the word " interest " to the conscious level in others, and then to get them to speak of it, and then amplify it. At this point I am pretty well burnt out.

Yes the nasties I have been up against do have a plan to create a new world and a new heaven. But to do so, you have to destroy the truth that held together the old world and old heaven. What was attempted was to literally divide reality as you see it, into two different realities. Some people end up in one reality, the remainder end up in the other. One world continues to improve, while the other world continues to get worse. One becomes a heaven, the other becomes a hell.

Most of the truth is destroyed, the remainder is buried. Those who are closest to the truth end up the hell. Those who have been deceived, end up in the heaven. With no truth extending from one reality to the other, there is nothing left to pull them back together again. The two realities continue to fly apart allowing the heaven to get better and better, and the hell to become worse, and do so forever onward.

As I have said before, the seed of creation is relativity. You can not have a left unless there is also such a thing known as right. Also there can not be a heaven without there also being a hell.

Those in the heavens who have therefore been deceived, think that the GOD character has used his godly powers to simply create the heavenly paradise out of nothing, when in actual fact it could not exist without the hell also existing. Also the pleasures in that heavenly Paradise can not exist without the screaming agony existing in that hell a well.

A person that religion would classify as holy and spiritual, would be a person who is true and honest to the core. But due to the burial of truths being a requirement needed to create new worlds that also remain separate, out of the old world, these holy and spiritual people who can speak of the truths, are also those who end up in the hell such that the truths are buried with them. At the same time, those in the heaven, who have therefore been deceived, think of those innocent people in hell, as guilty people, even though they are NOT.

This is not something I approve of, and for obvious reasons.

TRUTH IS TRUTH.

If exposed to less than truth one must depend upon beliefs. Stick to beliefs and you will not reach truths. Religious believers insist upon sticking to their beliefs. Thus they can not see truths due to choosing to focus upon beliefs instead.

Many others, whether they tend church or not, may not be dedicated Believers. In fact they are quite bright and focus their minds towards searching for truths. These people are also honest people. The result of all of this is that the axis of their minds points almost directly upon truths.

The second plane of reality is part of the complete reality, the complete truth.

These people therefore tap into the second plane of reality, the Holistic plane of reality. Those on the Holistic side then make fools of these people. These people were on the road to truth, but thanks to their minds now being toyed with by those on the Holistic side, it appears to the majority as though these people are on the road to insanity. Thus a barrier is construct between the majority, and the truth.

This barrier is maintained over and over by having people respond in manners such as " Voices in head: check ", " Delusions of grandeur: check ", and so on.

Granted, eternal life is part of their goal for some of mankind. But the fact that it is the pure and innocent that end up in the screaming Hell, and the fools and criminal minded, the deceivers, that end up in the Heavenly Paradise, is as bad as bad can get.

The destruction and burial of truths leads to nothing left but eternal deceit, and that leads to boundless Evil.

So as long as there are people on this planet that are so bloody stupid that they actually proceed to classify someone else in a matter of minutes as a delusional lunatic experiencing Delusions of Grandeur, then we are all SCREWED since this perfection of stupidity could be no greater !

cyborg

6th July 2007, 02:21 AM

And yet I cannot help but think you really need some therapy after wading through that religious themed diatribe.

MINISTERofTRUTH

6th July 2007, 03:46 AM

And yet I cannot help but think you really need some therapy after wading through that religious themed diatribe.

Yes it is amazing isn't it when it comes to seeing just how much this world that surrounds your directs you thinking and responding.

That is why I always thought there was something odd about myself, since I always thought independently and was always open minded.

The robotic and completely predictable behaviour of others, seemed very bizarre indeed to me. I spent years investigating this peculiar behaviour.

I remember way back when in my much younger days, at the time that I began to notice that people chose specific jobs. Out of all the vast range of jobs out there, they happen to choose one in particular. How did they do it, I would ask myself.

Or there was the time when my neighbours claimed that their particular religion was definitely the correct religion. I asked them if the choice of their specific religion was their own, and naturally they responded with an absolute yes.

But when I pointed out the fact that it seemed a little odd that this religion that they believed in sooooo much, just happened to be the same religion the their parents had chosen, they became emotionally upset. There they were, claiming to have made an independent decision, yet clearly it was NOT.

cyborg

6th July 2007, 03:50 AM

And your point would be...?

Loss Leader

6th July 2007, 05:18 AM

MoT, this is the third time I'm asking.

Are you incapable of providing answers to my questions? With all of your long posts, you have ignored my attempts to get you to simply spell out whatever it is that you think is happening and what we should do to help.

I want to understand you but if you don't answer me, I will not have enough information to conclude anything in your favor.

I reprint my questions again. Please answer them:

Who is dying? What is causing them to die? If it's schizophrenia, what is causing that illness? What should we do about it? How will our intervention help?

Dancing David

6th July 2007, 06:16 AM

Take the importance of millions of other peoples lives seriously, and if you can't, then those on the Holistic side have got you under their thumb. That is a simple test.

You should take my concern for life seriously, I volunteer in shelters and other places. I worked as an outreach case manager for ten years, a domestic violence counselor for three years and a crisis worker for a year and a half. So perhaps you make unwarranted assumptions about other people and their concern. I asked what was killing millions of people?

The killer is that which is labelled as Schizophrenia. 40 % of these victims attempt suicide, and 10 % succeed.

I am aware of that and have done as much as I could to prevent it, generally a gentle approach works best. I have talked to many people considering suicide prior to my time as a crisis worker, I feel that I was helpful. I believe that the 1% of the population that have schizophrenia are not helped enough, I believe that the 1-5% of the population that have bipolar disorder are not helped enough, I believe that the 10% of the population that have major depression are not helped enough. I believe that education, compassion and assistance would help most people.

The overall suicide rate for people with untreated schizophrenia is higher than 10%.

99 % of the population can't think independently, and so this is why they feel that there is no justifiable reason to think beyond what others within that 99 % tell them to simply BELIEVE.

that is just your assertion, there is a higher percentage of independent thinkers than that I believe, we may disagree. perhaps your request that I just believe that I am not an independent thinker is more assertion. I will ask how I can come to the same conclusions as you, does that make me a believer or a free thinker?

In short, they question nothing, with the exception of questioning anything that lies outside of their primitive belief systems.

that may be, but I question everything that I can, including my own beliefs. I am open to many belief systems.

They basically reject anything that lies outside of their belief systems, and of course TRUTH lies outside of the capacity of belief systems, and so it is truth that they insist upon rejecting.

http://www.outersecrets.com/real/image/forum/truths.gif

A belief is an action taken while being exposed to less than the truth, hence it must remain under the title " Belief ".

I would say a belief is that which is assumed to be true without evidence.

The simple way to determine if a person can think independently, is see whether or not the person uses this primitive mental function known as Believe / Disbelieve. If they do use it, then they are just one of the crowd.

And so again I will ask what you believe and then ponder the evidence.

Because of this form of general behaviour, 99 % of the population " believes " that 1 % of the population are delusional and are experiencing hallucinations.

Some are and some aren't not everyone who has beliefs outside the norm is delusional. I know that to be a fact, it is important to understand where a person comes from in their beliefs. Once that is understood they may not be judged as delusional. Open minds listen and try to understand.

The experience of hallucinations is something for the individual to decide for themselves. In my experience the people I know who have acknowledged them find it helpful when they go away. But I have known others who are content the way they are.

Arthur Schopenhauer's statement kind of makes it clear just how foolishly people reject truths. But at least there has been one other person other than myself who sees truths directly rather than after decades or more of opposition against them.

Again, I judge the beliefs on the evidence, many of my beliefs go against the common herd. So I tend to judge things on their merits.

So when you talk about the millions of deaths involving schizophrenia, what do you feel could help prevent that? I believe that there may be many ways to help people, not all involve medication.

D'rok

6th July 2007, 06:40 AM

So as long as there are people on this planet that are so bloody stupid that they actually proceed to classify someone else in a matter of minutes as a delusional lunatic experiencing Delusions of Grandeur, then we are all SCREWED since this perfection of stupidity could be no greater !

Oops. Sorry for screwing us all, folks. I guess we'll have to get used to life in non-holistic reality. My bad. :boxedin:

calebprime

6th July 2007, 08:11 AM

there are some good points here that should be emphasized

You should take my concern for life seriously, I volunteer in shelters and other places. I worked as an outreach case manager for ten years, a domestic violence counselor for three years and a crisis worker for a year and a half. So perhaps you make unwarranted assumptions about other people and their concern. I asked what was killing millions of people?

... I believe that the 1% of the population that have schizophrenia are not helped enough, I believe that the 1-5% of the population that have bipolar disorder are not helped enough, I believe that the 10% of the population that have major depression are not helped enough. I believe that education, compassion and assistance would help most people.

The overall suicide rate for people with untreated schizophrenia is higher than 10%.

...there is a higher percentage of independent thinkers than that I believe, we may disagree. ...

...I am open to many belief systems.

...I know that to be a fact, it is important to understand where a person comes from in their beliefs. Once that is understood they may not be judged as delusional. Open minds listen and try to understand.

The experience of hallucinations is something for the individual to decide for themselves. In my experience the people I know who have acknowledged them find it helpful when they go away. But I have known others who are content the way they are.

Again, I judge the beliefs on the evidence, many of my beliefs go against the common herd. So I tend to judge things on their merits.

...I believe that there may be many ways to help people, not all involve medication.

slyjoe

6th July 2007, 08:25 AM

Yes, even today's physicists think of Time as simply the present time, rather than seeing it as an open dimension just like space is an open dimension.

This is not correct. Physicists view time as another dimension. In fact, string theorists work in 11 dimensions. How does this integrate with the holistic plane?

We actually do have an open Space-Time environment in which we constantly are in motion within. In other words there is the open depth of the time dimension, and we simply move across it.

I do not understand what is meant by "open depth". There certainly is a time dimension that we move through.

But like I said, Events can be governed from the Holistic side which includes this complete depth of the Time dimension, thus allowing circumstances within much depth of Time from our point of view to have been taken into account to determine the outcome of the Holistic Event.

As I mentioned, physicists do account for time. What type of events are governed by the Holistic side? And how would we observe them?

Meanwhile, the physicists of today are still thinking three dimensionally. And so when it comes down to experiments like the two slit experiment, they come up with a three dimensional explanation of a four dimensional event.

They don't think 3 dimensionally. How does time enter into the two slit experiment? (Hint: read and try to understand the linked Scientific American article).

This results in insane explanations such a saying that a Photon goes through both slits at the same time.

No, that is not what the experiment says.

The two slit experiment can also be done with electrons. One could fire electrons one at a time and one second apart, such that only one electron is in motion at a time, but still over time a count of quantity hits at different points at the destination wall will reveal an interference pattern.

No. It depends on your measurement whether or not there is an interference pattern.

This test could take days to complete, but from the Holistic plane of reality, all of those days are seen simultaneously, and thus all the electrons paths interfere with each other when this is left to being a Holistic Event.

Why would it take days to complete? I still don't understand the definition of a holistic event. You are claiming physics of the Holistic plane - where are the equations?

Based on the above misunderstandings of physics, how would you have to change your view of the holistic plane?

Crossbow

6th July 2007, 08:54 AM

Can any mind be any more closed than this one is ?

It does make me laugh though.

I mean think about it, I have no educational background in Physics at all, due to my parents pulling me out of school while I was in Grade Ten, due to me not thinking in the same manner as the majority, yet by just thinking about motion in my spare time I eventually produced the 1 ) The Lorentz-Fitzgerald Contraction Equation, 2 ) The Time Dilation Equation, 3 ) The Lorentz Transformation Equations, and 4 ) The Velocity addition Equation, thanks to figuring out the structure of reality on my own.

Naturally to ding bat here, one who has those smarts, is clearly a delusional lunatic.

Sorry, but I find it quite difficult to believe that someone with such little formal education and who has very little, if any, laboratory experience could independently develop such tools.

Tanstaafl

6th July 2007, 09:14 AM

Coming up with equations is the easy part.

Coming up with correct equations is a little trickier.

MINISTERofTRUTH

6th July 2007, 05:29 PM

Sorry, but I find it quite difficult to believe that someone with such little formal education and who has very little, if any, laboratory experience could independently develop such tools.

Exactly !

This is the outcome if one still chooses to use the mental function of Belief / Disbelief, even as an adult.

My outcome, on the other hand, is the result of choosing NOT to use the mental function of Belief / Disbelief.

Unfortunately, most adults do not grow beyond the simplicities of thinking in the basic relativistic pair format of 1's and 0's, yes and no, true and false, sane and insane, correct and incorrect, etc..

The faster you reach one of the pair, the less the amount of analysis has taken place.

Specifically, Belief / Disbelief should never be practised at all. If instead you tag all observations with probability ratings of being correct or incorrect, true or false, etc., then over decades a vast tree like structure of probability ratings will evolve as a new kind of memory bank, thus creating a whole new level of intelligence that fills in all the grey areas between the extremes, the 1's and 0's.

To allow the growth of such a structure, one chooses neither Belief nor Disbelief, since either of these simply throws you to one point of extreme, or the other.

Also, as I have stated before, if one was too look at the the complete reality from the beginning of time to the end, one would be looking at the complete truth as well. To look at a belief, one would have to step back and look off to the side, since a belief is not directly connected to truths, which is why it remains as a belief.

And so you must think of the axis of the mind. If you are looking directly at truths, then the axis of the mind is oriented to match. If you look at a belief, or at a disbelief, then in both of these cases, they have specific orientations of the axis alignment of the mind that are relative to the complete truth, but are NOT facing directly toward, nor directly away, from the actual complete truth.

If one continually practises only two alignments of the axis of the mind, such as belief and disbelief, then one will never learn how to focus the mind toward truths instead. In fact, if you still use belief and disbelief, then it becomes an impossibility to see the complete truth, since alignment of the mind with the complete truth is different from both of these.

Now as I have said, due to not practising belief, it became apparent to me that something was very odd about motion. And so I analysed it step by step roughly as described at..

http://www.outersecrets.com/real/forum_againstum2.htm

Others who I do not respond to, it can be one of two reasons. If the person practises belief / disbelief, then there is no way in which I can get the truth across to such a person.

Secondly, picture Jesus Christ on the cross just 5 minutes before he dies. At that time bring him down off the cross, put some jogging shorts on him, pop on a pair of brand new NIKE running shoes on his bleeding feet, and now expect to see him running down the road looking as chipper as ever, just loaded with radiating energy. NOT VERY LIKELY !

As I stated at my web site, the living hell that my opponents have put me through, was no less extreme than if I had taken the place of over 5,000 of those who died the worst slow deaths, in the German holocaust prisons.

It took me two years to be able to walk more that 2 miles a week, and to reach the present 28 miles a week. During the 2 mile period, which lasted many months, just walking a 1/4 of a mile four times a week, was agonising.

My mind, on the other hand, is still very very tired.

Loss Leader

6th July 2007, 05:55 PM

My mind, on the other hand, is still very very tired.

MoT - Can I take this to mean that you will not be answering my five questions? Are you stating that you have the energy to write paragraphs and paragraphs of text about how people with "beliefs" can never understand the truth, but you lack the energy to explain what that truth is?

Who is dying? What are they dying from? If it is schizophrenia, what caused it? What should we do to help? How will our actions affect the situation?

That's it: Five questions. I don't want to be the person who dismisses you out of hand but if you cannot address these questions, I don't think I'll have much choice.

Macoy

6th July 2007, 07:03 PM

Exactly !

This is the outcome if one still chooses to use the mental function of Belief / Disbelief, even as an adult.

My outcome, on the other hand, is the result of choosing NOT to use the mental function of Belief / Disbelief.

I don't believe in either!

Specifically, Belief / Disbelief should never be practised at all. If instead you tag all observations with probability ratings of being correct or incorrect, true or false, etc., then over decades a vast tree like structure of probability ratings will evolve as a new kind of memory bank, thus creating a whole new level of intelligence that fills in all the grey areas between the extremes, the 1's and 0's.

To allow the growth of such a structure, one chooses neither Belief nor Disbelief, since either of these simply throws you to one point of extreme, or the other.

Also, as I have stated before, if one was too look at the the complete reality from the beginning of time to the end, one would be looking at the complete truth as well. To look at a belief, one would have to step back and look off to the side, since a belief is not directly connected to truths, which is why it remains as a belief.

Don't believe a word of it.

And so you must think of the axis of the mind. If you are looking directly at truths, then the axis of the mind is oriented to match. If you look at a belief, or at a disbelief, then in both of these cases, they have specific orientations of the axis alignment of the mind that are relative to the complete truth, but are NOT facing directly toward, nor directly away, from the actual complete truth.

If one continually practises only two alignments of the axis of the mind, such as belief and disbelief, then one will never learn how to focus the mind toward truths instead. In fact, if you still use belief and disbelief, then it becomes an impossibility to see the complete truth, since alignment of the mind with the complete truth is different from both of these.
No! Not a sausage.

Secondly, picture Jesus Christ on the cross just 5 minutes before he dies. At that time bring him down off the cross, put some jogging shorts on him, pop on a pair of brand new NIKE running shoes on his bleeding feet, and now expect to see him running down the road looking as chipper as ever, just loaded with radiating energy. NOT VERY LIKELY !

As I stated at my web site, the living hell that my opponents have put me through, was no less extreme than if I had taken the place of over 5,000 of those who died the worst slow deaths, in the German holocaust prisons.

It took me two years to be able to walk more that 2 miles a week, and to reach the present 28 miles a week. During the 2 mile period, which lasted many months, just walking a 1/4 of a mile four times a week, was agonising.

My mind, on the other hand, is still very very tired.

Why do you do it, then?

calebprime

7th July 2007, 09:50 AM

MoT.

I hope you keep exercising. That's always a good thing.

There are several stories here.

One is about how you've experienced bad health.

Another is about how you independantly came up with equations identical to Einstein's, etc. There are a number of people here who actually understand these concepts (I'm not one of them).

Another is how there are two planes--the relative and the holographic. The beings on the holographic plane, according to you, have the power to live outside of time, so they can manipulate the people on the relative plane.
How do beings on the holographic plane manifest themselves?

Is it possible you have built this holographic idea up in your mind from real or imaginary mistreatment you have received from some people?

I hope that there are some people you can trust.

This forum is a place where people will either argue with you, or tell you to get help from a psychiatrist. They will not agree with you just to make you feel better.

Solus

7th July 2007, 06:49 PM

Solus

7th July 2007, 06:51 PM

Did Minister of truth add the schizophrenia tag or someone else?

Loss Leader

7th July 2007, 08:11 PM

Did Minister of truth add the schizophrenia tag or someone else?

I think I'm the only tagger in here and I didn't add it. In fact, I've been deleting tags.

If I had to guess, I'd say that MoT thinks that the holistic dimension guys induce schizophrenia in people who are getting too close to the truth. My guess is that he thinks this happened to him but he was somehow able to fight through it. I'm only guessing, though, because he won't actually answer my direct questions.

MINISTERofTRUTH

8th July 2007, 12:36 AM

MoT.

I hope you keep exercising. That's always a good thing.

There are several stories here.

One is about how you've experienced bad health.

Another is about how you independently came up with equations identical to Einstein's, etc. There are a number of people here who actually understand these concepts (I'm not one of them).

Another is how there are two planes--the relative and the holographic. The beings on the holographic plane, according to you, have the power to live outside of time, so they can manipulate the people on the relative plane.
How do beings on the holographic plane manifest themselves?

Is it possible you have built this holographic idea up in your mind from real or imaginary mistreatment you have received from some people?

I hope that there are some people you can trust.

This forum is a place where people will either argue with you, or tell you to get help from a psychiatrist. They will not agree with you just to make you feel better.

Thank you very very much for your response. I needed it big time.

It looks like I have to take a break since I just got hit hard for opening my mouth again.

If I had to guess, I'd say that MoT thinks that the holistic dimension guys induce schizophrenia in people who are getting too close to the truth. My guess is that he thinks this happened to him but he was somehow able to fight through it. I'm only guessing, though, because he won't actually answer my direct questions.

Several years ago I ended up with a nasty case of hypoglycemia ( Low glucose levels in the blood. ). This led to a gradual shut down of most neurological functioning of the brain. Eventually even the simple things such as tying my shoe laces, knowing how to spell my brothers name, which hand was my left and which hand was my right, all faded away. At the worst of times my short term memories shut down completely. Physical awareness then also depended upon visual awareness alone rather then sensation. The senses of taste and smell vanished. Depth perception also came to a halt. I am all too familiar with the symptoms that you see in the movie " Awakenings ".

It took eight years to slowly recover, to be able to read sentences again, to be able to see words again as complete words rather than having to read them letter by letter, and to have fluid movement of my neck again, etc..

Cat scans, even after many years of recovery, still indicated a low level of neural activity in certain areas of the brain. Doctors prescribed dopamine enhancers to help the recovery along by enabling certain functions of the brain long enough to get them to work on their own once again.

In the early stages of what is titled as Schizophrenia, prior to me knowing what the heck was going on, it was impossible to be taking meds since these meds are dopamine suppressors, which is the exact opposite of what I needed.

And so yes, I have had to battle this on my own by analysis and the process of elimination.

Anyhow, I am taking a desperate break. I am just not that strong anymore.

I still have a fresh memory of the time that they hit me sooo hard that I had no choice but to take as shot at ending my life. I was unconscious for 2 1/2 days. I kept a sample of the blood that I swept of the floors in my apartment after it had hardened to a pitch black crystal like substance. I still have it with me to remind me of the boundless wrongfulness that I am up against.

Like John Forbes Nash once said, he had forgotten most of what he had been through. This was one of the many nasty traits of those in the holistic plane. They found it amusing to put someone through a screaming hell, and then erase much of the memory, and then pretend to be your friend.

It's like some horrible guy, a neighbour of yours, killing your Children in front of your eyes, then he gives you some medication that wipes your memory of it clean. Then afterwards he comes to see you and pretends to be your best friend, the one that understands, the one that laughs inside as you tell him that without his help you could not have kept on living.

This kind of behaviour is due them being able to get away with whatever they want, since if any of their actions are spoken of, no one else believes of it.

But thanks again calebprime for your understanding. It means a lot to me indeed.

Kopji

8th July 2007, 02:08 AM

But since it is your goal to maintain complete ignorance, you will therefore ignore everything that I have exposed. You will practice false certainty, meaning you will be certain, yet at the same time can not reveal any facts that brought you to this point of certainty. You will continue to allow those on the other side to butcher as many innocent people as they want to, and do so year after year after year ..... , and in the long run throw only the innocent into Hell, and only the guilty will be in the Heavens. But that's you, isn't it ?

http://www.outersecrets.com/real/biblecode2.htm

I do feel a certain pity for you. The so called 'Bible Codes' are just false hopes perpetrated on believers. A similar 'Bible code' analysis was done on 'Moby Dick', among other books - and all sorts of interesting things turned up.

http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/torah.html

Promoters of Bible Code "data" have been shown over and over to be wrong. Yet you persist in asserting that disbelief in your conclusions is a denial of the truth.

This is not a baseless assertion, but a CHALLENGE to you. Give us a falsifiable claim to your "truth". What test could we give to your claim that might show it incorrect?

You have not made your case to claim to be a minister of truth. Truth is a regulative principle - not everything can be true. How could we eliminate competing claims to truth? You are not making an original or unique claim. There are thousands of others just like you who make similar claims to truth.

Karl Popper, among others spoke to your assertions over 50 years ago and how to test them. I'm going to fathom a guess that the name is new to you.

Loss Leader

8th July 2007, 06:08 AM

Several years ago ...

Five hundred and thirty-five words and you couldn't answer even one of my five questions?

I really don't understand, MoT. Do you just not want people to know what you're talking about?

Do you honestly have no idea what you're talking about?

Please answer my questions. They go to the very heart of exactly what it is you came here to communicate. Yet, so far, all you have communicated is how hard it has been for you to come to the truth, how no one else understands it and all of the suffering you've done as a result. Please tell us exactly what your point is.

That is all I have been asking.

newlyfound

8th July 2007, 12:15 PM

Anyone who go out of his way to call himself Minister of Truth is full of it at the first place. All any average intelligence member has to do to save themselves any waste of time and energy is look at the screen name and draw a conclusion. I see such name and also see arrogant ignorance, followed by a whole chain of other parallel coresponding epithets.
If this guy is so concerned about "saving lives" (my eye), why isn't he willing to save himself first,... from himself?...this seems to be the priority here. If he is so concerned about spreading the "the truth", why does he relentlessly refuse to look at and address what others are saying to him? since seeking the truth involves considering new angles that are brought to one's attention. Since the truth is not eternally carved on some tablet somewhere, it is constantly changing and being updated. And unless he thinks he is god or his associate, being as "smart" as he is, he should know that in order to effectively contribute to helping others, one has to first and formost work to update his knowledge on constant basis (so far, he is not willing to do that). If all people care about nothing but themselves, why are (at least) those that are posting here, give zip by kindly taking time to help show him what he apparently cannot see? If he just desperately knows so much (as well as more than anybody else apparently), why does he have to resort to bringing up his medical history to mainly manipulate the readers into feeling sorry for him? Much like this poor mammal, doesn't god claim to know everything too? For the record, god does not manipulate others into feeling sorry for him?...And beside, who hasn't in life gone through some kind of major/minor ordeal? People either have to agree with him 'bubbling out' his mumbo jumbo whatever or they are shutting him down and preventing him from accomplishing his heaveny mission. Seems someone isn't taking their medication.

The probable reason why he is not posting at related forums, forums where his material will have a better chance of thriving, is many of those type of forums filter everything that gets proposed for posting. And clearly given the nature of the worlds he usually dwells in, a very little chance of him making it to the boards. If he did, he might have get kicked out for whatever reason (multiple times maybe), so he comes here and takes advantage of the forum's free thought promoting philosophy.

Dancing David

9th July 2007, 06:33 AM

Thank you very very much for your response. I needed it big time.

It looks like I have to take a break since I just got hit hard for opening my mouth again.

Several years ago I ended up with a nasty case of hypoglycemia ( Low glucose levels in the blood. ). This led to a gradual shut down of most neurological functioning of the brain. Eventually even the simple things such as tying my shoe laces, knowing how to spell my brothers name, which hand was my left and which hand was my right, all faded away. At the worst of times my short term memories shut down completely. Physical awareness then also depended upon visual awareness alone rather then sensation. The senses of taste and smell vanished. Depth perception also came to a halt. I am all too familiar with the symptoms that you see in the movie " Awakenings ".

This sounds really scary, I am glad you found your way to recovery. Very scary.

It took eight years to slowly recover, to be able to read sentences again, to be able to see words again as complete words rather than having to read them letter by letter, and to have fluid movement of my neck again, etc..

Cat scans, even after many years of recovery, still indicated a low level of neural activity in certain areas of the brain. Doctors prescribed dopamine enhancers to help the recovery along by enabling certain functions of the brain long enough to get them to work on their own once again.

Interesting, was that L-dopa? i am just curious, there are a lot of ways to stimulate the acetylcholine pathways, I wouldn't recomend suplements like amphetamines however.

In the early stages of what is titled as Schizophrenia, prior to me knowing what the heck was going on, it was impossible to be taking meds since these meds are dopamine suppressors, which is the exact opposite of what I needed.

Often scizophrenia is a mislabel and it really depends on what the person seeking the medical treatment is looking for in terms of relief. If they choose to seek treatment.

And so yes, I have had to battle this on my own by analysis and the process of elimination.

Anyhow, I am taking a desperate break. I am just not that strong anymore.

I still have a fresh memory of the time that they hit me sooo hard that I had no choice but to take as shot at ending my life. I was unconscious for 2 1/2 days. I kept a sample of the blood that I swept of the floors in my apartment after it had hardened to a pitch black crystal like substance. I still have it with me to remind me of the boundless wrongfulness that I am up against.

I am sorry that there was no one to help you, it is hard to do things all alone.

Like John Forbes Nash once said, he had forgotten most of what he had been through. This was one of the many nasty traits of those in the holistic plane. They found it amusing to put someone through a screaming hell, and then erase much of the memory, and then pretend to be your friend.

It's like some horrible guy, a neighbour of yours, killing your Children in front of your eyes, then he gives you some medication that wipes your memory of it clean. Then afterwards he comes to see you and pretends to be your best friend, the one that understands, the one that laughs inside as you tell him that without his help you could not have kept on living.

Yuck, that sounds like a creepy sort of domestic violence.

How do the people on the holistic plane communicate with you?

This kind of behaviour is due them being able to get away with whatever they want, since if any of their actions are spoken of, no one else believes of it.

But thanks again calebprime for your understanding. It means a lot to me indeed.

I am glad you have recovered, do you still have the hypoglycemia?

Dancing David

9th July 2007, 06:43 AM

Welcome to the Forum, I notice that you and I agree on many points but perhaps you are speaking in a fashion which is not conducive to communication with someone who has a radically different POV, that is common on the Forum, but sometimes trying to communicate is more interesting and a good way to explore beleifs.

I noticed some interesting assumptions on your part in your post. And while they may be warranted, I am not sure.

Anyone who go out of his way to call himself Minister of Truth is full of it at the first place.

That is an assumption, it could be many different reasons.

All any average intelligence member has to do to save themselves any waste of time and energy is look at the screen name and draw a conclusion.

That is cynical not sceptical?

I see such name and also see arrogant ignorance

You can tell that just from a name? Really? have you encountered that screen name on another forum?

, followed by a whole chain of other parallel coresponding epithets.

Just from a name? Really?

If this guy is so concerned about "saving lives" (my eye), why isn't he willing to save himself first,... from himself?...this seems to be the priority here. If he is so concerned about spreading the "the truth", why does he relentlessly refuse to look at and address what others are saying to him?

For the same reason that other people do?

since seeking the truth involves considering new angles that are brought to one's attention. Since the truth is not eternally carved on some tablet somewhere, it is constantly changing and being updated. And unless he thinks he is god or his associate, being as "smart" as he is, he should know that in order to effectively contribute to helping others, one has to first and formost work to update his knowledge on constant basis (so far, he is not willing to do that). If all people care about nothing but themselves, why are (at least) those that are posting here, give zip by kindly taking time to help show him what he apparently cannot see?

That is rather common behavior , not just MoT.

If he just desperately knows so much (as well as more than anybody else apparently), why does he have to resort to bringing up his medical history to mainly manipulate the readers into feeling sorry for him? Much like this poor mammal, doesn't god claim to know everything too? For the record, god does not manipulate others into feeling sorry for him?

I would say that fear is usually the stronger stick in the tool box of god.

...And beside, who hasn't in life gone through some kind of major/minor ordeal? People either have to agree with him 'bubbling out' his mumbo jumbo whatever or they are shutting him down and preventing him from accomplishing his heaveny mission. Seems someone isn't taking their medication.

The probable reason why he is not posting at related forums, forums where his material will have a better chance of thriving, is many of those type of forums filter everything that gets proposed for posting.

Evidence?

And clearly given the nature of the worlds he usually dwells in, a very little chance of him making it to the boards. If he did, he might have get kicked out for whatever reason (multiple times maybe), so he comes here and takes advantage of the forum's free thought promoting philosophy.

That is true for so many, but it makes for the best discussions. i get to clarify what i think and why i think it in that situation.

Welcome to the forum.

There are many other true troll sif you want some examples, I think MoT is here to discuss.

But look up Yrreg, TaiChi or peterMorris is you want to see some true trolldom. The vote is out on MoT.

Crossbow

9th July 2007, 10:02 AM

Exactly !

This is the outcome if one still chooses to use the mental function of Belief / Disbelief, even as an adult.

My outcome, on the other hand, is the result of choosing NOT to use the mental function of Belief / Disbelief.

Unfortunately, most adults do not grow beyond the simplicities of thinking in the basic relativistic pair format of 1's and 0's, yes and no, true and false, sane and insane, correct and incorrect, etc..

The faster you reach one of the pair, the less the amount of analysis has taken place.

Specifically, Belief / Disbelief should never be practised at all. If instead you tag all observations with probability ratings of being correct or incorrect, true or false, etc., then over decades a vast tree like structure of probability ratings will evolve as a new kind of memory bank, thus creating a whole new level of intelligence that fills in all the grey areas between the extremes, the 1's and 0's.

To allow the growth of such a structure, one chooses neither Belief nor Disbelief, since either of these simply throws you to one point of extreme, or the other.

Also, as I have stated before, if one was too look at the the complete reality from the beginning of time to the end, one would be looking at the complete truth as well. To look at a belief, one would have to step back and look off to the side, since a belief is not directly connected to truths, which is why it remains as a belief.

And so you must think of the axis of the mind. If you are looking directly at truths, then the axis of the mind is oriented to match. If you look at a belief, or at a disbelief, then in both of these cases, they have specific orientations of the axis alignment of the mind that are relative to the complete truth, but are NOT facing directly toward, nor directly away, from the actual complete truth.

If one continually practises only two alignments of the axis of the mind, such as belief and disbelief, then one will never learn how to focus the mind toward truths instead. In fact, if you still use belief and disbelief, then it becomes an impossibility to see the complete truth, since alignment of the mind with the complete truth is different from both of these.

Now as I have said, due to not practising belief, it became apparent to me that something was very odd about motion. And so I analysed it step by step roughly as described at..

http://www.outersecrets.com/real/forum_againstum2.htm

Others who I do not respond to, it can be one of two reasons. If the person practises belief / disbelief, then there is no way in which I can get the truth across to such a person.

Secondly, picture Jesus Christ on the cross just 5 minutes before he dies. At that time bring him down off the cross, put some jogging shorts on him, pop on a pair of brand new NIKE running shoes on his bleeding feet, and now expect to see him running down the road looking as chipper as ever, just loaded with radiating energy. NOT VERY LIKELY !

As I stated at my web site, the living hell that my opponents have put me through, was no less extreme than if I had taken the place of over 5,000 of those who died the worst slow deaths, in the German holocaust prisons.

It took me two years to be able to walk more that 2 miles a week, and to reach the present 28 miles a week. During the 2 mile period, which lasted many months, just walking a 1/4 of a mile four times a week, was agonising.

My mind, on the other hand, is still very very tired.

One can call oneself the "Official Minister of the Truth", but it is the actions that one takes, as opposed to what one chooses to call himself, that makes him honest. Further, it is a fact that one cannot be both truthful and dishonest.

Since you completely unable to honestly explain how you managed to develop

1) The Lorentz-Fitzgerald Contraction Equation,
2) The Time Dilation Equation,
3) The Lorentz Transformation Equations, and
4) The Velocity addition Equation

With very little formal education and little, if any, laboratory experience,

I have considerable doubt that you are being honest about this claim, therefore I do not expect that your are any sort of "Minister of the Truth" official, or otherwise.

MINISTERofTRUTH

9th July 2007, 10:37 AM

One can call oneself the "Official Minister of the Truth", but it is the actions that one takes, as opposed to what one chooses to call himself, that makes him honest. Further, it is a fact that one cannot be both truthful and dishonest.

Since you completely unable to honestly explain how you managed to develop

1) The Lorentz-Fitzgerald Contraction Equation,
2) The Time Dilation Equation,
3) The Lorentz Transformation Equations, and
4) The Velocity addition Equation

With very little formal education and little, if any, laboratory experience,

I have considerable doubt that you are being honest about this claim, therefore I do not expect that your are any sort of "Minister of the Truth" official, or otherwise.

Did you not read my condensed description at http://www.outersecrets.com/real/forum_againstum2.htm (http://www.outersecrets.com/real/forum_againstum2.htm)

You might not be able to understand it in the same way as I do, and therefore not to be able to see the foundation of which it stands.

This plane of reality that you are familiar with, is the relativistic plane of reality. Everything is related. You have up related to down, left related to right, good to bad, etc..

However, the typical person does not take this into account. The end result of this is the inability to see singularities as singularities, and dualities as dualities. What happens is that if you think of UP, you tend to think of it as a singularity, rather than think of it as being 1/2 of the relative UP-DOWN pair.

The outcome of this, leads to seeing dualities as singularities, and singularities as dualities. It literally leads to cross minded thinking.

Cross minded thinking then ensures that your mind can not, and does not, have the ability to extend to the point of seeing beyond the limits of the Relativistic plane of reality.

This is due to not being able to see the actual singularities involved in the structure of the relativistic plane of reality in the first place, ALL thanks to looking at these singularities with a cross minded point of view, and therefore not seeing them for what they really truly are. This then creates a barrier that you can not cross due to it having created a gap.

Loss Leader

9th July 2007, 11:34 AM

This then creates a barrier that you can not cross due to it having created a gap.

At this point, MoT, I must conclude the following:

You are a deeply sick, floridly shizophrenic individual who is incapable of coherent thought or communication.

For whatever reason, your mind can no longer reliably synthesize, process or relate information.

Much of your beliefs about relativistic planes and your mastery of mathematics has been created by your brain in order to sheild your ego from the devastating truth that you have no idea what is going on.

I am very sorry for your illness. I hope you begin taking your medication again.

It is possible that you will respond to this post to tell me that all of us who don't know the "truth" see you as crazy and that this is somehow evidence that you are not. But I remind you that I came to this conclusion after repeatedly asking you to clarify your position and repeatedly being ignored by you. Instead, you complained how physically and mentally hard this all is for you without ever explaining what it is you were talking about.

I would still be willing to change my opinion. All you have to do is answer the very straightforward questions I asked here (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2743814#post2743814), here (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2744958#post2744958), here (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2745077#post2745077), here (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2746038#post2746038), here (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2747628#post2747628), and here (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2750124#post2750124).

But you won't. Your mental illness prevents it.

MINISTERofTRUTH

9th July 2007, 12:31 PM

At this point, MoT, I must conclude the following:

You are a deeply sick, floridly shizophrenic individual who is incapable of coherent thought or communication.

For whatever reason, your mind can no longer reliably synthesize, process or relate information.

Much of your beliefs about relativistic planes and your mastery of mathematics has been created by your brain in order to sheild your ego from the devastating truth that you have no idea what is going on.

I am very sorry for your illness. I hope you begin taking your medication again.

It is possible that you will respond to this post to tell me that all of us who don't know the "truth" see you as crazy and that this is somehow evidence that you are not. But I remind you that I came to this conclusion after repeatedly asking you to clarify your position and repeatedly being ignored by you. Instead, you complained how physically and mentally hard this all is for you without ever explaining what it is you were talking about.

I would still be willing to change my opinion. All you have to do is answer the very straightforward questions I asked here (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2743814#post2743814), here (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2744958#post2744958), here (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2745077#post2745077), here (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2746038#post2746038), here (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2747628#post2747628), and here (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2750124#post2750124).

But you won't. Your mental illness prevents it.

If YOU must, YOU must.

Crossbow

9th July 2007, 12:39 PM

Did you not read my condensed description at http://www.outersecrets.com/real/forum_againstum2.htm (http://www.outersecrets.com/real/forum_againstum2.htm)

You might not be able to understand it in the same way as I do, and therefore not to be able to see the foundation of which it stands.

This plane of reality that you are familiar with, is the relativistic plane of reality. Everything is related. You have up related to down, left related to right, good to bad, etc..

However, the typical person does not take this into account. The end result of this is the inability to see singularities as singularities, and dualities as dualities. What happens is that if you think of UP, you tend to think of it as a singularity, rather than think of it as being 1/2 of the relative UP-DOWN pair.

The outcome of this, leads to seeing dualities as singularities, and singularities as dualities. It literally leads to cross minded thinking.

Cross minded thinking then ensures that your mind can not, and does not, have the ability to extend to the point of seeing beyond the limits of the Relativistic plane of reality.

This is due to not being able to see the actual singularities involved in the structure of the relativistic plane of reality in the first place, ALL thanks to looking at these singularities with a cross minded point of view, and therefore not seeing them for what they really truly are. This then creates a barrier that you can not cross due to it having created a gap.

Thanks for you response, but neither your website nor your postings have served to validate your claim that you independently developed:

1) The Lorentz-Fitzgerald Contraction Equation,
2) The Time Dilation Equation,
3) The Lorentz Transformation Equations, and
4) The Velocity addition Equation

Even though you have very little formal education and little, if any, laboratory experience.

Therefore, I continue to doubt that you are being honest about this claim and as such I do not expect you are any sort of "Minister of the Truth".

newlyfound

9th July 2007, 08:50 PM

Welcome to the Forum, I notice that you and I agree on many points but perhaps you are speaking in a fashion which is not conducive to communication with someone who has a radically different POV, that is common on the Forum, but sometimes trying to communicate is more interesting and a good way to explore beleifs.

I wasn't talking to him but about him, if he didn't care to return the favor to all these beautiful knowledgeable people, you think he is going to give a damn about what I say? I don't think so. Thank you for your welcome and thank you for caring, though my thanking you doesn't really amount to much as far as conveying a heart felt appreciation. Your comment about communication is spot on and I will try to remember it each time I come here.

I noticed some interesting assumptions on your part in your post. And while they may be warranted, I am not sure.

That is an assumption, it could be many different reasons.
Such as? if he knew anything about the truth, he would not make it into one of the "components" of his "title", because that's what "Minister of Truth" is, a self aggrandizing title.

That is cynical not sceptical?
I was not trying to be sceptical or cynical. But upon you pointing out the cynical part, I do realize I was. I am sorry, if I am being cynical, I was mainly toward him not the posters that were genuinely working to help him. He really aggravated me with his evasiveness and maybe even dishonesty.

You can tell that just from a name? Really? have you encountered that screen name on another forum?
Well, just look at it, it's not hard. Depending what names people pick for themselves, that can give one important clues as to who and how they are. To give you a tiny reference point, I'd ask, if a word, any given word, a name, etc. were to be a bag, what would you be able to dig out of it?LOL.

Just from a name? Really? Now I think you are just pulling my leg...lol. Not only just any name, but this particular one, yes. Some are blurry, some are crips as to what they reflect or even deflect, some are easier or harder than others, etc.

For the same reason that other people do?

What do you mean by "other people"? you mean the participants of this thread? if that's the case, I'd say the participants of this thread are not the delluded ones. They're fairly clear-headed, and furthermore, they are pretty darn down to earth about it. He is the whatever of truth, but when one asks him a straight up question as many have here, he seems to have tough time honestly concisely answering it. That's some advocate for the truth. It's as if the truth is patented and he owns the patent.

That is rather common behavior , not just MoT.

But the difference is he is calling himself MoT, he assigned himself that job along with that job description and he should live by it.

I would say that fear is usually the stronger stick in the tool box of god.

My guess would be self-centrism, of course among many others characteristics.

Evidence? Using common sense, one would think he would want to be at a forum that is more receptive to his 'works', as the saying goes: "Birds of feather flock toghether". If he is not there, that could mean that they don't want him there or the more likely reason is as I said, they filter everything (try to post at one something that goes against their general thought stream and see what happens if you don't believe me), and as fantastic as are his posts, they are not let in. If they have let few, they probably probed him to get him to break down his material to make sense out of it, nothing happened so they said enough. You brought up communication, it is 2 ways street. With MoT it isn't. This is just a guess. And anybody can make one.

That is true for so many, but it makes for the best discussions. i get to clarify what i think and why i think it in that situation. what would make for best discussion?

Welcome to the forum.

There are many other true troll sif you want some examples, I think MoT is here to discuss.

But look up Yrreg, TaiChi or peterMorris is you want to see some true trolldom. The vote is out on MoT.

I somehow didn't picture him as a troll believe it or not. Though his title send out a loud alarm.

Thank you again for the welcome and for being here.

DRBUZZ0

9th July 2007, 09:13 PM

If a bomb was located just next to you, and you were chained to a heavy bolt in the ground cement, thus keeping you next to the bomb, you would probably listen to me if I told you that I could help you.

But, when it comes to the trouble being the lives of millions of OTHERS rather than you, you don't behave the same in the same manner !

If I were chained next to a bomb and some really nutty-sounding guy said he could help me, I think I'd just ignore him and defuse the bomb.

We're assuming the bomb is going to go off, right? I mean, if it's one of the newer military ones, they're actually pretty damn stable when the safety is on. I mean, some high explosives won't even blow up if you light them on fire, and most of them need a blasting cap at least.

So I guess I am to assume what? The bomb is armed, with a timer and I can't open it?

Oh oh! Does it have a big LED display which ticks down? I bet if I cut the wrong wire it will go faster too! That'd be some real suspense!

MINISTERofTRUTH

10th July 2007, 12:47 AM

Thanks for you response, but neither your website nor your postings have served to validate your claim that you independently developed:

1) The Lorentz-Fitzgerald Contraction Equation,
2) The Time Dilation Equation,
3) The Lorentz Transformation Equations, and
4) The Velocity addition Equation

Even though you have very little formal education and little, if any, laboratory experience.

Therefore, I continue to doubt that you are being honest about this claim and as such I do not expect you are any sort of "Minister of the Truth".

This is related to my first exposure to peculiarities that defied the laws of probability. I began to notice that even though I always spoke nothing but truths, it always ended up triggering major major opposition.

It got even weirder in these early stages while I was still just a kid, when for instance at that time, to pass some time, I played a simple card game which if fact had a 50 / 50 chance of winning. It was a game designed not to make one of the kids project the impression that he or she was smarter than the others. This impression could not come about because the game would be won by chance, and not by intellect.

However, I always always always lost the game ?
Laws of probability were being broken !

In the back of my mind it was becoming more and more apparent that a third party was involved. But it still was the rejection of truths that was the most annoying.

I once left work at lunch time and headed to the bank with a workmate since both of us needed to get a bank loan. It took approx. 45 minutes for me to convince the bank woman to give me a loan, even though I spoke in nothing but truths, and even had papers to prove what I said was true, such a my collateral being my house. Surely, I said, that is big enough a collateral ! She just continued to look at me as though I was nothing but a criminal.

Then the workmate enters her office, speaks in 100% lies, has no collateral at all, and within less than 5 minutes receives his loan. As he leaves her office, she comes running out after him and says " Are you sure you don't need any other loans ? ".

What the hell is going on, I said to myself, why does this always happen ? Why is it that I am always opposed, yet those who surround me within my life, do not have this problem at all, in fact, they could practically get away with endless days of practising cold blooded murder ????

But these days it is a different story now that the source of these twisted events has been exposed. But those on the Holistic side continue to laugh, and continuously say that I can't beat them no matter what, and that I can't beat then no matter what.

This became very depressing indeed at the points when they made it more and more obvious. I would bust my ass trying to get the truth out, and even almost lost my life in the process, but people would continue reject the truth I present, by using every possible method and reason. And then just after this rejection, those on the holistic side would arrange something like the occurrence of a newsworthy story of an image of Jesus on a piece of toast. They then would once again laugh at me, pointing out how the attention of mankind was more drawn toward a bloody stupid vague image on a piece of toast, than it will ever ever ever ever ever ever be drawn toward the TRUTH.

Once again they would say, " You can't win ".

So I said to myself that thank goodness a stable reference is need to maintain a sound stable reality. The world around us changes slowly and so it becomes a reference that prevents a heading toward total chaos and loss of sanity. If you remove just one type of reference, such as gravity, even that makes it difficult to not run into problems, as our astronauts have found out. And so I thought that at least we have something that those holistic bastards won't mess with.

I was wrong !
Just afterwards, a tsunami wave appeared and killed 100's of thousands of people. Those on the Holistic side then said " We are in control, and we can do whatever we want ! ".

Or there was the time when I thought of how they mess with the minds of adults, thus keeping them away from truths, which also leads to corruption of many minds. I thought to myself, at least the minds of children are relatively safe, at least the children themselves are therefore relatively safe.

I was wrong !
Just afterwards, bombs went off in a school full of children in Russia. Those on the Holistic side then said " We are in control, and we can do whatever we want ! ". The priceless value of innocent children did not mean one bloody thing at all to the those on the holistic side, and they had made that very very clear.

Then there was the time that I was thinking back to the fact that I came from the U.K. and that I do believe in there being a United Kingdom. At the same time I had tapped into numerology and had found that number 56 was related to the numerical value of the word GOD in English. One ( 56 ) basically means one God. GOD = 156 . Just after that I turn on the TV and the night news says 56 people were killed un the U.K. due to bombs in the subways. Those on the Holistic side then said " We are in control, and we can do whatever we want ! ".

And so this seems to be the case.

As long as people continue to reject truths in an instant, and continue to place the value of beliefs over the value of exploring truths, then those on the holistic side continue to win.
The butchers win.

People in general have a strong habit of accepting global beliefs as actual FACTS instead.
The butchers win.

Or even if I have mentioned any of what I have stated above at a previous time, then the importance of saying that I am repeating myself, to most people this practise is also far far far greater in value than the value of exploring truths.
The butchers win.

In short, people will follow the words written in a book written long ago, and worship a person who was on this planet long ago, but when it comes to text of today, words of today, and a single person of today, no one is aloud any importance and respect, unless they are also leading you away from truths.

When the book " The Da Vinci Code " book came out, once again those on the holistic side were laughing as the public attention was drawn toward it creating a great deal of discussion about its contents, even though the book is fiction.

But at least there are others who have seen what I see.

Such a pity that absolutely no one listens to any of them either.
http://www.outersecrets.com/real/image/forum/truths.gif

The butchers win.

And so one could talk and talk and talk and talk until one is blue in the face, but as long as your words are words of truth, NO ONE WILL LISTEN !
( Confirmation of the rejection and burial of truths will appear shortly. )

Anacoluthon64

10th July 2007, 01:05 AM

I think you need to turn down that volume knob in your head and turn up the one for your ears.

'Luthon64

Loss Leader

10th July 2007, 07:01 AM

The butchers win.

MoT - What should we do about this? How will our knowing the truth help us?

Please don't tell me why no one will listen to you. I AM LISTENING TO YOU.

Tell me what I should do about it and how my actions will help.

DRBUZZ0

10th July 2007, 09:20 AM

lol. hahaha

We are in control, we can do whatever we want....

GroundStrength

10th July 2007, 10:03 AM

After spending time reading through this thread and MoT's website. It seems in my very unprofessional opinion that he suffers from some sort of strange persecution complex.

To the extent that he has created this elaborate belief system to help explain (to him) why bad things happen to him.

Hope you get better MoT.

Crossbow

10th July 2007, 12:17 PM

This is related to my first exposure to peculiarities that defied the laws of probability. I began to notice that even though I always spoke nothing but truths, it always ended up triggering major major opposition.

.. snipped for brevity ...

And so one could talk and talk and talk and talk until one is blue in the face, but as long as your words are words of truth, NO ONE WILL LISTEN !
( Confirmation of the rejection and burial of truths will appear shortly. )

Ummm,

It is quite evident to me that you have some serious mental illness problems.

Therefore, I strongly suggest that you contact a health professional as soon as possible and get some help.

I wish you the best of luck!

DRBUZZ0

10th July 2007, 01:22 PM

Christ, even I'm not that melodramatic or self-serving with the whole persecution thing. Man, that's pretty damn bad.

Dancing David

10th July 2007, 01:39 PM

I wasn't talking to him but about him, if he didn't care to return the favor to all these beautiful knowledgeable people, you think he is going to give a damn about what I say? I don't think so. Thank you for your welcome and thank you for caring, though my thanking you doesn't really amount to much as far as conveying a heart felt appreciation. Your comment about communication is spot on and I will try to remember it each time I come here.

Such as? if he knew anything about the truth, he would not make it into one of the "components" of his "title", because that's what "Minister of Truth" is, a self aggrandizing title.

I was not trying to be sceptical or cynical. But upon you pointing out the cynical part, I do realize I was. I am sorry, if I am being cynical, I was mainly toward him not the posters that were genuinely working to help him. He really aggravated me with his evasiveness and maybe even dishonesty.

Well, just look at it, it's not hard. Depending what names people pick for themselves, that can give one important clues as to who and how they are. To give you a tiny reference point, I'd ask, if a word, any given word, a name, etc. were to be a bag, what would you be able to dig out of it?LOL.

Now I think you are just pulling my leg...lol. Not only just any name, but this particular one, yes. Some are blurry, some are crips as to what they reflect or even deflect, some are easier or harder than others, etc.

What do you mean by "other people"? you mean the participants of this thread? if that's the case, I'd say the participants of this thread are not the delluded ones. They're fairly clear-headed, and furthermore, they are pretty darn down to earth about it. He is the whatever of truth, but when one asks him a straight up question as many have here, he seems to have tough time honestly concisely answering it. That's some advocate for the truth. It's as if the truth is patented and he owns the patent.

But the difference is he is calling himself MoT, he assigned himself that job along with that job description and he should live by it.

My guess would be self-centrism, of course among many others characteristics.

Using common sense, one would think he would want to be at a forum that is more receptive to his 'works', as the saying goes: "Birds of feather flock toghether". If he is not there, that could mean that they don't want him there or the more likely reason is as I said, they filter everything (try to post at one something that goes against their general thought stream and see what happens if you don't believe me), and as fantastic as are his posts, they are not let in. If they have let few, they probably probed him to get him to break down his material to make sense out of it, nothing happened so they said enough. You brought up communication, it is 2 ways street. With MoT it isn't. This is just a guess. And anybody can make one.

what would make for best discussion?

I somehow didn't picture him as a troll believe it or not. Though his title send out a loud alarm.

Thank you again for the welcome and for being here.

Sorry, i was being a wonk, i apologise. the fact that he has ignored my polite enquiries says more than the possible beliefs not shared by others. makes me wonder if it is a put on.

I thought MoT was some bizzare Orwellian reference.

Sorry for being crouchy.

Dancing David

10th July 2007, 01:42 PM

MoT - What should we do about this? How will our knowing the truth help us?

Please don't tell me why no one will listen to you. I AM LISTENING TO YOU.

Tell me what I should do about it and how my actions will help.

Me too MoT!

I want to learn, I may not agree but I want to learn.

How is your hypoglycemia?

calebprime

10th July 2007, 01:47 PM

the fact that he has ignored my polite enquiries says more than the possible beliefs not shared by others. makes me wonder if it is a put on.

No, the way you were going is/was good. Don't stop trying to reach out.

Dancing David

10th July 2007, 02:01 PM

Then there was the time that I was thinking back to the fact that I came from the U.K. and that I do believe in there being a United Kingdom. At the same time I had tapped into numerology and had found that number 56 was related to the numerical value of the word GOD in English. One ( 56 ) basically means one God. GOD = 156 .

Wow cool, numerology, I was into the kabalah for a long time, mainly as a meditation device. And read Crowley a lot. You also hit his two magick numbers.

N(50)+U(6)=56=Nu , egyptian goddess of the night

He also said that Babalon/Babylon was 156 , although I disagree because the N is in a final position(806). I think he liked 156 because it is 12x13, additively it become 62 and then eight, subtractivly it becomes 41 and then 5.

I used to be into Kabalah like I said, god can be 10 or god can be 77. If you use Crowley’s system.

I always liked LIFE being the same as 56 or Nu.
LOVE can be 115 or 52.

But I am not into the numbers anymore.

MINISTERofTRUTH

11th July 2007, 12:05 AM

Concerning what to do, the only answer I have is to start with exposing the truths concerning people who have been tagged with the title Schizophrenic, and others who report that they are under Mind Control.

Without these people being given a chance to share their stories with the public, but remain completely out of view instead, then there is no way in which others can begin to realize, based on what the victims have said, that there is absolutely no way at all that any of the events that have happened to these people could be the result of a mental illness.

For instance, most of the people who claim to be under Mind Control, due to not knowing exactly what it is that they have tapped into and therefore thinking that the source is present within the Relativistic plane of reality rather than the Holistic plane, report that most electronic devices that they own break down for no particular reason, and all do so within a very short time period.

This kind of a complete report is seen by others as nothing but a pile of crap, or if they are reported to others individually, then others simply look at these victims as though they are fools, and then tell them that all equipment breaks down at some time. Again, in both of these cases, those on the Holistic side are making complete fools of these people.

Here is an example of the breakdowns that were thrown at me, and all occurred together within a very short time period. It is to be noted that I have been working in the electronics business since 1976, working as a technician, a technologist, and eventually as an engineer, and so I am not a clumsy person who breaks everything he touches.

The following devices all broke down within a very short time period.

Stereo Headphones
Sony TV
Toaster
Brother Printer
Stereo System Speakers
Power Amplifier
Telephone
Palm m505
Flatbed Scanner
CD Player
DVD Player
VHS Player
486 Computer
Microwave Oven
Car spark plug High voltage xfmr
Portable CD Player
Hand Held Cassette Recorder
2nd Hand Held Cassette Recorder
Bedroom Alarm Clock.
Electric Tooth brush
Electric Shaver
Wrist Watch
Calculator #1 solar powered
Calculator #2 same but battery powered
Twin window Fans
Hitachi Camcorder
and all my high efficiency light bulbs died just days after expiration of the warranty.

Now the probability of this occurring all on its own, therefore without those on the Holistic side having their sick fun, is virtually zero.

It is also to be noted that the devices broke down at times when the use of them was a higher priority than usual, meaning for example, if one wished to record a particular movie but just have not seen it on TV for over a decade, and sure enough now that it pops up and you have a chance to record it, the VHS recorder that you use almost daily, suddenly breaks down.

Or there is the example concerning my stereo speakers that I built 27 years ago. They each have one 15' Woofer, two Midrange speakers, and four Tweeters. Due to the age, the surrounding rubber foam that connects the woofer's 15' cone to the metal frame of the speaker, had begun to turn to dust. It was time to rebuild the speakers by replacing the rubber mounting ring for each woofer. Of course the timing of this problem was an annoyance, and so I said to myself, at least my old Heathkit AA-1506 power amp is still up and going after all of these years. The NEXT DAY, my power amp went up in smoke !

Fortunately I had turned it off prior to any semiconductors being damaged. It turned out to be a disc capacitor whose dielectric insulator between the discs had broken down, and therefore had caused high current arcing which then burnt out a resistor that was in series with this capacitor.

It was on this same day that I had been looking into numerology, and on this day had become aware the the numerical value
for God was 156,
the Greek value for Jesus was 888,
and the value for Prophet Sean was 822.

I opened up the Heathkit Power Amp and found that the printed circuit board part number was 85-156-2.

I jumped into the car and headed off to an electronics store to purchase the electronic components to repair the Amp. I stopped at the first set of traffic lights. The car ahead of me had number 156 as part of the licence plate number, and a van right next to my car had the number 156 in big letters on the side. I made a left turn at the lights and stopped at the next set of lights. The new car that was ahead of me now, had number 156 as part of the licence plate number, and the car right next to it had number 156 as part of its licence plate number as well. While waiting for the green light, I checked my wrist watch to see what the time was to get a rough idea what time I would get to the store. It was 1:56.

I got to the store, and found the replacement for the burnt resistor, and its part number was RAD-156-4. I also found the replacement for the damaged capacitor. The part number was 173-888. I also purchased some speaker covers to cover my 15' Woofers. The total cost for the day was $18.22

I then headed home and picked up the mail as I came into the apartment building. There were bills to pay. So I went straight to the computer and paid my bills via the INTERNET. My new bank balance was now $ 888.00

This was also a hot sticky day, and this reminded me that I needed some new towels, since I felt like I needed to take a shower big time. So I left the apartment, crossed the street, and headed over to Canadian Tire. I then purchased two towels for $15.98, which after PST and GST taxes, totalled to $18.22

Many of the victims are exposed to this kind of game, and are exposed to it on a daily basis. But because this is not classified as a norm, everyone else who this is mentioned to, responds in the same bloody manner of jumping to the wrong conclusions.

In other words, those on the Holistic side, through numerous methods, make it crystal clear that they are running the show, but they bash you to pieces if you try to expose it to others, and make a fool of you at the same time, which is as easy as ever to do since you are surrounded by believers who therefore live within the confinement of a belief system and therefore believe that nothing real exists that lies outside of what they believe.

It reminds of a race car driver. Not that long ago, the fuel used for most race cars was a fuel that burnt without showing any color. It was basically invisible until years later a chemical was added to give it a visible color when it is burning. Anyhow, the driver ended up in a crash and the gas was spilled all over him and his car, and both he and his car were on fire. Meanwhile, there was a guy at the trackside holding a fire extinguisher, who just stood there and did nothing. The driver who was on fire ran over to him and tried to get him to put out the flames. But the guy with the fire extinguisher was a BELIEVER and so when the driver said that he was on fire, the guy with the fire extinguisher did not BELIEVE him but only BELIEVED what he himself BELIEVES. He saw no flames, and so in his small mind, as far as he was concerned, there were no flames. To him, the word of another, doesn't mean jack sh_t. To him, in this case, TRUTH didn't mean jack sh_t.

And so as long as the majority remain closed minded, ignorant, and arrogant, those on the Holistic side will continue to be the bloody butchers that they truly are.

Thanks for you response, but neither your website http://www.outersecrets.com/real/forum_againstum2.htm nor your postings have served to validate your claim that you independently developed:

1) The Lorentz-Fitzgerald Contraction Equation,
2) The Time Dilation Equation,
3) The Lorentz Transformation Equations, and
4) The Velocity addition Equation

By the way, if it is thought that I did not derive these equations as well, and do so on my own, then point out to others where on the INTERNET, or in books, that anyone else on this planet did it in the same way that I did, and anyone else that describes the construct of reality the same way as I have. I have yet to see it described in the way I have, anywhere else !

newlyfound

11th July 2007, 12:53 AM

Maaaaan, are some being woowish or what!!!!!LMAO...ROFL. Please, come back to earth folks. This is your home, you belong here.

slingblade

11th July 2007, 02:05 AM

Oooh, oooh, I have a woowish! I wish all the woos could [rule 8] themselves, and have something to do of a night besides post here!

But you know what they say: if wishes were horses, I'd eat for a week.

Loss Leader

11th July 2007, 06:20 AM

MoT - Please call your family and ask for help today.

Dancing David

11th July 2007, 06:37 AM

MINISTERofTRUTH

12th July 2007, 01:16 AM

Hello David.

Something that I had not yet mentioned on this thread, is that I sent E-mails to all specialists that could be found on the INTERNET, that specialize in statistical analysis of Bible Codes, and all of them did not even bother to spend more than a few seconds to look at my Bible Code pages.

From this I will assume that it is due to the single word known as " SCHIZOPHRENIA " being present in big letters at the top of each web page.

People in general, are so small minded that the subject at hand is often judged by extensively basing such judgement upon something which is off to the side of the subject itself, hence the " BIBLE CODES " ( SUBJECT ) is rejected due to the sideline word " SCHIZOPHRENIA ".

To give you an example of just how powerful an effect this has on people, the following is an experiment that was performed on several doctors.

Four healthy intellectual people and four doctors were chosen. The four people, two men and two women, were told to dress as follows.

1) Man , dressed in business clothes.
2) Woman , dressed in business clothes.
3) Man , dressed in casual clothes.
4) Woman , dressed in casual clothes.

Each person was given an identical script of the exact symptoms they were to inform their assigned doctor about. They were told to memorize it perfectly word for word.

Persons ( 1 ) and ( 2 ) were also told to speak in a monotone voice.
Persons ( 3 ) and ( 4 ) were also told to speak in an emotional multi-tone voice.

However, I say it again, each intellectual was giving their doctor the exact same information.

The results were amazing. The responses from the four doctors were as follows.

Patient #1 ) There is nothing physically apparent, but I recommend further tests to find the source of the problem.
Patient #2 ) There is nothing physically apparent. Come back again if the problem persists.
Patient #3 ) There is absolutely nothing wrong with you.
Patient #4 ) What you are madam, is a Hypochondriac.

And so, the sideline info, meaning how they are dressed, how they speak, and their gender, became major components used by the doctors to judge the patients physical health.

This means that if you have a specific physical problem, and it is dragging you down so much that you look like hell, which is why your clothes are a mess, and the problem is so bad that it is beyond mere words, hence it triggers an emotional display, then you are now screwed because as far as the doctor is concerned, you are nothing but a Hypochondriac.

However, if your problem is minuscule, and therefore you are speaking in a monotone voice and are looking as spiffy as ever, then your petty little problem will be seen to, and seen to right away.

But it gets even worse.

I sent some E-mails to a professor in my home town. He is also a specialist when it comes to statistical analysis of Bible Codes. In fact he has written several books about Bible Codes. His response was negative, and so I said that it might save millions of lives, and his response to that was...

Dear K. Sean Proudler,

I am not interested in saving millions of lives.

Sincerely,

Dror Bar-Natan.

And so in this case it was not only a negative response to the " Bible Codes " due to the sideline word " SCHIZOPHRENIA ", but the word seemed to be soooooooo powerful that in this man's mind it shot down the importance of millions of lives.

I MEAN WOW !

Is that powerful or what ?

You know what, I bet by association with the sideline word " SCHIZOPHRENIA ", you could bury any TRUTHS that you would want to bury, and as many MILLIONS of lives as would want to bury, and all this since people react to this particular sideline word soooooooooo predictably !

What a coincidence, this is exactly the point I have been making all along !

calebprime

12th July 2007, 06:25 AM

I'm the one who wrote the tags for this thread. If I knew how to remove the word 'schizophrenia' I would. If you request it, I'll ask the mods. I put the tag on there because you have expressed an opinion on the subject on other sites. So let me know if you want me to ask to have it removed. It's probably do-able, I don't know.

I agree with DD that you can give less energy to your enemies.

You can also focus on things that give you pleasure. You're good at electronics, right?

As for the reaction Dror Bar-Natan gave you, he was curt but at least he was honest. I suggest to you that with someone like him, you have to express an interest in his work. What he wants is to talk about himself and his interests. He's not prepared for a project like saving lives.

This brings me to my last point for the day: A lot of what goes on in the world is self-interest, incompetence, coincidences, laziness, and good old vices. We live in something like an Idiocracy, not a conspiracy, I think.

Find some friends, people you can trust, and try to do the things you enjoy.

And keep walking, or other exercising. (Weights can be good, too. Just don't overdo it.)

Loss Leader

12th July 2007, 06:27 AM

People in general, are so small minded that the subject at hand is often judged by extensively basing such judgement upon something which is off to the side of the subject itself, hence the " BIBLE CODES " ( SUBJECT ) is rejected due to the sideline word " SCHIZOPHRENIA ".

Since you understand, MoT, that how your message is presented is as important as what your message says, one would think that you would try to tailor your message to make it as easy to understand as possible.

Instead, you purposefully obscure it. You write "Schizophrenia" on your pages knowing it will drive people away. You talk about the problems of getting your message out instead of just telling us your message.

Again in this post, you claim millions are dying but you do not explain what we can do to stop it.

People with mental illnesses will often construct quite elaborate delusions and justifications to explain to themselves why the rest of the world thinks they are unwell. One gentleman I knew insisted that he was undercover with the CIA investigating abuses at the psychiatric hospital. In one heartbreaking case, a man I knew refused to be in the same room as his mother because she was hypnotising him to act psychotic. (She went to sit in the waiting room for eight hours every day for years until she passed away.)

Allow me to suggest that the chance that everyone is wrong but you is very, very small. Your brain might be generating excuses so as not to confront the fact that you are sick. Medications (some of which we both know you have already been on) may help you feel more in control. Please call your family and ask for help today.

Loss Leader

12th July 2007, 06:29 AM

I'm the one who wrote the tags for this thread. If I knew how to remove the word 'schizophrenia' I would.

Fixed by your friendly, neighborhood tagger.

calebprime

12th July 2007, 06:31 AM

thanks, LL.

MINISTERofTRUTH

12th July 2007, 07:53 AM

People with mental illnesses will often construct quite elaborate delusions and justifications to explain to themselves why the rest of the world thinks they are unwell. One gentleman I knew insisted that he was undercover with the CIA investigating abuses at the psychiatric hospital. In one heartbreaking case, a man I knew refused to be in the same room as his mother because she was hypnotising him to act psychotic. (She went to sit in the waiting room for eight hours every day for years until she passed away.)

Allow me to suggest that the chance that everyone is wrong but you is very, very small. Your brain might be generating excuses so as not to confront the fact that you are sick. Medications (some of which we both know you have already been on) may help you feel more in control. Please call your family and ask for help today.

The CIA, FBI, and Alien beliefs that many victims have is not the result of their imagination, but is the result of their minds being messed with by those on the Holistic side of reality, such that the general reaction toward them is exactly as your is.

This is all to do with the intended division of reality. As spoken of in the Bible, the idea was to create a new world and a new heaven. To do so, the old world has to literally be split into two new worlds in which one is worse than the original, and the other is better. If the complete truth concerning the original world is known of by all, then you would literally have to split the minds of everyone when sending some off to one world, and the remainder to the other.

Once again, because we are not speaking of this in deep religious terms, the idea of the creation of a new world is immediately classified as insane. But if I was in a church and was speaking of it there, then this rejection would not occur at all. That is what I define as a behaviour of absolute madness, since the exact same words could be used in both cases, yet these words are only accepted if I also happen to be standing within a church at the time.

Anyhow, the prevention of access to complete truths becomes part of the package such that the plan can follow through. Unfortunately, that also means that the plan can be set to work in reverse in which the good guys and galls end up in the negative world, and the bad guys and galls end up in the positive world. That is what is being attempted at this very moment.

To make it happen, they need people jump to conclusions rather than seek the truth. Without truth seekers, they stand every chance of success.

As long as this world is populated with complete idiots, like the doctors whose insane behaviour I had described on my previous post, then hope = Zero.

Yes I am to blame when it comes to the fact that I had the word " SCHIZOPHRENIA " displayed on my web site, but when it is the major component in what is being presented, that being the complete truth, then it would be very very very very very very very very very impossible to present the complete truth by presenting only a mere fragment of it.

Yes, peoples rejection of the truth is a very depressing thing for me. The only other fellow I know of at this time that respects truths, is Stephen Lewis. I heard him just recently giving a speech. He was practically in tears when he was discussing the madness of human ignorance, arrogance, and overall blindness when it comes to global concerns. He is well aware that for the majority, the rule is, as long the problem is not your problem, then it doesn't even exist, or it is only what you choose to think it is, and that it's all their fault, and that they are the ones to blame.

The man thinks in a global scale rather than being a typical self centred person. And so to him, the obviousness is obvious, while to the others, it does not even exist.

He does not know that it is those on the Holistic side that have most of mankind running around in circles like the horses on a race track. There they are going in circles, not even knowing that they are going in circles, due to them wearing blinders that keep them only aware of what is directly in front of them, such as that which directly concerns them, and only them.

My heart felt his emotions when had finished his speech with redness in his eyes expressing anger and tears simultaneously.

calebprime

12th July 2007, 08:06 AM

...

Yes, peoples rejection of the truth is a very depressing thing for me. The only other fellow I know of at this time that respects truths, is Stephen Lewis. I heard him just recently giving a speech. He was practically in tears when he was discussing the madness of human ignorance, arrogance, and overall blindness when it comes to global concerns. He is well aware that for the majority, the rule is, as long the problem is not your problem, then it doesn't even exist, or it is only what you choose to think it is, and that it's all their fault, and that they are the ones to blame.

The man thinks in a global scale rather than being a typical self centred person. And so to him, the obviousness is obvious, while to the others, it does not even exist.

...

My heart felt his emotions when had finished his speech with redness in his eyes expressing anger and tears simultaneously.

http://www.thelavinagency.com/canada/stephenlewis.html

Is this the guy?

Loss Leader

12th July 2007, 08:51 AM

Anyhow, the prevention of access to complete truths becomes part of the package such that the plan can follow through. Unfortunately, that also means that the plan can be set to work in reverse in which the good guys and galls end up in the negative world, and the bad guys and galls end up in the positive world. That is what is being attempted at this very moment.

MoT - how far away is your closest family member? How long has it been since you've spoken with family? Please call them and ask for help today.

MINISTERofTRUTH

12th July 2007, 11:47 AM

http://www.thelavinagency.com/canada/stephenlewis.html

Is this the guy?

That's the one !

MoT - how far away is your closest family member? How long has it been since you've spoken with family? Please call them and ask for help today.

Sorry, closed mindedness is just not my thing since it leads nowhere but to the maintenance of lack of progress.

Throughout my life, I have always chosen to move forward, not backwards, nor remain in neutral !

But that does remind me of something funny. William Shakespeare created thousands of new words. So what you say !

Today, those who choose to behave an believe and obey the way they are told to behave and believe and obey, are also those who agree with the psychiatrists who say that the creation of new words is symptom of Schizophrenia.

In other words what is being said is that, if you too do not choose to bring the intellectual growth of mankind to a complete halt, as do the others, then you are a Schizophrenic.

D'rok

12th July 2007, 12:10 PM

In other words what is being said is that, if you too do not choose to bring the intellectual growth of mankind to a complete halt, as do the others, then you are a Schizophrenic.

Is it possible to advance the intellectual growth of mankind and not be considered schizophrenic? Put another way, have all people who have advanced the intellectual growth of mankind been what we would call schizophrenic?

Here's a really, really short list:

Plato
Aristotle
Augustine
Newton
Darwin
Einstein

If they were alive today, would we label them as schizophrenics? Or would we simply recognize their brilliance.

Loss Leader

12th July 2007, 12:17 PM

Newton

I don't know about Isaac Newton but I had an Uncle Newton who was a little off.

MINISTERofTRUTH

12th July 2007, 12:32 PM

Is it possible to advance the intellectual growth of mankind and not be considered schizophrenic? Put another way, have all people who have advanced the intellectual growth of mankind been what we would call schizophrenic?

Here's a really, really short list:

Plato
Aristotle
Augustine
Newton
Darwin
Einstein

If they were alive today, would we label them as schizophrenics? Or would we simply recognize their brilliance.

They would be recognized for their brilliance. This is necessary to maintain a halt in the intellectual growth of mankind.

As long as such a privileged is confined to a very small percentage of mankind, then the job is done.

Wings

12th July 2007, 12:41 PM

Sorry, closed mindedness is just not my thing since it leads nowhere but to the maintenance of lack of progress.

How is this close-minded?

skeptifem

12th July 2007, 01:05 PM

The CIA, FBI, and Alien beliefs that many victims have is not the result of their imagination, but is the result of their minds being messed with by those on the Holistic side of reality, such that the general reaction toward them is exactly as your is.

Drugs and therapy do work to get rid of the delusions for many people. Based on that I am forced to conclude that the cause of those delusions are mental illness and not beings on the holistic side of reality.

supercorgi

12th July 2007, 01:39 PM

MoT, I am very sorry that you are in pain, and that you are frustrated. But you are suffering from paranoid delusions. You are focusing exclusively on the negative things in your life and every negative thing you perceive just reinforces your delusion. Please, please, please get competent psychiatric advice and please get on medication. This condition can be helped. You need to focus on what's good and satisfying in your life and get your thoughts under control. Medication can help give you the control and focus that you need. If you don't do this, you're just going to sink further and further into this fantasy world and your life will be more miserable. I hope that someday you can see through the fog of your fears and reach out to someone who can help.

D'rok

12th July 2007, 01:44 PM

They would be recognized for their brilliance. This is necessary to maintain a halt in the intellectual growth of mankind.

As long as such a privileged is confined to a very small percentage of mankind, then the job is done.

Isn't brilliance by definition confined to a very small percentage of mankind? If everyone is brilliant, no one is brilliant.

These exceptional few and others like them have been responsible for advancing the intellectual growth of mankind - do you not agree?. They were the exceptional few compared to their contemporaries as well. Are you saying that intellectual growth is no longer possible, even if a modern day Plato appeared amongst us and we recognize him as a brilliant thinker?

When did this schism occur?

Anacoluthon64

12th July 2007, 10:30 PM

… psychiatrists who say that the creation of new words is symptom of Schizophrenia.Schizophrastia n. Making up new words, esp. with multiple meanings; very common in young children.

'Luthon64

MINISTERofTRUTH

12th July 2007, 11:31 PM

MoT, I am very sorry that you are in pain, and that you are frustrated. But you are suffering from paranoid delusions.

Certainty of this nature, creates a barrier. You reach a conclusive certainty without having the facts to support the certainty. To do so, you must add defectiveness as a component of the equation that you use to achieve certainty.

The religious folk speak of a place where they will go after they die. Now if there is a place you go to after death, then it exists. If it exists, and you are to go there, then the " there " is connected to the here. If not, then there would be no connection between the two, and thus there would be no allowance to move from one to the other.

When you move from one to the other, your mind moves from the one to the other.

However, if your mind focuses upon truths, rather than be restricted from having direct contact with truths by choosing to be confined within the barriers of belief systems, then the mind itself can grow and expand to the point that it too can reach from the here to the " there ".

This is simply because the here and the " there " are both components of the complete truth.

A mind whose size restricts it to being in contact with only the here, therefore is a mind that clearly is not in contact with the complete truth.

Therefore, such a mind has no right to practise certainty. However, due to the mind being incomplete, it believes it has such a right, thanks to flaws that appear as the result of incompleteness.

And so, one whose mind is incomplete, yet practises certainty ex. " you are suffering from paranoid delusions", is one who is in a Delusional state of mind.

GroundStrength

13th July 2007, 06:03 AM

MoT, if you know the complete truth isn't it completely possible that it is YOU who is affecting the relativistic side of your reality...holistically?

Loss Leader

13th July 2007, 06:34 AM

Certainty of this nature, creates a barrier ... And so, one whose mind is incomplete, yet practises certainty ex. " you are suffering from paranoid delusions", is one who is in a Delusional state of mind.

MoT - What you have just written is gibberish. Your mind unspooled it to protect you from having to face the sad fact that you cannot cope with reality.

You know this.

You know that you are unable to work. You know that you are estranged from your family. You know that there was a time when you took medication and that the medication made you feel better.

Please call someone you trust and ask for help today.

skeptifem

13th July 2007, 08:55 AM

MoT- this isnt the first time members of jref have told someone it might be time for some psychological help, or at least an evaluation. Its nothing personal against you or your ideas about reality. people here are just concerned for your well being based on your posts, thats the bottom line. I bet people in your life are worried about you too. This is much more about people caring about you than it is about your opinions. Just try to keep that in mind when you consider getting evaluated.

MINISTERofTRUTH

13th July 2007, 10:12 AM

Mot - What you have just written is gibberish. Your mind unspoiled it to protect you from having to face the sad fact that you cannot cope with reality.

What you have written, is gibberish.

What I have written, may be way over your head.

People can be so foolish that they think that they can judge a person based upon the data that travels across a piece of string. In other words, some people tend to think that they can see into someone else's mind via a piece of string.

Picture your typical verbal communication with your psychiatrist. Now picture it with him in one room and you in another. To communicate, you each have a paper cup, and these cups are connected to each other via a piece of string. With the string pulled tight, you can hear his words, and he can hear yours.

Now is it logical to say that he can see into the depth of your mind via that piece of string ?

Verbal / Text communication when used as a form of vision to look into the depth of someone else's mind, is overrated !

When people use it to come to a conclusion and then proceed to destroy someone else's life by suddenly classifying them as Psychotic and Delusional, be it intensional or not, it still serves the purpose of destroying the entire validity of someones else's every single word spoken by them from that point onward.

In other words, it is no less powerful than having blown the others person brains out with a bullet. In fact, blowing the person's brains out, would be far less cruel than having created a bloody cruel prison just for that person, a prison that will never vanish from then onward.

But this is a perfect illustration of absolute stupidity.

Do you recall the Watergate scandal ?

Mrs. Mitchell was the wife of John Mitchell, Attorney-General in the Nixon administration. She claimed that White House officials were engaged in illegal activities. Her claims were then immediately attributed to being the sole outcome of nothing but a mental illness. Conclusive certainty was clearly put to full use.

However, when facts of the Watergate scandal were exposed, once again conclusive certainty was put to full use. But get this, this is really incredible. Once the facts were exposed that proved that the White House officials truly were engaged in illegal activities, Martha Mitchell was suddenly and completely cured of her mental illness within a second.

One may as well put in these words, because no psychiatrist or psychologist was ever classified as being mentally ill after having classified Martha Mitchell as mentally ill even though she was not.

In other words, the door swings only one way !

Today, the Martha Mitchell Effect is described as the process by which a psychiatrist, psychologist, or other mental health clinician mistakes the patient's perception of real events as delusional, and diagnoses accordingly.

That makes me laugh. What it truly means, is that the psychiatrist, psychologist, or other mental health clinician, is delusional, and thus incorrectly perceives the patient's report of real events, and diagnoses the patient as delusional rather than his or herself.

But like I said, this doesn't happen, because even today in the 21st century, the door still only swings one way !

MoT, if you know the complete truth isn't it completely possible that it is YOU who is affecting the relativistic side of your reality...holistically?

The effect is global. Watch how it effects Loss Leader.

GroundStrength

13th July 2007, 11:43 AM

The effect is global. Watch how it effects Loss Leader.

From this comment I think that you have misunderstood me.

What I meant was have you become one of "those" on the affecting things from the holistic side? So that you are now causing all of these things to happen to you. Perhaps if you focus on good things for you and others you will cause holistic goodness!

The idea of an entity being able to percieve time as a single unit is interesting though. Much like the difference between pointland, lineland, flatland and spaceland in Edwin A Abbott's Flatland

Loss Leader

13th July 2007, 12:29 PM

Today, the Martha Mitchell Effect is described as the process by which a psychiatrist, psychologist, or other mental health clinician mistakes the patient's perception of real events as delusional, and diagnoses accordingly.

MoT - you are essentially right in your description of the Martha Mitchell Effect, however I want to assure you that I make no judgment about you based on your description of reality. The fact that you describe a holistic plane that can interfere with this one is NOT the reason I believe you are ill. Your factual assertions are NOT what I am focussed on when assessing your health.

Instead, I have been watching the way you process information. You are incapable of answering a direct question. I asked you simple, direct questiosn six times and you could not give a response. Your posts are excessively long. Your thoughts meander and are only loosely connected to each other. You are preoccupied with thoughts of persecution.

Even your last post demonstrates this:

People can be so foolish that they think that they can judge a person based upon the data that travels across a piece of string.

You were thinking about poor communication and it caused an association with two children talking through coffee cans. You were unable to supress this thought and you were forced by your illness to say it out loud.

Once you had, you then struggled to connect it to your point:

Picture your typical verbal communication with your psychiatrist. Now picture it with him in one room and you in another. To communicate, you each have a paper cup, and these cups are connected to each other via a piece of string. With the string pulled tight, you can hear his words, and he can hear yours. Now is it logical to say that he can see into the depth of your mind via that piece of string ?

These two ideas are unrelated. Could the psychiatrist see into the depth of your mind any better if he were in the same room? Your point is that no one can know your mind based on verbal communication. The "string" aspect is superfluous.

Part of you knows this. That's why you just abandoned the string altogether in your next sentence:

Verbal / Text communication when used as a form of vision to look into the depth of someone else's mind, is overrated !

See, it's not what you think, it's the way you think that concerns me. You are obviously very, very sick. Medicines have improved since the last time you were on them. And you may not even have to go away to a hospital.

Call your family and ask for help today.

MINISTERofTRUTH

14th July 2007, 03:34 AM

MoT - you are essentially right in your description of the Martha Mitchell Effect, however ........

Have you ever thought of being a comedian ?

The way you distort, twist, and deny truths, is hilarious.

This, if applied to comedy, could be quite profitable for you.

MINISTERofTRUTH

14th July 2007, 03:35 AM

From this comment I think that you have misunderstood me.

What I meant was have you become one of "those" on the affecting things from the holistic side? So that you are now causing all of these things to happen to you. Perhaps if you focus on good things for you and others you will cause holistic goodness!

The idea of an entity being able to perceive time as a single unit is interesting though. Much like the difference between pointland, lineland, flatland and spaceland in Edwin A Abbott's Flatland

knowing Loss Leaders behaviour, I just had to throw in a joke, since that day had been a real downer for me.

Focusing on good things is my true nature. Unfortunately it is my opponents intent to destroy all truly deserved good things. As the result of this, every time I face the good, I end up being pounded for doing what is right.

This gets a lot of the victims very confused. You may have heard about some of the so called " Schizophrenics " claiming to be being persecuted. First of all, these people are innocent people to begin with. Like I have said, to tap into the second plane of reality, the Holistic plane, your mind has to be focused upon truths, since the Holistic plane is also part of the complete reality and therefore part of the complete truth. A mind that is a liar's mind, does not face the truth. A believer's mind does not face the truth, for it chooses to face beliefs rather than face truths. But these victims do face the truth, and therefore unlike believers, they have to be able to handle the truth rather than avoid it by being a believer instead. To prevent such a handling, the opposition from the Holistic side tries to confuse the living daylights out of these truthful and honest people, these victims.

This is where this persecution comes into the picture.

5 people in this reality of ours, were once accused and then convinced of being guilty of murder. This convincing was done so by police officers. Years later however, DNA evidence, and more, proved that each of these 5 people were not connected to the murder case at all. They were then set free.

Here we have a case of a mere human mind convincing another of something that did not actually occur. In the case of those being persecuted, the victims are being convinced to having been guilty, and done so by minds that are of a scale that is basically infinite in size and that have an infinite magnitude of intellect.

Now what adds the confusion as these innocent victims are being accused of being guilty, is the fact that even though they then try to be as holy as holy can be, in natural response to the previous accusations such that the present torment will come to a stop, they are then tormented to an even greater degree. And so they are accused of being bad, and then punished for being good. All this is mixed and churned up with the victim also being exposed to power that surpasses anything that anyone can be exposed to here on the Relativistic side of reality alone.

The goal of those on the Holistic side, is to perform a wrongful act, and then have the complete blame for it placed upon someone else. Once the victim is convinced to being responsible for the negative act, whatever it may be, all punishment is directed toward the victim instead.

The overall goal is to collect as many forms of these redirected blames as possible, such that the truly guilty can therefore perform any self benefiting wrongful act, without ever having to account for such a crime. On the grand scale of things, this redirecting means the receiving of eternal benefits for the committing of eternal crimes.

The next step is the easy step of convincing believers that those on Holistic side, the guilty, are the innocent, and that the victims, the innocent, are the guilty. I say that this is the easy part because believers are not attached to truths, and so it is child's play to convince them of absolutely anything but the truth.

And so, if I do not do something that you would expect me to be doing, it does not at all mean that I have not put out 100% continuous effort to do so. These efforts were usually suffice enough an effort to actually be life threatening. This is why it is very annoying when people respond by saying do this and do that you fool.

People underestimate the cunning acts of those on the Holistic side, before even knowing of them, or accepting them as real.

If a so called " Schizophrenic " is found dead on his or her bed, and the bed is filthy, and the person looks filthy, and the person's body shows signs of having been bitten by bugs prior to death, then it is the natural response of others to say that this person was unable to take care of themselves hygienically, nor to take car of their house or apartment, and so they basically look at the body and shake the heads.

In truth however, in a period of one month, such a victim probably put out more effort to be clean and organized, than the average person would put out in a period of 3 - 4 years.

Like I said, the goal of those on the Holistic side is to completely bury truths. Now since it is those who are closest to the complete truths who become victims of those on the Holistic side, you must understand that ALL TRUTHS of which these victims are tied to, must therefore be buried from the view of all others. It therefore become necessary for you to be forced, by those on the holistic side, to draw the wrong conclusion as you look at that dead body or any other living victim whose physical appearance is so poor.

In no way do I wish to exclude the saving of millions of innocent lives, and the prevention of the practise of eternal wrongfulness, form my list of focusing on good things.

Dancing David

15th July 2007, 11:46 AM

Hello David.

Something that I had not yet mentioned on this thread, is that I sent E-mails to all specialists that could be found on the INTERNET, that specialize in statistical analysis of Bible Codes, and all of them did not even bother to spend more than a few seconds to look at my Bible Code pages.

From this I will assume that it is due to the single word known as " SCHIZOPHRENIA " being present in big letters at the top of each web page.

People in general, are so small minded that the subject at hand is often judged by extensively basing such judgement upon something which is off to the side of the subject itself, hence the " BIBLE CODES " ( SUBJECT ) is rejected due to the sideline word " SCHIZOPHRENIA ".

To give you an example of just how powerful an effect this has on people, the following is an experiment that was performed on several doctors.

Four healthy intellectual people and four doctors were chosen. The four people, two men and two women, were told to dress as follows.

1) Man , dressed in business clothes.
2) Woman , dressed in business clothes.
3) Man , dressed in casual clothes.
4) Woman , dressed in casual clothes.

Each person was given an identical script of the exact symptoms they were to inform their assigned doctor about. They were told to memorize it perfectly word for word.

Persons ( 1 ) and ( 2 ) were also told to speak in a monotone voice.
Persons ( 3 ) and ( 4 ) were also told to speak in an emotional multi-tone voice.

However, I say it again, each intellectual was giving their doctor the exact same information.

The results were amazing. The responses from the four doctors were as follows.

Patient #1 ) There is nothing physically apparent, but I recommend further tests to find the source of the problem.
Patient #2 ) There is nothing physically apparent. Come back again if the problem persists.
Patient #3 ) There is absolutely nothing wrong with you.
Patient #4 ) What you are madam, is a Hypochondriac.

And so, the sideline info, meaning how they are dressed, how they speak, and their gender, became major components used by the doctors to judge the patients physical health.

This means that if you have a specific physical problem, and it is dragging you down so much that you look like hell, which is why your clothes are a mess, and the problem is so bad that it is beyond mere words, hence it triggers an emotional display, then you are now screwed because as far as the doctor is concerned, you are nothing but a Hypochondriac.

However, if your problem is minuscule, and therefore you are speaking in a monotone voice and are looking as spiffy as ever, then your petty little problem will be seen to, and seen to right away.

But it gets even worse.

I sent some E-mails to a professor in my home town. He is also a specialist when it comes to statistical analysis of Bible Codes. In fact he has written several books about Bible Codes. His response was negative, and so I said that it might save millions of lives, and his response to that was...

And so in this case it was not only a negative response to the " Bible Codes " due to the sideline word " SCHIZOPHRENIA ", but the word seemed to be soooooooo powerful that in this man's mind it shot down the importance of millions of lives.

I MEAN WOW !

Is that powerful or what ?

You know what, I bet by association with the sideline word " SCHIZOPHRENIA ", you could bury any TRUTHS that you would want to bury, and as many MILLIONS of lives as would want to bury, and all this since people react to this particular sideline word soooooooooo predictably !

What a coincidence, this is exactly the point I have been making all along !

Beleifs that aren't shared by others are not always caused by psychosis, and unfortunately the label of psychosis has negative conotations. I knew a guy who could diagnose your car's problem just by talking to you, about seventy five percent of the time. Having schizophrenia was not a detriment to his abilities.

As I said , there are ways to not divert your energy.

I always liked the quote by Crowley "You can shout the truth from the roof tops and people still won'y listen."

Something like 13 million children die every year from preventable causes.

MINISTERofTRUTH

15th July 2007, 12:45 PM

Beliefs that aren't shared by others are not always caused by psychosis, and unfortunately the label of psychosis has negative connotations. I knew a guy who could diagnose your car's problem just by talking to you, about seventy five percent of the time. Having schizophrenia was not a detriment to his abilities.

As I said , there are ways to not divert your energy.

I always liked the quote by Crowley "You can shout the truth from the roof tops and people still won't listen."

Something like 13 million children die every year from preventable causes.

So true !

What really bugs me is that the bigger the truth, the smaller it becomes.

A spouse dies. Times are bad.
The next day on the news, 200,000 people died as tsunami wave hits hard.
The effect this has on the person will not be 200,000 times as great as the effect of the spouses death had been, in fact it will be less.

Therefore 1 x 200,000 = <1

In short, a 1 to 1 scale of truth is simple not to be seen, thus complete truth is not to be seen !

Thus if a grand grand grand grand scale emergency crops up, it becomes nothing at all.

Loss Leader

15th July 2007, 01:14 PM

Have you ever thought of being a comedian ?

The way you distort, twist, and deny truths, is hilarious.

This, if applied to comedy, could be quite profitable for you.

You are absolutely right. I was a comedian for many years. You are very perceptive.

DRBUZZ0

15th July 2007, 03:17 PM

A few quotes come to mind....

“If you can’t explain it simply, you don’t understand it well enough.”
~Albert Einstein

“One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.”
~Nikola Tesla
(I believe that in his earlier days, before he got into the death rays and mars communications)

“Never express yourself more clearly than you are able to think.”
~Niels Bohr
(well, that doesn't seem to be a problem)

Dancing David

15th July 2007, 07:26 PM

When people use it to come to a conclusion and then proceed to destroy someone else's life by suddenly classifying them as Psychotic and Delusional, be it intensional or not, it still serves the purpose of destroying the entire validity of someones else's every single word spoken by them from that point onward.

I am sorry but I have to disagree with that. It is not the label that destroys a person's life. I have known many people who acknowledged their delusions as such and felt that they were not in synch with other people's reality.

And you know what it didn't bother them at all, they lived productive meaningful lives and do the things that they want to do.

The label doesn't destroy anybody. I just have to disagree with that.

I have to say that the reason people disagree with you is not because of the label, it is because they disagree with your ideas and standard of evidence.

I am sorry MoT but I have seen people who were miserable because they heard mean voices, they were miserable because they had paranoid delusions, they were miserable because of the events they went through. And you know what they didn't even have the diagnosis of schizophrenia, they were miserable because of the way their life was.

It is dodging accountability and personal responsibility to say that it is a label that has ruined your life. Most people who feel that they have a diagnosis of a major mental illness don't shove it in other people's faces.

If they do than they accept the consequences of their choices.

There is the strong possibility that your hypothesis is correct about the events that have occurred to you. But the evidence you present is only meaningful to you and others will disagree with it. People who you claim to be like, and I believe that you are, they go ahead and they get the objective evidence that they need, they use double blind studies, they use strong protocols to demonstrate that their hypothesis is supported by strong objective evidence.

Have you done that? Have you really provided evidence that shows is a clear and objective way that your hypothesis is true. If not than perhaps you need to brush up on your research protocols and get to work.

Bring us some strong double blinded research, use controls to judge the confounding factors.

Please don't just sit there and blame it on the labeling by other people, do the work.

Einstein did a tremendous amount of work, I mean truly amazing , as did Bohr, Pauli and the hordes of others who were derided by their peers. But because they did the work they were able to demonstrate that the evidence supported their theories.

So perhaps some time on the soap box is good but you need to decide something:

How can you demonstrate to yourself and others that your hypothesis is correct?

In other words, it is no less powerful than having blown the others person brains out with a bullet.

Sorry but that is just crap, pure and simple. have you even heard of recovery, what have you really done to lead a meaningful life? Sitting somewhere talking to people about how you are misunderstood is not what someone with a great mind would do to be effective. they would take care of themselves and they would do the work to prove that they were right.

In fact, blowing the person's brains out, would be far less cruel than having created a bloody cruel prison just for that person, a prison that will never vanish from then onward.

More crap. I was raped by a stranger when I was six, I was also abused by my family, I have had addictions and been majorley depressed with panic attacks and OCD, sitting there feeling that the world has done me wrong did not get me health. I had to work for it.

It is not the label that has you in a prison, it is your behaviors, or it is the symptoms of an illness. Whichever you choose is up to you.

But blaming the label is crap, you don't have to go to the hospital if you don't threaten yourself and other people.

You have made your prison through your choices, the beings on the holistic plane may or may not make your life miserable, but What the Fred have you done about it. Do you take care of yourself? Do you exercise everyday and eat a healthy diet. Do you have a social life that involves meeting people and talking to them about anything other than the holistic plane.

have you gone to school to learn the math to understand how to say what you want to say.

have you done the work?

Have you even tried to recover.

You make your choices, and you have the consequences of them. that is not the fault of a doctor or any system, you live your life! What are YOU doing about it!

You are the worst stigmatize for not getting over it, if you don't have schizophrenia THAN GET OVER IT!

I have freaking met people dying of cancer who had to live in a cardboard box, and they tried to get on with their life. They didn't sit there and piss and moan about it, they knew it was unfair and that social security was unfair to them, but they knew they had to take care of themselves.

What are you doing to get on with yours?

Dancing David

15th July 2007, 07:43 PM

So true !

What really bugs me is that the bigger the truth, the smaller it becomes.

A spouse dies. Times are bad.
The next day on the news, 200,000 people died as tsunami wave hits hard.
The effect this has on the person will not be 200,000 times as great as the effect of the spouses death had been, in fact it will be less.

Therefore 1 x 200,000 = <1

In short, a 1 to 1 scale of truth is simple not to be seen, thus complete truth is not to be seen !

Thus if a grand grand grand grand scale emergency crops up, it becomes nothing at all.

Not true at all, you show a real lack of compassion by saying that.

The loss felt is always related to the attachment to the object loss. it would be absurd to say that someone should feel 200,000 times more over the loss of 200,000 people over the loss of one. The horror of the trauma like that numbs the mind that is the truth.
I was shocked and upset for days, before I even knew my brother was in Thailand at the time.

13 million children MoT that is 13,000,000. Now that is truly a trauma, and that doesn't even touch the number of women who are traumatized in intimate partner violence.

When I worry about that stuff, I do something about it. I worked in a DV shelter, I try to get politicians to stop throwing money away down the rat hole of warfare. I work with emotionally disturbed kids so that they can have a normal life. I do something about it.

Actions speak louder than words, that is the truth MoT.

What are you doing about this tragedy you complain of, have your even taken care of your self? What have you done to change your life?

How is your hypoglycemia?

Have you ever tried to actually help someone who thinks they have schizophrenia? Or do you just scare them worse by telling them about the horror story of your won life.

How many friends do you have MoT and what have you done to be a friend? What meaningful and important activities do you engage in.

If you really believe that there is a holistic plane than you will have to do the work, you will have to be the one to do it. You haven't given any real evidence yet that could not be explained through other factors.

If you want to understand the physics of your theory than you are the one who has to do the work.

That means math, that means chemistry, that means physics.

Einstein did not sit at a computer screen demanding that the world listen to him, he did the work. He pretty much invented something called tensor calculus along the way.

Live a life, get the help to heal the trauma, take care of your self, get some friends , go out and do the work!