A Thread Celebrating the Victory of the Left over the Right on JREF.

[a_unique_person]

This thread has been started to celebrate the triumph of those supporting lefty type politics over those of the right.

Join in one and all for this great victory.

JK = Not a Team Player.
Troll = Retired Hurt
Hammegk = Dropped for poor performance
Tony = Hmmmm, Much to Learn Have You.
Rikzilla = A stolid trier, but his best days are past him.

[The Fool]

Hmmmmm.....
been at the cooking sherry again A_U_P? ;)

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by The Fool
Hmmmmm.....
been at the cooking sherry again A_U_P? ;)

No, the Altar Wine.

Hmmmm, altar wine.

[Zep]

Seig Heil, AUP!

:D :D :D

[corplinx]

Originally posted by a_unique_person
This thread has been started to celebrate the triumph of those supporting lefty type politics over those of the right.

Join in one and all for this great victory.


"To be the man, you have to beat the man. " -Nature Boy Ric Flair


You aren't the man yet AUP. Wooooooooo!

[Tmy]

First they came for Jedi Knight........ and I said nothing, CAUSE I WAS GLAD TO SEE HIM GO.

[Samus]

I'm still here.

Although, I'm not the typical right-winger, and I don't have time to post 14 times a day like AUP does, so I'd lose just on the basis of not having the time to argue.

It was like trying to argue with Franko, I'd have to post every twenty minutes to keep up with the guy, and I have a job with actual work to do (sometimes), so it's tough to get in to a lot of these threads.

[Mr Manifesto]

I think this thread should be entitled, "The Triumph of Australia over America". To see us post you'd think all Aussies thought alike.

Out with the old:
http://www.esquilax.com/flag/flagburn.gif

In with the new:

:au:

:p

[rikzilla]

:dr: ...your board has been taken over by the lefties!
:re:
:rm:
Randi replies:
Dear Rick.

I know....that's why I gave you one of these:
:bs:

Use it well!

-Randi




:dl:

[KelvinG]

Originally posted by Mr Manifesto
I think this thread should be entitled, "The Triumph of Australia over America". To see us post you'd think all Aussies thought alike.

Out with the old:
http://www.esquilax.com/flag/flagburn.gif

In with the new:

:au:

:p

Ouch, not very nice. A burning American flag!!

[hgc]

Never declare victory. Keep fighting. Complacency = Death.

[Mr Manifesto]

KelvinG: Well, here's an Australian burning flag then. Just to show I'm fair and balanced.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/445000/images/_445707_flag150.jpg

[RandFan]

I'm here, I'm quee....er...lean to the right and I'm not going anywhere.

[rikzilla]

Originally posted by hgc
Never declare victory. Keep fighting. Complacency = Death.

While you guys weren't looking we took over Alabama!
:roll: :hit:

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by a_unique_person
This thread has been started to celebrate the triumph of those supporting lefty type politics over those of the right.
In order for this to be true, you must first assume that someone is either left or right. Can you think of no other possibilities? And if so, can you show that there are more lefty's here than righty's? Or more lefty's than middle of the roady's?

[hgc]

Originally posted by rikzilla


While you guys weren't looking we took over Alabama!
:roll: :hit: I think you've declared victory prematurely. The Godbots of 'Bama are looking pretty shaky these days.

[KelvinG]

Originally posted by Mr Manifesto
KelvinG: Well, here's an Australian burning flag then. Just to show I'm fair and balanced.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/445000/images/_445707_flag150.jpg

Alright, your off the hook.:D

[rikzilla]

Originally posted by hgc
I think you've declared victory prematurely. The Godbots of 'Bama are looking pretty shaky these days.

well, let's hope so. :) When it comes to God-bots we heretics have to stick together....I guess. :rolleyes:

[Tmy]

Originally posted by Upchurch
In order for this to be true, you must first assume that someone is either left or right. Can you think of no other possibilities? And if so, can you show that there are more lefty's here than righty's? Or more lefty's than middle of the roady's?

Hmmm you got a point. I say we start a hearings to expose the hidden righties! Then we can make them all have elephant avatars so we know who they are.

[hgc]

Originally posted by rikzilla


well, let's hope so. :) When it comes to God-bots we heretics have to stick together....I guess. :rolleyes: Yes, common cause on this certainly trumps differences in other arenas.

Of course, this battle isn't over until the voters of 'Bama pass judgement on Rev. Moore in the next election for Supreme Court.

[Crossbow]

I really do not think that the "Left" has acheived victory over the "Right".

While the absence of Jedi Knight is most welcome, there are several others who more than compensate for his level of hatred.

[Segnosaur]

Hey, I didn't even warrant an honerable mention. Guess I'd better start putting more mention of 'feminazis' in my post.

Just a few 'observations'...

- There have been many, shall we say, 'detestible' people on the left as well as the right. Some have gone (Think Undercover Elephant), others don't seem to post much in the politics forum if they post anywhere (think: Q-source). Others post, but are considered so extreme that they are either ridiculed or ignored by both left and right (think Malarchi, or whatever he is.)

- Not ever poster fits into the 'neat' left-vs-right spectrum. For example, Shanek (a well-regarded poster) is a Libertarian; it appears as if he sides with the 'left' on things like the war, and personal freedoms, and the 'right' on economic issues. Even many of the 'right' leaning members on this board have views that are more in keaping with the 'left' in politics. For example, many 'right' posters here support abortion rights, yet that is considered a 'left' view. I consider myself a pragmatist; I have certain views, some which are right wing (economic, for example), some which are left wing (abortion rights, censorship, etc.)

- Not everyone on the "right" agrees with (or even respects) everyone on the right. I do respect posters on both the right (e.g. Rik, skeptic), and on the left (e.g. Tricky). I wish others would just go away. Can you say that you honestly agree with (or are happy with) every poster on the 'left'?

- The ability of certain people to make a lot of posts, or to even post for a longer sustained period of time, does not make one side 'correct' or a 'winner'. People have different obligations and/or priorities so they have to leave. Some posters (on both the left and right) are totally oblivous to other people's arguments. Is it really 'winning' if someone spews a tremendous amount of garbage and/or straw men, ignores any well-intentioned response, then thinks they're right? (I call that the Lucianarchy method.)

[Baker]

Originally posted by Segnosaur
Hey, I didn't even warrant an honerable mention. Guess I'd better start putting more mention of 'feminazis' in my post.


Same here so just to let AUP know I’m still here as well!

[jj]

Careful, there, AUP.

The moderates are holding out pretty (*&(&* well at the minute.:p

[reprise]

Originally posted by Mr Manifesto
I think this thread should be entitled, "The Triumph of Australia over America". To see us post you'd think all Aussies thought alike.

{snip}


Nah, we have posters like winstonjen (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=4707) to dispel that particular notion.

[American]

I'm still here, although I wish that I weren't as I've always tried to get wacked without breaking the rules.

Besides- my arguments are not exactly "right" so much as they are correct.

[Mike B.]

Originally posted by Mr Manifesto
I think this thread should be entitled, "The Triumph of Australia over America". To see us post you'd think all Aussies thought alike.

Out with the old:
http://www.esquilax.com/flag/flagburn.gif

In with the new:

:au:

:p

Well to quote the Rulf Harris:

"Tan my hide when I'm dead Fred,"
"Tan my hide when I'm dead,"

;)

Does anyone remember the next line?
:D

[The Fool]

Originally posted by Mike B.


Well to quote the Rulf Harris:

"Tan my hide when I'm dead Fred,"
"Tan my hide when I'm dead,"

;)

Does anyone remember the next line?
:D

you only have to ask...... :p

Tan me hide when I'm dead, Fred,
Tan me hide when I'm dead.
So we tanned his hide when he died, Clyde,
(spoken)And that's it hanging on the shed.
All together now!

Tie me kangaroo down, sport,
Tie me kangaroo down.
Tie me kangaroo down, sport,
Tie me kangaroo down.

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by Mike B.


Well to quote the Rulf Harris:

"Tan my hide when I'm dead Fred,"
"Tan my hide when I'm dead,"

;)

Does anyone remember the next line?
:D

His name is Rolph, and he left Australia the first chance he had to move to England and he hasn't been back since except to earn the odd dollare here and there.

[reprise]

It's Rolf (the boy from Bassendean), and he also used to sing about little boys playing "gayly".

[Thumper]

For a decent explanation on why the 'Left-Right' continuum is wacked, please go to http://www.politicalcompass.org

[Mike B.]

Thanks for the correction - Rolf

I don't know just always thought the song was kinda catchy...
I was playing off the fact that Mr. Manifesto thought the Aussies vanquished America, so I was being the old stockbreeder lying dying in the song.
:)

Anyway,
I ought to thank Australia because The Wiggles are the only thing my son will watch.

:)

I was surprised to learn they were also non-child orientated band called, "The Cockroaches." I just picture them playing in a pub and a heckler screaming "Play the fruit salad song!!!"
;)

[reprise]

Anyway, I ought to thank Australia because The Wiggles are the only thing my son will watch.

We have an extensive range of annoying children's entertainers whom we intend to share with the rest of the world.

Consider yourself warned.

with any luck, the Americans will love Hi-5! and they'll never return here

[JAR]

The leftists in the forum sure did win on the Iraqi weapons of mass destruction issue. It's also important for me to note that it has been proven that there were no links between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda(I don't remember how to spell it). So there was no act of aggression against the U.S. from Iraq.

From what I've heard, the U.S. has failed to win the hearts and minds of the Iraqis, so the name that the U.S. gave of "Operation: Iraqi Freedom" for the invasion was a prediction that didn't come true.

[Mr Manifesto]

Originally posted by Mike B.
I was surprised to learn they were also non-child orientated band called, "The Cockroaches." I just picture them playing in a pub and a heckler screaming "Play the fruit salad song!!!"
;)

Ah, the Cockroaches. I remember them well.

Here's a sample of their lyrics- note how the poetry brims with insight and resonance:

Heeeey let's go, let's go, let's go
Heeeey let's go, let's go, let's go
Heeeey let's go, let's go, let's go
She's the one, she's the one, she's the one, she's the one...

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by Mike B.
Thanks for the correction - Rolf

I don't know just always thought the song was kinda catchy...
I was playing off the fact that Mr. Manifesto thought the Aussies vanquished America, so I was being the old stockbreeder lying dying in the song.
:)

Anyway,
I ought to thank Australia because The Wiggles are the only thing my son will watch.

:)

I was surprised to learn they were also non-child orientated band called, "The Cockroaches." I just picture them playing in a pub and a heckler screaming "Play the fruit salad song!!!"
;)

I was walking past a pub in StKilda one night, and it had a free band on. I walked down into this grotty, little, "Sticky Carpet" special, to find that the band playing was called 'the cockroaches'. There weren't many people there, and those that were didn't seem to be listening that closely.

It was a stroke of genius on their part to take a bland, forgettable, innoffensive style of music and unleash on children. They are rich beyond their dreams.

I much preferred

Mike and Michelle Jackson.
Patsy Biscoe.

[AmateurScientist]

Originally posted by hgc

Of course, this battle isn't over until the voters of 'Bama pass judgement on Rev. Moore in the next election for Supreme Court.

Oh come on. Running against Moore will be far too easy. He practically campaigns for you.

All his opponent(s) will have to do is run videotape footage of him grandstanding about the stupid monument and defying a federal court's lawful order over and over. Put one's own name at the end on a black screen and voila! Winning campaign.

AS

[rikzilla]

Originally posted by AmateurScientist


Oh come on. Running against Moore will be far too easy. He practically campaigns for you.

All his opponent(s) will have to do is run videotape footage of him grandstanding about the stupid monument and defying a federal court's lawful order over and over. Put one's own name at the end on a black screen and voila! Winning campaign.

AS

Okay...so enough of you sane types may be there in 'Bama (I'll have to take your word on it, 'cause it doesn't look like sanity is in wide supply over there)

So, the next question is,...how do you get all those praying kooks off your courthouse steps??

-z

[crackmonkey]

'm no right-winger, I'm just another Good American. But perhaps I should ratchet up the blind hatred and incoherence to make up for the shortfall since JK's days of glory here.
In his absence, important issues like the Martian arms race are getting no attention whatsoever...
Regarding Australia - I'd move there in a heartbeat. It sounds delightful. One question, though - I saw a Warner Brothers educational program on Tasmanian Devils, and apparently these creatures travel around like small tornadoes, destroying anything in their path. How do you protect your homes from this menace?

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Originally posted by Mr Manifesto
KelvinG: Well, here's an Australian burning flag then. Just to show I'm fair and balanced.


Fox is gonna sue your ass!!!

[CapelDodger]

shanek's a libertarian! Suddenly it all makes sense. If I'd read his posts in more detail and less amazement I'd probably have know. I'd no longer be well, but I'd have known.

I'm a leftie that favours bombing ragheads. If I had to abandon one of those it's no change for the ragheads.

Less importantly, can Dean beat Bush?

[The Mad Linguist]

Originally posted by Thumper
For a decent explanation on why the 'Left-Right' continuum is wacked, please go to http://www.politicalcompass.org

That site said better than I ever could some things I'd been turning over in my head for a long, long time. Thanks Thumper!

Oh, and I score Economic -8.75 and Social -8.67, so I think you can count me in as a bleeding-heart leftie liberal pinko...

[CapelDodger]

I score economic -8.5, social -5.69, so I'm a leftie libertarian. We should feel free to do some bombing, and it should be financed collectively.

[RandFan]

Economic Left/Right: 2.25
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.03

According to the compass and English political parties I am a Liberal Democrat. :D

[The Mad Linguist]

I find it disturbing that RandFan, whose political opinions as stated here I generally disagree with, has scores similar to a party for which I have frequently voted.

[Victor Danilchenko]

Economic left: -3.0
Social liberal: -7.9

I am Green with libertarian tendencies...

[Upchurch]

Economic Left/Right: 0.25
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.82

I'm almost exactly moderate economically and mostly liberal socially. Very interesting.

Thanks for the quiz Thumper

[Mendor]

Economic: -1.12
Social: -5.38

I take this test fairly regularly and I'm sure I used to be more libertarian than that...

I am The Dispossessed. Too lefty for the Libertarians (not that there is a Libertarian party here), too righty for the Socialists, too unconcerned environmentally for the Greens, and too freedom-loving for anyone else.

oh well, looks like it's the SNP then...

[Cleopatra]

I am devastated. Thacher is my idol and I do not throw bombs anymore because it ruins my french manicure.I also vote for the christian democrats.

According to this silly test I am a left-libertarian.

I scorred Economic Left/Right: -5.88
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.36

Why????? Just because I voted that porn movies should be legitimate?

[hgc]

Economic Left/Right: -2.75
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.67

Well, it's not a perfect score, but then I do come pretty close to the Dalai Lama on the example chart.

[Dancing David]

Seems like a follish boast, I have to say that the board is dominated by the moderates, and there is still a very vocal conservative faction.

Oh well, some victory, JK split , he didn't get defeated.

"i'll be back"

[Electric Monk]

Originally posted by Upchurch
Economic Left/Right: 0.25
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.82
Howdy, neighbor!

Economic Left/Right: 0.25
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.71

Err.. I mean you anarchist! :p

--James

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Electric Monk
Howdy, neighbor!

Economic Left/Right: 0.25
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.71

Err.. I mean you anarchist! :p

--James That's moderate anarchist and welcome to the party! (you're 0.11 too authoritarian for my tastes, but beggers can't be choosers.)

Just out of curosity. I looked briefly before closing the test but didn't notice. are these numbers on a scale of -10 to +10?

[The Mad Linguist]

Originally posted by Cleopatra
Thacher is my idol

Every shred of respect I ever had for you has just evaporated.

[Cleopatra]

Originally posted by The Mad Linguist


Every shred of respect I ever had for you has just evaporated.

It's ok Mad Linguist, I 'd rather be respected for the things I am and not for the things I am not ;)

[Electric Monk]

Originally posted by Upchurch
That's moderate anarchist and welcome to the party! (you're 0.11 too authoritarian for my tastes, but beggers can't be choosers.)Beggars can't be choosers? Seems an odd position for a moderate anarchist. Sounds more like something from the upper-right quadrant. :D

Just out of curosity. I looked briefly before closing the test but didn't notice. are these numbers on a scale of -10 to +10? Yes. (Though the grid seems to go to +/- 10.5 to allow for displaying scores at the extremes.)

--James

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by Dancing David
Seems like a follish boast, I have to say that the board is dominated by the moderates, and there is still a very vocal conservative faction.

Oh well, some victory, JK split , he didn't get defeated.

"i'll be back"

I think the first few posts should indicate I have my toungue stuck firmly in my cheeck.

[Cleopatra]

Originally posted by a_unique_person


I think the first few posts should indicate I have my toungue stuck firmly in my cheeck.

Face it Unique, from the millions of the Internet Users , only I understand when are you joking ...

[Kodiak]

I'm still here, and not planning on going anywhere...


Economic Left/Right: 4.38
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.28

[a_unique_person]

In light of the success of Kerry over Bush in the Straw Poll, time to break out the champagne again.

[Ziggurat]

Originally posted by JAR
The leftists in the forum sure did win on the Iraqi weapons of mass destruction issue. It's also important for me to note that it has been proven that there were no links between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda(I don't remember how to spell it). So there was no act of aggression against the U.S. from Iraq.


Wrong on several counts. There is no disproof of all reported Iraqi connections with al Quaeda - the 9/11 commission, for example, noted several contacts between them. They said that there is no evidence that Iraq played a part in 9/11, but that's a far cry from proving that no cooperation on any issue took place. Furthermore, and perhaps more importantly, we know quite well that Saddam harbored terrorists, including some who have killed Americans (Abu Abas comes to mind) - they were not specifically al Quaeda, but that's small comfort indeed.


From what I've heard, the U.S. has failed to win the hearts and minds of the Iraqis, so the name that the U.S. gave of "Operation: Iraqi Freedom" for the invasion was a prediction that didn't come true.

You aren't looking very hard for Iraqi opinions, then (here's a hint: the mainstream press is going to mislead you terribly on this issue). They are not unanimous, but most Iraqis are glad that we got rid of Saddam. And some are quite pro-US. Check out http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com for some example opinions of Iraqis who are quite grateful to the US.

The leftists were right one one issue, and wrong on so many more (the war didn't destabalise the region, it didn't spark a wider conflict, there were no massive refugee flows, the populace did not rise up against us, we didn't steal Iraq's oil, and Bush isn't worse than Saddam). How this constitutes a "victory" for the left escapes me.

[Dorian Gray]

To be the man, you have to beat the man. -Nature Boy Ric Flair Ah, now we see where you get all your 'wisdom' - from pro wrestlers. Figures, as pro wrestling, country music, NASCAR, etc., is the domain of the right, while the left are all reading BOOKS. BOOOOOOOKS, Corp.

Oh, yes, let's not forget documentaries as well......

Limbaugh, Hannity, etc. can preach all day long to their respective choirs, but did they have movies that grossed $100 million and slammed an incumbent POTUS? Why, no. All their attempts are lame. "Al Franken is a Buck-Toothed Moron" - see? Every comeback is just a 'me too'. And speaking of Franken, he's changing the name of his show from 'The O'Franken Factor' to 'The Al Franken Show' after discovering that even Bill O'Reilly isn't stupid enough to sue and lose twice!

[evildave]

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -1.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.23

More of those questions needed middle radio buttons for "don't know/don't care".

More descriptive, possibly not enough dimensions.

[Baker]

Well I'm a little late taking the test but here are my results it seems I only lean slightly to the right does any one else suspect that this test was made to convince us that we are all for the left deep inside?

Economic Left/Right: 0.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.64

[Theodore Kurita]

Economic Left/Right: -7.59
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.0

Yep... Still a leftie commie pinko. :p

[Phrost]

The irony of this thread is that AUP is being worked over like a Catholic schoolboy in at least one thread right now (Freedom of Speech/Free Enterprise).

Go lefties! You never met a dictator you wouldn't appease, a murderer you didn't want to hug, or a rich person you didn't want to steal from.

[PygmyPlaidGiraffe]

Originally posted by Mr Manifesto
I think this thread should be entitled, "The Triumph of Australia over America". To see us post you'd think all Aussies thought alike.

Out with the old:
http://www.esquilax.com/flag/flagburn.gif

In with the new:

:au:

:p


feelings of inadequacy? Inferiority complex? your flag is so much smaller than the burning one.

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Upchurch
Economic Left/Right: 0.25
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.82 That was then, this is now:

Economic Left/Right: -2.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.21


hmm.... I think I see my wife's influence there....

[crimresearch]

Originally posted by Upchurch
8/22/03
In order for this to be true, you must first assume that someone is either left or right. Can you think of no other possibilities? And if so, can you show that there are more lefty's here than righty's? Or more lefty's than middle of the roady's?

So how many days does this make that A_U_P has been dodging the JREF challenge over his claims to know what point on the politial spectrum other posters occupy, using his amazng paranormal abilities?
:p :p :p

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by Phrost
The irony of this thread is that AUP is being worked over like a Catholic schoolboy in at least one thread right now (Freedom of Speech/Free Enterprise).

Go lefties! You never met a dictator you wouldn't appease, a murderer you didn't want to hug, or a rich person you didn't want to steal from.

No, the irony is that the thread is a tongue in cheek joke,

I would note that the majority here don't feel like taking on the bully bunch of the right that you represent, but they have indicated they would vote for Kerry anonymously.

Just because the right here are a bunch of abrasive jerks, doesn't mean that you are right when a lot of people don't feel like arguing with you.

I complained early on to a mod about abuse being hurled at me, and was told there was nothing to complain about. Fair enough, the gloves are off. The more civil people won't debate you, but that doesn't mean that they necessarily agree with you.

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by crimresearch


So how many days does this make that A_U_P has been dodging the JREF challenge over his claims to know what point on the politial spectrum other posters occupy, using his amazng paranormal abilities?
:p :p :p

How many times have I wondered about the American sense of humour? No wonder I like English comedies more.

[Phrost]

Originally posted by a_unique_person


No, the irony is that the thread is a tongue in cheek joke,

I would note that the majority here don't feel like taking on the bully bunch of the right that you represent, but they have indicated they would vote for Kerry anonymously.

Just because the right here are a bunch of abrasive jerks, doesn't mean that you are right when a lot of people don't feel like arguing with you.

I complained early on to a mod about abuse being hurled at me, and was told there was nothing to complain about. Fair enough, the gloves are off. The more civil people won't debate you, but that doesn't mean that they necessarily agree with you.

I'm a pro-war Libertarian.

And I'm not sure if you're refering directly to me, as the worst thing I've called you was a pinko commie.

Besides, isn't there some fallacy about popular opinion (either way) being irrelevant to whether or not a viewpoint is correct? I'm too lazy to google.

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by Phrost


I'm a pro-war Libertarian.

And I'm not sure if you're refering directly to me, as the worst thing I've called you was a pinko commie.

Besides, isn't there some fallacy about popular opinion (either way) being irrelevant to whether or not a viewpoint is correct? I'm too lazy to google.

I wasn't proving that by getting a majority intending to vote for Kerry, that he was right, all I was saying is that a majority are going to vote for Kerry.

[Skeptic]

Well I'm a little late taking the test but here are my results it seems I only lean slightly to the right does any one else suspect that this test was made to convince us that we are all for the left deep inside?

Seems that way... it doesn't matter who's doing the TAKING, what matters is who's doing the GRADING...

[Jack]

Just because the right here are a bunch of abrasive jerks, doesn't mean that you are right when a lot of people don't feel like arguing with you. The right does not have a monopoly on abrasive jerks. Cain and Ion come to mind as some of the few the proud and abrasive left. And BTW, you are not the fountain of happiness yourself AUP.

[RandFan]

Sorry folks,

That last post was from me, RandFan. I did not realizie my son had logged in. I appologize. We have to get more computers in my house. Two desktops and a laptop are simply not enough.

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by Jack
The right does not have a monopoly on abrasive jerks. Cain and Ion come to mind as some of the few the proud and abrasive left. And BTW, you are not the fountain of happiness yourself AUP.

I try to keep track, but AFAIK, I only dish it back to those who disk it out. If there is any collateral damage, I apologise.

[BillyTK]

Originally posted by Phrost
I'm a pro-war Libertarian.

[...]
You think that's impressive? I'm an atheist Roman Catholic.

[Beerina]

"My race has superior qualities, compared to other races."




Like what, the Klingons?



And I can't even answer the first question. It's along the lines of "do you still beat your wife?" What if I think the interests of the transnationals is the same thing as the interests of "humanity"? The primary interest of humanity is freedom, and transnationals are merely an expression of freedom. Hmmm, I Disagree, I guess...

And other questions seem to pose things in old-school left/right views. Witness "Controlling inflation is more important than controlling unemployment." Well! Get the government out of the way and both are very mild, thanks! Get the government heavily involved, and both get out of control (mid '70's, where the command-and-control premise of the question was heavily engaged.)


"Protectionism is sometimes necessary in trade." -- Protecting the domestic inefficient economy from more hungry competitors? What about using it as a tool of social engineering to open up greater freedoms in exchange for more market entry? Is this question any use of protectionism or just the standard Ross Perot/Nixon/Union style? Strongly Disagree based on that assumption :(


"Those with the ability to pay should have the right to higher standards of medical care ." To suggest otherwise you are ripping away someone else's quality of life simply because yours is lower, on that assumption alone. Everybody has exactly the same right: access to a freedom-based medical care community. How dare you deny someone this out of spite! Higher costs are a symptom of successful, rapid scientific development, which benefits everybody. It isn't a choice between haves and have-nots, it's a choice between "availables" and "available-not" treatments. What good is a free cure for something if it hasn't even been invented because of the slower scientific development of a highly controlled or nationalized system??? Would you like free 1970's level medical care now, in 2004, had nationalized healthcare been the worldwide standard since the 1950's? I didn't think so.


Economic Left/Right: 6.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.74

Hey! My dot is almost the same as Milton Freidman's! A little closer to libertarian!

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My score:

Economic Left/Right: -2.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.44

[LostAngeles]

Originally posted by a_unique_person
This thread has been started to celebrate the triumph of those supporting lefty type politics over those of the right.

Join in one and all for this great victory.

JK = Not a Team Player.
Troll = Retired Hurt
Hammegk = Dropped for poor performance
Tony = Hmmmm, Much to Learn Have You.
Rikzilla = A stolid trier, but his best days are past him.

As a leftist, I find myself insulted by this. None of these people were swayed in their beliefs. They were either trolls (JK) or simply didn't have the time or energy to continue arguing with you. Corplinx is still about and kicking. I suspect Grammaton of being a conservative at times and s/he's still about.

How can you call it a triumph? It's better to work (amicably!) towards changing other people's minds then to shrill them away.

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by LostAngeles
As a leftist, I find myself insulted by this. None of these people were swayed in their beliefs. They were either trolls (JK) or simply didn't have the time or energy to continue arguing with you. Corplinx is still about and kicking. I suspect Grammaton of being a conservative at times and s/he's still about.

How can you call it a triumph? It's better to work (amicably!) towards changing other people's minds then to shrill them away.

Refer my previous post "American sense of humour".

[Cain]

Originally posted by Jack
The right does not have a monopoly on abrasive jerks. Cain and Ion come to mind as some of the few the proud and abrasive left. And BTW, you are not the fountain of happiness yourself AUP.

That last post was from me, RandFan. I did not realizie my son had logged in. I appologize. We have to get more computers in my house. Two desktops and a laptop are simply not enough.


Hehehehe. If sharing three computers is difficult, I can only imagine the hardship of splitting a single brain several ways. Good luck with that, RandFan.

:cool:

[RandFan]

Originally posted by Cain
Hehehehe. If sharing three computers is difficult, I can only imagine the hardship of splitting a single brain several ways. Good luck with that, RandFan.

:cool: Hey Cain,

Something civil, I think. You figured me out. Damn, no more using my alter ego to make supporting arguments.

RandFan