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Kryptos
10th July 2007, 04:41 AM
In the NIST preliminary report on the WTC7 collapse, as well as in the FEMA report, a paper by John J. Salvarinas is cited as a reference. Does anyone know where I can find it or can help locate it?

Salvarinas, John J. 1986. Seven World Trade Center, New York, Fabrication and Construction Aspects, Proceedings of the 1986 Canadian Structural Engineering Conference, Vancouver, Canadian Steel Construction Council, Ontario. February 24-25.

Any help in locating this paper would be highly appreciated.
Kryptos
10th July 2007, 08:37 AM
Anyone? for some cookies?

http://www.debunk911myths.org/topics/images/thumb/4/4b/Cookies.jpg/200px-Cookies.jpg
LashL
10th July 2007, 09:12 AM
This may help you locate it, although it is probably out of print and you may have to search for a used copy:

ISBN 0-88811-062-6
Kryptos
10th July 2007, 05:12 PM
Thanks for the ISBN number.

http://worldcat.org/oclc/17340993&tab=holdings?loc=22202 - I found it on WorldCat, but it looks like not many places have it. With an ISBN number, perhaps Library of Congress should have it, if I get desperate. For now, I've contacted NIST to see if they can help.

If anyone else knows where I can find it or can help, it would be tremendously helpful
T.A.M.
10th July 2007, 05:21 PM
http://irc.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/pubs/fulltext/nrcc46279/nrcc46279.pdf

this paper sites the one you are speaking of, and this article may interest you anyway...

TAM:)
Kryptos
10th July 2007, 05:26 PM
I've seen that. So often we see truthers say it's the "official" government story. It's a very interesting paper, and helpful to get the opinion of non-American experts on the topic.
LashL
10th July 2007, 09:52 PM
Thanks for the ISBN number.

http://worldcat.org/oclc/17340993&tab=holdings?loc=22202 - I found it on WorldCat, but it looks like not many places have it. With an ISBN number, perhaps Library of Congress should have it, if I get desperate. For now, I've contacted NIST to see if they can help.

If anyone else knows where I can find it or can help, it would be tremendously helpful

If you can't find it elsewhere, I'd suggest writing or calling Mr. Salvarinas himself. He may very well be willing to provide a copy of the paper.
Kryptos
25th July 2007, 08:37 PM
NIST is sending me a copy of the paper. Will have it when I get back from travel in mid-August.
Kryptos
15th August 2007, 07:47 PM
I'm back from Japan. Was delayed coming back. The Salvarinas paper has arrived in my mailbox from NIST. They were very quick and helpful. I'll be spending the next few days reading it over. It's 14 pages of text and 30 pages of figures/photos. Might scan it into my computer to have a digital copy.
LashL
15th August 2007, 07:51 PM
I'm back from Japan. Was delayed coming back. The Salvarinas paper has arrived in my mailbox from NIST. They were very quick and helpful. I'll be spending the next few days reading it over. It's 14 pages of text and 30 pages of figures/photos. Might scan it into my computer to have a digital copy.

Terrific! I would love to read it if you are able to share it.
T.A.M.
15th August 2007, 07:53 PM
I also would love to have a copy land in my mailbox..I mean lap...

TAM:)
~enigma~
15th August 2007, 07:53 PM
Terrific! I would love to read it if you are able to share it.
Ditto...but I would give it to me first :)
Kryptos
15th August 2007, 07:55 PM
In the next few days, will bring it into work to scan. Would be happy to share it.
~enigma~
15th August 2007, 07:59 PM
In the next few days, will bring it into work to scan. Would be happy to share it.
Me first :)
ElMondoHummus
16th August 2007, 07:23 AM
In the next few days, will bring it into work to scan. Would be happy to share it.

Me first :)


I would love a copy too, if it's not too much trouble.

What is the copyright on that paper? Is it possible to post it somewhere so as to avoid an unnecessary workload on your part?
Kryptos
25th August 2007, 05:20 PM
My apologies for not posting the paper quickly. I'm in process of moving my website to a different server, and updating the site with a new design and some new content. My deadline to have this done is the end of the week, when I'll be traveling again.

Due to copyright concerns, I can't permanently post the paper, but would be willing to put it up temporarily and send the link to those interested.

The paper is interesting and detailed about design constraints faced in building 7 WTC, about the steel construction, and other such details, though I don't think it adds much that's not already mentioned in the NIST and FEMA reports. It essentially confirms things, but with more technical details/language, and makes it more obvious where NIST got some of the information.
LashL
25th August 2007, 07:20 PM
My apologies for not posting the paper quickly. I'm in process of moving my website to a different server, and updating the site with a new design and some new content. My deadline to have this done is the end of the week, when I'll be traveling again.

Due to copyright concerns, I can't permanently post the paper, but would be willing to put it up temporarily and send the link to those interested.

The paper is interesting and detailed about design constraints faced in building 7 WTC, about the steel construction, and other such details, though I don't think it adds much that's not already mentioned in the NIST and FEMA reports. It essentially confirms things, but with more technical details/language, and makes it more obvious where NIST got some of the information.

I would certainly appreciate receiving the link, Kryptos. Thank you in advance.
e^n
26th August 2007, 02:01 AM
Ditto, I can offer temporary hosting if you like.
AJM8125
6th October 2010, 05:18 AM
Bump, anyone ever get a copy?
LashL
7th October 2010, 05:54 AM
Bump, anyone ever get a copy?

Yes. :)
femr2
7th October 2010, 06:12 AM
Google Salvarinas-1986.pdf
AJM8125
7th October 2010, 07:40 AM
Yes. :)

Thank you.

Google Salvarinas-1986.pdf

Thank you.

It was brought up in another zombie thread.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=98503
tfk
7th October 2010, 01:31 PM
The images in every on-line version I've seen are indecipherable.

Does anyone have a copy with legible photos?


tom
Sabretooth
7th October 2010, 01:37 PM
Did you end up finding it? The only hits I get back are references to the paper, but not the paper itself.
Lenbrazil
7th October 2010, 06:29 PM
Did you end up finding it? The only hits I get back are references to the paper, but not the paper itself.

Kyrptos sent it to Gravy
http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/Salvarinas-1986.pdf

Has anybody read it and found something of note?
Lenbrazil
7th October 2010, 06:35 PM
The images in every on-line version I've seen are indecipherable.

Does anyone have a copy with legible photos?


tom

It looks like they sent Kryptos a xerox.
LashL
8th October 2010, 05:44 AM
The images in every on-line version I've seen are indecipherable.

Does anyone have a copy with legible photos?


tom

Did you end up finding it? The only hits I get back are references to the paper, but not the paper itself.


I have a hard copy of the conference paper, but the photographs are barely legible due to photocopying, unfortunately. I'd be surprised if the author even still has the original since it's 24 years old, but it wouldn't hurt to ask him.
Sabretooth
8th October 2010, 06:38 AM
Kyrptos sent it to Gravy
http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/Salvarinas-1986.pdf

Has anybody read it and found something of note?


Thank you very much! I'll take a flip through it this afternoon.
Horatius
8th October 2010, 07:27 AM
Thank you very much! I'll take a flip through it this afternoon.



That version as much better quality figures, so you can actually read the labels. It seems they are indicating the number of studs intended to be installed along each beam and girder, rather than labelling the beams as studs, as I originally thought, based on the lower quality figures. (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=6411986#post6411986)