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Undesired Walrus
11th July 2007, 11:44 AM
At the risk of this being moved to Flame Wars, let me show the disclamer that whilst I wish Dylan would get a real job, I honestly consider this a legitimate point.

Another disclamer is also needed to show I not intending to sound elitist or preachy.

I had a training course today for work, and there were a few guys from all over London training with me. We all work in the homeless sector (Most of them are a lot more experienced than me) and you walk away knowing the inherent goodness of people from all social divides and classes. A true multicultural London existed there today, and I, with a posh West London accent and white skin, felt accepted by those who are on complete opposites. Honestly, you walk away wondering how people can be so kind and good to you, and feel like you simply dont deserve it.

I was looking around today and thought, 'these people, regardless of if they heard about WTC7 for the first time or JFK magic bullet, they wouldn't believe that sh**t...'

Why?

Because they ride in the train rather than stand outside and yell at the delays.

Again, a risk of Flame Wars movement here, but a question: Is Dylan Avery a symbol of moral failure in the Western world today?

D'rok
11th July 2007, 11:57 AM
At the risk of this being moved to Flame Wars, let me show the disclamer that whilst I wish Dylan would get a real job, I honestly consider this a legitimate point.

Another disclamer is also needed to show I not intending to sound elitist or preachy.

I had a training course today for work, and there were a few guys from all over London training with me. We all work in the homeless sector (Most of them are a lot more experienced than me) and you walk away knowing the inherent goodness of people from all social divides and classes. A true multicultural London existed there today, and I, with a posh West London accent and white skin, felt accepted by those who are on complete opposites. Honestly, you walk away wondering how people can be so kind and good to you, and feel like you simply dont deserve it.

I was looking around today and thought, 'these people, regardless of if they heard about WTC7 for the first time or JFK magic bullet, they wouldn't believe that sh**t...'

Why?

Because they ride in the train rather than stand outside and yell at the delays.

Again, a risk of Flame Wars movement here, but a question: Is Dylan Avery a symbol of moral failure in the Western world today?



Wow. You just opened a real can of worms with that last question. I think this belongs in the philosophy section. You asking us to make the anti-liberal arguments of Nietzsche, Schmitt, Heidegger, Kojeve and their ilk.

Personally, I think that yes, Avery is a symptom of the nihilism inherent in judeo-christian liberal equality combined with post-modern "reality is text" interpretation of personal truth. But I think we have to live with him. Any attempts to "morally reform" western liberalism will only lead to totalitarianism in one form or another.

Also, he's still really young. There's hope for him.

Alt+F4
11th July 2007, 12:00 PM
Is Dylan Avery a symbol of moral failure in the Western world today?

I don't think he's so much a symbol of moral failure but rather a generation raised on indulgence combined with too much information, technology and a lack of crititical thinking skills.

I was recently chatting with a truther who said, "show me the photograph!" as if nothing exists in the world unless there is a photo or video of it. I was born in the 1960s before the video camera or dads in the delivery room. There is no photographic evidence of my birth but I'm pretty sure I'm alive.

uk_dave
11th July 2007, 12:16 PM
Do careers get rid of conspiracy theories?

The other way round.