CHF
11th July 2007, 12:01 PM
Last months local truther rally had a lot of funny moments. This month’s event, I must say, was just plain sad!
They gathered in front of the CBC building again at 12 pm – all five of them.
There was a kid’s event going on behind them (clowns, tents, free food) with lots of people walking around. They were almost completely ignored.
Only one guy from last month was there. Just as I predicted, he’s spent the past month making a movie. Swell guy, I must say. Very friendly and open to dialogue. He even asked me for feedback and gave me a flier.
He soon went off to hold a banner, but not before introducing me to what could quite possibly be the most useless twoofer on the planet. I didn’t get his name but he claimed to be an electrical engineer from AE911. He even claims to have posted on JREF but found that we were all "***holes." :p
He started talking about how the top section of the towers should have tipped over. "With the help of which horizontal force?” I asked. “You don’t need one,” he said. “All objects will tip over if the damage is not symetrical.” He then went on to make some awesome comparisons to prove his point. Including:
“If you’re standing on top of a chair and a leg breaks, you’ll tip over.”
“If one leg on a tripod breaks it’ll tip over.”
So why didn’t he write up a paper about this? “I don’t have to, because it’s so obvious.”
We talked about how the structure should have performed when the collapse started. "It should have stopped," he said. Was there a difference between a 50,000 ton static load and a 50,000 ton dynamic load? "Not really." :eek:
I asked whether anyone in the movement has had their research peer-reviewed. He said yes. Like who? “Gordon Ross, Steven Jones...” When I pointed out that 911 twoofer sites is not peer-review he then said that peer-review didn’t matter one bit anyway.
And why is peer-review so irrelevant? “Common sense.”
Yup, that’s what it all came down to for this guy. His common sense tells him that there were demolitions on 9/11. “I don’t trust experts,” he said. “If I go to the doctor and he says I need a needle, I say ‘no’.”
So strong was his faith in common sense that he said he had read almost nothing in the way of expert reports. (Although he had read some stuff by Frank Greening, which he dismissed via his common sense). :rolleyes:
Despite not trusting experts he did try to pull a few out of the hat nonetheless. He brought up Jowenko as his demolition pro but Danny’s take on the towers didn’t matter cuz they were non-conventional demolitions. So how does he spot a non-conventional demolition? “Common sense.” He also said he’d talked to a structural engineer with a PHD who said it was “obvious” that the towers were demolitions. Wouldn’t tell me what his name was though.
I asked Mr. Common Sense what caused the exterior beams to bend inwards along the WTC’s facade prior to collapse. He didn’t know, but suggested thermite. He had no clue how thermite would burn sideways and or how it even made the beams bend but his inability to explain away NIST’s collapse mechanism was no big deal because he had common sense.
I asked him why the demolition charges in the towers made no rapid sequence of really loud bangs. “Cuz the sound was bouncing off all the other buildings creating the dull roar that we heard.” Did he have a demolition expert backing up this hilarious claim? Yes, but he wouldn’t name him.
I brought the topic back to peer-review and asked why twoofers are so reluctant to submit their research. “If it’s so obvious then why not submit it?” I asked. “Surely you agree that passing peer-review is a tremendous boost.” His answer: “We know that the CIA does illegal things so why aren’t they arrested?” :boggled:
That was enough of Mr. Common Sense so I moved on to a guy who looked like he was from a biker gang. I asked him about peer-review and why twoofers are so scared of it. “The universities and journals are all controlled,” was his explanation for the lack of twoofer papers. As for NIST, “they should all have their PHD’s revoked and should be arrested and tried for treason.” One of his main pieces of demolition evidence was molten metal. What caused it? “Thermite.” But it cools off quickly. “Not if you use a lot.” How much? “A lot.”
A woman then told him to stop talking to me. I laughed and headed back to work.
About the only accurate statement of the hour was made by Mr. Common Sense. When it comes to twoofer evidence, he said: “I don’t think you’ll see anything new.”
They gathered in front of the CBC building again at 12 pm – all five of them.
There was a kid’s event going on behind them (clowns, tents, free food) with lots of people walking around. They were almost completely ignored.
Only one guy from last month was there. Just as I predicted, he’s spent the past month making a movie. Swell guy, I must say. Very friendly and open to dialogue. He even asked me for feedback and gave me a flier.
He soon went off to hold a banner, but not before introducing me to what could quite possibly be the most useless twoofer on the planet. I didn’t get his name but he claimed to be an electrical engineer from AE911. He even claims to have posted on JREF but found that we were all "***holes." :p
He started talking about how the top section of the towers should have tipped over. "With the help of which horizontal force?” I asked. “You don’t need one,” he said. “All objects will tip over if the damage is not symetrical.” He then went on to make some awesome comparisons to prove his point. Including:
“If you’re standing on top of a chair and a leg breaks, you’ll tip over.”
“If one leg on a tripod breaks it’ll tip over.”
So why didn’t he write up a paper about this? “I don’t have to, because it’s so obvious.”
We talked about how the structure should have performed when the collapse started. "It should have stopped," he said. Was there a difference between a 50,000 ton static load and a 50,000 ton dynamic load? "Not really." :eek:
I asked whether anyone in the movement has had their research peer-reviewed. He said yes. Like who? “Gordon Ross, Steven Jones...” When I pointed out that 911 twoofer sites is not peer-review he then said that peer-review didn’t matter one bit anyway.
And why is peer-review so irrelevant? “Common sense.”
Yup, that’s what it all came down to for this guy. His common sense tells him that there were demolitions on 9/11. “I don’t trust experts,” he said. “If I go to the doctor and he says I need a needle, I say ‘no’.”
So strong was his faith in common sense that he said he had read almost nothing in the way of expert reports. (Although he had read some stuff by Frank Greening, which he dismissed via his common sense). :rolleyes:
Despite not trusting experts he did try to pull a few out of the hat nonetheless. He brought up Jowenko as his demolition pro but Danny’s take on the towers didn’t matter cuz they were non-conventional demolitions. So how does he spot a non-conventional demolition? “Common sense.” He also said he’d talked to a structural engineer with a PHD who said it was “obvious” that the towers were demolitions. Wouldn’t tell me what his name was though.
I asked Mr. Common Sense what caused the exterior beams to bend inwards along the WTC’s facade prior to collapse. He didn’t know, but suggested thermite. He had no clue how thermite would burn sideways and or how it even made the beams bend but his inability to explain away NIST’s collapse mechanism was no big deal because he had common sense.
I asked him why the demolition charges in the towers made no rapid sequence of really loud bangs. “Cuz the sound was bouncing off all the other buildings creating the dull roar that we heard.” Did he have a demolition expert backing up this hilarious claim? Yes, but he wouldn’t name him.
I brought the topic back to peer-review and asked why twoofers are so reluctant to submit their research. “If it’s so obvious then why not submit it?” I asked. “Surely you agree that passing peer-review is a tremendous boost.” His answer: “We know that the CIA does illegal things so why aren’t they arrested?” :boggled:
That was enough of Mr. Common Sense so I moved on to a guy who looked like he was from a biker gang. I asked him about peer-review and why twoofers are so scared of it. “The universities and journals are all controlled,” was his explanation for the lack of twoofer papers. As for NIST, “they should all have their PHD’s revoked and should be arrested and tried for treason.” One of his main pieces of demolition evidence was molten metal. What caused it? “Thermite.” But it cools off quickly. “Not if you use a lot.” How much? “A lot.”
A woman then told him to stop talking to me. I laughed and headed back to work.
About the only accurate statement of the hour was made by Mr. Common Sense. When it comes to twoofer evidence, he said: “I don’t think you’ll see anything new.”