Flight 592 and 9/11

[PhantomWolf]

On May 11, 1996, 10 minutes into its flight from Miami to Atlanta, ValuJet flight 592, a DC-9, registration number N904VJ, plunged nose first into the Florida Everglades at 800km/h.

Interesting this crash holds a number of key elements that might be useful in interpreting what occured on 9/11.

The cause of the crash was an aircraft oxygen generator which was being transported and was accidently activated, setting fire to the hold contents, cardboard, plastic, luggage and a tyre. This material was shown in tests to burn for stustained periods at temperatures of up to 3,000°C because of the oxygen supply created by the generator. These generators were obsolete, but still deadly. The 767s that hit Towers 1 and 2 had generators similar to this one in them meaning that if the crash mixed the chemicals and actiuvated them, they could have added to the fires extremely high temperatures that are unaccounted for by NIST.

The second interesting occurance was that under the foot of water and then 6 feet of mud was solid limestone. The DC-9 ploughed nose first into this rock, and disintergrated, the parts that were left being no bigger that the pieces that were found of flight 77 and 93. This crash, 5 years before 9/11 proves without a doubt that a plane nose diving into the ground, or ploughing into hard limestone, will disintergrate into tiny pieces.

This crash shows that the events of 9/11 were not only totally within the bonds of possiblity, but highly likely results based on previous occurances.

[apathoid]

On May 11, 1996, 10 minutes into its flight from Miami to Atlanta, ValuJet flight 592, a DC-9, registration number N904VJ, plunged nose first into the Florida Everglades at 800km/h.

Interesting this crash holds a number of key elements that might be useful in interpreting what occured on 9/11.

The cause of the crash was an aircraft oxygen generator which was being transported and was accidently activated, setting fire to the hold contents, cardboard, plastic, luggage and a tyre. This material was shown in tests to burn for stustained periods at temperatures of up to 3,000°C because of the oxygen supply created by the generator. These generators were obsolete, but still deadly. The 767s that hit Towers 1 and 2 had generators similar to this one in them meaning that if the crash mixed the chemicals and actiuvated them, they could have added to the fires extremely high temperatures that are unaccounted for by NIST.

The second interesting occurance was that under the foot of water and then 6 feet of mud was solid limestone. The DC-9 ploughed nose first into this rock, and disintergrated, the parts that were left being no bigger that the pieces that were found of flight 77 and 93. This crash, 5 years before 9/11 proves without a doubt that a plane nose diving into the ground, or ploughing into hard limestone, will disintergrate into tiny pieces.

This crash shows that the events of 9/11 were not only totally within the bonds of possiblity, but highly likely results based on previous occurances.


Yup. Also, the fire from the O2 generators melted the steel control cables, which caused the pilots to lose control.

There are over 100 of these generators on the 767, as well as 10-15 portable oxygen cylinders, a similar number of PBE breathers, plus the crew oxygen cylinder which is quite large. I'd say that some molten metal in the area of the impacts would be very possible.

[uk_dave]

Boeing...pah!

I prefer Airbus.

[Revolutionary91]

On May 11, 1996, 10 minutes into its flight from Miami to Atlanta, ValuJet flight 592, a DC-9, registration number N904VJ, plunged nose first into the Florida Everglades at 800km/h.

Interesting this crash holds a number of key elements that might be useful in interpreting what occured on 9/11.

The cause of the crash was an aircraft oxygen generator which was being transported and was accidently activated, setting fire to the hold contents, cardboard, plastic, luggage and a tyre. This material was shown in tests to burn for stustained periods at temperatures of up to 3,000°C because of the oxygen supply created by the generator. These generators were obsolete, but still deadly. The 767s that hit Towers 1 and 2 had generators similar to this one in them meaning that if the crash mixed the chemicals and actiuvated them, they could have added to the fires extremely high temperatures that are unaccounted for by NIST.

The second interesting occurance was that under the foot of water and then 6 feet of mud was solid limestone. The DC-9 ploughed nose first into this rock, and disintergrated, the parts that were left being no bigger that the pieces that were found of flight 77 and 93. This crash, 5 years before 9/11 proves without a doubt that a plane nose diving into the ground, or ploughing into hard limestone, will disintergrate into tiny pieces.

This crash shows that the events of 9/11 were not only totally within the bonds of possiblity, but highly likely results based on previous occurances.

I have had a look at the NTSB report http://www.ntsb.gov/Publictn/1997/AAR9706.pdf

It looks very different to flight 93. A DC-9 is smaller but it made a much bigger crater than flight 93 (130 feet long, 40 feet wide). The engines were recovered intact too.

[apathoid]

Boeing...pah!

I prefer Airbus.


This is what we in the industry would call "a perfectly good airplane".

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BTW - the DC-9 was made by McDonnel Douglas ;)

[PhantomWolf]

It looks very different to flight 93. A DC-9 is smaller but it made a much bigger crater than flight 93 (130 feet long, 40 feet wide).

No one said that the crash sites looked the same. 592 hit swamp (there wasn't a crater as such because it just got covered up) 93 hit earth and butried itself into it, they also hit at different angles.

The engines were recovered intact too.

592 was a DC-9, the engines were back under the tail, they were hardly intact either. They were likely in better condition than the engine of 93 that buried itself, but they were full of swamp mud, sawgrass and plane parts, and were seriously damaged, in fact so damaged that the NTSB couldn't determine if they were running at the time of impact and had to determine that from the FDR.