Question for truthers: what should a new investigation look like?

[CHF]

Just about every truther I've ever met says the same thing: "We just want a new investigation." Yet all of them have refused to explain in detail what they want this investigation to look like. All they say is "I want it to be unbiased."

What I have heard in the way of specifics seems rather contradictory. A Toronto truther yesterday actually called for this new investigation to be carried out by the government of all people! And he then said he wanted that same government tossed out of office. AE911 is another example: they plan to present their list of experts to congress - the very power structure that is supposedly so corrupt.

So I’d like to give truthers the opportunity to explain their demands in detail and to show us what kind of investigation they would trust and not immediately dismiss should it fail to back their claims. I’d hate to think that truthers are just out for a rubber-stamp of approval....

So assuming that the 9/11 commision was a white-wash and the NIST report was a lie...

1) What would you consider to be an unbiased investigation?

2) Who should carry it out? Give me names.

3) Who should fund it? (Tax payers? Government? Private companies? UN?)

4) Who should testify?

5) Which experts should be called to offer analysis? Names please.

6) Should anyone be banned from testifying? If so, who and why?

7) At the end of it all, who would you trust to pass final judgment on the evidence?

[qarnos]

Since I doubt any troofers will respond, I'll take a guess at what their answers might be:


So assuming that the 9/11 commision was a white-wash and the NIST report was a lie...

1) What would you consider to be an unbiased investigation?

An international investigation with no links whatsoever to the US government or it's allies or anybody from "the establishment"; eg: scientists.

2) Who should carry it out? Give me names.

Anybody who knows 9/11 was an inside job. eg: DRG.

3) Who should fund it? (Tax payers? Government? Private companies? UN?)

Anyone but me.

4) Who should testify?

GWB, Cheney and William Rodriguez.

5) Which experts should be called to offer analysis? Names please.

Judy Wood, Jim Fetzer, Steven Jones, DRG.

6) Should anyone be banned from testifying? If so, who and why?

Anybody who supports the OCT, since they are obviously shills.

7) At the end of it all, who would you trust to pass final judgment on the evidence?

It doesn't matter as long as they are not shills. This will be easy to see, since only a shill would find the government not guilty.

[MWare]

I would imagine that the only investigation that would be valid is one that confirms their beliefs. Since I doubt all of them believe the same thing, it would be impossible to establish an investigation that would be acceptable to all.

When your beliefs have no basis in evidence, there is no meaningful means for affirming them.

[Pardalis]

I've been reading on 9/11 CTs for over a year now, and I still haven't seen the slightest beginning of an answer to that question from them yet.

[qarnos]

I would imagine that the only investigation that would be valid is one that confirms their beliefs. Since I doubt all of them believe the same thing, it would be impossible to establish an investigation that would be acceptable to all.


Ahhh, but the investigation wouldn't have to determine the exact nature of the conspiracy - only that it was an inside job. Who needs to muck around with details?

[DGM]

Question for truthers: what should a new investigation look like?

A youtube video!:D

[Pardalis]

A youtube video!:D

uYkZGO1kRVY

The Twoofer wet dream.

[Reality Believer]

I've been reading on 9/11 CTs for over a year now, and I still haven't seen the slightest beginning of an answer to that question from them yet.

I don't think (coherent) big picture thinking is part of their thought process. I think it is probably part of the pathology that causes that type of thinking in the first place. Inscrutable details are important but big picture planning is not important.

On the other end of the issue, I have looked for and asked for the big picture plan on how they believe the attack day was planned. Just a bullet point format that would hypothetically be part of the planning documents that laid down the logistics. Lead times included.

Never had any takers on that so I did my own, and it turned out to be a very discombobulated plan (go figure).

[Pardalis]

I don't think (coherent) big picture thinking is part of their thought process. I think it is probably part of the pathology that causes that type of thinking in the first place. Inscrutable details are important but big picture planning is not important.

Exactly.

On the other hand isn't it funny that they themselves claim to see the big picture? The only problem is that their "big picture" pans through centuries, starting with the Free Masons in the Middle Ages and goes all the way into the distant future where somekind of global governement wil take over the world.

A little too broad of a big picture...

But when we ask them the simple question of what exactly happened on that single day, they can't come up with a single working theory. :D

[negativ]

I don't know what they think it SHOULD look like, but I'm pretty sure this is what it WOULD look like:

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[Gravy]

http://www.educationallearninggames.com/images/mystery-detective.jpg

[mjd1982]

Tho not in response to your specific questions, this has been dealt with at the top of the Conspiracy Facts thread.

[Unsecured Coins]

thank you for your twin pennies

[Alareth]

That's the mislabled thread with no actual facts correct?

[JimBenArm]

Conspiracy Facts: A 100% Fact-Free thread!
Lose you mind, or your money back!

[TruthSeeker1234]

This subject of the OP does a good job of pointing out the absurdity of having a territorial monopolist of jurisdiction. What happens when the monopolist is involved in the dispute? What then?

The perpetrators of 9/11 are far, far above any jurisdiction. Asking the government to investigate and prosecute itself would be like asking the mafia to investigate themselves.

Investigative journalism? The mainstream media is in on it too, they're just an arm of the government. Listen to any nightly news broadcast, and this fact couldn't be more plain.

[CHF]

TruthSeeker,

so if "the perpetrators of 9/11 are far, far above any jurisdiction" then why do truthers call for a new investigation?

Experts, media, government are all unreliable, correct? So who does that leave?

What are you aiming for if an unbiased new investigation is impossible?

[Mobyseven]

This subject of the OP does a good job of pointing out the absurdity of having a territorial monopolist of jurisdiction. What happens when the monopolist is involved in the dispute? What then?

The perpetrators of 9/11 are far, far above any jurisdiction. Asking the government to investigate and prosecute itself would be like asking the mafia to investigate themselves.

Investigative journalism? The mainstream media is in on it too, they're just an arm of the government. Listen to any nightly news broadcast, and this fact couldn't be more plain.

That's an answer to the question, "Who should not be involved in the investigation?"

But that wasn't the question that was asked. The question that was asked was, "Who should be involved in the investigation?"

[LashL]

The perpetrators of 9/11 are far, far above any jurisdiction.

Which perpetrators are those? Name names, please. There is no need to pussyfoot around. Just name names already and the discussion can progress.

Asking the government to investigate and prosecute itself would be like asking the mafia to investigate themselves.

No, no. Name names, please. "The government" isn't a monolithic entity. Untold numbers of people who are employed by "the government" have and will continue to be called to account for crimes committed by them as individuals. But you have to start by naming names.

Investigative journalism? The mainstream media is in on it too, they're just an arm of the government. Listen to any nightly news broadcast, and this fact couldn't be more plain.

Again, name names, please. Which members of the mainstream media are "in on it"? What are they in on? And how are they an arm of the government?

[Alareth]

What's a territorial monopolist?

[Unsecured Coins]

What's a territorial monopolist?


isn't it that guy that always buys up Park Place?

[CHF]

C'mon truthers!

You all want a new investigation, right?

Yet only one of you has stepped up to answer my question and even then TruthSeeker didn't answer it at all.

So step up and explain what kind of investigation you're looking for. I was hoping you'd all relish the opportunity.

[CHF]

Tho not in response to your specific questions, this has been dealt with at the top of the Conspiracy Facts thread.

I see my questions answered no where in that opening post.

Just the usual "we need an independent investigation."

[Corsair 115]

Investigative journalism? The mainstream media is in on it too, they're just an arm of the government.Does that include media outside the United States? Media in, say, Canada or Australia or Japan or Switzerland or Iceland, just to name a few countries. They in on it too?

[westprog]

1) What would you consider to be an unbiased investigation?

2) Who should carry it out? Give me names.

3) Who should fund it? (Tax payers? Government? Private companies? UN?)

4) Who should testify?

5) Which experts should be called to offer analysis? Names please.

6) Should anyone be banned from testifying? If so, who and why?

7) At the end of it all, who would you trust to pass final judgment on the evidence?


Clearly any government-run investigation would be compromised. By the same token, the universities are too subject to pressure via funding. The press are the only thing left, but they tend not to have the expertise.

Perhaps a popular magazine, with considerable knowlege of mechanics, could get together a selection of experts and do a thorough analysis of 911. Nobody could object to that.

[Jonnyclueless]

This subject of the OP does a good job of pointing out the absurdity of having a territorial monopolist of jurisdiction. What happens when the monopolist is involved in the dispute? What then?

The perpetrators of 9/11 are far, far above any jurisdiction. Asking the government to investigate and prosecute itself would be like asking the mafia to investigate themselves.

Investigative journalism? The mainstream media is in on it too, they're just an arm of the government. Listen to any nightly news broadcast, and this fact couldn't be more plain.

So stop annoying us and go start your independent investigation. What are you waiting for? The government? you don't want them involved. You don't want any government funding involved. So, what's the hold up? Go go go! The ball is in your court, not ours, go investigate and end the issue for all of us. Snap to it, hop on the good foot. Mime is money.

[uk_dave]

Mime is money.

:D


I totally agree. C'mon 'truthers', have a whip round, get some cash together and commision a structural engineering report into the collapse of the wtc towers.

I dares ya.

[Chedda]

uYkZGO1kRVY

The Twoofer wet dream.

Ten times the amount of dust that could explained by the gravitational pull of a collapsing burning building of any size. TEN TIMES!

:dl:

Allow me to present the case for the defence.

Y3T_xczFl5A

[mjd1982]

I see my questions answered no where in that opening post.

Just the usual "we need an independent investigation."
I didnt mean the OP, I meant the top of the thread, i.e. the 1st few pages.

Here's my address:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=84473&page=4

Here's a link to the questioners response

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=84473&page=5

[Alt+F4]

Investigative journalism? The mainstream media is in on it too...

Please provide proof that the entire worldwide media, including al jezerra, the BBC and the CBC are controlled by the masterminds behind 9/11.

[DGM]

The mainstream media is in on it too...

Bringing the total of people "in on it" to how many million?

[CHF]

I didnt mean the OP, I meant the top of the thread, i.e. the 1st few pages.

Here's my address:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=84473&page=4

Here's a link to the questioners response

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=84473&page=5

You provided no names of who should investigate 9/11.

As for the investigation being "independent"...

"The committee (possibly a House Select Committee?) would decide this."

"Under the US court system"

So you do trust the government?

[twinstead]

This all falls under the "if you are going to accuse people of mass murder you damned-well MUST be able to prove it to any competent, unbiased person beyond a shadow of a doubt" rule for me.

You truthers HAVE to find these unbiased, rational, influential folks who could convince us skeptics we are wrong. They could be from anywhere. From any nation.

With evidence SO compelling, why should this be a problem?

[twinstead]

You provided no names of who should investigate 9/11.

As for the investigation being "independent"...

"The committee (possibly a House Select Committee?) would decide this."

"Under the US court system"

So you do trust the government?

No, they do not. They only want the government to handle the next investigation to give themselves an 'out' just in case it comes a conclusion that is unacceptable to them. In such a case, it's because the investigation was biased.

They can use this forever, until at least some bone head wants to start some kind of revolution based on his exasperation that all the subsequent investigations pretty much show the official story is the one supported by the most evidence.

It's a woo woo circuit breaker.

[CHF]

You truthers HAVE to find these unbiased, rational, influential folks who could convince us skeptics we are wrong. They could be from anywhere. From any nation.

With evidence SO compelling, why should this be a problem?

They could do a big part of this "new investigation" any time they want.

All they would have to do is gather their evidence and show it to some experts who have not publicly weighed in on the issue. They could talk to some from Canada, USA, China, Europe, Venezuela - people out of Bush's reach. They could also have a paper or two peer-reviewed in a foreign publication (since the US-based ones are all corrupt).

With qualified experts and peer-review under their belts they could then make a solid case for re-opening the issue in North America.

Yet they don't.

[uk_dave]

'truther' paranoia runs deep enough for them to view anyone who is qualified (properly qualified, you know, like a qualified structural engineer speaking on structural engineering matters, not a software engineer or an electrical engineer speaking on structural engineering matters?) as potentially 'the enemy'.

After all education is only any good if you get it from the internet and 'common sense' trumps expertise.

[SOMERLED]

Just about every truther I've ever met says the same thing: "We just want a new investigation." Yet all of them have refused to explain in detail what they want this investigation to look like. All they say is "I want it to be unbiased."

What I have heard in the way of specifics seems rather contradictory. A Toronto truther yesterday actually called for this new investigation to be carried out by the government of all people! And he then said he wanted that same government tossed out of office. AE911 is another example: they plan to present their list of experts to congress - the very power structure that is supposedly so corrupt.

So I’d like to give truthers the opportunity to explain their demands in detail and to show us what kind of investigation they would trust and not immediately dismiss should it fail to back their claims. I’d hate to think that truthers are just out for a rubber-stamp of approval....

So assuming that the 9/11 commision was a white-wash and the NIST report was a lie...

1) What would you consider to be an unbiased investigation?

2) Who should carry it out? Give me names.

3) Who should fund it? (Tax payers? Government? Private companies? UN?)

4) Who should testify?

5) Which experts should be called to offer analysis? Names please.

6) Should anyone be banned from testifying? If so, who and why?

7) At the end of it all, who would you trust to pass final judgment on the evidence?

Being from the UK, you will know what a UK Public Inquiry is.
Something similar would do nicely.

[SOMERLED]

They could do a big part of this "new investigation" any time they want.

All they would have to do is gather their evidence and show it to some experts who have not publicly weighed in on the issue. They could talk to some from Canada, USA, China, Europe, Venezuela - people out of Bush's reach. They could also have a paper or two peer-reviewed in a foreign publication (since the US-based ones are all corrupt).

With qualified experts and peer-review under their belts they could then make a solid case for re-opening the issue in North America.

Yet they don't.
Oh yes we do.

[CHF]

Being from the UK, you will know what a UK Public Inquiry is.
Something similar would do nicely.

Names please.

[CHF]

Oh yes we do.

So your peer-reviewed papers are....where?

[Pardalis]

So your peer-reviewed papers are....where?

Just to be clear, "peer" doesn't mean "other CTists".

[Alt+F4]

Being from the UK, you will know what a UK Public Inquiry is.
Something similar would do nicely.

If the British do such a great job why still all the woo regarding Princess Diana's death? The British spent over 3 million pounds producing an 11,000 page report that boils down to "no seatbelts" yet folks are still yelling murder.

What the conspiracy liars are really saying is, "We want a new investigation that PROOVES that 9/11 was <insert your own personal insanity here>."

[Alt+F4]

double post

[grmcdorman]

If the British do such a great job why still all the woo regarding Princess Diana's death? The British spent over 3 million pounds producing an 11,000 page report that boils down to "no seatbelts" yet folks are still yelling murder.

What the conspiracy liars are really saying is, "We want a new investigation that PROOVES that 9/11 was <insert your own personal insanity here>."Malcom Kirkman admitted as such in his "175 did NOT hit the south tower" thread; his post pretty much explicitly said the only "correct" conclusion was what he had already decided. Too lazy to find the exact post, though.

[uk_dave]

Too lazy to find the exact post, though.

That's OK, kirkman's too lazy to speak with his local building control department.

[Belz...]

I don't think (coherent) big picture thinking is part of their thought process. I think it is probably part of the pathology that causes that type of thinking in the first place. Inscrutable details are important but big picture planning is not important.

Precisely.

And when they DO mention the "big picture", that picture is wholly comprised of said inscrutable details, but omits the OTHER details that they haven't bothered to consider.

[Belz...]

The perpetrators of 9/11 are far, far above any jurisdiction. Asking the government to investigate and prosecute itself would be like asking the mafia to investigate themselves.

Investigative journalism? The mainstream media is in on it too, they're just an arm of the government. Listen to any nightly news broadcast, and this fact couldn't be more plain.

Excellent! In that case, I suggest you quit trying to prove anything. The NWO are beyond any form of harm : you cannot ever, ever do anything to damage their organisation.

Just sit back and relax. Your fantasy opponent is invincible.

[uk_dave]

Excellent! In that case, I suggest you quit trying to prove anything. The NWO are beyond any form of harm : you cannot ever, ever do anything to damage their organisation.

Just sit back and relax. Your fantasy opponent is invincible.

Yeah, but ace wants to stop paying tax. That's an aim I'm sure he's willing to fight for.

Gotta get our priorities right, dontcha know?

[8den]

If the British do such a great job why still all the woo regarding Princess Diana's death? The British spent over 3 million pounds producing an 11,000 page report that boils down to "no seatbelts" yet folks are still yelling murder.


It does help the Diana woo that it's got a billionaire leading the truth charge mind you.

That and a solitary sodding paper, which would be printing blank pages if the Diana nonsense was laid to rest.

[Sparky]

Perhaps a popular magazine, with considerable knowlege of mechanics, could get together a selection of experts and do a thorough analysis of 911. Nobody could object to that.

Great! Now I have to clean up my monitor from all of the Diet Coke that came shooting out of my nose. :D

[Alferd_Packer]

Just about every truther I've ever met says the same thing: "We just want a new investigation." Yet all of them have refused to explain in detail what they want this investigation to look like.

I think some nice pastel colors would be nice with a few chinz curtains, a couple of plants. . .














What?

[nicepants]

Just to be clear, "peer" doesn't mean "other CTists".

Many CTers don't understand that sending something to the "Journal of 911 Studies" is not equivalent to peer-review.

Woo + Woo != Science

[Reality Believer]

Many CTers don't understand that sending something to the "Journal of 911 Studies" is not equivalent to peer-review.

Woo + Woo != Science

I disagree. Woo + Woo = cocktail. From JREF wiki:

Woo Woo is also the name of a cocktail; 1 oz. Peach Schnapps, 1 oz. Vodka, Splash of Cranberry Juice.

[twinstead]

I disagree. Woo + Woo = cocktail. From JREF wiki:

Woo Woo is also the name of a cocktail; 1 oz. Peach Schnapps, 1 oz. Vodka, Splash of Cranberry Juice.

That sounds propitious to getting drunk...

[nicepants]

That sounds propitious to getting drunk...

Absent a bartender giving me catastrophically-strong drinks, the process of me getting drunk on woo woos is likely to be a long one.

[Corsair 115]

Please provide proof that the entire worldwide media, including al jezerra, the BBC and the CBC are controlled by the masterminds behind 9/11.I get the feeling from the way TS phrases his use of the word "media" that he often forgets there are media outlets in countries outside the U.S.

[DarkMagician]

So your peer-reviewed papers are....where?

Elbonia.

[Jonnyclueless]

I'm sure all Journalists take evil training classes in school taught by NWO. Yet for some reason it never slips out...

[mjd1982]

You provided no names of who should investigate 9/11.

As for the investigation being "independent"...

"The committee (possibly a House Select Committee?) would decide this."

"Under the US court system"

So you do trust the government?
You didnt read the posts. Read them again. Transparaency and accountability is what is necessary- this can be achieved with members of the government. It would exclude the likes of Zelikow, Kean and (prior) Kissinger, from any involvement.

This should be quite easy to understand.

[Dog Town]

Transparaency and accountability is what is necessary- this can be achieved with members of the government. <snip>

This should be quite easy to understand.



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[Cl1mh4224rd]

Yeah, but ace wants to stop paying tax. That's an aim I'm sure he's willing to fight for.

Gotta get our priorities right, dontcha know?


Meh. He can stop paying taxes any time he wants. What he actually wants is to not pay taxes without the fear of punishment.

Absent a bartender giving me catastrophically-strong drinks, the process of me getting drunk on woo woos is likely to be a long one.


I don't know. The oxygen-starving effects of Truther Brew on the brain can be pretty devastating...

[FactCheck]

I don't know what they think it SHOULD look like, but I'm pretty sure this is what it WOULD look like:

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If it aint judge Alex Jones!

[MIKILLINI]

So far Malcolm, Ace, and Mjd haven't come up with any names for a new investigation. They go over these elaborate theories endlessly, and yet, calling for a new investigation, never devote any of their time to this critical detail.
Instead, they spend their time attempting to convince people of debunked conspiracies. Goes to show where the priorities are.

[T.A.M.]

I know, lets get Hillary Clinton and John Edwards to head up the investigation, because we know they would never CONSPIRE to do undermine anything or anyone, noww would they...Just ask Dennis Kucinich, he'll tell ya...lol

TAM:)

[Jonnyclueless]

It would be pretty interesting if guys like Alex Jones were in office, then they could get a taste of cult groups accusing them of conspiracies and what not.

[Pardalis]

at around 06:53
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xkYLtNH1zg

"I think we do need somekind of international domestic independent citizen investigation, but... right now...I don't know... It's a very good question but we need to have citizens ask questions right now and then hopefully we'll have some sort of entity take it from there..."

Yeah, that'll work. Good thinking Matt... :rolleyes:

[Jonnyclueless]

Perhaps that entity could be the tele tubbies. They seem like a nice fair group.

[MIKILLINI]

I know, lets get Hillary Clinton and John Edwards to head up the investigation, because we know they would never CONSPIRE to do undermine anything or anyone, noww would they...Just ask Dennis Kucinich, he'll tell ya...lol

TAM:)

:D

Or perhaps they believe parading around in those "investigate 9/11" T-shirts will cause a "catalyzing" event of opportunity for them.
Remember when the New Orleans Saints made the playoffs in 2000? They made these banners that read; "Who Dat Say Dey Gonna Beat Dem Saints?" or something very similar to that. I'm thinking there should be one for the debunkers that reads; "Who's Dat Dey Gonna Get To Investigate"? :p

[nicepants]

You didnt read the posts. Read them again. Transparaency and accountability is what is necessary- this can be achieved with members of the government. It would exclude the likes of Zelikow, Kean and (prior) Kissinger, from any involvement.

This should be quite easy to understand.

What part of the official investigation was not "transparent" enough?

And for accountability, who do you presume the investigators be "accountable" to? Alex Jones?

[bill smith]

Given that any new 9/11 enquiry granted by this or any other adminiistration will be a fix we have to take another approach.

The 9/11 argument has been adversarial from day one so let us conclude it in the same way.

The American way- In court.

First we set up two investigative panels . One composed of Truth advocates and one of government supporters. Both having full powers of subpoena. The Truth panel could be led by David Ray Griffin, Steven Jones , Kevin Ryan, Bob Bowman and their choice of other members up to say 15 or so. The governement panel could be composed of whoever they liked....I would suggest the original 9/11 commission members myself.

Then they could could start their seperate gathering of data, calling witnesses under subpoena and accessing documentation and material evidence the same way. Gagged witnesses would be ungagged at will.

The two teams of lawyers wold be fully abreast of all developements and could soon move into the familiar court setting. Here all witnesses would be heard in public- in fact everything should go out on live National TV for the duration of the case. No closed sittings.

There should be several people with camcorders following events and posting videos daily on the internet.

In this way a fair investigation is guaranteed.

[Pardalis]

There should be several people with camcorders following events and posting videos daily on the internet.

Youtube truthers to your cameras! :rolleyes:

[Sparky]

Given that any new 9/11 enquiry granted by this or any other adminiistration will be a fix we have to take another approach.

The 9/11 argument has been adversarial from day one so let us conclude it in the same way.

The American way- In court.

First we set up two investigative panels . One composed of Truth advocates and one of government supporters. Both having full powers of subpoena. The Truth panel could be led by David Ray Griffin, Steven Jones , Kevin Ryan, Bob Bowman and their choice of other members up to say 15 or so. The governement panel could be composed of whoever they liked....I would suggest the original 9/11 commission members myself.

Then they could could start their seperate gathering of data, calling witnesses under subpoena and accessing documentation and material evidence the same way. Gagged witnesses would be ungagged at will.

The two teams of lawyers wold be fully abreast of all developements and could soon move into the familiar court setting. Here all witnesses would be heard in public- in fact everything should go out on live National TV for the duration of the case. No closed sittings.

There should be several people with camcorders following events and posting videos daily on the internet.

In this way a fair investigation is guaranteed.


I'm fine with this as long as Griffin, Jones, Ryan, Bowman, et al pay for it out of their own pockets.

[bill smith]

I'm fine with this as long as Griffin, Jones, Ryan, Bowman, et al pay for it out of their own pockets.
Loser pays.

[Sparky]

Loser pays.


Same result in the long run.

[parky76]

Bill- would you accept the findings if it said that 9-11 was not an inside job?

id be willing to pay for another investigation if truthers swore to God to shet up after it was finished.

[Pardalis]

Who would be the judge, and would there be a jury?

[Sparky]

Am I to assume that this court trial will be presided over by a Federal judge and will be decided by a 12-man citizen jury?

[bill smith]

Bill- would you accept the findings if it said that 9-11 was not an inside job?

id be willing to pay for another investigation if truthers swore to God to shet up after it was finished.

I would have to. As long as it remained uncorrupted and the government won by force of argument and evidence.

[bill smith]

Who would be the judge, and would there be a jury?

I think there should be a panel of judges of three or five. Some of them from other countries. I think a 12 man American jury would be fine.

[Pardalis]

Some of them from other countries. I think a 12 man American jury would be fine.

Judges from other countries but an American jury? Why the discrepancy?

[parky76]

I would have to.

well, that's mighty white of you.

i have had truthers say outright "no". they would never accept any investigation that did not say "9-11 was an inside job".

they are sooo full of themselves, that they refuse to believe they could ever be wrong.

glad to see you are not one of them.

[bill smith]

It's early days. I did wonder how a kind of big brother tyle jury might work. Like a phone in thing. Any feedback on that ?

[Pardalis]

I did wonder how a kind of big brother tyle jury might work. Like a phone in thing. Any feedback on that ?

You're not seriously talking about the TV show are you?

[bill smith]

Judges from other countries but an American jury? Why the discrepancy?

It's an international problem but n American government 'of the people' (ostensibly)

[parky76]

It's early days. I did wonder how a kind of big brother tyle jury might work. Like a phone in thing. Any feedback on that ?

Press 1 if you think 9-11 was an inside job.
Press 2 if you think the CIA did it.
Press 3 if you think the Israelis did it.
Press 6 if you think the Lalapalutions did it.
Press 8 if you think filthy cave-Arabs did it.
Press 9 if you think the WTC never existed.

Press 0 if you need to speak to a customer representitive, or just hold the line.

...I don't think so.

:D

[Sparky]

It's early days. I did wonder how a kind of big brother tyle jury might work. Like a phone in thing. Any feedback on that ?

Wouldn't be legal since phone polling can be gamed. It becomes a popularity contest then.

Don't like the idea of foreign jurists presiding over a strictly American trial either.

[Pardalis]

It's an international problem but n American government 'of the people' (ostensibly)

This doesn't make much sense, and doesn't answer my question.

How is it an international problem? It happened in the USA.

[bill smith]

You're not seriously talking about the TV show are you?

I don't know. It seems to fit the the times. It's worth considering. It would certainly be the most captivating television of all time.

[bill smith]

This doesn't make much sense, and doesn't answer my question.

How is it an international problem? It happened in the USA.

All the world has been greatly affected by 9/11 and all the goodies that came with it.

[Pardalis]

It's worth considering.

It most certainly is not.

If you are serious, then this discussion is a waste of time.

ETA: Point in case:

All the world has been greatly affected by 9/11 and all the goodies that came with it.

Complete gibberish.

Bye.

[parky76]

its never gonna happen. so yes, this is a waste of time. im just waiting to go to dinner.

mmmm......raw oysters!!!

[bill smith]

Wouldn't be legal since phone polling can be gamed. It becomes a popularity contest then.

Don't like the idea of foreign jurists presiding over a strictly American trial either.
Some thought would have to go into it but maybe it could b worked out.

[Sparky]

I would certainly fear for the safety of the 12 poor schmucks chosen to sit as the jury.

[Pardalis]

Ah the joys of the internet, you're in a discussion with someone and all of a sudden you realize you've been talking with a 9 year old.

[9/11-investigator]

A lot of things changed since earlier official investigations into Watergate and the infamous cigar-scandal.

Maybe no official investigation is necessary at all. How about the possibility of an 'open source like' effort of the 'global internet community'. No internet, no truthers.

I think we can peer-review each other into a new new world order and find the real culprits en passant.

[T.A.M.]

The problem with allowing the truthers to pick the members of a new investigation commission or committee, is they do not trust anyone in authority...it would look like a collection of ordinary joes, washed up loony toon professors (retired or near retired), and crackpot ex military (most likely suffering from PTSD).

TAM:)

[Sparky]

A lot of things changed since earlier official investigations into Watergate and the infamous cigar-scandal.

Maybe no official investigation is necessary at all. How about the possibility of an 'open source like' effort of the 'global internet community'. No internet, no truthers.

I think we can peer-review each into a new new world order and find the real culprits en passant.

:jaw-dropp

Did anyone understand what he just said?

[parky76]

Maybe no official investigation is necessary at all. How about the possibility of an 'open source like' effort of the 'global internet community'. No internet, no truthers.

I think we can peer-review each into a new new world order and find the real culprits en passant.

I'm sorry, are you serious?

Boy do I give these guys too much credit.

I know there are smarter truthers out there. I wish they wouldn't ignore JREF, and just leave us with the delinquents.

Come on, real truthers, join the party!!!!!

[Pardalis]

A lot of things changed since earlier official investigations into Watergate and the infamous cigar-scandal.

Maybe no official investigation is necessary at all. How about the possibility of an 'open source like' effort of the 'global internet community'. No internet, no truthers.

I think we can peer-review each into a new new world order and find the real culprits en passant.

Even more gibberish! Lovely. :rolleyes:

OK, truthers, you had your chance to explain intelligently how this could be done, I guess it's back to whinging about how there is no new investigation, then.

Oh well.

[bill smith]

The problem with allowing the truthers to pick the members of a new investigation commission or committee, is they do not trust anyone in authority...it would look like a collection of ordinary joes, washed up loony toon professors (retired or near retired), and crackpot ex military (most likely suffering from PTSD).

TAM:)

No problem there. They would just be the guys who know what we need to look at and who we need to talk to. Then we brief the lawyers and they do the rest.

[parky76]

any "new" investigation should not include involvement by any truthers or debunkers.

it would have to be done by people who are interviewed, and seem to have not made up any substantial beliefs about 9-11.

impartial and unbiased means just that...no previously made conclusions or biases.

[The Platypus]

See as i said in the other thread, this claim for another investigation is nothing but a bunch of blah blah blah...

They aren't searching for the truth, they want to dictate what the truth is to everyone else.

[bill smith]

I'm sorry, are you serious?

Boy do I give these guys too much credit.

I know there are smarter truthers out there. I wish they wouldn't ignore JREF, and just leave us with the delinquents.

Come on, real truthers, join the party!!!!!

I know what he means. 9/11 investigation or no 9/11 investigation the government hs been judged at half the kitchen tables in the world. This will just keep right on expandng until everybody knows.

[bill smith]

any "new" investigation should not include involvement by any truthers or debunkers.

it would have to be done by people who are interviewed, and seem to have not made up any substantial beliefs about 9-11.

impartial and unbiased means just that...no previously made conclusions or biases.

No this is different. It needs a new approach- maybe on the lines I suggested. Othrwise the government will corrupt it.You know it.

[T.A.M.]

Here is whom I would suggest, if a new 9/11 Investigation was created...

1. 3 members from the victims families
2. Some crackerjack with the national archives, library, etc...
3. 2-3 Well respected ex-military officials
4. 2 lawyers, one selected by govt, one selected by family members
5. 2 retired investigative reporters.
6. 2 Former FBI and/or CIA officials

That would be a good start.

TAM:)

[dtugg]

Somebody let me know when this New Investigation TM happens.

I won't be holding my breath though. Something tells me that the group of the stupidest, most incompetent people in the world will never get this accomplished.

[parky76]

No this is different. It needs a new approach- maybe on the lines I suggested. Othrwise the government will corrupt it.You know it.

um....ok.

whatever.

[The Platypus]

I am surprised they haven't suggested Ron Paul.

I know, i know, i am laughing right now too.

[twinstead]

I will NOT pay for a new investigation. The issue has been investigated to my satisfaction. You truthers want a new investigation? Have at it. I think you are afraid this new investigation will come to the same basic conclusion as the old one.

Nobody has shown any REAL need for another investigation anyway. The fact that the bill smiths of the world disagree is irrelevant. There is no such thing as a "truth movement". It's just a bunch of conspiracy theorists and ideologues, few of them even having the same theory, taking advantage of the internet.

[9/11-investigator]

I'm sorry, are you serious?

Boy do I give these guys too much credit.

I know there are smarter truthers out there. I wish they wouldn't ignore JREF, and just leave us with the delinquents.

Come on, real truthers, join the party!!!!!

What part don't you understand?

No 'official investigation' was necessary to get rid of the government of the GDR. They basically destroyed themselves. Other 9/11 related 'peer-reviewed articles' are in the making helping to increase the heat. It's very well possible that the 'benevolent hegemon' will be toppled by deteriorating economic circumstances and a desire from within American society to abandon the empire project and switch into isolationalism (what Buchanan has been calling for for years). At some point a few opportunistic senators will abandon ship and demand 'change' and openly start to doubt the OCT. Jesse Ventura is such an 'early adaptor'. And then the snowball starts to role...

[stateofgrace]

Did I misread this or is Bill actually suggesting a phone in TV special?

Kind of like the “X factor” but slightly more ridiculous. Vote for your favourite crackpot theory, right?

[9/11-investigator]

I am surprised they haven't suggested Ron Paul.

I know, i know, i am laughing right now too.

I have suggested a Jelzin-like role for Ron Paul several times before. He is the only credible figure in the American establishment to date.

[dtugg]

At some point a few opportunistic senators will abandon ship and demand 'change' and openly start to doubt the OCT.

This will never happen, Nazi. United States Senators aren't idiots. And one has to be an idiot to believe twoofer garbage.

[The Platypus]

I have suggested a Jelzin-like role for Ron Paul several times before. He is the only credible figure in the American establishment to date.

There's the usual Ron Paul is some super human sales pitch, just as i expected...lol

[aggle-rithm]

I'm fine with this as long as Griffin, Jones, Ryan, Bowman, et al pay for it out of their own pockets.
Loser pays.



Po-TAY-to, po-TAH-to.

[9/11-investigator]

This will never happen, Nazi. United States Senators aren't idiots. And one has to be an idiot to believe twoofer garbage.

Ignoring the provocation... never heard of senator Karen Johnson, did you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lgEpaLVjgo

Even too ignorant to have a basic grasp of the politics of your own country.

And Ron Paul does not reject a new investigation either:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OumAnh8oWbU

And the former governor of Minnesota said openly that WTC was controlled demolition, what the whole world now knows except here at JREF:
http://www.send2press.com/newswire/2008-04-0403-004.shtml

[9/11-investigator]

There's the usual Ron Paul is some super human sales pitch, just as i expected...lol

Sure, sure, everything will stay the same in America for the coming 300 years.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

The 9/11 argument has been adversarial from day one so let us conclude it in the same way.

The American way- In court.
I'm fine with this as long as Griffin, Jones, Ryan, Bowman, et al pay for it out of their own pockets.
Loser pays.


"Loser pays" is not necessarily the American way, though. That would be decided by the judge, I believe, so already you're suggesting arbitrary rules.

[aggle-rithm]

And the former governor of Minnesota said openly that WTC was controlled demolition, what the whole world now knows except here at JREF:
http://www.send2press.com/newswire/2008-04-0403-004.shtml

The former governor of Minnesota is a joke.

[aggle-rithm]

Sure, sure, everything will stay the same in America for the coming 300 years.

Really? Boy, that's a relief. I'm going to go watch TV now.

[UNLoVedRebel]

And the former governor of Minnesota said openly that WTC was controlled demolition, what the whole world now knows except here at JREF:
http://www.send2press.com/newswire/2008-04-0403-004.shtml
Really?

The collapse of the Twin Towers in New York was aided by explosives secretly planted in the two buildings.
Very likely 5.8
Somewhat likely 10.2
Not likely 77.4
Don't know 6.5
Other 0.1

[9/11-investigator]

The former governor of Minnesota is a joke.

I agree. But sometimes even fools can be right on something.

[dtugg]

Ignoring the provocation... never heard of senator Karen Johnson, did you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lgEpaLVjgo

Even too ignorant to have a basic grasp of the politics of your own country.

Actually, Nazi, I have heard of Karen Johnson. I even used to live in Arizona. But, Nazi, I said United States Senator. Johnson was never United States Senator. She was an Arizona state senator and lost her seat for being an idiot after that. The US Senators from Arizona have been John McCain and Jon Kyle for a long time.

So you are the one who needs to get his facts straight.

[stateofgrace]

I agree. But sometimes even fools can be right on something.

So you agree with a fool, right?

[9/11-investigator]

Really?

"The collapse of the Twin Towers in New York was aided by explosives secretly planted in the two buildings.
Very likely 5.8
Somewhat likely 10.2
Not likely 77.4
Don't know 6.5
Other 0.1"

Source? Editorial board National Review?

[UNLoVedRebel]

"The collapse of the Twin Towers in New York was aided by explosives secretly planted in the two buildings.
Very likely 5.8
Somewhat likely 10.2
Not likely 77.4
Don't know 6.5
Other 0.1"

Source? Editorial board National Review?

God, you're slow.

http://www.aejmc.org/_scholarship/research_use/jmcq/07sum/stempel_text.pdf

[atecom]

The front page should read in size 32 Arial font: 9/11 Was an inside Job

And thats all the report should be.

Then there shall be 'kool-aid' celebrations since the truth will have set everyone free, therefor the truthers purpose on this planet is no longer and they can ascend to Alex-Jones Paradice.

[Pardalis]

What part don't you understand?

Pretty much everything...

No 'official investigation' was necessary to get rid of the government of the GDR. They basically destroyed themselves. Other 9/11 related 'peer-reviewed articles' are in the making helping to increase the heat. It's very well possible that the 'benevolent hegemon' will be toppled by deteriorating economic circumstances and a desire from within American society to abandon the empire project and switch into isolationalism (what Buchanan has been calling for for years). At some point a few opportunistic senators will abandon ship and demand 'change' and openly start to doubt the OCT. Jesse Ventura is such an 'early adaptor'. And then the snowball starts to role......and all of that too.

But it is entertaining, in a "Geez, I'm glad I'm not crazy like that" kind of a way.

[T.A.M.]

Alex Jones' Paradise, is a police state in America. Without, it, or the paranoid fear of it, he has no show, no audience...and he knows it.

TAM:)

[The Platypus]

Sure, sure, everything will stay the same in America for the coming 300 years.

Is that what Ron Paul wants to do?

[9/11-investigator]

God, you're slow.

http://www.aejmc.org/_scholarship/research_use/jmcq/07sum/stempel_text.pdf

How am I suppossed to know that, you did not mention the link in this thread ???

Here's another survey:

http://www.scrippsnews.com/911poll

Third of Americans suspect 9-11 government conspiracy.

And that's the thinking part of the nation, the rest is too busy watching football.

[UNLoVedRebel]

how am i suppossed to know that, you did not mention the link in this thread ???


here's another survey:
:seroflmao:

http://www.scrippsnews.com/911poll

third of americans suspect 9-11 government conspiracy.

And that's the thinking part of the nation, the rest is too busy watching football.

Hey genius. That's the same survey.
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6682/hyenalaughingbr3.jpg

[9/11-investigator]

This doesn't make much sense, and doesn't answer my question.

How is it an international problem? It happened in the USA.

Sure, but the killing as a consequence happened outside in Iraq & Afghanistan. When it turns out that America has a government that allows rogue elements within it to stage an event like 9/11 than the rest of the world darned sure has a problem. America after all spends more on 'defense' (war preparation really) than the rest of the world combined. For what purpose again?

[bill smith]

Hey genius. That's the same survey.
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6682/hyenalaughingbr3.jpg

When I saw this clip I almost despaired. Still if we can get it on TV we will reach these people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27f0IimLQpU

[9/11-investigator]

Hey genius. That's the same survey.

Don't laugh too loud, we both seem to be able to get from it what we want.

[dtugg]

Sure, but the killing as a consequence happened outside in Iraq & Afghanistan. When it turns out that America has a government that allows rogue elements within it to stage an event like 9/11 than the rest of the world darned sure has a problem. America after all spends more on 'defense' (war preparation really) than the rest of the world combined. For what purpose again?

I thought you proved that teh joooz....I mean the Mossad did 9/11. Was it both an inside job and teh joooos?

[UNLoVedRebel]

Don't laugh too loud, we both seem to be able to get from it what we want.

And the former governor of Minnesota said openly that WTC was controlled demolition, what the whole world now knows except here at JREF:
You want < %6 of the population to believe your dirt dumb ideas after you said "the whole world knows"? Okay dude.....And you might want to actually read the article this time. Those who believe those conspiracy theories are the least educated, least likely to be married, and most likely to spend their time reading "alternative" news media (i.e. AFP).

ETA: Protip: read passed the headline.

[UNLoVedRebel]

When I saw this clip I almost despaired. Still if we can get it on TV we will reach these people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27f0IimLQpU

Good god you foreigners gobble up any anti-American piece. How do you even know those were Americans? You might want to be careful before peddling the first anti-American video you come across. Next thing you know, you'll be convinced by a YouTube that the U.S. government tried to pass off a controlled demolition as a fire-induced progressive collapse. If you reach that threshold, you're screwed.

[bill smith]

Good god you foreigners gobble up any anti-American piece. How do you even know those were Americans? You might want to be careful before peddling the first anti-American video you come across. Next thing you know, you'll be convinced by a YouTube that the U.S. government tried to pass off a controlled demolition as a fire-induced progressive collapse. If you reach that threshold, you're screwed.

This was just to demonstrate just how dumbed-down America has become. Accept that or explain how come those people know so liittle about perhaps the most imortant event of the 20th century that hapened right in their own back yard only a few years go. I think the only way for the Truth Movement to reach those peope is through TV.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27f0IimLQpU

[9/11-investigator]

I thought you proved that teh joooz....I mean the Mossad did 9/11. Was it both an inside job and teh joooos?

There is no contradiction once you have a clear insight in the powerstructure of the US. The US is controlled by Israel.

But don't believe me, I am a nazi remember (according to dtugg that is).

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/mear01_.html

P.S. define 'nazi' for me anno 2009. Hell I am in favor of an all-european EU-alliance with Russia dumping NATO in the process. Russia has oil, the US has only multiculturalism and gay-porn to offer.

[UNLoVedRebel]

There is no contradiction once you have a clear insight in the powerstructure of the US. The US is controlled by Israel.

But don't believe me, I am a nazi remember (according to dtugg that is).

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/mear01_.html

P.S. define 'nazi' for me anno 2009. Hell I am in favor of an all-european EU-alliance with Russia dumping NATO in the process. Russia has oil, the US has only multiculturalism and gay-porn to offer.

Are you a holocaust denier? Don't worry, this is a USA based forum, so you won't get banned. And I won't alert the Dutch authorities. We Americans love freedom of speech too much.

[Slayhamlet]

This was just to demonstrate just how dumbd down America has becom. Accept that or explain how come those people know so liittle about perhaps the most imortant event of the 20th century that hapened right in their own back yard only a few years go. I think he only way for the Truth Movement to reach those peope is through TV.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27f0IimLQpU

Those people actually know more about the event than you do. What you think you "know" about 9/11 are mostly lies. They at least haven't fallen for the lies you have fallen for. I can understand why the "Truth" movement would want to target the least-informed in their ceaseless efforts to propagate evil lies, though. It is a well-tested tactic of snake-oil salesmen, after all.

Hell, I'll bet some of those Americans even know what century 9/11 occurred in. Can't say as much for yourself.

[9/11-investigator]

Are you a holocaust denier? Don't worry, this is a USA based forum, so you won't get banned. And I won't alert the Dutch authorities. We Americans love freedom of speech too much.

There are no laws against saying the truth about events during WW2 in the Netherlands either. Don't waste your breath.

[dtugg]

There is no contradiction once you have a clear insight in the powerstructure of the US. The US is controlled by Israel.

Oh how careless of me. Those damn evil dirty joooos control everything. How ever could I forget? We should really do something about this. Surely there is a final solution?

[atecom]

So this is what the new investigation would look like. One might have thought it would be about 9/11 but I guess Nazi's could be valid.


In all seriousness though I'm pretty sure any new investigation would look astoundingly like the old investigation, That is if done by anyone credible.

[Slayhamlet]

So this is what the new investigation would look like. One might have thought it would be about 9/11 but I guess Nazi's could be valid.


In all seriousness though I'm pretty sure any new investigation would look astoundingly like the old investigation, That is if done by anyone credible.

It will be valid as soon as the newly constituted Truthist "investigators" start using Nazi rags like "The American Free Press" as evidence in their new "findings".

Of course this is all completely hypothetical since a "new-investigation" has about as much chance of occurring as the ratio of professionals and scientists who think it is warranted (approx. 0.5%) to those who don't.

[9/11-investigator]

Of course this is all completely hypothetical since a "new-investigation" has about as much chance of occurring as the ratio of professionals and scientists who think it is warranted (approx. 0.5%) to those who don't.

That's true, there will be no official investigation. The american establishment will not commit political suicide.

She will go down anyway.

[Slayhamlet]

That's true, there will be no official investigation. The american establishment will not commit political suicide.

She will go down anyway.

There already was an "official" investigation, dumb-dumb. It didn't conform to your fantasies but it nevertheless happened. Funny how reality works that way. You may continue to be deluded your whole life, but that won't affect anybody or anything in the real world.

[9/11-investigator]

There already was an "official" investigation, dumb-dumb. It didn't conform to your fantasies but it nevertheless happened. Funny how reality works that way. You may continue to be deluded your whole life, but that won't affect anybody or anything in the real world.

Sure, carried out by the perpetrator. Here is what british cabinet minister had to say about 911 and the 'official investigation':

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84mx8oi1s_I

[Slayhamlet]

Sure, carried out by the perpetrator. Here is what british cabinet minister had to say about 911 and the 'official investigation':

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84mx8oi1s_I

Meacher isn't a cabinet minister but is in fact rather stupid.

Here's a list of the "perpetrators" according to "9/11-investigator":

1,500 people who worked the flight 93 crash scene
40,000 people who worked the piles at Ground Zero
55 FBI Evidence Response Teams at Fresh Kills in New York
7,000+ FBI Agents
8,000+ people who worked the scene at the Pentagon
Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl, Ph.D., P.E. / Aine M. Brazil, P.E., S.E. / Alan Rosa, P.E., S.E. / Alfred D. Barcenilla, Sr., P.E. / Allan Jowsey, Ph.D. / Allyn Kilsheimer, P.E., S.E. / Amit Bandyopadhyay, S.E. / Amy Zelson Mundorff / Anamaria Bonilla, S.E. / Andre Sidler, P.E., S.E. / Andrei Reinhorn, Ph.D., P.E., S.E. / Andrew Coats, P.E., S.E. / Andrew McConnell, S.E. / Andrew Mueller-Lust, S.E. / Andrew Pontecorvo, P.E. / Andrew Whittaker, Ph.D., P.E., S.E. / Anthony Kirk US&R Structural Specialist / Anthony W. Chuliver, S.E. / Antoine E. Naaman, Ph.D. / Antranig M. Ouzoonian, P.E. / Arlan Dobson, FEMA Region 2 DAS / Arthur Schuerman, FDNY (ret.) / Asif Usmani, Ph.D., B.E. / August Domel, Ph.D., S.E., P.E. / Ayhan Irfanoglu, P.E., S.E. / Barbara Lane, Ph.D. / Bernie Denke, P.E. US&R Structural Specialist / Bill Cote / Bill Coulbourne, P.E., S.E. / Bill Crowley, special agent, FBI / Bill Daly, senior vice president, Control Risks Group / Bill Scott (Capt. USAF, Ret.), / Bill Uher, NASA Langley Research Center / Bob Gray (I.U.O.E.) / Bonnie Manley, P.E., S.E. / Boris Hayda, P.E., S.E. / Brian Lyons, Tully / Brian McElhatten, S.E. / Brian Smith (Col.), Chief Deputy Medical Examiner, Dover AFB / Brian Tokarczik, P.E., S.E. / Charles Hirsch, M.D. / Charles J. Carter, P.E., S.E. / Charles Thornton, P.E. / Charlie Vitchers / Christoph Hoffmann, Ph.D., Purdue University / Christopher E. Marrion, P.E. / Christopher M. Hewitt, AISC / Christopher N. McCowan / Chuck Guardia, S.E. / Conrad Paulson, P.E., S.E. / Curtis S.D. Massey / D. Stanton Korista, P.E., S.E. / Dan Doyle (IW 40) / Dan Eschenasy, P.E., S.E. / Dan Koch Jr. / Daniel A. Cuoco, P.E / Daniele Veneziano, P.E. / David Biggs, P.E., S.E. / David Cooper, P.E. / David Davidowitz, ConEd / David Hoy, S.E. / David J. Hammond, P.E., S.E. / David Leach, P.E. / David M. Parks, ME / David Newland Sc.D., FREng. / David Peraza, P.E., S.E. / David Ranlet / David Schomburg / David Sharp, S.E. / David T. Biggs, P.E. / Dean Koutsoubis, S.E. / Dean Tills, P.E. / Delbert Boring, P.E. / Dennis Clark (IST) / Dennis Dirkmaat, Ph.D. / Dennis Mileti, Ph.D. / Dennis Smith / Dharam Pal, M.E. / Dick Posthauer, S.E. / Donald Friedman, P.E. / Donald O. Dusenberry, P.E. / Ed Jacoby Jr., NYSEMO / Ed McGinley, P.E. / Ed Plaugher, Chief, Arlington FD / Edward A. Flynn, Arlington Police Chief / Edward M. DePaola, P.E., S.E. / Edward Stinnette, Chief, FCFD / Eiji Fukuzawa / Fahim Sadek, P.E., S.E. / Farid Alfawakhiri, Ph.D., P.E., S.E. / Frank Vallebuono, FDNY Battalion Chief / Anthony Varriale, FDNY Captain / Frank Cruthers, FDNY Chief / Frank Fellini, FDNY Chief / Joseph Callan, FDNY Chief / Daniel Nigro, FDNY Chief of Operations / Nick Visconti, FDNY Deputy Chief / Peter Hayden, FDNY Deputy Chief / Sam Melisi, FDNY Firefighter / Forman Williams, Ph.D., P.E. / Francis J. Lombardi, P.E. / Frank Gayle, Sc.D. / Frank Greening, Ph.D. / Fred E.C. Culick, Ph.D., S.B. / Fred Endrikat, FEMA USAR / Gary Keith, V.P. NFPA / Gary Steficek, S.E. / Gary Tokle, Asst. VP, NFPA / George Tamaro, P.E., S.E. / Gerald Haynes, P.E. / Gerald Wellman US&R Structural Specialist / Glenn Corbett / Graeme Flint / Guy Colonna, P.E., NFPA / Guylene Proulx, Ph.D. / H.S. Lew, P.E., S.E. / Hal Bidlack, Lt. Col. USAF (ret.), Ph.D. / Harold E. Nelson, P.E., FSFP.E. / Harry Martin, AISC / Howard R. Baum, Ph.D., M.E. / J. David Frost, Ph.D., P.E. / J. David McColskey / Jack Brown Deputy Chief Loudoun County (Va.) Fire Rescue Department / Jack Messagno, WTC project Manager (Tully) / Jack Spencer, P.E. / Jacques Grandino, P.E., S.E. / James A. Rossberg, P.E. / James Chastain US&R Structural Specialist / James H. Fahey, S.E. / James J. Cohen, P.E., S.E. / James J. 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[KreeL]

Why not simply release all the information withheld by the government concerning 9/11 into the public domain so you guys can see how feeble your theory is?

You wouldn't need an investigation, the non-toofers would need kevlar.

[9/11-investigator]

Meacher isn't a cabinet minister but is in fact rather stupid.

Here's a list of the "perpetrators" according to "9/11-investigator":

Ridiculous insinuation. Here is the list of the 12 perpetrators of 9/11:


http://how911wasdone.blogspot.com/#plotters

And Meacher WAS a cabinet minister but what do you know about the rest of the world:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Meacher

Despite Blair's hostility, Meacher gained a reputation for being a politician who was on top of a complex brief[4] and was one of the longest serving minsters in the Labour government, from 1997-2003.

[KreeL]

You don't think the government is holding back?:confused:

Another logic bomb takes out a chipmunk.;)

[240-185]

Ridiculous insinuation. Here is the list of the 12 perpetrators of 9/11:
http://how911wasdone.blogspot.com/#plotters

...which is based on the only thing that these persons on the list *might* have some links with Israeli. Without looking at how vague your accusations are.

[9/11-investigator]

how much does the ADL pay you?

I am paid by the SPLC, the Moral Voice of America.
http://blog.balder.org/billeder-blog/Mark-Potok-SPLC-President-240.jpg

The fact that creeps like Potok are on top in America says it all.

[T.A.M.]

Why not simply release all the information withheld by the government concerning 9/11 into the public domain so you guys can see how feeble your theory is?

You wouldn't need an investigation, the non-toofers would need kevlar.

are you serious? so just declassify everything, and let investigooglers like your self, AND TERRORISTS etc..., have at it, state secrets or otherwise.

honestly, do you live in reality, or just visit from time to time?

TAM:)

[ACGravity]

1) What would you consider to be an unbiased investigation?
A criminal investigation with the power to subpeona witnesses, held in a court room and televised to the entire world. 9/11 Truth vs. 9/11 Debunkers. With a full spectrum review of all relevant evidence. The Jury would be the entire world audience watching on TV.

2) Who should carry it out? Give me names.
The investigation or the trial? There's not much left to investigate because Rudy Giuliani had all the evidence destroyed in violation of Federal Crime Scene Laws. There should have been a standard fire/arson investigation done following NFPA Protocol, but it's a little late for that now...

3) Who should fund it? (Tax payers? Government? Private companies? UN?)
Tax payers do fund the Government so that's a bit rhetorical...
I think the Central Bankers who own the Federal Reserve should have to fund it with their private bank accounts but that'll never happen either.

4) Who should testify?
Bush and Cheney for one... To avoid the game of charades they played last time...
Karl Rove still hasn't gone to court, so I don't know how much I can say for the word "Justice" in America right now...

5) Which experts should be called to offer analysis? Names please.
Of course experts from both sides. Give them both a fair shot and let the entire world be the jury to the evidence presented...

6) Should anyone be banned from testifying? If so, who and why?
No... and they should all be under oath, unlike Bush and Cheney.

7) At the end of it all, who would you trust to pass final judgment on the evidence?
Like I said, do a live TV Trial with a full spectrum of evidence (not like these history channel specials which ignore all the hard core conspiracies and evidence like molten steel and the thermite) Lay it ALL out on the table, show the debate to the world on LIVE TV and let the people of the world be the Jury.

[Pardalis]

Again with a TV trial.

Do we have any adult truthers left?

[ozeco41]

Again with a TV trial.

Do we have any adult truthers left?
Oxymoron? "adult truthers"? ;)

[JimBenArm]

Oh! I know! We'll have an elimination contest, like American Idol. The bestest of the best theories will all assemble, and they'll present their evidence in front of a live audience, with three judges. One will be foreign, and be really mean. One will be a really overly-nice one, and the other will be from an ethnic group to give it a proper balance.
The next night, if they don't get enough support from the callers, they'll be lined up and summarily executed!
Any ideas for names? Judges?

[ozeco41]

1) What would you consider to be an unbiased investigation?
A criminal investigation with the power to subpeona witnesses, held in a court room and televised to the entire world. 9/11 Truth vs. 9/11 Debunkers. With a full spectrum review of all relevant evidence. The Jury would be the entire world audience watching on TV.

2) Who should carry it out? Give me names.
The investigation or the trial? There's not much left to investigate because Rudy Giuliani had all the evidence destroyed in violation of Federal Crime Scene Laws. There should have been a standard fire/arson investigation done following NFPA Protocol, but it's a little late for that now...

3) Who should fund it? (Tax payers? Government? Private companies? UN?)
Tax payers do fund the Government so that's a bit rhetorical...
I think the Central Bankers who own the Federal Reserve should have to fund it with their private bank accounts but that'll never happen either.

4) Who should testify?
Bush and Cheney for one... To avoid the game of charades they played last time...
Karl Rove still hasn't gone to court, so I don't know how much I can say for the word "Justice" in America right now...

5) Which experts should be called to offer analysis? Names please.
Of course experts from both sides. Give them both a fair shot and let the entire world be the jury to the evidence presented...

6) Should anyone be banned from testifying? If so, who and why?
No... and they should all be under oath, unlike Bush and Cheney.

7) At the end of it all, who would you trust to pass final judgment on the evidence?
Like I said, do a live TV Trial with a full spectrum of evidence (not like these history channel specials which ignore all the hard core conspiracies and evidence like molten steel and the thermite) Lay it ALL out on the table, show the debate to the world on LIVE TV and let the people of the world be the Jury.

What I would like to see come before the "How we do it" procedural stuff is "What is it we want investigated"

So lets see what it is that the "truther side would wish to be investigated.

THEN we can ask them "What is wrong with what has been done?"

..and several more steps before we need to look at procedure.

So ACGravity - what would be (say) the top three issues you are concerned need a new investigation?

[Pardalis]

Oh! I know! We'll have an elimination contest, like American Idol. The bestest of the best theories will all assemble, and they'll present their evidence in front of a live audience, with three judges. One will be foreign, and be really mean. One will be a really overly-nice one, and the other will be from an ethnic group to give it a proper balance.
The next night, if they don't get enough support from the callers, they'll be lined up and summarily executed!
Any ideas for names? Judges?

American Idol and CSI, this is what the young generation thinks the justice system should look like. :rolleyes:

[tsig]

1) What would you consider to be an unbiased investigation?
A criminal investigation with the power to subpeona witnesses, held in a court room and televised to the entire world. 9/11 Truth vs. 9/11 Debunkers. With a full spectrum review of all relevant evidence. The Jury would be the entire world audience watching on TV.

2) Who should carry it out? Give me names.
The investigation or the trial? There's not much left to investigate because Rudy Giuliani had all the evidence destroyed in violation of Federal Crime Scene Laws. There should have been a standard fire/arson investigation done following NFPA Protocol, but it's a little late for that now...

3) Who should fund it? (Tax payers? Government? Private companies? UN?)
Tax payers do fund the Government so that's a bit rhetorical...
I think the Central Bankers who own the Federal Reserve should have to fund it with their private bank accounts but that'll never happen either.

4) Who should testify?
Bush and Cheney for one... To avoid the game of charades they played last time...
Karl Rove still hasn't gone to court, so I don't know how much I can say for the word "Justice" in America right now...

5) Which experts should be called to offer analysis? Names please.
Of course experts from both sides. Give them both a fair shot and let the entire world be the jury to the evidence presented...

6) Should anyone be banned from testifying? If so, who and why?
No... and they should all be under oath, unlike Bush and Cheney.

7) At the end of it all, who would you trust to pass final judgment on the evidence?
Like I said, do a live TV Trial with a full spectrum of evidence (not like these history channel specials which ignore all the hard core conspiracies and evidence like molten steel and the thermite) Lay it ALL out on the table, show the debate to the world on LIVE TV and let the people of the world be the Jury.

I believe I'll stick with my own judgment that planes + 19 pissed off Muslims + fire did it.

[Pardalis]

let the people of the world be the Jury.

This is a frightening thought, isn't it?

A world wide mob decides.

[ozeco41]

1) What would you consider to be an unbiased investigation?
A criminal investigation with the power to subpeona witnesses, held in a court room and televised to the entire world. 9/11 Truth vs. 9/11 Debunkers. With a full spectrum review of all relevant evidence. The Jury would be the entire world audience watching on TV...... Is your objective to prevent any possible criminal action against those who appear as witnesses? To give immunity to prosecution by compromising the rights of the potentially accused?

... 2) Who should carry it out? Give me names.
The investigation or the trial? There's not much left to investigate because Rudy Giuliani had all the evidence destroyed in violation of Federal Crime Scene Laws. There should have been a standard fire/arson investigation done following NFPA Protocol, but it's a little late for that now... why investigate if there is nothing to investigate? Plus statements such as this would prejudice the right to a fair trial if "published" in an inappropriate forum.

[nicepants]

let the people of the world be the Jury.

Would you also let the people of the world decide whether this is even necessary? If so, I think you already have your answer...NO.

Edit: I'm assuming that the verdict would be determined by the majority opinion.

[Slayhamlet]

Ridiculous insinuation. Here is the list of the 12 perpetrators of 9/11:


http://how911wasdone.blogspot.com/#plotters

Nice try. I'm not giving your crappy lie-filled blog any hits.

And Meacher WAS a cabinet minister but what do you know about the rest of the world:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Meacher

Despite Blair's hostility, Meacher gained a reputation for being a politician who was on top of a complex brief[4] and was one of the longest serving minsters in the Labour government, from 1997-2003.

Yes, he was a cabinet minister, but he isn't now and wasn't at the time he made his dumb comment about 9/11.

[beachnut]

I believe I'll stick with my own judgment that planes + 19 pissed off Muslims + fire did it.

Did these kool-aid drinking 911Truth followers miss the many investigations and studies? Are they researched challenged and knowledge challenged?

I agree with your assessment and plot too complex for 911Truth.
Kill pilots, fly planes into buildings.

What the heck can 911Truth want now? 7 years and ACGravity missed the boat.

[Gaspode]

Some posts moved to AAH.

Keep it civil and on-topic from now on please.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

1) What would you consider to be an unbiased investigation?
A criminal investigation with the power to subpeona witnesses, held in a court room and televised to the entire world. 9/11 Truth vs. 9/11 Debunkers. With a full spectrum review of all relevant evidence. The Jury would be the entire world audience watching on TV.


...the hell? He asks about an unbiased investigation and you jump right to a televised criminal trial?

ETA: The obvious question then is, "Who is the prosecution and who is the defense?"

2) Who should carry it out? Give me names.
The investigation or the trial? There's not much left to investigate because Rudy Giuliani had all the evidence destroyed in violation of Federal Crime Scene Laws. There should have been a standard fire/arson investigation done following NFPA Protocol, but it's a little late for that now...


If you truly believe this, then I wonder what evidence you think truthers could bring forth in even your televised trial that would stand against the years-long, well-funded studies of numerous organizations.

Or are you suggesting that, since you believe there is no more evidence for 9/11, that we move right to a public, televised trial?

3) Who should fund it? (Tax payers? Government? Private companies? UN?)
Tax payers do fund the Government so that's a bit rhetorical...
I think the Central Bankers who own the Federal Reserve should have to fund it with their private bank accounts but that'll never happen either.


What's the relevance? Is there any reason you feel they should fund the trial (since you seem to have concluded in #2 that no investigation is even possible), other than them just having a lot of money? Maybe Bill Gates or Warren Buffet should fund the trial?

4) Who should testify?
Bush and Cheney for one... To avoid the game of charades they played last time...


Errr... charades? I don't think that's the game you meant to use.

5) Which experts should be called to offer analysis? Names please.
Of course experts from both sides. Give them both a fair shot and let the entire world be the jury to the evidence presented...


Ahh... You wish then for the truth about 9/11 to be decided by a popularity vote?

7) At the end of it all, who would you trust to pass final judgment on the evidence?
Like I said, do a live TV Trial with a full spectrum of evidence (not like these history channel specials which ignore all the hard core conspiracies and evidence like molten steel and the thermite) Lay it ALL out on the table, show the debate to the world on LIVE TV and let the people of the world be the Jury.


All of it? You do realize that much of the "evidence" truthers put forth is mutually exclusive, don't you? What purpose would that serve other than make a mockery of the system and utterly confuse everyone?

[TexasJack]

Oh! I know! We'll have an elimination contest, like American Idol. The bestest of the best theories will all assemble, and they'll present their evidence in front of a live audience, with three judges. One will be foreign, and be really mean. One will be a really overly-nice one, and the other will be from an ethnic group to give it a proper balance.
The next night, if they don't get enough support from the callers, they'll be lined up and summarily executed!
Any ideas for names? Judges?

I think OBL and KSM would make great judges...oh wait, they wouldn't, because they have already admitted to the crime. I think we should leave it truthers if they should be on the panel.