Truthers and movies

[Mainstreammedia]

Why do they seem to read so much meaning into popular movies, and see stuff that nobody else sees?
Half the time they use expressions like "take the red pill, man" or reference popular truther movies like V for Vendetta.
But why? Just because they're young dudes who spends most of the time smoking joints and watching movies, or do they just live in a fantasy world most of the time...

Here's a post from the looser-forum about "Shooter"

This got a bit to do with what we are fighting for. It shows corruption and much more in the governments through that movie.

Although, you cannot know what the point of the movie is since for instance distributed by companies that have jewish CEO's and we all know how much power they have at this moment .. and how they control usa etc.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=12078


Christ! I guess their little fantasy need some outside reindorcement every now and then, and blockbuster is the place to go!

[MarkyX]

Shooter, while it had awesome action scenes, had a nonsense unrealistic plot to it. I guess I can see why 9/11 deniers like it, since their theories are nonsense unrealistic plots. Funny how they feel encouraged by fictional movies.

[T.A.M.]

It is a product of the generation. The upcoming generation have a hard time reading books, they rely on videos and the internet for all of their knowledge. So when they see a concept in a film that fits into their skewed, paranoid, but exciting and narcisistic world view, they latch onto it and treat it like a quasi-docmentary, a completely blurred divide between fact and fiction, where the both continuously meet and overlap.

TAM:)

[T.A.M.]

I can almost guarantee the following movies are in 90% of truthers top 10:

1-3. The Matrix I, II, III
4. V for Vendetta
5. Loose Change
6. Star Wars Trilogy
7. LoTR Trilogy

The last two are in my top ten as well, though for #6 it would be the first trilogy, not the latter.

TAM:)

[Gravy]

I've only seen part of the first Matrix movie (turned it off because I thought it was dreadful). What does it offer the truthers?

[Pardalis]

I've only seen part of the first Matrix movie (turned it off because I thought it was dreadful). What does it offer the truthers?

I think the plot is about reality not being what it really is, we're living in a fake world, created to lull us while we are in fact being controlled by machines, or something...

[8den]

I've only seen part of the first Matrix movie (turned it off because I thought it was dreadful). What does it offer the truthers?

Part of it is badside action and science fiction. Part of it is the scene with Morpheus and Neo, Morpheus offers Neo enlightment, the truth if he takes the blue pill. Ignorance and a peaceful life if he takes the red pill.

Truthers see themselves as Neo, they take the blue pill, "the troof", and fight a war aganist sinister NWO forces. The rest of us are "red pills" shepple, too afraid to deal with the truth.

Thankfully we're spared the next two movies as well, as they slide into a load of pseudo science pretentious incoherent crap. Which I think is an accurate summerisation of the troof.

[Corsair 115]

I can almost guarantee the following movies are in 90% of truthers top 10:

1-3. The Matrix I, II, III Okay, how can anyone rate The Matrix Reloaded near the top of any list? It was an awful, awful film!

[Mainstreammedia]

twoofermode
Oh man! The Matrix is DA BOMB MAN! It tells you how it really is! How a brave band of computer-hackers have to fight the evil system man!
The Wachowsky-brothers are TOTALLY truthers! They also made V for Vendetta, they're tottaly in on it, but can't come out, becauze of all the zionists that control hollywood!
/twoofermode


I wonder if the studios don't actually do a bit of virus-marketing aimed at turthers. I was thinking of a title like V for Vendetta, which wouldn't take much of an effort to make popular among the twoofer-demographic. They might not be many, but they don't mind spending their money on seeing the same movie two or three times, in theaters. AND getting the tshirts...

What do our Hollywood-insiders think... Do we see any guerilla/virus marketing aimed at twoofers?

[slingblade]

I've only seen part of the first Matrix movie (turned it off because I thought it was dreadful). What does it offer the truthers?


The group that showed Loose Change at the local college here a year ago is
called "The Red Pill," as is their newsletter.

Also, I've noticed a new commercial on TV and a gaming related website online, marketing the Toyota Scion.

http://www.brandweek.com/bw/magazine/current/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003602698

The younger-skewing Toyota subcompact has created an ultraviolent online game called Little Deviant while also embracing rock and metal music to launch its latest model.

Located at littledeviant.com, the game features creatures called deviants traveling through a city in search of sheeple (a person with a herd-ish mentality) to destroy.

A 60-second cinema spot, launched last week, shows the deviants riding into a town in an xD. They then consume and terrorize the sheeple.

I found it jarring the first time I head a commercial talking about destroying sheeple. Creepy, even.

[The Demon's Head]

I can almost guarantee the following movies are in 90% of truthers top 10:

1-3. The Matrix I, II, III
4. V for Vendetta
5. Loose Change
6. Star Wars Trilogy
7. LoTR Trilogy

The last two are in my top ten as well, though for #6 it would be the first trilogy, not the latter.

TAM:)

It is funny that truthers didn't recognize V for Vendetta before it was adapted into film. V for Vendetta has been around for quite some time now. The film carries a anti-Bush message which is exactly why truthers use it in certain ways to push their theories and perhaps is why it wasn't recognized by them before its adaptation.

Alan Moore disassociated himself from the film because the film contained plot holes and the adaptation wasn't what he wrote in the comic.

I'm torn between liking the film to a certain degree and viewing it as a dissapointment. Not sticking close to the source material by changing certain things to make it a romantic story was rather dissapointing among other things.

Bottom line, truthers like it because it seems to sort of fit in with their theories in their view.

[Mainstreammedia]

Bottom line, truthers like it because it seems to sort of fit in with their theories in their view.

And because they all seem to share a fantasy, of being in the front of a mob of a hundred thousand people wearing Guy Fawkes masks, marching up to the white house.

:rolleyes:

It's pathetic, but I'll bet you a hundred bucks, that every single truther has had that thought! And most amazingly: That it seems like an actual political alternative to them...

[Redtail]

The group that showed Loose Change at the local college here a year ago is
called "The Red Pill," as is their newsletter.

Also, I've noticed a new commercial on TV and a gaming related website online, marketing the Toyota Scion.

http://www.brandweek.com/bw/magazine/current/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003602698



I found it jarring the first time I head a commercial talking about destroying sheeple. Creepy, even.


Yeah it's in movie theatres too. Saw it before Transformers and Harry Potter. It didn't bother me much because all I could think is "How much of a badass can one be driving around in a freaking scion"?

[slingblade]

Yeah it's in movie theatres too. Saw it before Transformers and Harry Potter. It didn't bother me much because all I could think is "How much of a badass can one be driving around in a freaking scion"?

:D

(you're supposed to ignore that and want the car anyway, since obviously Toyota "gets you," man. Sheesh. Or should I quietly hiss "shhhhhhhheeeeeple" at you? ;))

[T.A.M.]

It is funny that truthers didn't recognize V for Vendetta before it was adapted into film. V for Vendetta has been around for quite some time now. The film carries a anti-Bush message which is exactly why truthers use it in certain ways to push their theories and perhaps is why it wasn't recognized by them before its adaptation....Bottom line, truthers like it because it seems to sort of fit in with their theories in their view.

See my post just prior to my post of the truther top movie list...

TAM:)

[PhantomWolf]

I'm surprised that they don't like Enermy of the State as well. Actually they should try and get Will Smith to become a truther, considering his movies...

[The Demon's Head]

See my post just prior to my post of the truther top movie list...

TAM:)

In that post are you saying I can't read since you speak of a newer generation not wanting to read ;)

[T.A.M.]

In that post are you saying I can't read since you speak of a newer generation not wanting to read ;)

lol...I am saying that your generation (if you are 25 or less) as a WHOLE, is less interested in reading, and as a result is not as good at it. I think this is do to the natural human tendency towards what is easier, which for your generation, as a WHOLE, is to sit back and passively listen to people ON TV and FILM tell you things. This is a bad thing, but I would not blame you, unfortunately, but perhaps my generation, the one just before yours, and my parents generation even, for allowing it to happen.

of course, Demon's Head, as you and other young debunkers here I am sure prove, there are EXCEPTIONS.

TAM;)

[T.A.M.]

Here is the difference, I feel in my generation, and the kooks of the new one.

My generation:

"V" was a movie and series about Lizard Aliens coming to earth, disguised to look like humans, and taking over the planet.

Our response to the movie...cool, that would be horrible, but wouldn't it be awesome to be a fighter against such an invasion if it ever happened.

The truth movement generation:

"V" (for Vendetta) is how the world really works man. This is what is actually going on. We've got to stop it...we've got to stop the man.


TAM;)

[BillyRayValentine]

Why do they seem to read so much meaning into popular movies, and see stuff that nobody else sees?

At least for some - not all, but some - it's because they're borderline mentally ill.

That Bermas creep comes to mind. :yikes:

[The Demon's Head]

lol...I am saying that your generation (if you are 25 or less) as a WHOLE, is less interested in reading, and as a result is not as good at it. I think this is do to the natural human tendency towards what is easier, which for your generation, as a WHOLE, is to sit back and passively listen to people ON TV and FILM tell you things. This is a bad thing, but I would not blame you, unfortunately, but perhaps my generation, the one just before yours, and my parents generation even, for allowing it to happen.

of course, Demon's Head, as you and other young debunkers here I am sure prove, there are EXCEPTIONS.

TAM;)

I don't know if I consider myself a debunker. There are others that take their time to debunk claims and do quite well at it. I just make interesting comments :D

Here is the difference, I feel in my generation, and the kooks of the new one.

My generation:

"V" was a movie and series about Lizard Aliens coming to earth, disguised to look like humans, and taking over the planet.

Interesting that you bring up the aliens. Any form of extraterrestrial type would be far superior in ways of combat and technology when compared to humans, or at least that's the way it is presented in literary form and film.

Our response to the movie...cool, that would be horrible, but wouldn't it be awesome to be a fighter against such an invasion if it ever happened.

The truth movement generation:

"V" (for Vendetta) is how the world really works man. This is what is actually going on. We've got to stop it...we've got to stop the man.


TAM;)

Things tend to get tarnished when truthers try to interpret them. Especially their interpretation of V for Vendetta.

[e^n]

Indeed, V for Vendetta was an average film and a better book. Children of Men on the other hand was a pretty decent book and an astounding film. What most 'truthers' fail to realise about Children of Men though is that the governmental fascism essentially prolonged the life of Britain as a functioning society, allowing the 'cure' to be found.

[Gravy]

...I found it jarring the first time I head a commercial talking about destroying sheeple. Creepy, even.I have a plan to combat that: mint sol-jelly.

[quixotecoyote]

In Toyota's defense, I'd bet they had no idea they were making the troof connection.

[Alareth]

Something in your generational comparison sparked a memory T.A.M.

A few years ago there was this 15/16 year old kid acting like a complete idiot and I called him on it. He looked me right in the eye and said, "You just don't understand, it's an MTV generation thing."

I snapped on the poor unsuspecting fool.

"I AM the MTV generation you little punk. I saw the first video on MTV. I watched it when it was ABOUT MUSIC. Before Real World, before Road Rules, before that talentless [rule8] Carson Daily and TRL. I watched it BEFORE YOU WERE BORN."

[Pardalis]

My generation:

"V" was a movie and series about Lizard Aliens coming to earth, disguised to look like humans, and taking over the planet.


Mmmmmh, Diana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visitors_%28V_TV_series%29#Diana), my first clue love. :redface1

[Alareth]

Freddie Krueger, Reptile Veternarian

[Alareth]

I just realised, the purpose of V was actually to make us aware of, and more accepting of the Reptoid Illuminati Overlords.

[DarkMagician]

Part of it is badside action and science fiction. Part of it is the scene with Morpheus and Neo, Morpheus offers Neo enlightment, the truth if he takes the blue pill. Ignorance and a peaceful life if he takes the red pill.

Truthers see themselves as Neo, they take the blue pill, "the troof", and fight a war aganist sinister NWO forces. The rest of us are "red pills" shepple, too afraid to deal with the truth.

Thankfully we're spared the next two movies as well, as they slide into a load of pseudo science pretentious incoherent crap. Which I think is an accurate summerisation of the troof.

Aside from the pills (Ignorance is the blue pill, while the truth is the red) that's about it.

Okay, how can anyone rate The Matrix Reloaded near the top of any list? It was an awful, awful film!

The Matrix Reloaded wasn't a bad film IMHO. It wouldn't be at the top of anyone's list, but it wasn't completely and utterly horrible like Revolutions was.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Kooks in general love to believe that big-budget movies are used by the elite to send subtle messages/warnings to us lowly slaves. Back when Deep Impact and Armageddon were released, I heard people claiming it was a subtle way of preparing us for the comet/asteroid that the powers-that-be had already discovered will impact the Earth.

They also believe[d] that movies like Independence Day and War of the Worlds were meant to prepare us for the inevitable alien invasion.

:rolleyes:

[PhantomWolf]

I just realised, the purpose of V was actually to make us aware of, and more accepting of the Reptoid Illuminati Overlords.

That's it. No more David Ickle bedtime stories for you young man.

[Triterope]

I've only seen part of the first Matrix movie (turned it off because I thought it was dreadful). What does it offer the truthers?

Arrogance.

The point of the movie is not just that society is being secretly controlled by machines. It's that only a few people, only the super-elite, only the most bad-ass, only the super-cool action heroes and hot chicks, are capable of seeing the real world for what it is, and fighting against it. See if you can guess who that represents in the Twoofer cosmology.

The Matrix films are perfect analogy for how the Twoofers, and conspiracy theorists in general, view the world. They think they're the only ones who know the real truth, and the rest of us are just walking around in a fog. You can see it in their writing, in the language they use. Not just Matrix tropes like "red pill", but in the revolutionary language they use to describe themselves, and the ubiquitous insult "sheeple." (Which is also ironic, because nobody's more of a sheep than these brain-dead, cut-and-pasting cliche-spewing idiots that make up the Twoof movement. But that's another post.)

If you ask me, most of the appeal of conspiracy theory is in the instant elitism it gives you. It's in the idea that only you are enough of an intellectual giant to know the real truth, and that everyone else is just a dumb sheep. Even if they spent 20 years and a decade of college studying aeronautics, and you spent 20 minutes reading PrisonPlanet, you know more than them because you are UNPLUGGED FROM TEH MATRIX LOL.

Conspiracy theory is intellectualism for people who don't like intellectuals, but want to be one.

[slingblade]

I have a plan to combat that: mint sol-jelly.

I think.....do not want!!!! See, I asked Google, and it asked me if I wanted mind soul-jelly instead.

I can see right through your harmless, fluffy butterfly wings! GAAAAAAAAAAAH!


<runs away>

[Devil's Advocate]

People read too much into movies? I disagree. See?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9bm_dj-XwQ

That is da troof!


*edit* I do not know the code to have the movie play here.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

If you ask me, most of the appeal of conspiracy theory is in the instant elitism it gives you. It's in the idea that only you are enough of an intellectual giant to know the real truth, and that everyone else is just a dumb sheep. Even if they spent 20 years and a decade of college studying aeronautics, and you spent 20 minutes reading PrisonPlanet, you know more than them because you are UNPLUGGED FROM TEH MATRIX LOL.


I think the sense of elitism comes from the belief that they're one of the relatively few people mentally and emotionally capable of coming to grips with the horrendous "reality" of the world.

They don't have the brains, but they can pretend to have the balls...

[Brainster]

Alan Moore disassociated himself from the film because the film contained plot holes and the adaptation wasn't what he wrote in the comic.

It was an exceedingly silly and ridiculous comic to begin with. I tried to take it seriously, right up until the point where the girl's mother took her upstairs to tell her that "Africa wasn't there any more." Because of course in an exchange of nukes between the US and the USSR, somehow African would be wiped out while England survived.

I'd love to see something like Tom Strong or 1963 brought to the screen, but I won't hold my breath.

[Alt+F4]

I am saying that your generation (if you are 25 or less) as a WHOLE, is less interested in reading, and as a result is not as good at it.

Agreed.

Me: Milton, I need you to go to the book room and do me a favor.
Milton: Do I have to READ those books?
Me: No Milton, I'm asking you to move the books, not read them.

[The Doc]

When I saw Shooter I couldn't help but think that the conspiracists would love it.

[T.A.M.]

Here is a good example...

Find 100 people of age 25 or less. Ask them if they know how to tell time on a regular, analog clock. Make them prove it. Of those who can, ask them at what approximate age they were able to do so, versus a digital clock.

TAM:)

[Segnosaur]

Okay, how can anyone rate The Matrix Reloaded near the top of any list? It was an awful, awful film!

Hey, I actually liked Matrix Reloaded. Not to put it on my top 10 list, but probably the one I liked most of the 3. It had (in my opinion) the best action scenes, plus it brought in a lot of interesting plot elements (like how the machines needed 'free' humans to survive, etc.)

Now, Matrix Revolutions... that was a disappointment.

[negativ]

And because they all seem to share a fantasy, of being in the front of a mob of a hundred thousand people wearing Guy Fawkes masks, marching up to the white house.

You mean like THIS?

http://www.givemeliberty.org/RTP2/UPDATES/Update2006-11-18.htm

:D


Also, almost any link at http://zombietime.com will feature a photo of at least one Troofer on one SF Bay area protest march or another, and a high percentage of them sport Guy Fawkes masks.....

[slingblade]

Here is a good example...

Find 100 people of age 25 or less. Ask them if they know how to tell time on a regular, analog clock. Make them prove it. Of those who can, ask them at what approximate age they were able to do so, versus a digital clock.

TAM:)

For a while there, it was "ask them to tie your shoes." Your shoes, not theirs, as it was a better-than-good chance their shoes latched with Velcro, and they had no idea shoes ever tied. :D

Well, my kids did, but then, I was their mom, so of course they did.

I also taught them to tell time properly. You're welcome. :p

[T.A.M.]

For a while there, it was "ask them to tie your shoes." Your shoes, not theirs, as it was a better-than-good chance their shoes latched with Velcro, and they had no idea shoes ever tied. :D

Well, my kids did, but then, I was their mom, so of course they did.

I also taught them to tell time properly. You're welcome. :p

You would be amazed how many children under 12 cannot tie their own shoes or tell analog time...it is appauling.

TAM:)

[The Demon's Head]

It was an exceedingly silly and ridiculous comic to begin with. I tried to take it seriously, right up until the point where the girl's mother took her upstairs to tell her that "Africa wasn't there any more." Because of course in an exchange of nukes between the US and the USSR, somehow African would be wiped out while England survived.

I'd love to see something like Tom Strong or 1963 brought to the screen, but I won't hold my breath.

Well, even if some think it is a silly comic, it and The Watchmen is partly why Alan Moore is so well known and recognized as one of the finer creators in coimcs.

[slingblade]

You would be amazed how many children under 12 cannot tie their own shoes or tell analog time...it is appauling.

TAM:)

Well, no, dear, I would not be amazed. That's exactly why I made sure mine did know how, and that was almost 30 years ago. ;)

[steve s]

You would be amazed how many children under 12 cannot tie their own shoes or tell analog time...it is appauling.

TAM:)

It's appalling how many people can't spell "appalling." ;)

For the record, I still tie my shoes using the 2-bunny-ears method. When I was in kindergarten my mother tried to teach me the 1-loop-&-wrap-around method but I had trouble with it. There was a girl named Robin in my class who taught me to use the bunny-ears style, and I've done it that way ever since. It's embarrassing when people notice.

Steve S.

[T.A.M.]

Well, no, dear, I would not be amazed. That's exactly why I made sure mine did know how, and that was almost 30 years ago. ;)

Well 30 years ago, that explains it. 30 years ago, I was SIX, and my parents taught me to tie mine, and to read analog time. ;)


It's appalling how many people can't spell "appalling." ;)

For the record, I still tie my shoes using the 2-bunny-ears method. When I was in kindergarten my mother tried to teach me the 1-loop-&-wrap-around method but I had trouble with it. There was a girl named Robin in my class who taught me to use the bunny-ears style, and I've done it that way ever since. It's embarrassing when people notice.

Steve S.

I am Appalled at your correction of my silly spelling error, but point taken...I am not the greatest speller...oh well.

TAM;)

[The Doc]

I kind of liked the first Matrix film. Then I saw the second and third. As a trilogy, the Matrix stinks. But the first film on its own was pretty cool.

Die Hard... now that was a good trilogy. I have yet to see the forth though, so it's still a trilogy to me ;)

[slingblade]

Well 30 years ago, that explains it. 30 years ago, I was SIX, and my parents taught me to tie mine, and to read analog time. ;)

Yeah, but ya said 25 and under, and mine aren't far from that, at 28 and 27. [EDIT: shoot, no you didn't; you said 12. Where did I get 25? Someone bring the moron stick.]

My big important point (:D) was that 30 years ago, shoes began to come with Velcro straps. Clocks went digital even before that.

It marked the beginning of the downfall of our civilization, if ya ask me. :cool:

[The Demon's Head]

I kind of liked the first Matrix film. Then I saw the second and third. As a trilogy, the Matrix stinks. But the first film on its own was pretty cool.

The sequels to The Matrix are inferior. It still seems that some are quite obsessed with the first film as if it is the best film ever made.

Die Hard... now that was a good trilogy. I have yet to see the forth though, so it's still a trilogy to me ;)

Some say it is a spectacular film while others say it is rather dumb.

[Brainster]

Well, even if some think it is a silly comic, it and The Watchmen is partly why Alan Moore is so well known and recognized as one of the finer creators in coimcs.

Watchmen was quite entertaining, but of course the ending is highly unsatisfactory.

Moore's more recent stuff from ABC (Tom Strong, Top 10, Tomorrow Stories, LoEG) is much better. Nihilism never did it for me.

ETA: Although he did sabotage Top 10 and LoEG when he learned that DC was taking over the imprint.

[Whiplash]

Okay, how can anyone rate The Matrix Reloaded near the top of any list? It was an awful, awful film!

:(

Reloaded is my favorite of the triology!

I love that big chateau fight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyS1Uqkjrq0) with Neo vs all the guys with the weapons on the stairs. It's furious and intense! When Neo is hacking away furiously at the guys it looks very real to me. I felt it was very well choreographed and played out. I also loved the music in that part.

I'll admit the stuff in Zion was utterly boring however.

[jberryhill]

You would be amazed how many children under 12 cannot tie their own shoes or tell analog time...it is appauling.

Or saddle a horse, or use a slide rule, or speak Latin, or replace the tubes in the TV, or use carbon paper, or appreciate the aroma of a freshly mimeographed handout.

Man, I miss the good old days where we didn't need to buy snacks from the 7-11, with all of those lead paint chips around...

[LashL]

<snip>

They don't have the brains, but they can pretend to have the balls...


That is sig-worthy, that is :)

[Redtail]

Or saddle a horse, or use a slide rule, or speak Latin, or replace the tubes in the TV, or use carbon paper, or appreciate the aroma of a freshly mimeographed handout.

Man, I miss the good old days where we didn't need to buy snacks from the 7-11, with all of those lead paint chips around...

Awww is the young buck offended?:D

[gumboot]

As a member of this "young generation" you're all slagging off, I just want to protest. :p

We are not idiots. We are not incapable of reading, and we do not think movies are real. Conspiracy Theorists think that. The 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists are of my generation, because 9/11 is my generation's big conspiracy theory. I guarantee you there are plenty of elderly conspiracy theorists. They are more engrossed in the conspiracy of their generation.

The first conspiracy theorists I ever met was 60.

Please don't make the mistake of assuming conspiracy theorists are representative of my generation. They are not.

The absolute most frustrating thing about conspiracy theorists is how they tarnish my medium. The Matrix is a ground-breaking film. It is not "real", and it is not intended to be "real". It is a work of fiction. And it is a work of fiction worthy of recognition.

Conspiracy theorists latching on to films like The Matrix and using them to justify their world view is akin to moon hoaxers using Capricorn One. What conspiracy theorists fail to realise is that these sorts of films are not messages from the elite. These films are about them. All of these conspiracy-related films are inspired by the crazy people who actually believe that stuff. Because their ridiculous ideas make great fiction.

-Gumboot

[T.A.M.]

As a member of this "young generation" you're all slagging off, I just want to protest. :p

We are not idiots. We are not incapable of reading, and we do not think movies are real. Conspiracy Theorists think that. The 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists are of my generation, because 9/11 is my generation's big conspiracy theory. I guarantee you there are plenty of elderly conspiracy theorists. They are more engrossed in the conspiracy of their generation.

The first conspiracy theorists I ever met was 60.

Please don't make the mistake of assuming conspiracy theorists are representative of my generation. They are not.

The absolute most frustrating thing about conspiracy theorists is how they tarnish my medium. The Matrix is a ground-breaking film. It is not "real", and it is not intended to be "real". It is a work of fiction. And it is a work of fiction worthy of recognition.

Conspiracy theorists latching on to films like The Matrix and using them to justify their world view is akin to moon hoaxers using Capricorn One. What conspiracy theorists fail to realise is that these sorts of films are not messages from the elite. These films are about them. All of these conspiracy-related films are inspired by the crazy people who actually believe that stuff. Because their ridiculous ideas make great fiction.

-Gumboot


Gumboot:

As i said before, earlier in this thread, there are exceptions to the generalizations that were made, but I am telling you, from talking to many young patients in my practice, as well as family and friends, the new generation does not like to read, they do have trouble with analog time, and I can guarantee you less of them can tie their shoes correctly than a generation earlier.

jberryhill has a point, though. Some skills perhaps have faded because they are no longer needed. However, there are still lots of analog clocks around, and lots of sneakers still require tying. Books are still quite prevelent to. The problem is that the TV/Video Medium, I find, provides only snippets, sound bites of info. You really need to READ to obtain full details on things. Now I do not think you always need BOOKS, but by god, I at least, find it much easier to sit down and read 100 pages from a printed text, then to read 100 pages on a web page...but may be that is a generational thing as well.

Gumboot, I realize 9/11 is your generation's CT (though given I was 31 when it happened, I kind of feel it is my generations as well), but let me ask you, when the JFK CT was big, was it the same demographic? were the majority of JFK CTists teen and twenty something males? I honestly do not know, but I doubt it.

TAM:)

[gumboot]

As i said before, earlier in this thread, there are exceptions to the generalizations that were made, but I am telling you, from talking to many young patients in my practice, as well as family and friends, the new generation does not like to read, they do have trouble with analog time, and I can guarantee you less of them can tie their shoes correctly than a generation earlier.


You're talking children, right?





jberryhill has a point, though. Some skills perhaps have faded because they are no longer needed. However, there are still lots of analog clocks around, and lots of sneakers still require tying. Books are still quite prevelent to. The problem is that the TV/Video Medium, I find, provides only snippets, sound bites of info. You really need to READ to obtain full details on things. Now I do not think you always need BOOKS, but by god, I at least, find it much easier to sit down and read 100 pages from a printed text, then to read 100 pages on a web page...but may be that is a generational thing as well.


It's a language thing, I think. Visual language has only really matured in the last few decades, and even then, in some areas it is still clinging to the "old way". The filmic language offers so much more than the written language, so it's understandable that it is far more appealing to the younger generation, that have been learning it from childhood.

The problem with the filmic language is that it's still only really seen as a source of entertainment. As such, the filmic language is only utilised by workers of fiction. But written language is utilised by both those who create fiction, and those who pass on fact. The major learning institutions need to realise that filmic language is the way of the future, and they need to start translating their knowledge. I'm not talking documentary films, here. Documentary films largely do not utilise filmic language effectively.

(By filmic language, I mean audio-visual language).

The advent of digital video and powerful computers has brought us to a turning point in human learning. The written language is useful because anyone can easily be taught to write, and then with something as simple as a pencil and paper, you can put down the words. It is taking technology a couple of centuries to invent the pencil and paper of filmic language, but it's getting there. Some day, someone will invent filmic language's printing press, and from that moment things will change dramatically.





Gumboot, I realize 9/11 is your generation's CT (though given I was 31 when it happened, I kind of feel it is my generations as well), but let me ask you, when the JFK CT was big, was it the same demographic? were the majority of JFK CTists teen and twenty something males? I honestly do not know, but I doubt it.

TAM:)


I don't think the JFK CT is the big CT of that generation. It's really not that widespread outside the USA. After all, it's just a guy getting shot. Hardly a profound event. (Having said that, Jim Fetzer, who was a leading JFK CTer, was 23 when JFK was shot).

The CT of that generation is the Moon Landing. And the first CTer I met - the 60 year old, was an English moon hoaxer. He would have been in his mid to late teens when Apollo 11 landed on the moon.

-Gumboot

[Liszt]

I've only seen part of the first Matrix movie (turned it off because I thought it was dreadful). What does it offer the truthers?

dreadful? Surely not. Maybe you just couldn´t understand it ;)

here´s a very good description of the film

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Matrix

[T.A.M.]

Gumboot:

Children reflect my observations most strongly, yes, but I have a 20 year old relative who was in his mid teens before he knew how to tell proper analog time, and he is not alone, even at that age group.

As for film versus the written word as an educator, each have their benifits, each their detractions.

The written word takes work to digest, it takes focus and concentration to synthesize. Video does not, or at least, not nearly as much. This can be seen as both a pro and a con. Video enables a user to be taught info on a subject with much less effort, making it more attractive, and hence we get the benifit of the medium attracting more learners, and this is obviously a pro. However, it will tend to make us lose our focus and concentration skills, like all skills, if you do not use it, you lose it. In this way, it is a con.

The written word can provide infinite detail, limited only by the page count. While this could be true of video, we have become an instant gratification nation/world, so rarely is an informative piece of video work longer than 2 hours. Even in multi-part series on particular subjects, the level of detail that a video can provide is VERY MUCH smaller than that a book can provide. It is the reason why the vast majority of my training, only some 6-8 years ago, was the written text, not video.

I think, however, Video's greatest advantage, outside of its ease of use, is its ability to explain things visually. We are a visual species, and I believe we remember things better, if we have a visual image to tie the information to.

TAM:)

[Corsair 115]

Reloaded is my favorite of the triology!

I love that big chateau fight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyS1Uqkjrq0) with Neo vs all the guys with the weapons on the stairs. It's furious and intense! When Neo is hacking away furiously at the guys it looks very real to me. I felt it was very well choreographed and played out. I also loved the music in that part.

I'll admit the stuff in Zion was utterly boring however.I could offer you a fairly detailed treatise on why I think The Matrix Reloaded is a terrible film... but this thread isn't the place for it. :)

[The Demon's Head]

Watchmen was quite entertaining, but of course the ending is highly unsatisfactory.

Moore's more recent stuff from ABC (Tom Strong, Top 10, Tomorrow Stories, LoEG) is much better. Nihilism never did it for me.

ETA: Although he did sabotage Top 10 and LoEG when he learned that DC was taking over the imprint.

DC pretty much ruined their characters, and I don't even pick up any Batman related titles anymore. Marvel is full of ruined ideas as well.

[gumboot]

Children reflect my observations most strongly, yes, but I have a 20 year old relative who was in his mid teens before he knew how to tell proper analog time, and he is not alone, even at that age group.


Maybe us New Zealanders are just smarter than you North Americans... ;)




As for film versus the written word as an educator, each have their benifits, each their detractions.

The written word takes work to digest, it takes focus and concentration to synthesize. Video does not, or at least, not nearly as much.


This is a common myth. It's actually not true at all. ever since the development of Soviet Montage, which is now the backbone of audio-visual language, the audience has had to do a great deal of work to "read" a film. You might not be aware of it, but it becomes evident when older people watch films like Moulin Rouge!. The language has developed to a point that older people are essentially semi illiterate, and cannot understand the film. You actually have to be concentrating quite hard to follow it.

Likewise, were you to take the audience of early films like Birth of a Nation or The Great Train Robbery(1903) and sit them in front of any modern film, they wouldn't be capable of following the story.

As an example... try interrupt someone watching a modern film, then try interrupt the same person reading a book.




The written word can provide infinite detail, limited only by the page count. While this could be true of video, we have become an instant gratification nation/world, so rarely is an informative piece of video work longer than 2 hours. Even in multi-part series on particular subjects, the level of detail that a video can provide is VERY MUCH smaller than that a book can provide. It is the reason why the vast majority of my training, only some 6-8 years ago, was the written text, not video.


I think that's primarily because no one has really sought to use audio-visual language for serious factual work on level with a scientific journal entry or a university thesis. When we do produce factual work it tends to be a documentary, which is a highly inefficient use of screen time, thus very little can be communicated. Imagine a 100% factual peer-reviewed scientific film, but using the intense montage style of Moulin Rouge!. That's the future.




I think, however, Video's greatest advantage, outside of its ease of use, is its ability to explain things visually. We are a visual species, and I believe we remember things better, if we have a visual image to tie the information to.


This is why I think it has so much potential. It can connect the reader to the subject in a way you simply cannot do with the written word. To get back on topic... imagine had NIST, instead of producing their 10,000 report, instead produced hours of animation of the quality and technical value of the Purdue animations.

-Gumboot

[T.A.M.]

Gumboot:

I am aware that certain films, with hidden imagery, detailed and complex subtext within the dialogue and plot twists, may be quite full of information that would make the film hard for the average user to digest...this is an extreme example, and not what I am talking about. I am referring to standard fair documentaries or information videos. As you said, you feel they are inefficient, so if you feel there is a more efficient way of communicating complex scientific disciplines via video, I would love to see it in practice.

I have not seen Moulin Rouge!, and had not planned on it, as I cannot stomach most musicals (I am sure it is good, but I wouldnt bother to try and convince me to see it...I am stubborn...lol).

It seems to me Gumboot, that if you really, honestly feel that video presentation is superior to book reading for engineering, medicine, thermodynamics, quantum physics, etc, than you have a potential gold mine on your hands, and you should be developing such things...buy me a new car with your first Billion..;);)

TAM:)

[peteweaver]

I've only seen part of the first Matrix movie (turned it off because I thought it was dreadful). What does it offer the truthers?

I happened to enjoy it but each to their own.

In my opinion its a gloriously over the top bit of silly scifi, which happens to be quite entertaining. Not the sort of thing anyone should take seriously.

I suppose what with all the guns and violence in the film it strikes a chord with the primeval gun toting nature of your average redneck 'truth'seeker.

[jberryhill]

Awww is the young buck offended?:D

Only when my adult stepson makes fun of the fact that I'm going bald and my beard is grey.

Changes in technology render a lot of skills obsolete.

I'm trying to persuade my 16 year old that, yes, he ought to have a manual transmission in his first car.

But if you insist on calling me a "young buck", then I promise not to be offended. But I believe you missed my point.

(and with the exception of speaking Latin, I can do all of those things.)

[Sword_Of_Truth]

I could offer you a fairly detailed treatise on why I think The Matrix Reloaded is a terrible film... but this thread isn't the place for it. :)

The entire plot of The Matrix was stolen from a canadian film called "Dark City"(wich starred Keifer Sutherland in a supporting role just before 24 restarted his carreer).

In "Dark City", a man discovers that his entire world is an artificial construct created by inhuman powers that have enslaved mankind without their knowing about it. At the same time, he develops super-powers that become the key to freeing his people.... sound familiar?

It;s both ironic and revealing that the favorite movie of trooferdom is itself a lie. :p

[gumboot]

Gumboot:

I am aware that certain films, with hidden imagery, detailed and complex subtext within the dialogue and plot twists, may be quite full of information that would make the film hard for the average user to digest...this is an extreme example, and not what I am talking about. I am referring to standard fair documentaries or information videos. As you said, you feel they are inefficient, so if you feel there is a more efficient way of communicating complex scientific disciplines via video, I would love to see it in practice.



So would I. It would be quite spectacular.




I have not seen Moulin Rouge!, and had not planned on it, as I cannot stomach most musicals (I am sure it is good, but I wouldnt bother to try and convince me to see it...I am stubborn...lol).

Heh. Films are a highly personal thing, so I very rarely try to convince people to see something they don't want to see. :)




It seems to me Gumboot, that if you really, honestly feel that video presentation is superior to book reading for engineering, medicine, thermodynamics, quantum physics, etc, than you have a potential gold mine on your hands, and you should be developing such things...buy me a new car with your first Billion..;);)


I'm not sure how I would develop such a thing. The field that is going to really make such a thing viable is computer animation, which isn't something I'm overly familiar with. If we compare audio-visual language to written language, we're in the Middle Ages at the moment. Just as only the priests were literate, today only the "priests" of the media (the new church) are audio-visually literate.

-Gumboot

[gumboot]

The entire plot of The Matrix was stolen from a canadian film called "Dark City"(wich starred Keifer Sutherland in a supporting role just before 24 restarted his carreer).



The plot of The Matrix and Dark City are actually completely different, not to mention Dark City was only released a year before The Matrix. And what makes you think it's a Canadian film? I would call it either an American film or an Australian film. Certainly not Canadian.

-Gumboot

[orphia nay]

Anecdote: One of the first twoofers I encountered is a grandmother.

She used the films FX and Wag the Dog as supporting evidence to her argument.

[Travis]

FX? Now that takes me back.

[Foolmewunz]

Has anyone ever asked them (assuming you can actually converse with Troofers) why they haven't latched onto Conspiracy Theory.

I mean, it's got Mel and Julia, and he even kinda sorta cudda gotten the girl in the end.

It'd seem to be an obvious choice for favorite. Crusading crusader, cutting clips from news articles, connecting the dots, sending out newletters to the enlightened few, and everyone thinks he bonkers. But, ah ha! He's not. He really did have something, all along.

Ah, now I remember.... It's that great moment when one of the bad guys informs him that he was right... and he says, "About what?" (That was actually a laughing-out-loud moment for me when I saw C.T. again after having dealt with "The Movement" for a while. He's been recylcing so many conspiracies that he was bound to hit on something.)

(Of course the end of the movie just turns into Revenge of the Bride of the Manchurian Candidate II, but that shouldn't be sufficient to deter Troofers.)

:spjimlad:

[Sword_Of_Truth]

The plot of The Matrix and Dark City are actually completely different, not to mention Dark City was only released a year before The Matrix. And what makes you think it's a Canadian film? I would call it either an American film or an Australian film. Certainly not Canadian.

-Gumboot

You're right about the country of origin. A friend told me it was canadian made and I never bothered to confirm it. As for the plot being "completely different", the wikipedia entry says "There are clear similarities between the film and The Matrix, which was released one year after Dark City, and was also filmed at Fox Studios in Sydney."

And there are significant plot elements that were "borrowed" from films like "Dreamscape", "Nightmare on Elm Street" and of course, "The Terminator".

[MaGZ]

Why do they seem to read so much meaning into popular movies, and see stuff that nobody else sees?
Half the time they use expressions like "take the red pill, man" or reference popular truther movies like V for Vendetta.
But why? Just because they're young dudes who spends most of the time smoking joints and watching movies, or do they just live in a fantasy world most of the time...

Here's a post from the looser-forum about "Shooter"

This got a bit to do with what we are fighting for. It shows corruption and much more in the governments through that movie.

Although, you cannot know what the point of the movie is since for instance distributed by companies that have jewish CEO's and we all know how much power they have at this moment .. and how they control usa etc.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=12078


Christ! I guess their little fantasy need some outside reindorcement every now and then, and blockbuster is the place to go!

FYI
Most motion picture companies have Jewish CEO’s.

[gumboot]

FYI
Most motion picture companies have Jewish CEO’s.


That actually made me laugh out loud. Um. No. No they don't.

-Gumboot

[MaGZ]

Here is the difference, I feel in my generation, and the kooks of the new one.

My generation:

"V" was a movie and series about Lizard Aliens coming to earth, disguised to look like humans, and taking over the planet.

Our response to the movie...cool, that would be horrible, but wouldn't it be awesome to be a fighter against such an invasion if it ever happened.

The truth movement generation:

"V" (for Vendetta) is how the world really works man. This is what is actually going on. We've got to stop it...we've got to stop the man.


TAM;)

In case you didn’t notice, "V" was just another holocaust film. More jew propaganda, but this time to the sci-fi crowd.

I prefer the film "They Live." It tells how the Jews are running things and how the real people just don’t see it. (just kidding)

[MaGZ]

Kooks in general love to believe that big-budget movies are used by the elite to send subtle messages/warnings to us lowly slaves. Back when Deep Impact and Armageddon were released, I heard people claiming it was a subtle way of preparing us for the comet/asteroid that the powers-that-be had already discovered will impact the Earth.

They also believe[d] that movies like Independence Day and War of the Worlds were meant to prepare us for the inevitable alien invasion.

:rolleyes:

I don’t know about the supposed hidden meanings of those two movies, but I have heard that the 50's movie, "The Day the Earth Stood Still" was made to make the public accept a World Government.

[uk_dave]

I don’t know about the supposed hidden meanings of those two movies, but I have heard that the 50's movie, "The Day the Earth Stood Still" was made to make the public accept a World Government.

You really need to get out more.

[slingblade]

And there are significant plot elements that were "borrowed" from films like "Dreamscape", "Nightmare on Elm Street" and of course, "The Terminator".

Yeah, that's often how it's done. Harry Potter borrows heavily from mythology, and that the source material is really old or really recent doesn't matter.

Crafters of fiction tend to borrow. It isn't so much about totally new ideas, but new combinations of old ideas. After all, there are only so many plots. ;)

[Foolmewunz]

FYI
Most motion picture companies have Jewish CEO’s.

This is like so true, man! Like if we were living back in the 30s or 40s, why it'd be like, uh, ..... accurate.

The motion picture "studios" don't exist as you think of them, MaGZ. They're owned by corporations of any ilk you can imagine. Google Paramount. Google Columbia. Google Warner Brothers. Google United Artists. Google Mgm. Then come back and tell us who the CEOs of each, are, please!

Hint: Jack Warner, Louis Mayer and Irving Thalberg are, ummm..... former studio heads. They're what you call "dead"!

:spjimlad: :spjimlad: :spjimlad:

[Liszt]

That actually made me laugh out loud. Um. No. No they don't.

-Gumboot

same here! Who´d have thought MaGZ would say such a thing?

anyway, this happens to be easy to prove or disprove. Let´s get a list and see (Gumboot or MaGZ. race!)

[Belz...]

Most motion picture companies have Jewish CEO’s.

You're just a jew-hating paranoid, aren't you ?

I don’t know about the supposed hidden meanings of those two movies, but I have heard that the 50's movie, "The Day the Earth Stood Still" was made to make the public accept a World Government.

Man, you really should stop trying to see hidden meanings in things. The Da Vinci Code was a work of fiction.

In case you didn’t notice, "V" was just another holocaust film. More jew propaganda, but this time to the sci-fi crowd.

No, it was just a fun mini-series with a hot lead badguy actress.

[Liszt]

MaGZ meant V for Vendetta, not the V mini series (that´s David Icke´s fantasy). Either way, his comments do not make sense.

But let´s see MaGZ´s list of Jewish movie producers. he can´t just say that and then bugger off.

[T.A.M.]

yes he can, he is MagZ, the only person with enough hatred to actually make my ignore list...he is the only one on it.

TAM:)

[MaGZ]

Do you really want me to back this statement? Do you really want me to provide you a list of Jews that run Hollywood. And when I proved my case what will you say about it? Will you then agree with me that Jews have been brainwashing Americans for decades? What will you conclusions be when I poove to you the Jews run Hollywood?

I think what you will do is take the coward’s way out and ignore the evidence instead of dealing with reality.

What’s that saying, "YOU CAN’T HANDEL THE TRUTH!"

[Alareth]

MaGZ meant V for Vendetta, not the V mini series (that´s David Icke´s fantasy). Either way, his comments do not make sense.

No, MaGZ was talking about the V miniseries. He's also brought it up in the Holocaust thread.

[Hokulele]

"YOU CAN’T HANDEL THE TRUTH!"


Handel was a composer, not the head of a film studio.

[Alareth]

I think what you will do is take the coward’s way out and ignore the evidence instead of dealing with reality.

What’s that saying, "YOU CAN’T HANDEL THE TRUTH!"


Project much?

[gumboot]

same here! Who´d have thought MaGZ would say such a thing?

anyway, this happens to be easy to prove or disprove. Let´s get a list and see (Gumboot or MaGZ. race!)



Well, let's see... if we look at the major companies...

Universal - owned by GE (CEO Jeffrey R Immelt) and Vivendi (CEO Jean-Marie Messier)
Columbia - owned by Sony (CEO Howard Stringer)
Tri-Star - owned by Columbia, owned by Sony (CEO Howard Stringer)
20th Century Fox - owned by News Corporation (CEO Rupert Murdoch)
Warner Brothers - owned by Time Warner (CEO Richard Parsons)
Dreamworks SKG - owned by Viacom (CEO Philippe Dauman)
Paramount - owned by Viacom (CEO Philippe Dauman)
Touchstone - owned by Walt Disney (CEO Robert Iger)
Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer - CEO Harry E Sloan
United Artists - owned by MGM Holdings (CEO Harry E Sloan)
Walt Disney - Robert Iger
New Line Cinema - CEOs Michael Lynne and Robert Shaye (owned by Time Warner, CEO Richard Parsons)

There's many more smaller companies, but this is a good start. The above companies include nine CEOs. I am sure MaGZ will now provide compelling evidence that they are all Jews.

-Gumboot

[gumboot]

Handel was a composer, not the head of a film studio.


I'm also pretty sure he was a Protestant, rather than a Jew.

-Gumboot

[Hokulele]

I'm also pretty sure he was a Protestant, rather than a Jew.

-Gumboot


Well, you know what they always say, "If it ain't baroque, don't fix it!"

[Liszt]

Well, let's see... if we look at the major companies...

Universal - owned by GE (CEO Jeffrey R Immelt) and Vivendi (CEO Jean-Marie Messier)
Columbia - owned by Sony (CEO Howard Stringer)
Tri-Star - owned by Columbia, owned by Sony (CEO Howard Stringer)
20th Century Fox - owned by News Corporation (CEO Rupert Murdoch)
Warner Brothers - owned by Time Warner (CEO Richard Parsons)
Dreamworks SKG - owned by Viacom (CEO Philippe Dauman)
Paramount - owned by Viacom (CEO Philippe Dauman)
Touchstone - owned by Walt Disney (CEO Robert Iger)
Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer - CEO Harry E Sloan
United Artists - owned by MGM Holdings (CEO Harry E Sloan)
Walt Disney - Robert Iger
New Line Cinema - CEOs Michael Lynne and Robert Shaye (owned by Time Warner, CEO Richard Parsons)

There's many more smaller companies, but this is a good start. The above companies include nine CEOs. I am sure MaGZ will now provide compelling evidence that they are all Jews.

-Gumboot

Smart. Excellent info Gumboot, thank you.

[The Demon's Head]

The absolute most frustrating thing about conspiracy theorists is how they tarnish my medium. The Matrix is a ground-breaking film. It is not "real", and it is not intended to be "real". It is a work of fiction. And it is a work of fiction worthy of recognition.

Conspiracy theorists latching on to films like The Matrix and using them to justify their world view is akin to moon hoaxers using Capricorn One. What conspiracy theorists fail to realise is that these sorts of films are not messages from the elite. These films are about them. All of these conspiracy-related films are inspired by the crazy people who actually believe that stuff. Because their ridiculous ideas make great fiction.

-Gumboot

That pisses me off how the liars use such films as The Matrix and V for Vendetta to push their theories.

[philkensebben]

Even if their were some Jewish CEO's of movie companies, how is that evidence they are brainwashing movie goers? Maybe brainwashing them into enjoying crappy movies, sure.

[gumboot]

Smart. Excellent info Gumboot, thank you.


What's funny is nearly half of those CEO's aren't even American.

-Gumboot

[slingblade]

So, Jewish folks who just watch movies.....they must have an anti-propaganda device, installed at birth? Probably not in the foreskin, though.

[Corsair 115]

Well, you know what they always say, "If it ain't baroque, don't fix it!"*throws tomato at Hokulele from the cheap seats*

[Belz...]

Do you really want me to back this statement? Do you really want me to provide you a list of Jews that run Hollywood.

Go right ahead,

And then explain how this helps your case...

And when I proved my case what will you say about it? Will you then agree with me that Jews have been brainwashing Americans for decades?

No, because it's a non sequitur.

What will you conclusions be when I poove to you the Jews run Hollywood?

That they produce damn good movies.

What’s that saying, "YOU CAN’T HANDEL THE TRUTH!"

That you should stop quoting movies to try and prove real things.

[Belz...]

Well, let's see... if we look at the major companies...

Universal - owned by GE (CEO Jeffrey R Immelt) and Vivendi (CEO Jean-Marie Messier)
Columbia - owned by Sony (CEO Howard Stringer)
Tri-Star - owned by Columbia, owned by Sony (CEO Howard Stringer)
20th Century Fox - owned by News Corporation (CEO Rupert Murdoch)
Warner Brothers - owned by Time Warner (CEO Richard Parsons)
Dreamworks SKG - owned by Viacom (CEO Philippe Dauman)
Paramount - owned by Viacom (CEO Philippe Dauman)
Touchstone - owned by Walt Disney (CEO Robert Iger)
Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer - CEO Harry E Sloan
United Artists - owned by MGM Holdings (CEO Harry E Sloan)
Walt Disney - Robert Iger
New Line Cinema - CEOs Michael Lynne and Robert Shaye (owned by Time Warner, CEO Richard Parsons)

There's many more smaller companies, but this is a good start. The above companies include nine CEOs. I am sure MaGZ will now provide compelling evidence that they are all Jews.

-Gumboot

Gosh, so many good movies, in there.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

I'd also like for MaGZ to describe how people are being "brainwashed" by movies.

Yes, there are fanatics that take their favorite movie waaay too seriously (in my opinion, anyway), but I don't know where the "brainwashing" comes in.

It seems to me that the only ones being "brainwashed" by movies are those hyper-paranoid individuals that see secret meanings and messages in every blockbuster...

..and they're usually the ones claiming everyone else is being "brainwashed". Ironic.

[Alt+F4]

You're just a jew-hating paranoid, aren't you ?

Now that's not fair of you Belz, MaGZ hates black people too.

[Belz...]

Really ?

[Alareth]

Really ?


Really. He made it quite clear in the Politics forum.

[orphia nay]

I wonder... it might be fun to taunt certain twoofers who quote it with the fact (assuming it exists) that the Matrix was made by Jooooz.

[Pardalis]

Really ?

I get the feeling he won't like Quebecers very much either... Which is good news! :)

[Belz...]

Who does MaGZ like, anyway ?

[Alareth]

Who does MaGZ like, anyway ?

Ron Paul of course

[dudalb]

twoofermode
Oh man! The Matrix is DA BOMB MAN! It tells you how it really is! How a brave band of computer-hackers have to fight the evil system man!
The Wachowsky-brothers are TOTALLY truthers! They also made V for Vendetta, they're tottaly in on it, but can't come out, becauze of all the zionists that control hollywood!
/twoofermode


I wonder if the studios don't actually do a bit of virus-marketing aimed at turthers. I was thinking of a title like V for Vendetta, which wouldn't take much of an effort to make popular among the twoofer-demographic. They might not be many, but they don't mind spending their money on seeing the same movie two or three times, in theaters. AND getting the tshirts...

What do our Hollywood-insiders think... Do we see any guerilla/virus marketing aimed at twoofers?

Probably not at twoofers specifically....there are not enough of them to make it worth while...but at 15 to 21 year olds who have a "F--k All Authority" attitude..yeah,that is a big enough demo to pitch to.

[dudalb]

Who does MaGZ like, anyway ?

That guy who commited suicide in a Bunker in Berlin back in 1945.