Forcefeild Thermate, Remote Controlled planes and LCFC predictions

[Undesired Walrus]

LCFC is coming out eventually, and from the looks of the trailer, Mr Stephen Jones is going to be in it (Poor Uncle Fetzer).

We should thus expect Thermate upon Thermate. Given Jones having the personality of a filing cabinet, I fail to see how Avery is going to pull this off at all....

But most importantly, here is the thing. Avery has recently banned the old 'No-planers' on his board, but if you think about it, he is a closet No-planer himself.

Why?

This http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/7269/wtcthermite13sv.jpg

I ask you, how on Earth did this thermate bomb survive the plane explosion, which destroyed the floors above?

There is only one explanation, it had to be a remote controlled plane. Allow some hijackers to slam a plane into the towers (LIHOP) and you have no idea which part it will hit.

Allow a remote controlled plane to slam into the towers (MIHOP) and you have a chance of the explosives surviving.

I'd like to turn the tables on the truthers. Assuming the towers were brought down by thermate, how much would it take, and would the operation go wrong if the plane destroyed certain bombs on certain floors?

[e^n]

My biggest question is why would this 2000+C thermite not immediately melt the perimeter aluminium facade which it literally cascaded over? The answer is of course that it isn't at 2000C (and that aluminium is a decent heat sink but it was insulated with SFRM)

[DGM]

I'd like to turn the tables on the truthers. Assuming the towers were brought down by thermate, how much would it take, and would the operation go wrong if the plane destroyed certain bombs on certain floors?

If he uses the planes and fire he would not need any because the buildings would fall anyways.

As far as I can tell the thermate is just for show and to make molten iron.

[Apollo20]

Undesired Walrus:

And yes why did we only see ONE thermite "bomb" going off in that ONE particular corner of that ONE floor.

Was the aircraft trajectory pre-set to do that? If so that's some pretty sharp shooting even if the plane was remote controlled....!

Personally, I go for the on-board oxygen cylinder theory as far more likely.

[1337m4n]

You know, when Truthers bring up thermite/ate, you can turn their own "first time in history" argument against them, like so:


No building in history has ever collapsed from themite/ate!

[~enigma~]

You need about 1 kg thermite to produce 0.5 Kg molten iron. Allowing the wooish morons to call this flowing material molten iron, we are looking at a volume (total flow) of what has been said to be 8 tons (considering the density of iron). That would require 16 tons of thermite. That is 32000 pounds. A flowerpot full of thermite is about 5 pounds. Where was 32000 pounds of thermite hidden in an office building?

[Undesired Walrus]

Undesired Walrus:

And yes why did we only see ONE thermite "bomb" going off in that ONE particular corner of that ONE floor.

Was the aircraft trajectory pre-set to do that? If so that's some pretty sharp shooting even if the plane was remote controlled....!

Personally, I go for the on-board oxygen cylinder theory as far more likely.

Isn't it a remarkable coincidence that it is the one and only spot in which a thermate reaction is going off is also where a huge airplane loaded with aluminium (Damn you Americans, I keep calling it A-loo-man-im rather than its proper pronouncement, A-lay-min-yum) is resting?

Sharp shot indeed.

Honestly folks, after all these years, how can LCFC be anything other than a complete travesty?

[Unfit4Command]

Looks like thermite to me, the rest must just be chilling inside of the building and somehow not pouring out the sides as thousands of pounds of it go off to cut the buckling and weakening perimeter columns. Oddly enough, the flow above is going BETWEEN two perimeter columns and doesn't cut either one of them...whoops, the government must have misplaced that one.

Maybe the government was just concentrating the laser beam at that point in the building to make sure it worked, this caused some aluminum to melt and flow out of the building.

[CHF]

And yes why did we only see ONE thermite "bomb" going off in that ONE particular corner of that ONE floor.

Indeed. If thermite took down the towers the buildings would have looked like a massive fireworks show.

Your argument could also apply to the "squibs." Why are the squibs only going off on a few floors and at random places?

You need about 1 kg thermite to produce 0.5 Kg molten iron. Allowing the wooish morons to call this flowing material molten iron, we are looking at a volume (total flow) of what has been said to be 8 tons (considering the density of iron). That would require 16 tons of thermite. That is 32000 pounds. A flowerpot full of thermite is about 5 pounds. Where was 32000 pounds of thermite hidden in an office building

Engima, I think you've just touched on why twoofers never offer numbers as to how much thermite was used. "A lot" is all they're willing to say.

[CHF]

No building in history has ever collapsed from themite/ate!

But, but...according to Richard Gage of AE911, thermite is a common demolition tool!

[~enigma~]

Engima, I think you've just touched on why twoofers never offer numbers as to how much thermite was used. "A lot" is all they're willing to say.
This is just one reason why a 6 year old can make wooish arguments for CD look totally stupid.

[Undesired Walrus]

I wonder if Stephen Jones understands he is making himself a laughing stock to the scientific community? Enigma, is that 8 tons alone in that isolated pocket? Yet it had to be planted on everysingle floor?????

Isn't Dylan a tad embarrased to get a mormon scientist to do this groundbreaking research?

I dont know, something pisses me off about Jones, perhaps it is his shy voice that always seems to be on the verge of a snigger.

[T.A.M.]

get mr.gage to show us one example of a building demolition where thermite cutter charges were used.

TAM:)

[T.A.M.]

do you mean snicker, UW, or is the word snigger valid, and if so, what does it mean...lol

TAM;)

Edit: well I'll be good godamned, it is a version of snicker...I have never seen it before, or if I have, I took it, as now, incorrectly as an error...sorry chap.

TAM:)

[Alferd_Packer]

If that was molten iron, why didn't it also melt the thousands of tons of aluminum aircraft debris also? How come only the iron melted?

[Undesired Walrus]

do you mean snicker, UW, or is the word snigger valid, and if so, what does it mean...lol

TAM;)

Edit: well I'll be good godamned, it is a version of snicker...I have never seen it before, or if I have, I took it, as now, incorrectly as an error...sorry chap.

TAM:)

Brit spelling.;) Like A-lay-in-yum, not the dodgy version you guys use..

Infact, I have never known the form called 'snicker'! This is all I think of
http://images.quizilla.com/S/SteelyPhil/1098709217_essnickers.jpg

Anyway, odds about Jones using his 'hot knife through butter' metaphor in FC?

[cmcaulif]

do those guys still cling to the no plane at the pentagon claim? It seems that most CTs have jumped ship on that one.

[DGM]

do those guys still cling to the no plane at the pentagon claim? It seems that most CTs have jumped ship on that one.
Last thing Avery said was "the planes don't matter" and he's dumped Killtown so I think not.

[Undesired Walrus]

Last thing Avery said was "the planes don't matter" and he's dumped Killtown so I think not.

I.e, If I use an appeal to emotion with first responders I'm gonna be ok.

[Gord_in_Toronto]

wats the trubble wit yous guys?
The marmite was in tje plain. The peeple in the plain were all replced with marmite. tuns and tuns of marmite. :mad:

[The Demon's Head]

It seems that the liars are more concerned about their films and fandom. I doubt any one of them truly cares about the issue because they won't do anything productive with their claims.

[Max Photon]

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Undesired Walrus,

These may be of interest to you:

Max Photon Solves the Mystery of NIST Fig. 9-45
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=11885


MAX MIHOP Video Analysis of Shock Tube in the WTC Towers
http://maxphoton.com/2007/07/01/max-mihop-video-analysis-of-shock-tube-in-the-WTC-towers.aspx


How Thermite Was Used To Cloak the Controlled-Demolition of the WTC Towers > To Heat-Weaken Column-Splice Bolts, So They Would Appear to Strip Naturally and Spontaneously (http://maxphoton.com/2007/05/22/how-thermite-was-used-in-the-controlleddemolition-of-wtc2.aspx)


Regards,

Max

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[slingblade]

Anyway, I think the film's going to be interesting. If you take interesting to mean "amusing, insulting, wrong, and sad."

[pomeroo]

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Undesired Walrus,

These may be of interest to you:

Max Photon Solves the Mystery of NIST Fig. 9-45
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=11885


MAX MIHOP Video Analysis of Shock Tube in the WTC Towers
http://maxphoton.com/2007/07/01/max-mihop-video-analysis-of-shock-tube-in-the-WTC-towers.aspx


How Thermite Was Used To Cloak the Controlled-Demolition of the WTC Towers > To Heat-Weaken Column-Splice Bolts, So They Would Appear to Strip Naturally and Spontaneously (http://maxphoton.com/2007/05/22/how-thermite-was-used-in-the-controlleddemolition-of-wtc2.aspx)


Regards,

Max



Just curious: Do you often have the urge to remove all of your clothes in public?

[Devil's Advocate]

You need about 1 kg thermite to produce 0.5 Kg molten iron. Allowing the wooish morons to call this flowing material molten iron, we are looking at a volume (total flow) of what has been said to be 8 tons (considering the density of iron). That would require 16 tons of thermite. That is 32000 pounds. A flowerpot full of thermite is about 5 pounds. Where was 32000 pounds of thermite hidden in an office building?

I've heard the remote control military plane theory. So adjust it a bit to say the hold was full of thermite/ate.
Is that possible?

Whats my name?
:D

[~enigma~]

I've heard the remote control military plane theory. So adjust it a bit to say the hold was full of thermite/ate.
Is that possible?

Whats my name?
:DIt's possible if you want to ignore any and all of the witnesses and it is possible if you are one of the woo but to normal people it isn't possible. Where do you stand?

[Foolmewunz]

Undesired Walrus:

And yes why did we only see ONE thermite "bomb" going off in that ONE particular corner of that ONE floor.

Was the aircraft trajectory pre-set to do that? If so that's some pretty sharp shooting even if the plane was remote controlled....!

Personally, I go for the on-board oxygen cylinder theory as far more likely.

If one can find one's way through the drivel, the devilishly cleverly aimed plane is exactly what Max Protein is pushing. They loaded something into very specific places and the plane or the missiles fired from the plane (yes, he's onto MaGZ's missiles, evidently) hit exactly that right spot.

[Devil's Advocate]

It's possible if you want to ignore any and all of the witnesses and it is possible if you are one of the woo but to normal people it isn't possible. Where do you stand?

Where do I stand? Where ever I happen to be when I stop walking.
Do not try to make me commit to a stance based on a theoretical problem.

You made it seem that such an amount (32000lbs) of thermite/thermate were impossible to have been in the towers. I put up a theory that shows a way that could have been possible.
Does that mean I believe it is a fact that it was? No.
Do not assume, just because you have not thought of a possibility to an event in question, that the answer to the question is then impossible by default.

[~enigma~]

to a stance based on a theoretical problem.If you don't like being asked there is a very simple solution. Stop posting on a forum where you WILL be asked. As of now, I find no need to ask since your answer made it apparent you are firmly entrenched in woo.
I put up a theory that shows a way that could have been possible.
No you didn't unless your possibility entails ignoring the witnesses of the plane.Do not assume, just because you have not thought of a possibility to an event in question, that the answer to the question is then impossible by default.As long as you rehash old debunked woo crap I will assume that you are an old debunked woo...is that a safe bet? Now how exactly is your scenario possible when there are witnesses that saw flight 175 and there is a piece of fuselage from flight 175 that was found on the roof of wtc 5? You do realize that slinging the same old debunked stupidity that is 6 years old is impressing nobody. Now go change your user name to Devil's Anus...

[Devil's Advocate]

If you don't like being asked there is a very simple solution. Stop posting on a forum where you WILL be asked.
I follow the forum rules, not your personal rules.

As of now, I find no need to ask since your answer made it apparent you are firmly entrenched in woo.
Then you have proven that you make false assumptions of my 'stance'.

As long as you rehash old debunked woo crap I will assume that you are an old debunked woo...is that a safe bet?
Safe that you'll make the assumption? The obvious answer is yes.

Now how exactly is your scenario possible when there are witnesses that saw flight 175 and there is a piece of fuselage from flight 175 that was found on the roof of wtc 5? You do realize that slinging the same old debunked stupidity that is 6 years old is impressing nobody.
To what witness testimony are you referring?
Was your point that it would have been impossible to get 32,000lbs of thermite/thermate into the building? Yes.
Was my answer a way that countered your opinion of impossibility? Yes.

Now go change your user name to Devil's Anus...
How cute. Don't get too loud or mommy will come in and turn your computer off.

[~enigma~]

Stupidity snipped
Welcome to ignore...

[Revolutionary91]

Welcome to ignore...

Ouch, I bet that really hurt him. You may aswell just put your hands over your ears and and shout la la la im not listening, like a 5 year old would.

Anyway, welcome to ignore...

[uk_dave]

That's almost worthy of a stundie

[Undesired Walrus]

Ouch, I bet that really hurt him. You may aswell just put your hands over your ears and and shout la la la im not listening, like a 5 year old would.

Anyway, welcome to ignore...

Didn't you put me on ignore after 2 posts directed at you?:confused:

[T.A.M.]

Ouch, I bet that really hurt him. You may aswell just put your hands over your ears and and shout la la la im not listening, like a 5 year old would.

Anyway, welcome to ignore...

If you think someone is acting childish, behaving as such yourself, even at age 15, is not doing you any favors. Wouldn't the more mature individual simply try to rise above the immaturity around him?

TAM:)

[The Doc]

It is easy to ignore those that challenge your beliefs Revolutionary91. It is harder to accept that you were wrong, and correct your mistake.

You have chosen the cowards way out.

[Alferd_Packer]

Ignore never works anyway.

People like R91 can't stand the possibility that someone is talking about them and they don't know it.

[Revolutionary91]

It is easy to ignore those that challenge your beliefs Revolutionary91. It is harder to accept that you were wrong, and correct your mistake.

You have chosen the cowards way out.

You have been challenging my beliefs but I haven't put you on ignore.

What was I wrong about?

[The Doc]

You have been challenging my beliefs but I haven't put you on ignore.

I'd hardly say I am working very hard at it. I wasn't talk about me anyway, I was talking about the several other members you have slapped on ignore as soon as the going gets tough for you.

What was I wrong about?

Please stop with the pathetic, childish games. I am not allowing you to derail yet another thread. We will discuss the several things you are wrong about in their appropriate threads.

[Revolutionary91]

I have 3 people on ignore. One told me to go $%^& myself, another kept calling me junior and the third was put on ignore because of his gloating about putting other people on ignore.

Now tell me what you feel I have wrong or you will join them.

[The Doc]

I have 3 people on ignore. One told me to go $%^& myself, another kept calling me junior and the third was put on ignore because of his gloating about putting other people on ignore.

Right, whatever buddy. It also just so happens that the guy who harmlessly called you "junior" had a point that you dodged.

Now tell me what you feel I have wrong or you will join them.I told you once. However, seeing as you must be incapable of comprehending my above post for some odd reason, I'll say it again.

Please stop with the pathetic, childish games. I am not allowing you to derail yet another thread. We will discuss the several things you are wrong about in their appropriate threads.

Quite frankly, I couldn't care less if I was on your ignore list. You seem to be ignoring everything I am saying anyway.

ETA:
In fact, now that I think of it, I've had enough of your ridiculous questions and your consistent subject changing, not to mention your immaturity. You're the first person I've put on my ignore list in my 9 months on this forum. Enjoy.

[Par]

Brit spelling.;) Like A-lay-in-yum, not the dodgy version you guys use... Infact, I have never known the form called 'snicker'! This is all I think of http://images.quizilla.com/S/SteelyPhil/1098709217_essnickers.jpg



Aloominum, aluhminyum; Snickers, Marathon. Call the whole thing off.

[Alt+F4]

You need about 1 kg thermite to produce 0.5 Kg molten iron. Allowing the wooish morons to call this flowing material molten iron, we are looking at a volume (total flow) of what has been said to be 8 tons (considering the density of iron). That would require 16 tons of thermite. That is 32000 pounds. A flowerpot full of thermite is about 5 pounds. Where was 32000 pounds of thermite hidden in an office building?

When you say 32,000 pounds of thermite, do you mean 32,000 pounds to create whatever we're looking at in the photograph in the OP, or 32,000 pounds to bring the entire building down?

Since the perps couldn't be 100% sure which floors the planes would crash into, wouldn't they have to rig most of the floors in both buildings just to make sure?

Even if 32,000 pounds is the absolute minimum I'm sure the conspiracy liars will say it could have been snuck into the buildings in mail bags catering carts without the morons who carried it realizing what they were ACTUALLY doing.

Many of those who participated in The Manhattan Project didn't know what they were working on at the time, but once Hiroshima happened it was crystal clear. So why, almost six years later, doesn't one of these lackey morons come forward? After all, they did nothing wrong.

[The Doc]

I once had a guy tell me that the most likely scenario was 40 tons of thermite being placed in both basements, along with more thermite in the upper floors.

Yes, he actually believed it.

[~enigma~]

When you say 32,000 pounds of thermite, do you mean 32,000 pounds to create whatever we're looking at in the photograph in the OP, or 32,000 pounds to bring the entire building down?

Since the perps couldn't be 100% sure which floors the planes would crash into, wouldn't they have to rig most of the floors in both buildings just to make sure?

Even if 32,000 pounds is the absolute minimum I'm sure the conspiracy liars will say it could have been snuck into the buildings in mail bags catering carts without the morons who carried it realizing what they were ACTUALLY doing.

Many of those who participated in The Manhattan Project didn't know what they were working on at the time, but once Hiroshima happened it was crystal clear. So why, almost six years later, doesn't one of these lackey morons come forward? After all, they did nothing wrong.
32000 pounds to create enough molten iron that we see in the flow from the corner (which isn't molten iron). if anybody is really dumb enough to think that a convoy of mailcarts, mailbags or catering carts numbering in the half million range would not be noticed nor reported all over the news they may believe whatever they want.

[T.A.M.]

Rev:

Well i can only assume I am not on ignore, as I do not fit any of your 3 profiles, but if you think it is a game, or some sort of badge awarding ceremony, than feel free to put me on ignore as well...

Putting people on ignore rarely solves anything, unless someone is harrassing you, or posting comments you find intolerable.

TAM:)

[TruthSeeker1234]

My biggest question is why would this 2000+C thermite not immediately melt the perimeter aluminium facade which it literally cascaded over? The answer is of course that it isn't at 2000C (and that aluminium is a decent heat sink but it was insulated with SFRM)

Whether it is molten iron from thermite, or molten aluminum, or some other metal, the color is a good indicator of temperature. It ranges from orange to white.

E^n asks exactly the right question. Whatever it is, why is it not melting the aluminum cladding?

I think we must consider the possibility that this video was fabricated.

[DGM]

Whether it is molten iron from thermite, or molten aluminum, or some other metal, the color is a good indicator of temperature. It ranges from orange to white.

E^n asks exactly the right question. Whatever it is, why is it not melting the aluminum cladding?

I think we must consider the possibility that this video was fabricated.
How about the more logical idea of no thermite?

[e^n]

Whether it is molten iron from thermite, or molten aluminum, or some other metal, the color is a good indicator of temperature. It ranges from orange to white.

E^n asks exactly the right question. Whatever it is, why is it not melting the aluminum cladding?

I think we must consider the possibility that this video was fabricated.

I think we must consider the far less illogical possibility that the material is not at 2500C as proposed and is in fact at around 800-1000C.

[Corsair 115]

I think we must consider the possibility that this video was fabricated.I must say you do seem rather fond of forwarding that possibility.

[Par]

How about the more logical idea of no thermite?
I think we must consider the far less illogical possibility that the material is not at 2500C as proposed and is in fact at around 800-1000C.


Hint: He’s attention-seeking.

[TruthSeeker1234]

I think we must consider the far less illogical possibility that the material is not at 2500C as proposed and is in fact at around 800-1000C.

No, that's not possible. The stuff is orange-yellow-white. Orange is around 2000K which is 1726C. Yellow and white are hotter than that. How could you think the stuff is 800-1000C? Aluminum alloys melt below 700C anyway.

I am using the method of associating the color with temperature. What method are you using?

[DGM]

No, that's not possible. The stuff is orange-yellow-white. Orange is around 2000K which is 1726C. Yellow and white are hotter than that. How could you think the stuff is 800-1000C? Aluminum alloys melt below 700C anyway.

Why couldn't aluminum alloys be at 800-1000 c ?

I am using the method of associating the color with temperature. What method are you using?

Color varies depending on the material.

[TruthSeeker1234]

Why couldn't aluminum alloys be at 800-1000 c ?

Color varies depending on the material.

Wrong. When materials become hot enough to begin emitting light, the wavelength of light is given by temperature, and is quite independent of material.

Aluminum alloys could be a whole range of temperatures. If this flow was 800-1000 C, it would be a dull red. The stuff that appears to flow from the south tower is orange-yellow-white. Orange is around 1720 C.

[Max Photon]

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The metal colors by temperature you cite are incorrect.

Please refer to the following table:

http://www.processassociates.com/process/heat/metcolor.htm


Max

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[TruthSeeker1234]

I was using this page

http://www.techmind.org/colour/coltemp.html

In any event, it does not at all change my point, which has thusfar been avoided. If the flow is orange-to-yellow-to-white hot, it is more than hot enough to melt aluminum. Why does it not melt the aluminum cladding that it is flowing right over?

[Kevin_Lowe]

I'm sure some of the real physicists on the board can explain the matter better than I can, but the wavelength of light a substance emits when heated does depend on the substance being heated as well as the temperature. This is high school physics.

Electrons in the heated material will jump up to a higher-energy orbital and then drop down to a lower one again, releasing the difference in energy levels in the form of a photon with equal energy. Exactly which wavelengths can be emitted depends on what kind of atoms are in the heated sample, which is why we can use spectroscopy to identify elements by the light they emit.

For example, embers in my fireplace glow red and my fireplace is not likely to get past 800 or 900 degrees fahrenheit.

The CTists seem to be assuming that whatever is flowing out of the WTC is going to be a pure metal, which is fairly bizarre. It's going to be a mixture of whatever was around at the time, so you can't sensibly generalise from the look or behaviour of pure metal in a factory to the look and behaviour of whatever it is pouring out in the videos.

[Crazy Chainsaw]

I was using this page

http://www.techmind.org/colour/coltemp.html

In any event, it does not at all change my point, which has thusfar been avoided. If the flow is orange-to-yellow-to-white hot, it is more than hot enough to melt aluminum. Why does it not melt the aluminum cladding that it is flowing right over?

What photo resisters are used in the camera what are the settings on them it could be dull red with slightly off adjustments on the camera.
If it was aluminum Chloride oxidizing with water super heated steam would be given off, and the cooling would keep the aluminum on the exterior from melting.
Also aluminum conducts heat very well that is why it hardly ever glows yellow or white while flowing when flowing it simply cools to quickly.
An impact however can change the conductivity of the Aluminum by including Iron or other compounds below the oxide layer.
Dr. Joneses experiment only trying to melt the compounds together he did not try to use high speed impacts to form deep inclusions below the oxide layer I did. I got 3 pounds of aluminum to glow orange white at 1000c with only three shots from a shot gun with steel water fowl shot.
Given that burring and fragmentation would have increased the amount of aluminum oxide and it would have sandblasted steel, and impacts between the steel and molten aluminum would have included the steel below the oxide layer it is not to much of a coincidence that such a flow was formed.
Of course I am just an Idiot in Kentucky with a shot gun some junk and a chainsaw, what do I know I am not a Physicist or Scientist I just like burning and blowing things up from time to time.

[Dave Rogers]

I am not a Physicist or Scientist I just like burning and blowing things up from time to time.

Speaking as a physicist, I'd say that's a pretty good definition of one (given that the other bit that you left out was "and seeing what happens", which you seem to be thoroughly committed to). Do you like hitting things with hammers too?

Dave

[TruthSeeker1234]

I'm sure some of the real physicists on the board can explain the matter better than I can, but the wavelength of light a substance emits when heated does depend on the substance being heated as well as the temperature. This is high school physics.



No, the emission color is related to the temperature. Forget what material is flowing out of the tower. Whatever it is, it is orange-white hot. That is hot enough to melt aluminum. Why does the aluminum cladding not melt? This flow was supposedly occurring for several minutes.

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Speaking as a physicist, I'd say that's a pretty good definition of one (given that the other bit that you left out was "and seeing what happens", which you seem to be thoroughly committed to). Do you like hitting things with hammers too?

Dave

Well I did break a weld with a shock wave though steel, caused by hammering on it and started a calculation on physorg that lead to calculation on unheated sections of the twin towers and how off center strikes would effect the welds.
Is that good enough? I sculpt wood, stone and work with steel I am looking for a new 22 pound hammer I had one but I broke it. It was a special hammer made to reshape oil well cleaning bits in the early S. It would straiten an steel pipe or bend a two inch thick steel rod faster than anything else I have found.

[Crazy Chainsaw]

No, the emission color is related to the temperature. Forget what material is flowing out of the tower. Whatever it is, it is orange-white hot. That is hot enough to melt aluminum. Why does the aluminum cladding not melt? This flow was supposedly occurring for several minutes.

Your forgetting aluminum and steel can conduct away the heat, and air acts as a cooling fluid.
So the Cladding would only melt where the flow was in direct contact with the molten material.

[Dave Rogers]

Your forgetting aluminum and steel can conduct away the heat, and air acts as a cooling fluid.
So the Cladding would only melt where the flow was in direct contact with the molten material.

And since the flow is clearly falling clear of the building face (it's falling through air rather than running down a surface), that would only be right at the point where it emerges. Kind of weakening e^n's original point, of course; the only thing we can really estimate about this flow is its temperature, but even that may be biased by infidelity of colour reproduction in the video. In any case, Jones himself admits that it's not hot enough to be molten iron (although he doesn't seem to want to admit it to himself).

Dave

[TruthSeeker1234]

I think you're right. It's not molten iron.

[Unfit4Command]

I think you're right. It's not molten iron.

Obviously, it's just a test from the laser beams that later destroyed both of the Twin Towers and turned their steel into dust.

[8den]

I think we must consider the possibility that this video was fabricated.

Between all that plane footage, and now this, not to mention the movie Pearl Habour, ILM had a tremendously busy year faking all this footage.

[apathoid]

I was using this page

http://www.techmind.org/colour/coltemp.html

In any event, it does not at all change my point, which has thusfar been avoided. If the flow is orange-to-yellow-to-white hot, it is more than hot enough to melt aluminum. Why does it not melt the aluminum cladding that it is flowing right over?


TV fakery? :confused:

[Alferd_Packer]

Your forgetting aluminum and steel can conduct away the heat, and air acts as a cooling fluid.
So the Cladding would only melt where the flow was in direct contact with the molten material.


Even there, it would depend on just how hot the molten material was, the melting point of the two different aluminum alloys (aircraft and cladding), and the specific heat of fusion for the cladding alloy.

Science is a bitch to conspiracy theories. :D

[peteweaver]

I think we must consider the possibility that this video was fabricated.

Right how likely is that, given the variety of different sources film footage that also show the same thing? Do you know how hard it would be to fake the same details from so many different angles

And given the FACT that there were journalists at the site who were injured and nearly killed (for instance Paul Berrif, who had been making a documentary about the New York fire department, he was injured just outside the south tower, and had the film crew who had come with him, carry on filming), what are the odds on a cameraman allowing his footage to be faked ?

Ace, people risked their lives to take those pictures.

Doesn't the possibility of a conspiracy theory being wrong, occur to you ?

[Dave Rogers]

I think you're right. It's not molten iron.

Who are you, and what have you done with Ace Baker?

Dave

[Revolutionary91]

The starter of the thread doesn't even know how to spell field. This does not look good.

[Foolmewunz]

Whether it is molten iron from thermite, or molten aluminum, or some other metal, the color is a good indicator of temperature. It ranges from orange to white.

E^n asks exactly the right question. Whatever it is, why is it not melting the aluminum cladding?

I think we must consider the possibility that this video was fabricated.


Bolding Mine

Ye-es! Can somebody give me an "Amen"?
Everthing's now going to be able to be dismissed as fabricated video!
This is wonderful as it will explain away every inconvenient piece of evidence that refutes any troofer suspicions.

"What about those guys on the video, boarding the plane?"
A: Fabricated Video
"Why aren't there any sounds from the multiple detonations that would've been necessary for CD?"
A: Fabricated Video
"Why don't we see the huge energy beam of light/power?"
A: Fabricated Video
"Why can't we see the concrete core?" A: F.V.
"Where exactly are those missiles, MaGZ?" A: F.V.

In Ace-World you can fabricate video to include something or exclude something. It's a catchall excuse. I'm sure this could catch on in Lyte-World, also. "Why we can prove that no one saw what they say they saw(well, except for the guys we are going to misquote)... Fabricated Video done it!"

[T.A.M.]

Another intellectually superior comment from Rev. Well done. When does school begin again?

TAM:)

[MortFurd]

Who are you, and what have you done with Ace Baker?

Dave
Never fear, it is Ace. Ace is CD and no plane, but not (as far as I know) thermate.

A teensy tiny spot of reality and Ace fantasy overlap, nothing to worry about.

[Foolmewunz]

Love the sig, MortFurd! I think I've scrolled by it a number of time without noticing! My humble apolgies.

[MortFurd]

Love the sig, MortFurd! I think I've scrolled by it a number of time without noticing! My humble apolgies.

Thanks. :)

And thanks for making me click on the link in my sig. The original thread got merged with another one, and my link broke. :( Fixed now - goes straight to Shrinker's pwnage.

[Belz...]

I have 3 people on ignore.

Nothing to be proud of.

[Belz...]

I think we must consider the possibility that this video was fabricated.

You think EVERY video was fabricated. Ever.

[Foolmewunz]

Thanks. :)

And thanks for making me click on the link in my sig. The original thread got merged with another one, and my link broke. :( Fixed now - goes straight to Shrinker's pwnage.

I hadn't even thought to click the link. That thread is etched in my memory.

:spjimlad:

[MIKILLINI]

[QUOTE]



Just curious: Do you often have the urge to remove all of your clothes in public?

:dl:

[MIKILLINI]

That could be the floor pans melting along with the airliners' aluminum skin.

[MIKILLINI]

I think we must consider the possibility that this video was fabricated.

Why on earth would they fake that....oh never mind. :bwall

[T.A.M.]

I think ACE Baker is fabricated.

TAM:)

[MIKILLINI]

I think ACE Baker is fabricated.

TAM:)

I think that statement is not farfetched.;)

[Dave Rogers]

I saw some video footage of the Kaiser Chiefs at Glastonbury the other week. My daughter was at Glastonbury, but she didn't see the Kaiser Chiefs.

I think we must consider the possibility that the video was fabricated.

Dave