was OKC an inside job?

[Devil's Advocate]

No. Google his name then go about 10 pages down and you will find the real story. It was after all 10+ years ago.

Thank you, Sir.

[Devil's Advocate]

No. Google his name then go about 10 pages down and you will find the real story. It was after all 10+ years ago.


I think my Googler is broken.
I cannot find anything that does not make it seem as if he were murdered.

[beachnut]

The Discovery Channel show discovered similar results in their two tests of equivalent size fuel-bombs.
Tim made a bomb, it killed people, it was big. I blew up my back yard with a sugar and fertilizer, my parents were upset when the fireball burnt the popular tree and sent bricks flying; I was grounded. My volcano, exploded, it was suppose to flow and smoke; oops. OKC is easy to understand, dumb guy makes up hate ideas based on a Christ figure with guns and preaches end times. If some of the CT guys visited OKC right after it happen they would see why, and if they would just look where the bomb was placed they would know how the damage was from one large truck bomb. SEE
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/12447453f8494776fe.jpgThe bomb was almost in the building!~ See the car, the truck was packed right next to the building! The blast effects were able to get up in under and do what we saw that day when people were killed due to a few idiots crazy warped ideas. If people belive CT ideas about OKC, they may be as bad as Tim.

What is the problem? Why are idiots now unable to understand how two people can make a bomb and kill people when their drug friends did not turn them in? Sad thing is the friends could have turned the two idiots in, but even more why are the few left over idiots making up lies about OKC.

[SpitfireIX]

I think my Googler is broken.
I cannot find anything that does not make it seem as if he were murdered.


NY Times article (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=9D0CE7D71539F932A25756C0A960958260).

Here is another article (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/specials/chi-0504180178apr18,1,240146.story?page=2&coll=chi-newsspecials-hed) from the Chicago Tribune about the tribulations of another officer who was among the first on the scene. Warning: some readers may find this piece disturbing.

[DGM]

I think my Googler is broken.
I cannot find anything that does not make it seem as if he were murdered.
It was a long time ago and the story is buried in woo. Here is one article. It also states his divorce that was missing from the other article.

Divorced from his wife, Tonya, Yeakey was legally prevented from entering the house the couple had shared with their two daughters, ages 2 and 4, Ramsey said.
"His ex-wife, his love for his two daughters that he could not see," Ramsey said when asked for reasons that might have driven Yeakey to suicide.

Sgt. Terrance Yeakey, 30, was found Wednesday in a field near his hometown of El Reno. He had apparently tried to slit his wrists, then shot himself to death, just three days before he was to have received the department's medal of valor

http://extras.denverpost.com/bomb/his26.htm

[Devil's Advocate]

It was a long time ago and the story is buried in woo. Here is one article. It also states his divorce that was missing from the other article.
http://extras.denverpost.com/bomb/his26.htm

Thanks for the links, but they do not describe the wounds he suffered.
I'll look for autopsy information.
If what I read from other sites is true regarding the wounds without reading their speculation, the wounds do seem defensive. (Forearm wounds specifically)

[Corsair 115]

One world government, of by and for the people of the world would be cool.I don't know, the U.S. Senate has trouble enough getting things done, and it only has 100 members. Imagine a Earth Senate, with some 400 members (two per country), all arguing and playing politics over this issue or that.

Actually, come to think of it, debates in the U.S. Senate are positively docile compared to a typical Question Period in Canada's parliament. :D

[DGM]

Thanks for the links, but they do not describe the wounds he suffered.
I'll look for autopsy information.
If what I read from other sites is true regarding the wounds without reading their speculation, the wounds do seem defensive. (Forearm wounds specifically)
May I suggest you get in contact with the coroner. This would be the best way to find the information you seek.

[Devil's Advocate]

May I suggest you get in contact with the coroner. This would be the best way to find the information you seek.

No autopsy was done.
I thought it was law to do an autopsy in a violent death? (Even suicide)
I could be wrong.
Some sites said he was drunk at the time, the medical report states that was not true.

I do see why there is a CT about it though.
No autopsy, family saying wounds were worse than the medical examiner stated, angle of bullet (Top of right temple with exit below the left cheekbone), his paranoia about people out to get him about something he saw, cutting yourself 13 times, crawling far away from your vehicle and then shooting yourself.

A logical question would be....why cut yourself up and stab yourself in the throat on both sides if you wanted to kill yourself when you already had a gun on hand?

It is an interesting and sad case indeed.

[DGM]

I remember when the story first came out (his death not CT) and there was more detail. As time went on it got more embellished. Read the CT story's and look for sources to the damning claims. The one that are mentioned you will find are dead ends. Also look at other story's from the authors. It's too bad that the easy story's to find are all covered in woo. I think this is happening too with 9/11.:mad:

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Tim made a bomb, it killed people, it was big. I blew up my back yard with a sugar and fertilizer, my parents were upset when the fireball burnt the popular tree and sent bricks flying; I was grounded. My volcano, exploded, it was suppose to flow and smoke; oops. OKC is easy to understand, dumb guy makes up hate ideas based on a Christ figure with guns and preaches end times. If some of the CT guys visited OKC right after it happen they would see why, and if they would just look where the bomb was placed they would know how the damage was from one large truck bomb. SEE
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/12447453f8494776fe.jpgThe bomb was almost in the building!~ See the car, the truck was packed right next to the building! The blast effects were able to get up in under and do what we saw that day when people were killed due to a few idiots crazy warped ideas. If people belive CT ideas about OKC, they may be as bad as Tim.

What is the problem? Why are idiots now unable to understand how two people can make a bomb and kill people when their drug friends did not turn them in? Sad thing is the friends could have turned the two idiots in, but even more why are the few left over idiots making up lies about OKC.
I can't even begin to recommend my previously referenced Discovery Channel show enough. Not only does the footage (full speed and slo-mo) of the explosion bring home the sheer magnitude of it, but they are even able to account for the assymetrical collapse of the Murrah building as a result of the configuration of the barrels in the back of the truck.

[A W Smith]

I can't even begin to recommend my previously referenced Discovery Channel show enough. Not only does the footage (full speed and slo-mo) of the explosion bring home the sheer magnitude of it, but they are even able to account for the assymetrical collapse of the Murrah building as a result of the configuration of the barrels in the back of the truck.

Terry Nichols Outlined His Role in OKC Bombing for Prosecutors (http://www.talkleft.com/story/2004/11/28/553/34751)


The bomb was constructed at Geary Lake. The only people present were Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols. The barrels were put in a shape charge design in the Ryder truck. I think there were eleven barrels and they were in the shape of this diagram. Boards were nailed into the floor to hold the barrels in place. McVeigh poured the fertilizer into the barrels. I am unsure how much fertilizer McVeigh put into each barrel. He had it all figured out. The nitromethane was added next. McVeigh had purchased a bathroom scale. There were several white plastic 5-gallon pails that were used to weigh the nitromethane.
The nitromethane was drawn out of the barrels by the use of a hand pump that McVeigh bought from the same man who sold him the nitromethane. If my memory is correct, I believe that 20-22 pounds of nitromethane was put into a pail. I cannot recall, but more than one pail of nitromethane was put into each barrel. Prior to finishing, it was obvious that there would not be enough nitromethane, so diesel fuel was siphoned out of my truck and used to finish the barrels.
There were about 12 bags of ammonium nitrate that were not put in the barrels. McVeigh stacked them in front of the point of the barrels. McVeigh put a hole in each of the bags and poured some diesel in each of the bags and then rolled them around a bit. The barrels were not mixed or moved. McVeigh put some Tovex in each barrel. I believe that McVeigh also put a major booster charge (Tovex) at the inside point of the V shape of the barrels. I do not know if he put anything with the bags of fertilizer, but it appeared that he was priming everything to make sure it would all go off.
Kinepak was mixed and put in the major booster charge. I believe that Kinepak was also mixed and placed in each of the barrels and, I assume, the bags of fertilizer. The only initiator that I am aware of was the Primadet and at least two regular blasting caps. A Primadet was placed in each barrel on the Kinepak and I believe he placed one in a location in the center of the group of bags of ammonium nitrate. All of the Primadet came to one location. I did not really see how he did each step of the Primadet, but I believe he used two regular blasting caps with green cannon fuse to initiate the Primadet cords.
Whether he had Kinepak there or not, I do not know. Two holes were drilled in the cab of the Ryder truck and two holes were drilled in the van of the Ryder truck. One green cannon fuse was run through each hole into the cab, under the seat. That is how McVeigh initiated the fuse. The recipe was McVeigh's and I believe he got it from the "Homemade C-4" literature and other literature he had gathered. I do not know the percentages. McVeigh told me what to do and so I was unaware of what the percentages were.

[porch]

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/mcveigh/mcveighwaco.html

This is a bit of an offside, but it's an article I enjoyed about McVeigh.

[Jonnyclueless]

An autopsy is only done when the death is unknown or if it's a criminal matter. It was pretty obvious he burned to death, so there wouldn't be much need for an autopsy. I suppose he could have possible died of a heart attack the second before he burned, but not worth looking into.

[leftysergeant]

I have to take issue with one comment in the timeline offered in that link. It states that pyrotech rounds fired into the building ignited the fires. I have seen no reliable evidence that pyrotech rounds were fired at any wooden structure. There is anecdotal evidence that some incendiary CS rounds were fired into a concrete structure.

At the time the fires started, there is no sign that I have seen that any rounds were fired into the wooden structure. Watching the tapes of the fires starting, I see multiple points of ignition on both sides of the wooden structure. The first smoke that I see suggests the use of a hydrocarbon accelerant. Clive Doyle, one of the survivors, was reported to have burns on his hands and remains of a substance resembling charcol lighting fluid on his skin and clothing. All these facts point to a deliberate setting of the fire from inside the building by its occupants.

I have heard the CS powder that was injected into the building described as highly flammable. I know this not to be true. While on active duty in the Army, at Ft Campbell, I was often dusted with CS powder from passing helicopters. Air Assault troops from the 101st Airborne seemed to enjoy dumping CS on "leg" units. On one occassion, I took a direct hit from a massive cloud of powder while working in the open with a burning M-2 burner. (Imagine a Coleman camp stove with a flame 12 inches in diameter.) It put the flame out. I have also been in a tent with operating M-2 burners when CS grenades were tossed inside. (A violation of safety protocols for several reasons, more because it might hit something flammable inside the tent.) Again, no ignition of the CS gas. It is, after all, a combustion product itself.

There is no doubt in my mind that the fires at the compound were set on Koresh's order.

[CurtC]

Dave im going to be honest here. I don't really think you believe what you are saying. If you do believe it then I am genuinely frightened. Very frightened.
I believe what he's saying, and I'm from Texas! His description of the phrase "new world order" (no caps) was purposefully on the sunshine-and-lollipops side, but it's true that when politicians have used this word, such as Bush 41 and Gary Hart, they're talking about increased cooperation between nations to deal with countries that suppress their citizens.