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andyandy
15th July 2007, 02:14 PM
no not an article about a giant lion which eats chimps, but giant chimps which eat lions....:)


Deep in the Congolese jungle is a band of apes that, according to local legend, kill lions, catch fish and even howl at the moon. Local hunters speak of massive creatures that seem to be some sort of hybrid between a chimp and a gorilla.

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When he [researcher Cleve Hicks] investigated he came across a chimp feasting on the carcass of a leopard. Mr Hicks cannot be sure the animal was killed by the chimp, but the find lends credence to the apes' lion-eating reputation.

"What we have found is this completely new chimpanzee culture," said Mr Hicks. Previously, researchers had only managed to snatch glimpses of the animals or take photos of them using camera traps. But Mr Hicks used local knowledge to get closer to them and photograph them.

"We were told of this sort of fabled land out west by one of our trackers who goes out there to fish," said Mr Hicks whose project is supported by the Wasmoeth Wildlife Foundation. "I call it the magic forest. It is a very special place."

Getting there means a gruelling 40km (25-mile) trek through the jungle, from the nearest road, not to mention navigating croc-infested rivers. But when he arrived he found apes without their normal fear of humans. Chimps near the road flee immediately at the sight of people because they know the consequences of a hunter's rifle, but these animals were happy to approach him. "The further away from the road the more fearless the chimps got," he added.

Mr Hicks reports that he found a unique chimp culture. For example, unlike their cousins in other parts of Africa the chimps regularly bed down for the night in nests on the ground. Around a fifth of the nests he found were there rather than in the trees.

"How can they get away with sleeping on the ground when there are lions, leopards, golden cats around as well as other dangerous animals like elephants and buffalo?" said Mr Hicks.

"I don't like to paint them as being more aggressive, but maybe they prey on some of these predators and the predators kind of leave them alone." He is keen to point out though that they don't howl at the moon.

"The ground nests were very big and there was obviously something very unusual going on there. They are not unknown elsewhere but very unusual," said Colin Groves, an expert on primate morphology at the Australian National University in Canberra who has observed the nests in the field.

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Mr Hicks said the animals also have what he calls a "smashing culture" - a blunt but effective way of solving problems. He has found hundreds of snails and hard-shelled fruits smashed for food, seen chimps carrying termite mounds to rocks to break them open and also found a turtle that was almost certainly smashed apart by chimps.

Like chimp populations in other parts of Africa, the Bili chimps use sticks to fish for ants, but here the tools are up to 2.5 metres long.

The most exciting thing about this population of chimps though is that it is much bigger than anyone realised and may be one of the largest remaining continuous populations of the species left in Africa. Mr Hicks and his colleague Jeroen Swinkels surveyed an area of 7,000 square kilometres and found chimps everywhere. Their unique culture was uniform throughout.http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,2126306,00.html

next time you're in the congo, beware the chimps :boxedin:

Miss Anthrope
15th July 2007, 02:21 PM
Wow! So much of their behavior and culture are fascinating!

Very cool article, thanks!!

Sherman Bay
15th July 2007, 02:40 PM
It sure is an interesting article. But I can't find any justification for believing that chimps hunt and kill lions, which seems to be what it implies and you may have assumed.

Note that it says, "...apes that, according to local legend, kill lions, catch fish and even howl at the moon. Local hunters speak of massive creatures that seem to be some sort of hybrid between a chimp and a gorilla." (bolding mine)

That's Bigfoot in a nutshell.

And just finding any animal feasting on a carcass doesn't prove that animal did anything more than stumble on some food or chase a previous feaster away.

If I display a painting of the Mona Lisa on my wall, it doesn't mean I am Leonardo.

Did anyone ever doubt that chimps will eat any meat that is put in front of them? Has it been assumed that lion meat is taboo and they know it?

articulett
15th July 2007, 02:48 PM
Now I'm hungry! (kidding)

Well, these brutes make the female chimps stabbing the bush babies in trees http://www.reuters.com/article/scienceNews/idUSN2244829320070222 look as dainty as a sewing circle.

mhaze
15th July 2007, 02:51 PM
I would like to help the animals in the wild.

So I shall go to them and teach them fire. And how to barbeque.

andyandy
15th July 2007, 03:10 PM
It sure is an interesting article. But I can't find any justification for believing that chimps hunt and kill lions, which seems to be what it implies and you may have assumed.

The journalist who wrote the article may be looking to imply that, the researcher is simply reporting what he found and speculating as to the reasons why. That on its own is very interesting.

you shouldn't be prepared to assume my assumptions soley from a facetious one line added to the bottom of an OP :D

articulett
15th July 2007, 03:22 PM
I would like to help the animals in the wild.

So I shall go to them and teach them fire. And how to barbeque.

I saw a video with Kanzi (famous bonobo chimp at primate research facility) putting meat on a barbecue... Perhaps, he'll go in your stead.

articulett
15th July 2007, 03:28 PM
The journalist who wrote the article may be looking to imply that, the researcher is simply reporting what he found and speculating as to the reasons why. That on its own is very interesting.

you shouldn't be prepared to assume my assumptions soley from a facetious one line added to the bottom of an OP :D

Yes. It did note the chimps didn't seem fearful of humans...the better to lure us to their lair and bash us with rocks and stab us with shattered turtle shells. Actually, chimps have been known to hunt as a "gang"...and even to murderously kill a rival gang member. http://encarta.msn.com/text_761573582__1/Chimpanzee.html

andyandy
15th July 2007, 03:43 PM
Yes. It did note the chimps didn't seem fearful of humans...the better to lure us to their lair and bash us with rocks and stab us with shattered turtle shells. Actually, chimps have been known to hunt as a "gang"...and even to murderously kill a rival gang member. http://encarta.msn.com/text_761573582__1/Chimpanzee.html

i saw a discovery channel documentary which featured a chimp battle....lots of whopping, chest beating and wanton violence....and if i remember rightly, they feasted on the dead carcuses of their slain rivals.

and all because some neighbouring chimps had the audacity to be in their part of the neighbourhood....

chimps, just like us :(
(apart from maybe the feasting on the dead bodies bit)

articulett
15th July 2007, 04:19 PM
i saw a discovery channel documentary which featured a chimp battle....lots of whopping, chest beating and wanton violence....and if i remember rightly, they feasted on the dead carcuses of their slain rivals.

and all because some neighbouring chimps had the audacity to be in their part of the neighbourhood....

chimps, just like us :(
(apart from maybe the feasting on the dead bodies bit)

Yes...they do form "gangs"... the males do, anyhow--the hunt in gangs and will beat up members of other gangs in a group frenzy.

Except for the bonobos--frequent orgasms release oxytocin in all members making everyone get along. Make love; not war seems to be their motto.

mhaze
15th July 2007, 09:04 PM
I've ran across some crowds of baboons in the wild, like when they were crossing a road. They look very intelligent, organized, wary, and like a bunch that you really don't want to mess with.