Administrators at Loose Change forums are 15 year young kids.

[ref]

This thread is very telling. It's titled "What did you do? Before joining the forum".

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=12280

We all know, our buddy Revolutionary91 is a 15 year old, and an administrator at the LCF. But it came up, that Sureshot is also 15, and an administrator. Not anything against 15 year olds, but they are moderators on a forum concentrating on a very complex and globally important issue.

Some comments:

Sureshot: "I was 9 when 9/11 happened, and back then I was a little dude that spent most of his time on playing video games and watching Lord of the Rings over and over ... Then about 4 years ago I stumbled upon Pentagon Strike and became obsessed about it."

Thehighwaymanq: "I was an uneducated, immature, in-the-dark adolescent who enjoyed playing sports, sometimes video games, watched way too much tv, wasn't informed and didn't care, did nothing remarkable with my life, and was nothing but a bore."

Revolutionary91 in reply to the above post: "I was the same except not into sports."

And so on..

This plays into every belief we have, seemingly right beliefs. Kids, bored, become obsessed with something they feel is very important. And Dylan takes full advantage of them. Some posters are older, of course. But the average age of admins is in the teens.

[Ripley Twenty-Nine]

This thread is very telling. It's titled "What did you do? Before joining the forum".

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=12280

We all know, our buddy Revolutionary91 is a 15 year old, and an administrator at the LCF. But it came up, that Sureshot is also 15, and an administrator. Not anything against 15 year olds, but they are moderators on a forum concentrating on a very complex and globally important issue.

Some comments:

Sureshot: "I was 9 when 9/11 happened, and back then I was a little dude that spent most of his time on playing video games and watching Lord of the Rings over and over ... Then about 4 years ago I stumbled upon Pentagon Strike and became obsessed about it."

Thehighwaymanq: "I was an uneducated, immature, in-the-dark adolescent who enjoyed playing sports, sometimes video games, watched way too much tv, wasn't informed and didn't care, did nothing remarkable with my life, and was nothing but a bore."

Revolutionary91 in reply to the above post: "I was the same except not into sports."

And so on..

This plays into every belief we have, seemingly right beliefs. Kids, bored, become obsessed with something they feel is very important. And Dylan takes full advantage of them. Some posters are older, of course. But the average age of admins is in the teens.
When I was 15, I would have probably been on the side of the Truthers too. I bet many people here would be as well.

From what I've seen, the typical truther isn't crazy; they're just at that phase in life where they think they know it all... And they'll most likely grow out of it as most people do.

[DGM]

But the average age of admins is in the teens.

I personally don't find this to be surprising. I think he would need to have a few young mods to make sure that the forum population was represented.

I know that if I would have a tough time moderating a young crowd being as I'm much older and not in touch with that mindset.

[Par]

When I was 15, I would have probably been on the side of the Truthers too. I bet many people here would be as well.



I almost certainly would have. I was entirely credulous of all things weird and woo. I suspect my arguments would have been practically indistinguishable from theirs as well.

[T.A.M.]

Definitely. At 15 if I was offered a chance to be part of a "club" or a movement, that was anti-establishment, and was doing sekrit investigative work to help bring down the Big Bad Govt, I would have joined immediately.

Then I grew up.

TAM:)

[Par]

After having scanned through that thread, it’s interesting to see how many posters simply took it on faith that 9/11 was a conspiracy – before they’d ever seen any of the supposed evidence.

[Gravy]

I'm surprised to hear that. I thought the LC admins were younger.

[T.A.M.]

actually the youth factor re:9/11 truth movement, is one of the only bright spots, in terms of this foolish movement eventually fading away...

TAM:)

[uk_dave]

Never trust anyone over 30, I say.

[rwguinn]

Never trust anyone over 30, I say.

I have been living that rule since 1968! It works for me!

[T.A.M.]

actually the biggest thing running through my mind, besides girls, at age 15 was who could kick who's ass better, RATT vs MOTLEY CRUE...lol

TAM:)

[CptColumbo]

When I was 15, I would have probably been on the side of the Truthers too. I bet many people here would be as well.

Ditto.

[Alareth]

At 15 I was a wannabe Young Republican.

I miss Ronnie

[Furcifer]

actually the biggest thing running through my mind, besides girls, at age 15 was who could kick who's ass better, RATT vs MOTLEY CRUE...lol

TAM:)

CRUE, hands down. Have you read the bio? They were immune to pain through self medication.

[The Silver Shadow]

actually the biggest thing running through my mind, besides girls, at age 15 was who could kick who's ass better, RATT vs MOTLEY CRUE...lol

TAM:)
Geez TAM, you're old :D

When I was 15, I was a young Liberal party member for Canada and I had met my first girlfriend. I've become more of a middle as I've grown up, but I used to be pretty political when I was 15. As for who could kick whose ass, it was always about Kimi vs. DC :D

I know, I'm an F1 fanatic!

[Unsecured Coins]

actually the biggest thing running through my mind, besides girls, at age 15 was who could kick who's ass better, RATT vs MOTLEY CRUE...lol

TAM:)

The CRUE. Tommy Lee was capable of de-pantsing himself, doing a "helicopter" and killing every man, woman, and child in the room

[Alareth]

The music of Motley Crue is subpar at best.

[T.A.M.]

actually if I remember correctly (been a while...lol) it was QUIET RIOT and MOTLEY CRUE who were "feuding"...

TAM:)

[Sultanist]

Wasn't 15 about the average age of The Mickey Mouse Club.

[uk_dave]

The CRUE. Tommy Lee was capable of de-pantsing himself, doing a "helicopter" and killing every man, woman, and child in the room

I have no idea who tommy lee is (an author, perhaps?) nor what 'doing a helicopter' entails (a recitation of original prose?)

[Unsecured Coins]

I have no idea who tommy lee is (an author, perhaps?) nor what 'doing a helicopter' entails (a recitation of original prose?)


Tommy Lee is the drummer for Motley Crue. If you're ever watched his infamous video you know he's packing a baby elephant trunk. I ain't lying. Dude's got a mean piece of timber and I fear for my life of having to go to jail with him.

doing a helicopter is simply swinging your wiggle stick in a circular manner, much like the blades of... youguessed it, a helicopter. That clear anything up?

[jujigatami]

I have to say, I am a little shocked.

I mean, I always thought that when we described truthers as 15 year olds, it was just mainly hurling an insult... because they act and think like 15 year olds.

Now that I know they actually ARE 15 year olds, well, have to say, it makes me a little sad. There is absolutely no honor in intellectually beating on a 15 year old.

[Ripley Twenty-Nine]

Now that I know they actually ARE 15 year olds, well, have to say, it makes me a little sad. There is absolutely no honor in intellectually beating on a 15 year old.
Yes, but thanks to the Internet, these 15 year olds have the potential to influence many, many people with their misinformation.

[Furcifer]

The music of Motley Crue is subpar at best.

Ouch. I thought so too until most recently. It has a certain nostalgia for me now.

RIOT or CRUE? STILL CRUE! Hands down, bar none.

They live as legends in Rock and Roll infamy second only to OZZY.

[Yaters]

At 15, I was deep into UFOs, Bigfoot, Lochness Monster, etc. I definitely would have been into thinking 9/11 was a conspiracy, but I also think I wouldn't have put myself out there too much.

It's tough, because at that age, you feel as though you have it all figured out, and adults are around strictly to keep you down.

Hopefully, most of these kids eventually go to college, live life and find something like a career to become passionate about.

[uk_dave]

Tommy Lee is the drummer for Motley Crue. If you're ever watched his infamous video you know he's packing a baby elephant trunk. I ain't lying. Dude's got a mean piece of timber and I fear for my life of having to go to jail with him.

doing a helicopter is simply swinging your wiggle stick in a circular manner, much like the blades of... youguessed it, a helicopter. That clear anything up?

Ahhhh so Tommy Lee is a percussionist for an 80's popular beat combo called 'motley crue', and he also tends for baby pachyderms in the local zoo and has been known to whittle pieces of wood into amusing shapes while waving his willy at people in a jovial manner?

How perfectly delightful.

Now, what is a vi dee ohh?

[quixotecoyote]

My amazing powers of prediction see a trip to Flames in the near future.

[rwguinn]

I have to say, I am a little shocked.

I mean, I always thought that when we described truthers as 15 year olds, it was just mainly hurling an insult... because they act and think like 15 year olds.

Now that I know they actually ARE 15 year olds, well, have to say, it makes me a little sad. There is absolutely no honor in intellectually beating on a 15 year old.

Remember, though, what the "E" in JREF is about.
One of the most important things a good citizen (anywhere) must learn is that actions have consequences. Taking a stance is an action. That action must be supported, one way or another. If the stand is wrong, unsupported, or simply silly, the consequences range anywhere from mild derision to humiliation before their peers--all of which are educational.
Too many people don't learn these lessons--but if you're going to jump in with the aligators, you have to be preparted to fend off the teeth and tails. Mama and Daddy can't protect you forever--and life's teachers often truly don't care about your "sensibilities"

[Monza]

Geez TAM, you're old :D

When I was 15, I was a young Liberal party member for Canada and I had met my first girlfriend. I've become more of a middle as I've grown up, but I used to be pretty political when I was 15. As for who could kick whose ass, it was always about Kimi vs. DC :D

I know, I'm an F1 fanatic!


Who did you find to argue against? The answer is clearly Kimi.

When I was 15, it was Senna vs Prost. I sided with the Professor.

[The Silver Shadow]

Who did you find to argue against? The answer is clearly Kimi.

When I was 15, it was Senna vs Prost. I sided with the Professor.
There were a couple of biased Brits in HS, and DC was the answer to Schumi. I was all about the Kimster. We were 15, what less could you expect?

[peteweaver]

Who did you find to argue against? The answer is clearly Kimi.

When I was 15, it was Senna vs Prost. I sided with the Professor.

What about Nigel Mansell / Damon Hill ? :(

[uk_dave]

Nigel Mansell? Wasn't he in 'Spinal Tap'?

[geni]

This thread is very telling. It's titled "What did you do? Before joining the forum".

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=12280

We all know, our buddy Revolutionary91 is a 15 year old, and an administrator at the LCF. But it came up, that Sureshot is also 15, and an administrator. Not anything against 15 year olds, but they are moderators on a forum concentrating on a very complex and globally important issue.


So what? 15 year olds tend to have time. Experence with 15 year old admins on wikipedia suggests they are generaly not the problem.

[T.A.M.]

So what? 15 year olds tend to have time. Experence with 15 year old admins on wikipedia suggests they are generaly not the problem.

you mean time outside of school, homework, and before 11PM...bedtime..

TAM:)

[Par]

What about Nigel Mansell / Damon Hill


Indeed. Mansell vs. Senna; Hill vs. Shumacher. Exciting stuff!

[Monza]

Indeed. Mansell vs. Senna; Hill vs. Shumacher. Exciting stuff!

Age 15 wasn't that long ago for me (I am 34), but it is strange seeing the sons of drivers I watched in the 80's make it to F1 (Villeneuve, Rosberg, Piquet).

We have diverged from the original topic (even though our topic of F1 is better.:)). While there is nothing wrong with 15 year olds being mods of the LCF, it is very telling. Regardless of who you are, you view life differently as an adult than you do at 15.

[Foolmewunz]

Yeah, TAM's old, alright....

When I was 15, we were arguing about whether The Rolling Stones or The Beatles were the better British Rock group.

Now get off my lawn, ya rotten kidz!

[uk_dave]

In my day it was Elgar or Chopin.

Ohhh the riots we used to have. Happy days.

[DGM]

Yeah, TAM's old, alright....

When I was 15, we were arguing about whether The Rolling Stones or The Beatles were the better British Rock group.

Now get off my lawn, ya rotten kidz!
I know what you mean but I didn't want to say anything. What the hells a "Kimi & DC"?:cool:

[grmcdorman]

Beats me. The only DC I know well is Direct Current. That, and some comic book publisher. (Never read 'em. Nope. No sirree. Nohow. .... well, almost never. :D)

[Kryptos]

Well, I was reading about their plans for 9/11/07, and responses.


am i allowed to go there if im underaged? im gonna like not know anybody lol im 16 and noone will come with me if i go there =(


Hey bro, I'm 14 and bringing my mommy! Bring a parent.




I wish I could come, that sounds so awesome. :(

What's holding you back?

1) I live on the other side of the United States, here in middle of nowhere Idaho
2) I'm 14.
4) It costs lots of money that I can't afford.

If I could wish for one thing I would be there, Dylan. I really wish I could. :(

[Max Photon]

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Ahhh, it just seems like yesterday that our TAM was treating us to such sophomoric (sophomoronic?) mind-snacks as this...

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"...remember the list [JREFer's 9/11 Expertise] is compiled

in order to prove to those that would question us

that we are not a bunch of teens in highschool,

but rather a large group of well educated individuals.


My qualifications wrt to 9/11 are near nil myself."

TAM

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True TAM, true, but that is no reason to nil yourself.

I think you mean:

TAM's qualifications wrt 9/11 are near nil.



I swear to God, you guys are the best!

Max

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[Pardalis]

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/8886469ffc726606d.gif

[qarnos]

If I could wish for one thing I would be there, Dylan. I really wish I could.

Now, that's just silly. Everybody knows if you have just one wish, you wish for more wishes.

Obviously he hasn't dealt with genies before.

[Hokulele]

I'm curious how many of these boys will someday put their administrative experience on a job/college application.

[Calcas]

This is actually somewhat of a sad, but telling, thread started by Rev.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=12399

He copies an email sent by a good friend of his mothers sent to his mom. She expresses concern about out the boy and whether "Dad" is on top of things because of his interest in 9-11.

Rev then copies Dads reply and is very excited that Dad is sticking up for him and is planning to take him to NYC for 9-11 this year.

Part of the problem is that while rev starts by saying "I'm JD" in the email he not only makes it clear what his first name is, but also his dads name, his moms name, and his little sisters name!

The family angst is all too clear. I have read posts of his before and he seems bright. But, from this thread he also seems a lost child...

Oh, and one of the first replies is from Dylan with an "atta boy..."

[BillyRayValentine]

Nigel Mansell? Wasn't he in 'Spinal Tap'?

That's Nigel Tuffnel (sp?).

This one goes to 11.

[DarkMagician]

I know we can't but I've got this sudden urge to nominate the whole thread for the Stundies.

[Alt+F4]

At 15 I was a wannabe Young Republican.

I miss Ronnie

In 1984 I was 20 and in voting in my first Presidential election. I voted Republican, the only time ever. Everyone, like these young truthers, makes mistakes.

[T.A.M.]

Well Max, I have a 3 year diploma in Electronic Engineering, So that is almost as relevent as Jeff King's 9/11 Expertese and he is the guy who gave a truther talk on 9/11 in front of Ed Bagley Jnr and others, so I would say "Near Nil" is more appropriate, but thanks for the insult. My how you have gone from being a harmless and benign poster to a rather insulting one...what gives?

And since you started it, I would also say my Qualifications are somewhat better than yours (in geophysics and marketing).

TAM:)

[StoneWT]

Nonsense, T.A.M., bloody nonsense. No one can know more than an adolescent boy with a silly Internet name and a website pushing a theory pulled out of thin air. :rolleyes: Honestly, I'm surprised at you. :)

[T.A.M.]

Well I have to try to take Max at his word that he has a degree in geophysics, with an MBA in marketing, so if he is a boy, it might only be in spirit, as I suspect he is in his twenyies at least...if he is being honest about his education.

TAM:)

[Redtail]

I doubt I would have been a truther at 15. Just because around this time when i was 15 (About this time of year MoF) John broke his leg and I became the starting LCB for varsity football. I then began my weird journey of being Jock/Honors Student/Theatre geek.

[Furcifer]

I doubt I would have been a truther at 15. Just because around this time when i was 15 (About this time of year MoF) John broke his leg and I became the starting LCB for varsity football. I then began my weird journey of being Jock/Honors Student/Theatre geek.

When I was 15 I did much the same. I was doing pole vault (+3.0M) and 400M (-60s) in track, to meet chicks. And I was free safety on the FB team, to meet chicks. In retrospect, I was doing everything I could to meet chicks.

(and I did, meet chicks)
:p

[Unfit4Command]

I wouldn't have been a Truther at 15, I saw "Pentagon Strike" for the first time at 16 and began my debunking shortly afterwards. :)

I think it has more to do with people refusing to do research that doesn't include watching movies with scary music. I remember on last 9/11 when I wrote a paper for someone I knew about the Pentagon because he believed all of "Pentagon Strike's" garbage, he didn't look at it... :(

I think Gravy's tactic of asking people what NISTs explanation for the mechanism of collapse shows it best. Most people don't even know, some people are still stuck on the pancake theory causing collapse initiation. I bet most Truthers still think the official explanation is melting steel.

It's just really sad.

[JQH]

At 15, I was deep into UFOs, Bigfoot, Lochness Monster, etc. I definitely would have been into thinking 9/11 was a conspiracy, but I also think I wouldn't have put myself out there too much.

It's tough, because at that age, you feel as though you have it all figured out, and adults are around strictly to keep you down.

Hopefully, most of these kids eventually go to college, live life and find something like a career to become passionate about.

Likewise but in those days there was no internet for me to plaster my stupidity all over, so now I can forget it ever happened. This lot are going to be faced with continual reminders of their teen stupidity.

[8den]

There's a debate in the UK to lower the voting age to 16. The loose change forum is a compelling argument against that proposal.

Sixteen jesus, the crap I believed at 16, I knew everything, pontificated about politics science religion, and life. I knew I could fix the world if I was in charge. Also my Shadowrun Cyberpunk street Shaman ruled!

[westprog]

Who did you find to argue against? The answer is clearly Kimi.

When I was 15, it was Senna vs Prost. I sided with the Professor.

Shouldn't that be Mika vs. DC?

[Checkmite]

When I was 15 I was in model UN. I also bowhunted.

[Par]

This is actually somewhat of a sad, but telling, thread started by Rev.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=12399

He copies an email sent by a good friend of his mothers sent to his mom. She expresses concern about out the boy and whether "Dad" is on top of things because of his interest in 9-11.

Rev then copies Dads reply and is very excited that Dad is sticking up for him and is planning to take him to NYC for 9-11 this year.

Part of the problem is that while rev starts by saying "I'm JD" in the email he not only makes it clear what his first name is, but also his dads name, his moms name, and his little sisters name!

The family angst is all too clear. I have read posts of his before and he seems bright. But, from this thread he also seems a lost child...

Oh, and one of the first replies is from Dylan with an "atta boy..."




Wow. That really is sad. Especially as the women writing the email seems extremely polite and open minded and to really care about the boy’s wellbeing whereas the father – the one in a position to actually have a stabilising effect – looks to be a blustering idiot.

I feel slightly more sympathetic toward Jonathon now.

[scissorhands]

They are getting younger by the day.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=12437

[Travis]

At 15 I was already a scientifically minded skeptic and would not have bought into the Truther junk. I stood up to my peers on my principles (I didn't drink, party or engage in other frivolous recreational activities) and, believe it or not, they seemed to have respected that. I may have been the uber-nerd that questioned the need for humans to dance and referred to couples as "Human Pair Bonds" but I was still Junior Class Homecoming Prince.*


*Of course it may have just been a joke to give it to the nerd. At least they paired me up with a hottie as princess though.

[Alt+F4]

Hey I just thought of something....Sept 18 is my birthday. :D

I wonder if I could convince my parents to take me to GZ for my birthday.

Gee, maybe after he blows out his candles someone can show him where body parts were found on Liberty Street.

[Par]

Oh God, this is just so depressing:

http://telltheworld911.blogspot.com/

[Alt+F4]

Oh God, this is just so depressing:

http://telltheworld911.blogspot.com/

I wouldn't worry too much. I know thousands of teenagers and have never met a "teen truther". Most of these boys will forget this nonsense once a pretty girl looks their way.

What I do find disturbing is that some of these boys post way too much about their personal lives while trying to spread the "truth". I wonder what Mark Foley's opinion is on 9/11?

[CHF]

I've never thought much of the kids in the twoof movement.

As others have said, they're at that stage in life. I was there to.

Now the older folks...the Jones brothers, Fetzer, Wood, Reynolds...what's their excuse?

[T.A.M.]

revenge, attention, paranoia...I could go on, but lets start with these.

TAM:)

[The Silver Shadow]

Shouldn't that be Mika vs. DC?
I was 15 in 2002, when Kimi made his debut for McLaren...

[Beerina]

I was 15 in 1981, and was having deep, incredibly intimate and meaningful fantasies about my 10th grade English teacher.

And my Spanish teacher.

And my friend's mom.

And my other friend's mom.

And my friend's older sister.

And my friend's older sister's friend.

And pretty much anything else that moved, was under age 59 1/2, and under 250 lbs.

[T.A.M.]

I am assuming honesty is your strong suit. Well done, it is a refreshing post...lol

TAM:)

[The Silver Shadow]

I was 15 in 1981, and was having deep, incredibly intimate and meaningful fantasies about my 10th grade English teacher.

And my Spanish teacher.

And my friend's mom.

And my other friend's mom.

And my friend's older sister.

And my friend's older sister's friend.

And pretty much anything else that moved, was under age 59 1/2, and under 250 lbs.
and I would assume that "anything" would be female, and human ;)

[jaydeehess]

The Artistic Marcophage isn't that old.

IIRC I was into The Rolling Stones, Led Zepplin and Uriah heep back in 1971.

I was also into UFO's Bigfoot and Nessie. I never bought into the Apollo Hoax and was on the fence concerning JFK. I do not believe that I would have swallowed the feacl matter that passes for reasoned thought in the present day "Truth movement". By way of proof to that I note that 3 years later, when approached and cajoled by Scientologists to look into myself by way of studying "Dianetics" with them I refused. It sounded like crap to me.

By 21 I was put off by no Bigfoot proof, no Loch Ness monster proof and UFO's were just that, "unexplained", but there was no proof that they were extraterrestrial craft.

[CptColumbo]

When I was 15 "Thriller" was topping the charts, and I got beat up for saying that I liked Buddy Holly and AC/DC more than Michael Jackson. I still like them more today.

I was also a little Goth, but in style of clothing only.

[Crungy]

The Artistic Marcophage isn't that old.

IIRC I was into The Rolling Stones, Led Zepplin and Uriah heep back in 1971.


At 15 I saw Black Sabbath. Tomorrow I'm buying 10 tickets for a Black Sabbath (Heaven and Hell) with Alice Cooper concert in September. Three of my concert going buds were with me for the show back in 83. :p

\m/

Heep? :confused:

I was into the UFO, Bigfoot and Loch Ness monster thing around 10, at 15 a lil' JFK. I look back deeply embarassed.

[T.A.M.]

The Artistic Marcophage isn't that old.

IIRC I was into The Rolling Stones, Led Zepplin and Uriah heep back in 1971.

I was also into UFO's Bigfoot and Nessie. I never bought into the Apollo Hoax and was on the fence concerning JFK. I do not believe that I would have swallowed the feacl matter that passes for reasoned thought in the present day "Truth movement". By way of proof to that I note that 3 years later, when approached and cajoled by Scientologists to look into myself by way of studying "Dianetics" with them I refused. It sounded like crap to me.

By 21 I was put off by no Bigfoot proof, no Loch Ness monster proof and UFO's were just that, "unexplained", but there was no proof that they were extraterrestrial craft.

I was into bottled milk and pablem, as well as fresh diaper changes in 1971.

TAM;)

[negativ]

I'm curious how many of these boys will someday put their administrative experience on a job/college application.

What *will* happen is that they will all grow up to become middle management personnel, and through a continuation of the perpetual butt-whipping that is my life, I will end up subordinate to them, somehow.

[Miss Anthrope]

I was legally emancipated when I was 15.5---I was going to night school, working full time and sharing an apartment and all the assorted bills.

But also enmeshed in woo.

[MIKILLINI]

It was at age 14 for me when I started inquiring about world events. Since We lived on an a farm, world events would have direct and indirect effects almost immediately in rural areas. Plus, our school would pass out pamphlets with news articles in them, these were named "Weekly Reader". every kid got one, every week. I didn't pay much attention to these, until the Arab oil embargo. The parents were talking about the embargo, the aunts and uncles were talking about the embargo, the teachers,... it seemed like everyone was.
The effect of the embargo soon followed, the upswing in fuel prices, gas stations with no fuel, sometimes waiting in line for gas. Very impressionable time for Me.

[DarkMagician]

Heck, I was 15 when 9/11 happened.

Now if I could only remember what project was I on.

[A W Smith]

Wow 15 was a long time ago. I can remember listening to Alex Bennett (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Bennett)radio talk show many nights from midnight till 6 am when he signed off. His show was a mixed bag of social issues, vietnam, current events, politics, things happening in his private life, and call ins from many odd characters, I still remember "the amazing Richie the amazing" who would call in at like 4 am from outside his apartment window in NYC doing improvisational music to dogs barking in the neighborhood. Alex was Howard Stearn before there ever was a Howard Stearn. During the day if i could keep my eyes open me and my friends would terrorize the neighborhood with our mini bikes before we graduated to Motocross bikes (A CZ (http://digilander.libero.it/cuoccimix/ENGLISH-automotorusse-q(CZ).htm)for me eventually (http://www.vintagemx.us/guestbook/czatcarlsbad.jpg)). some of us even took up smoking cigarettes for a couple months but the cost of a 65 cent pack of cigarettes was cutting into our gasoline funds for our bikes and ashcans and m80s for explosives. Anyone here remember Big buddy chewing gum? a nickle for a foot of gum.

[Damien Evans]

Yeah, TAM's old, alright....

When I was 15, we were arguing about whether The Rolling Stones or The Beatles were the better British Rock group.

Now get off my lawn, ya rotten kidz!

Clearly The Rolling Stones are better.

Evidence: Sympathy For The Devil

[LashL]

Oh God, this is just so depressing:

http://telltheworld911.blogspot.com/

Sad, but on the up side, they might, just might, grow out of it.

(Although it looks a bit dicey for the one kid since his grandfather and uncle are also delusional.)

[WildCat]

At 15 I saw Black Sabbath. Tomorrow I'm buying 10 tickets for a Black Sabbath (Heaven and Hell) with Alice Cooper concert in September. Three of my concert going buds were with me for the show back in 83. :p

I saw the Chicago leg of that tour, they had Ian Gillian singing for them then. It was the only concert I've ever been to (and I've been to hundreds since) where I saw people being carried into the show because they were too drunk to walk themselves.

And oh yeah, Twisted Sister opened for them but their set ended during the second song when Dee Schneider jumped into the crowd to fight a heckler.

Good times!

[Stellafane]

I guess I shouldn't be all that surprised that the LC forum has devolved into a kiddie carnival. Perhaps I was more right than I knew when I compared Dylan Avery to the leader of a lame and boring summer camp, desperately trying to keep the children upbeat and entertained with tales of all the fun and exciting things they'll all be doing real soon, any day now.

For me, the whole 9/11 CT thing has been a mixture of despicable and pathetic. Lately it's been mostly the latter, especially in the wake of that incredible string of bad news LC received recently (Chuck, Rosie, and Cuban pulling out, Virgin dropping them, no love from South Park and Kevin Smith, and so on). It's hard to get too worked up about a "movement" that is disintegrating that much, that fast. But thinking about what Avery is doing to these children reminds me afresh of the "despicable" factor. Is he so desperate for attention that he seeks it by pandering to disaffected teens? Does he really want to make a career and living off these kids? I suppose Avery might counter that Disney does the same, but at least they don't try to screw up their minds by claiming Toy Story is a documentary. How does this guy look himself in the mirror each day?

Then again, maybe this LC children's crusade has a purpose. A lot of adults, myself included, feel uncomfortable debating children. To see why, consider our recent wunderkind revolution91 -- absolutely nothing to say, recycles old material debunked 100 times over, contradicts his/her own argument constantly without even realizing it, has no interest in responding to valid questions or learning anything, etc. etc. What's the point in talking with someone like that? Even when you make them look utterly foolish thay don't get it; after a while you realize you're just wasting your time.

Maybe this is Avery's last, desperate move -- send his child followers out to carry on the rapidly fading LC message, hoping that skeptics will be too disgusted and embarassed to respond.

[Crungy]

I saw the Chicago leg of that tour, they had Ian Gillian singing for them then. It was the only concert I've ever been to (and I've been to hundreds since) where I saw people being carried into the show because they were too drunk to walk themselves.

And oh yeah, Twisted Sister opened for them but their set ended during the second song when Dee Schneider jumped into the crowd to fight a heckler.

Good times!

That Stonehenge set rocked! \m/

Actually, it was Quite Riot that opened. Their album hit the number one spot that week and they celebrated bass player Rudy Sarzo's birthday by ending their set in a pie fight.

To this day, with hundreds of concerts of all genres under my belt, I've never heard louder bass. My internal organs were vibrating throughout the show. :eye-poppi

[Caper]

I would have gobbled that **** right up when I was 15. I remember wathcing an old NBC special... Ancient prophecies... I was positive the world was ending in the year 2000.

[uk_dave]

We had books by eric von denaikan (SP? who cares...) in our school library. It's what made me join the NWO ZOG and get rid of that dangerously subversive ****. If people are gonna believe in that they'll start to believe in psychics and mediums and then where will our Owl Ceremony be?

[TjW]

I don't think I would have bought into twoofer junk at 15. I had built, broken, and blown up enough stuff even that early that the towers falling after being compromised and burning would not have surprised me at all.

[Foolmewunz]

Clearly The Rolling Stones are better.

Evidence: Sympathy For The Devil

Ahh, my argument predates the "classical years".... We were fighting over whether songs like I Want to Hold Your Hand and Do You Want to Know a Secret were superior to Walking the Dog or Time is on My Side.... But by late '65 (that's when I was 15) the argument was settled with the release of the album Out of Our Heads....(with Satisfaction on it), and with 1966's Paint it Black. By the time they got up to Sympathy for the Devil, Let it Bleed, Honky Tonk Women, et al, the Beatles had begun their meltdown.

[Ripley Twenty-Nine]

I would have gobbled that **** right up when I was 15. I remember wathcing an old NBC special... Ancient prophecies... I was positive the world was ending in the year 2000.
Hey, me too!

Luckily by the time May 5th, 2000 actually came around, I was skeptical enough just to laugh the whole thing off.

[Darat]

When I'm 15 I'm hoping I can have the stabilisers taken off my bike!

[jaydeehess]

At 15 I saw Black Sabbath. Tomorrow I'm buying 10 tickets for a Black Sabbath (Heaven and Hell) with Alice Cooper concert in September. Three of my concert going buds were with me for the show back in 83. :p

\m/

Heep? :confused:



http://www.uriah-heep.com/newa/index.php

Also "Slade", "T.Rex" and "Blue Oyster Cult"

[Checkmite]

At 15 I was already a scientifically minded skeptic and would not have bought into the Truther junk. I stood up to my peers on my principles (I didn't drink, party or engage in other frivolous recreational activities) and, believe it or not, they seemed to have respected that.

Oddly enough, when I was 15 I wouldn't have bought into the junk either, but for an entirely different reason. Being born and raised (for the most part) on military bases, I always tended to take anti-government/anti-military rhetoric personally for some odd reason; so I've always been opposed to conspiratoid bozos. I didn't really incorporate the "skeptical" mindset until my late teens.

[Sureshot]

So what are you guys up to?

Just thought I would drop in and say hi, since y'all made a thread bout me. :D

[Unsecured Coins]

at work. It sucks to actually have to get a job since Dylan told me I didn't have a real life...

[mortimer]

Yep, I'm at work as well. No rest for the NWO wicked!

[Unsecured Coins]

Yep, I'm at work as well. No rest for the NWO wicked!

Speaking of that... is your "new intern" incredibly lazy with the coffee too?

[mortimer]

Speaking of that... is your "new intern" incredibly lazy with the coffee too?

Yes, but that's OK. She's got other, ahem, assets.

[Revolutionary91]

Look at what some sad JREFer has been up to:

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=13487

Pretending to be a child and actually using childrens pictures to represent themselves.

[negativ]

Look at what some sad JREFer has been up to:

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=13487

Pretending to be a child and actually using childrens pictures to represent themselves.

Care to reproduce any of that over here, since a lot of us are doubleplus banned unperson overthere?

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Never trust anyone over 30, I say.

I'll be 30 in 2 more years. My B-day's coming up next month, 9/12, day after 9/11. I never really celebrated my b-day after 9/11 happened, out of respect for those that died. :covereyes

[DGM]

Look at what some sad JREFer has been up to:

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=13487

Pretending to be a child and actually using childrens pictures to represent themselves.
Looks like you spoke too soon. Go back and read the rest of the thread.

[EvilBiker]

Look at what some sad JREFer has been up to:

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=13487

Pretending to be a child and actually using childrens pictures to represent themselves.


I'm assuming you are using the term JREFer strictly in LC terms, ie. "anybody in the whole world who disagrees with us, whether or not we have an inkling of an idea as to where he actually comes from."...?

[kookbreaker]

Look at what some sad JREFer has been up to:

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=13487

Pretending to be a child and actually using childrens pictures to represent themselves.

You didn't read that thread all the way, did you?

"Wow.... :blink:

I dunno though, he did meet Willy Rodriguez and guess they talked:
http://bp0.blogger.com/_1Z1g2d8-msU/RqDZJU...-h/IMAG0050.JPG

Unusual for a JREF'er

If they are a troll they went to mighty long reaches to make it seem they weren't, evem amking a trailer for their doc:
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...706666216655455"

and

"Looks like Joe is innocent then?"

OOps. Looks like they may have jumped the gun!

[DavidJames]

Another example of Rev making a foolish claim and then running away, failing to acknowledge his mistakes.

You're a young man Rev, society hopes young people learn from their mistakes so they can grow up to be productive members of society. So far, considering the number of threads you've run away from when trapped, things don't look so good for you.

There is still time.

[EvilBiker]

Heh, looks like closet embarrassment all around - that thread got locked quick.

Paranoia is wonderful sheep-dip.

[AZCat]

I love a good witch hunt. :)

[Revolutionary91]

Im not wrong. Joe appeared on the same day as this thread.

Heres one of his gems on LC

same here id give away my last dollar to help a dying man/woman
why should people pay to see fc, its an internet movie not a speilberg, i cant wait for fc, but charging people to see it is sick, how can you charge and be a non profitable organisation?


Hes a jrefer.

[funk de fino]

Im not wrong. Joe appeared on the same day as this thread.

Heres one of his gems on LC



Hes a jrefer.


no he's not

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Im not wrong. Joe appeared on the same day as this thread.

Heres one of his gems on LC



Hes a jrefer.


Well people make assumptions about me everyday. Rev91, do you really believe everything you read on the LCF?

[NYCEMT86]

Your lucky Rev91,

You know why?

Because you aren't banned from this forum yet. Like many of us, we have been banned from LC Forum for getting our point across.


I am glad I am on a forum that supports and respects that little pesky first Amendment, which you Twoofers like to step all over.

[JimBenArm]

Well people make assumptions about me everyday. Rev91, do you really believe everything you read on the LCF?
Of course he does, unless it's on JREF. Then it's obviously a lie. So everything he posts here is a lie. Also, since he post here, he's a JREFer as well. So, the admin at LC is a JREFer!
Shocking!

BTW, I'm back! Anyone miss me?

[DavidJames]

Hes a jrefer.I suppose you could be correct, but as with most of your claims, you’ve yet to show evidence. You consistently make claims without providing evidence, you’re quick to accuse, not so quick to support your accusations and quick again running away when your nonsense is exposed.

Of course you can prove me wrong by altering your behavior or making a claim, supporting it with evidence and then sticking around long enough to defend it.

[Revolutionary91]

no he's not

We will see when it is traced.

[Alt+F4]

Hes a jrefer.

So are you.

[Revolutionary91]

Also, he has been banned from loose change. Lets see how the dvd and blog comes along. He appeared from nowhere with a trailer, forum, blog and "production" team all in place. He appeared the same day as this thread and he has trolled LC ever since representing every stereotype the Jrefers talk about.

[funk de fino]

We will see when it is traced.

if you can prove to me he is, then i will be a man and admit it?

if you do not then will you admit it?

i suspect not, that is the difference between someone like you and someone like me

and its nothing to do with age

[Revolutionary91]

Heres what the sick pervert said about the jumpers from the wtc and the locked door

i know it would be difficult, but wouldnt you try and try again, rather than jumping?

Whoever you are joe, get help...fast.

[NYCEMT86]

We will see when it is traced.

Do you and any of the other LCFers have anything better to do than to exert all this attention and focus on us? You know like spreading that large steaming pile of Twoof?

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

How can you get back on the LCF?

Easy! Just create a new IP Address on your computer. Follow the instructions & after you're done reboot your computer. I was banned on LCF but after I created my own IP I can just go back on LCF & just look at their posts.

Anything's possible if you really put your mind to it.

[Unsecured Coins]

Im not wrong. Joe appeared on the same day as this thread.

Heres one of his gems on LC



Hes a jrefer.

You post here, so... you know what that makes you, right?

[Revolutionary91]

Joe started 35 threads since July 19th. Most were jrefer arguments or stereotypes. He is 100% jrefer and will be traced.

[HyJinX]

Joe started 35 threads since July 19th. Most were jrefer arguments or stereotypes. He is 100% jrefer and will be traced.

You're 100% moron and you continue to prove it daily.

[Civilized Worm]

Would people please lay off Rev's age? The younger twoofers are more likely to come to their senses as they mature, but what chance is there of reaching them if we just tease and talk down to them? Yes I know that the twoofer standards of debate are not very high but that's supposed to be what seperates us.

[JimBenArm]

Joe started 35 threads since July 19th. Most were jrefer arguments or stereotypes. He is 100% jrefer and will be traced.
And then what? If he's a JREFer, BFD. He's doing this on his own, and is not a representative of this board. If he's not, well, a certain child should apologize to us. Not that this will happen, since he is a child.

So, seems to me only bad can come of this, for you. Nothing bad can come of this for us. So why all the hue and cry, child?

[stateofgrace]

Joe started 35 threads since July 19th. Most were jrefer arguments or stereotypes. He is 100% jrefer and will be traced.

Traced?

Dear God,and what are you going to do when you " trace " him?

[Revolutionary91]

Would people please lay off Rev's age? The younger twoofers are more likely to come to their senses as they mature, but what chance is there of reaching them if we just tease and talk down to them? Yes I know that the twoofer standards of debate are not very high but that's supposed to be what seperates us.

Thanks. I have now started reporting every instance of it.

[NYCEMT86]

Joe started 35 threads since July 19th. Most were jrefer arguments or stereotypes. He is 100% jrefer and will be traced.

Then what? Hmm? When you start your "Revolution" will you throw him into a re-education camps? Go to his house and murder him?

You have already banned him for expressing his point of view...I guess we don't need to the government to take away our rights...the LCF crew will do it for them.

[Alt+F4]

Thanks. I have now started reporting every instance of it.

Nobody cares what you think. You're just another Jrefer.

[JimBenArm]

Thanks. I have now started reporting every instance of it.
So?

[jmercer]

Ok, folks. Let me make this clear.

ATTACK THE ARGUMENT AND NOT THE ARGUER.

If all you can do is make snide age-related comments about someone, then don't make any comment at all.

Review your Membership Agreement if needed, and remember that the CT sub-forum is under a much stricter interpretation of the rules.

[Pardalis]

Rev, do you even know what the JREF is?

[jmercer]

So?

So if this keeps up, stuff will start happening.

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Sorry about that!

I think it's safe to say that if LCF doesn't allow people from JREF to post there.

Whatever happened to the 1st Amendment?

[Civilized Worm]

The 1st amendment doesn't apply to private internet forums.

If I were to accuse "Joe" of being anyone, it would be Troy from WV, a jerk who has long been banned from these forums.

[T.A.M.]

I think we should all comply, including Rev who on a number of occasions has brought his age into the arguements, such as,

"Way to go, does it feel good to be argueing with a 15 year old" (paraphrasing).

If we are to not bring it up, than neither should he.

However, that said, i think if the poster feels that comments he makes reflect a lack of wisdom or insight that is typical of youth, then it should be allowed.

TAM:)

[Calcas]

Ok, folks. Let me make this clear.

ATTACK THE ARGUMENT AND NOT THE ARGUER.

If all you can do is make snide age-related comments about someone, then don't make any comment at all.

Review your Membership Agreement if needed, and remember that the CT sub-forum is under a much stricter interpretation of the rules.


"Snide age-related comments" are one thing. However, I don't think it's inappropriate to remind others that we're dealing with someone who isn't old enough to drive. It's relevant. It would be relevant to remind someone that TAM is a doctor, or apathoid is an avionics expert and works on 757's, etc.

It's not "ageism" as he likes to call it. It's simply a fact that one who is SO young does not have the experiences that adults do. That doesn't make his opinions wrong, in and of itself. But, I see no reason to occasionally remind others that are reading that these opinions are from a 15 year old.

If you disagree please run it up the ladder for me.

Thanks.

[Revolutionary91]

"Snide age-related comments" are one thing. However, I don't think it's inappropriate to remind others that we're dealing with someone who isn't old enough to drive. It's relevant. It would be relevant to remind someone that TAM is a doctor, or apathoid is an avionics expert and works on 757's, etc.

It's not "ageism" as he likes to call it. It's simply a fact that one who is SO young does not have the experiences that adults do. That doesn't make his opinions wrong, in and of itself. But, I see no reason to occasionally remind others that are reading that these opinions are from a 15 year old.

If you disagree please run it up the ladder for me.

Thanks.

Do you think comments ive recieved such as "one day you will get laid". and insinuations that i masturbate between posts are ok?

[Calcas]

Do you think comments ive recieved such as "one day you will get laid". and insinuations that i masturbate between posts are ok?

No, those are over the top and I may have even been guilty of a snide remark or two. But, "remember, this is coming from a 15 year old" should be Ok.

Hell, I think I even said you sounded like a "bright kid" somewhere else.

But, you're still a kid.

And that's relevant.

[Revolutionary91]

No, those are over the top and I may have even been guilty of a snide remark or two. But, "remember, this is coming from a 15 year old" should be Ok.

Hell, I think I even said you sounded like a "bright kid" somewhere else.

But, you're still a kid.

And that's relevant.

No, mentioning my age is an ad hom.

[qarnos]

But, "remember, this is coming from a 15 year old" should be Ok.

I disagree, here. There are people in the 9/11 truth movement who are much older than Rev, and should know better, but they make the same arguments. So, clearly, physical age is not the sole contributor.

[funk de fino]

No, mentioning my age is an ad hom.

is it an ad hom when you mention it?

[Sureshot]

Truther or not, it seems like this board is plagued with ageism.

Ageism is stereotyping and prejudice against individuals or groups because of their age.

[VespaGuy]

Truther or not, it seems like this board is plagued with ageism.

Personally, for me it's just jealousy. I remember when I was a teenager and I knew everything. It sucks to get old and realize that you don't.

[Phrost]

Truther or not, it seems like this board is plagued with ageism.

Ageism is much more relevant when you're talking about the difference between adults of 20 and 50. Not so much when you're talking about the difference between children with limited life experience, and their elders.

If 15 year olds were generally considered to be capable of responsibly participating in society, the legal drinking age wouldn't be 21 in most places, and the right to vote wouldn't be given at 18.

It's the same reason why a 25 year old can't have sex with a 15 year old in many states; they're not mature enough to make an informed decision.

[Calcas]

Truther or not, it seems like this board is plagued with ageism.

"Ageism is stereotyping and prejudice against individuals or groups because of their age."


Who said anything about stereotyping? And how do you know there is prejudice?

Here's the deal. When you converse with people face to face, you would be able to SEE the person you're talking to. With the web, it's totally different. I see nothing wrong with "painting a picture" to help in this regard. After all, it's not like he didn't offer up this bit of information himself.

And, welcome sureshot. Member since Feb and this is your second post. If you're the same sureshot from lcf I would be surprised to see you last 50 posts without self destructing here.

Because the guy over there is nuts.

[Civilized Worm]

I'm usually the last person to take the moral highground, but since Rev91 started posting here it seems like half this forum have been acting like 15 year olds. Surely considering his age we should be cutting him more slack than the older more experienced twoofers that should know better. Remember that we are unofficial representatives of the JREF and are supposed to be rational, sceptical, critical thinkers, if the younger twoofers are given a bad impression of the sceptical community then they could grow up to be the next Alex Joneses.

[DavidJames]

Thanks. I have now started reporting every instance of it.
Such are the the rules of this board. You can accuse innocent people of mass murder and that's perfectly fine. But let someone refer to your age and you get to whine like a hurt child (whoops ;) ) to the mods to make them stop.

Yes those are the rules.

Sigh.

[AZCat]

No, mentioning my age is an ad hom.

No, it is not. You continue to misunderstand the meaning of ad hominem. Please correct this.

[Revolutionary91]

No, it is not. You continue to misunderstand the meaning of ad hominem. Please correct this.

If its not being used as an ad hom then why bother saying it?

Anyway, you WILL stop doing it because I will keep reporting it and the moderators will act on it.

[AZCat]

If its not being used as an ad hom then why bother saying it?

:confused: I don't understand what you are saying here. Please clarify.

Anyway, you WILL stop doing it because I will keep reporting it and the moderators will act on it.

Fine, just realize that the moderators will make up their own minds - they don't operate at your whim.

[Civilized Worm]

I hope you appreciate that the rules apply to everyone here. Certain boards would have banned you simply for arguing an unpopular position.

[Calcas]

If its not being used as an ad hom then why bother saying it?

Anyway, you WILL stop doing it because I will keep reporting it and the moderators will act on it.

Ok, I'll bet you have reported it multiple times by now.

I don't see any "action" yet.

You see, that's exactly our point about your age. Does constant whining ever improve your grades?

[fortuneteller]

Anyway, you WILL stop doing it because I will keep reporting it and the moderators will act on it.Please don't and stop ordering the mods to do something because I really don't want to see a suspension or banning on my first day.

[Revolutionary91]

Where did I order the mods? The mod said earlier in the thread that things will happen if it continued.

[Mr. Skinny]

I'm going to defend Rev's opinion, in part.

While constant mention of his age, lack of driver's license, lack of life experience, etc. may not meet the classic definition of an ad hom, the overall result is to attempt to cast doubt on what he says in any thread simply due to these factors.

I believe his arguments should stand on their own. If his age goes directly to the argument (for instance, if he claims to have voted for Gore in the last election) then you can use his age to call him out as a liar.

Otherwise, we should let it alone.

If you feel the need to let someone know his age, PM them.

Bringing it up time after time doesn't seem productive, IMHO.

[fortuneteller]

Where did I order the mods? The mod said earlier in the thread that things will happen if it continued.That is the choice of the mods. You said that you will keep reporting and that they will act. You are saying they will act based on your reports. You also say you will keep reporting until they act. I am just giving some friendly advice. I don't want to argue.

[AZCat]

I'm going to defend Rev's opinion, in part.

While constant mention of his age, lack of driver's license, lack of life experience, etc. may not meet the classic definition of an ad hom, the overall result is to attempt to cast doubt on what he says in any thread simply due to these factors.

I believe his arguments should stand on their own. If his age goes directly to the argument (for instance, if he claims to have voted for Gore in the last election) then you can use his age to call him out as a liar.

Otherwise, we should let it alone.

If you feel the need to let someone know his age, PM them.

Bringing it up time after time doesn't seem productive, IMHO.

Fair enough. For what it's worth, I'd rather Rev be here (hopefully learning something) than other sites on the 'net.

[Sureshot]

And, welcome sureshot. Member since Feb and this is your second post. If you're the same sureshot from lcf I would be surprised to see you last 50 posts without self destructing here.

Because the guy over there is nuts.

I'm nuts?

Why thank you.

[Par]

Do you think comments ive recieved such as "one day you will get laid". and insinuations that i masturbate between posts are ok?



Yeah, sorry about that.

[Mr. Skinny]

Fair enough. For what it's worth, I'd rather Rev be here (hopefully learning something) than other sites on the 'net.
Agree. I think he can learn things here and perhaps post in some of the other forums. I think he would find the same kind of tough debate in the Religion or Science sub-forums as he finds here discussing CT's.

[Calcas]

I'm nuts?

Why thank you.

Well, to be fair, I said the guy who posts at lcf as "sureshot" is nuts.

If that's you, then you can take it for what it's worth.

Is that you?

[fortuneteller]

This thread is very telling. It's titled "What did you do? Before joining the forum".


We all know, our buddy Revolutionary91 is a 15 year old, and an administrator at the LCF. But it came up, that Sureshot is also 15, and an administrator. Not anything against 15 year olds, but they are moderators on a forum concentrating on a very complex and globally important issue.

Some comments:

Sureshot: "I was 9 when 9/11 happened, and back then I was a little dude that spent most of his time on playing video games and watching Lord of the Rings over and over ... Then about 4 years ago I stumbled upon Pentagon Strike and became obsessed about it."

Thehighwaymanq: "I was an uneducated, immature, in-the-dark adolescent who enjoyed playing sports, sometimes video games, watched way too much tv, wasn't informed and didn't care, did nothing remarkable with my life, and was nothing but a bore."

Revolutionary91 in reply to the above post: "I was the same except not into sports."

And so on..

This plays into every belief we have, seemingly right beliefs. Kids, bored, become obsessed with something they feel is very important. And Dylan takes full advantage of them. Some posters are older, of course. But the average age of admins is in the teens.

ref, It saddens me to see a person posing as intelligent expose himself by attempting to belittle our young people in other forums.

I know the person who started the thread "what were you doing" and I can tell by your use of that thread, several things.
1. you have no respect for our young people
2. you don't have a life
3. you lack ingenuity for finding subject matter
4 you have to venture into other forums to find a topic for discussion
and copy

very revealing, very sad indeed, for all you young people out there, pity him:)

[Papermache]

ref, It saddens me to see a person posing as intelligent expose himself by attempting to belittle our young people in other forums.

I know the person who started the thread "what were you doing" and I can tell by your use of that thread, several things.
1. you have no respect for our young people
2. you don't have a life
3. you lack ingenuity for finding subject matter
4 you have to venture into other forums to find a topic for discussion
and copy

very revealing, very sad indeed, for all you young people out there, pity him:)Ah, yes - how clever "you don't have a life." If you are trying to be insulting, at least put some effort into it.

[cloudshipsrule]

ref, It saddens me to see a person posing as intelligent expose himself by attempting to belittle our young people in other forums.

It's not sad, it's relevant. How many of these kids have any real experience in any scientific field? Yet they post with certainty that the events which occurred on 9/11 couldn't have happened the way they did. What experience tells them this?

Ideally, as individuals age, they learn more about the world around them. People with college backgrounds and real-world experience in technical fields try to explain basic principles of physics to these kids. This is the only good coming from the truth movement. Some kids are actually learning a little bit more about science and math.

[fortuneteller]

Ah, yes - how clever "you don't have a life." If you are trying to be insulting, at least put some effort into it.
get a life, and call me.

[T.A.M.]

I'm going to defend Rev's opinion, in part.

While constant mention of his age, lack of driver's license, lack of life experience, etc. may not meet the classic definition of an ad hom, the overall result is to attempt to cast doubt on what he says in any thread simply due to these factors.

I believe his arguments should stand on their own. If his age goes directly to the argument (for instance, if he claims to have voted for Gore in the last election) then you can use his age to call him out as a liar.

Otherwise, we should let it alone.

If you feel the need to let someone know his age, PM them.

Bringing it up time after time doesn't seem productive, IMHO.

It may not be productive, but the last 200 posts from Rev have been a model for "non-productivity".

As for whether mentioning his age is an ad hom...

If it is used to state that a point he has made is worthless because of his age, than it is an ad hom. However, to mention, as a general comment that the user lacks life experience, and the perspective that can provide, because of his age, then that is a valid comment, and I would have a MAJOR BONE to pick if a mod were to flag such as a violation.


ref, It saddens me to see a person posing as intelligent expose himself by attempting to belittle our young people in other forums.

I know the person who started the thread "what were you doing" and I can tell by your use of that thread, several things.
1. you have no respect for our young people
2. you don't have a life
3. you lack ingenuity for finding subject matter
4 you have to venture into other forums to find a topic for discussion
and copy

very revealing, very sad indeed, for all you young people out there, pity him:)

fortuneteller...

While attempting to make comment on Ref, who by all acounts is a mature, intelligent, diligent, kind, but HUMAN, person, you have yourself insulted him directly, which is a violation of the forum rules, and have yourself matronized him, with your tone and list of criticisms, which is the very thing you seem to be admonishing him for...

TAM:)

[fortuneteller]

It's not sad, it's relevant. How many of these kids have any real experience in any scientific field? Yet they post with certainty that the events which occurred on 9/11 couldn't have happened the way they did. What experience tells them this?

Ideally, as individuals age, they learn more about the world around them. People with college backgrounds and real-world experience in technical fields try to explain basic principles of physics to these kids. This is the only good coming from the truth movement. Some kids are actually learning a little bit more about science and math.

experience is no replacement for intelligence.

with age, individuals loose their cognitive abilities.

there is obviously something you can learn from young people.

[cloudshipsrule]

with age, individuals loose their cognitive abilities.

At what age would you say this begins? 20's? 30's?

experience is no replacement for intelligence.

True, but experience is an ingredient!

[T.A.M.]

I can honestly say, that if I were to look back at myself as a youth, there is NOTHING that my younger self could teach me of any real worth, with the possible exception of living life for the joy of it, and the freedom that comes with no financial burden...which I hope to one day enjoy again.

[T.A.M.]

experience is no replacement for intelligence.

with age, individuals loose their cognitive abilities.

there is obviously something you can learn from young people.

ok, take a WWII Vet, who was an officer in the armed forces, then after WWI was over, became a teacher....

Sit him next to a 16 year old straight A student...

Who will teach you more about life, how to handle things, how to "read" somebody, how to be appropriate in various settings...the list goes on.

TAM:)

[fortuneteller]

Who will teach you more about life, how to handle things, how to "read" somebody, how to be appropriate in various settings...the list goes on.

TAM:)

since when does the mass-murder of thousands have anything to do with
LIFE ?

eta - a suggestion was made that older persons have something more to teach our youth about 911, my god, they're living in the midst of our mistakes, if ANYTHING, we should apologizing to them.

[cloudshipsrule]

since when does the mass-murder of thousands have anything to do with

Hitler?

[JimBenArm]

get a life, and call me.
Sorry, this isn't a dating forum. If you need to hook up with someone, try another site.

[T.A.M.]

since when does the mass-murder of thousands have anything to do with
LIFE ?

so are you implying that our WWII Vets were guilty of mass murder? Is that what you think of all soldiers, who fought, and died for your country?

War can teach alot...it teaches comradery, it teaches discipline, it teaches the horrors of war, the horror of death. Plus I said he went on to be a teacher.

Are you honestly trying to argue that a 16 year old student has more to offer someone, in terms of teaching them about life, than a WWII veteran???

TAM:)

[T.A.M.]

since when does the mass-murder of thousands have anything to do with
LIFE ?

eta - a suggestion was made that older persons have something more to teach our youth about 911, my god, they're living in the midst of our mistakes, if ANYTHING, we should apologizing to them.

I agree, and as the generations go on, the more disgusted our seniors should be.

I am not anti youth...I see alot of good come out of the minds of the young, but your suggestion that a youth has more to teach us about 9/11 than a senior simply does not add up to me.

TAM:)

[Calcas]

If "sureshot" is indeed a teen, then I owe him an apology.

I think I confused him with someone else at lcf.

So, consider this a formal apology to "sureshot."

I hope your stay here is rewarding for both you and us.

[fortuneteller]

I agree, and as the generations go on, the more disgusted our seniors should be.

I am not anti youth...I see alot of good come out of the minds of the young, but your suggestion that a youth has more to teach us about 9/11 than a senior simply does not add up to me.

TAM:)

In reality, our youth should be disgusted with us for allowing forces to destroy the world they have inherited. as stewards, we have essentially
created a holy mess

everything our soldiers died for during the last century seemingly has been in vain, because we have allowed criminals to rob us of the very thing they gave their lives to preserve

[T.A.M.]

I have not blamed the youth for todays problems, but neither will I give them credit they have not earned...

Their future, and what they will make of it, has yet to be seen...and I will be an older man when they get their chance.

TAM:)

Oh and incidently, I am proud as a Canadian, to pass on my country in the state it is in, to the next generation....

TAM:)

[fortuneteller]

I have not blamed the youth for todays problems, but neither will I give them credit they have not earned...

Their future, and what they will make of it, has yet to be seen...and I will be an older man when they get their chance.

TAM:)

we are to blame for today's problems.
you should give them credit for putting up with us.
we made their future what it is, they have no future, thanks to us
they may never GET a chance

[T.A.M.]

we are to blame for today's problems.
you should give them credit for putting up with us.
we made their future what it is, they have no future, thanks to us
they may never GET a chance

That is a very pesimistic view of things. As a 36 year old, I do not see how my generation has destroyed anything for todays youth.

Why don't you be more specific in your accusations, in terms of what you feel the adults of today have ruined for youth, and how they have done so.

Also, I am not going to give children credit for "putting up" with their elders and/or parents.

TAM:)

[cloudshipsrule]

we made their future what it is, they have no future, thanks to us


If you don't mind me asking, how old are you?

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Check out my attachment! LOL! :D

I just made this picture! Anyone like it?

[T.A.M.]

on that funny note (these photos make my day), I bid you...goodnight.

TAM:)

[strathmeyer]

Look at what some sad JREFer has been up to:

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=13487

Pretending to be a child and actually using childrens pictures to represent themselves.


You do not have permission to view this topic

Great, another site I have been pre-banned from. How am I supposed to take such people seriously?

[LashL]

experience is no replacement for intelligence.

with age, individuals loose their cognitive abilities.

there is obviously something you can learn from young people.

Intelligent people know how to spell "lose" correctly, and also know how to use capitalization and punctuation.

Despite my pedantic nature, I usually avoid correcting others on spelling, grammar, punctuation, etc., but when one tries to score points by insinuating that one has superior intelligence while simultaneously making multiple simplistic errors (such as you have done above), I consider it fair game.

[Alex C]

When I was 15, I would have probably been on the side of the Truthers too. I bet many people here would be as well.

From what I've seen, the typical truther isn't crazy; they're just at that phase in life where they think they know it all... And they'll most likely grow out of it as most people do.

I'm 17, and a few years ago I believed it. It was Screw Loose Change that got me out. It was the first time I'd seen an explanation so I let my ego go and accepted I was wrong.

[LashL]

Great, another site I have been pre-banned from. How am I supposed to take such people seriously?

The Forum of Losers (aka LCF) and the vast majority of its participants are not to be taken seriously.

In any event, the thread was probably deleted, and it probably had nothing at all to do with any member of the JREF forum. The Forum of Losers regularly and wrongly attributes anything and everything to participants on this forum as an excuse for the fact that it attracts so many nutcases.

[ref]

ref, It saddens me to see a person posing as intelligent expose himself by attempting to belittle our young people in other forums.

I know the person who started the thread "what were you doing" and I can tell by your use of that thread, several things.
1. you have no respect for our young people
2. you don't have a life
3. you lack ingenuity for finding subject matter
4 you have to venture into other forums to find a topic for discussion
and copy

very revealing, very sad indeed, for all you young people out there, pity him:)

Others have already made my point, so I don't have to anymore. I think you know nothing about my life, so that is one weird post.

You don't have to agree with every post or thread I make. Bybye.

[Brainache]

we are to blame for today's problems.
you should give them credit for putting up with us.
we made their future what it is, they have no future, thanks to us
they may never GET a chance

Not my generation.
I blame my parents. They grew up in the forties. It's all their fault.
Or maybe their parents. They grew up in the teens.
Or maybe it was that wretched bunch from the 1860s...

[Sureshot]

Well, to be fair, I said the guy who posts at lcf as "sureshot" is nuts.

If that's you, then you can take it for what it's worth.

Is that you?

Yes, its really me, Sureshot, the teen admin at Loose Change.

So tell me; what makes me nuts?

[Calcas]

Yes, its really me, Sureshot, the teen admin at Loose Change.

So tell me; what makes me nuts?

See post #178.

[JimBenArm]

Yes, its really me, Sureshot.

You see, we don't like to impersonate other people, unlike some people on this board.

So tell me; what makes me nuts?
I like to impersonate other people. I do a mean Swedish Chef (from the Muppets). Also not too bad at Kermit, either! I know that, technically, they aren't people, but close enough!

What makes you nuts? Well, normally I'm not one to point out others flaws...
Wait a minute, yes I am! What am I saying?

Basically, it boils down to you believing in a complicated conspiracy involving huge numbers of individuals to explain what happened on 9/11, instead of believing the evidence that is right in front of your face. It's believing that these people would not come forward and expose the conspiracy, thinking them to be shallow, venal beings without any honor.

That's what does it for me. Others might have a different take.

[Darat]

I've been looking through numerous reports from this thread since jmercer's warning and whilst there have been some appropriate and OK posts (for this Forum section) most of it has been, well the only word to describe it is puerile.

This is the last warning for all participants - if you continue to discuss matters in a way that breaches your Membership Agreement or off-topic for this Forum section or attack other Members rather than their claims you will be suspended from this section for at least 48 hours. There will be no further warnings and there is no appeal.

[scooby]

Also, he has been banned from loose change. Lets see how the dvd and blog comes along. He appeared from nowhere with a trailer, forum, blog and "production" team all in place. He appeared the same day as this thread and he has trolled LC ever since representing every stereotype the Jrefers talk about.

This is a very accurate description.
The correlations are clear.

[beachnut]

Look at what some sad JREFer has been up to:

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=13487

Pretending to be a child and actually using childrens pictures to represent themselves.
Is that you posting again as someone else? You are a JREFer now. Why are all the good posts at LCF disappeared? (posts always go away at truth sites, why?)

How do you guys at LCF make stuff go away? The best posts have been sent to the bit bucket at LCF. Dylan is such a open minded dictator. Like a pied piper spewing lies and leading the facts less minority on a journey of misinformation.

[joe911]

right, lets get one thing straight, i AM 13, and i diddnt know what a jerfer was, untill 3 days ago
so, anyone else wanna question my age, i mean, ive heard you lot say, im using pictures of a kid, to pose of a kid, that picture is me,want more proof?
im here in the flesh, so feel free, oh and by the way, what u got against my uncle and grandad?

[ref]

oh and by the way, what u got against my uncle and grandad?

What do you mean by that?

[joe911]

(Although it looks a bit dicey for the one kid since his grandfather and uncle are also delusional.)

thats what i mean

[ref]

thats what i mean

Ok. Never heard of them, or you.

[Calcas]

right, lets get one thing straight, i AM 13, and i diddnt know what a jerfer was, untill 3 days ago
so, anyone else wanna question my age, i mean, ive heard you lot say, im using pictures of a kid, to pose of a kid, that picture is me,want more proof?
im here in the flesh, so feel free, oh and by the way, what u got against my uncle and grandad?

Welcome. It seems Rev91 was the admin that had you banned at lcf either because he didn't believe you were also a teen or he accused you of being a JREF'er. At least that's what his posts about you over there seemed to indicate. Perhaps you should ask him.

What questions do you have about 9-11? We're always happy to help educate here. I suggest you start a new thread and let this one die...

[krítique]

right, lets get one thing straight, i AM 13, and i diddnt know what a jerfer was, untill 3 days ago
so, anyone else wanna question my age, i mean, ive heard you lot say, im using pictures of a kid, to pose of a kid, that picture is me,want more proof?
im here in the flesh, so feel free, oh and by the way, what u got against my uncle and grandad?I'm afraid you're pointing the finger in the wrong direction. It was a member of the Loose Change Forums who created a thread making all kinds of accusations about you, then Revolutionary91 (an admin at LCF) made a post in this thread mirroring these accusations, stating that "some sad JREFer" had been "pretending to be a child and actually using childrens pictures to represent themselves." It was then another LCF admin, I believe, who took it upon themselves to ban you from their forum entirely.

Not a single skeptic here at JREF made any such accusations about you or your identity. I personally think it quite clear, judging by the photos and the personal information you have provided, that there is no doubt whatsoever about your identity. Revolutionary91, on the other hand, since continued to state that you were "100% jrefer," claimed you would be "traced" and one one occasion referred to you as a "sick pervert" in the belief that you were simply a creation of one of the members here.

[Brainache]

I'm afraid you're pointing the finger in the wrong direction. It was a member of the Loose Change Forums who created a thread making all kinds of accusations about you, then Revolutionary91 (an admin at LCF) made a post in this thread mirroring these accusations, stating that "some sad JREFer" had been "pretending to be a child and actually using childrens pictures to represent themselves." It was then another LCF admin, I believe, who took it upon themselves to ban you from their forum entirely.

Not a single skeptic here at JREF made any such accusations about you or your identity. I personally think it quite clear, judging by the photos and the personal information you have provided, that there is no doubt whatsoever about your identity. Revolutionary91, on the other hand, since continued to state that you were "100% jrefer," claimed you would be "traced" and one one occasion referred to you as a "sick pervert" in the belief that you were simply a creation of one of the members here.

Why does none of this surprise me? It may not be true and I can't be bothered to check, but it does ring true.

So Rev91: Is this what happened?
Have you been bullying the younger kids in the LC playground?
Did you take his lunch money and throw his books onto the library roof as well?

[~enigma~]

right, lets get one thing straight, i AM 13, and i diddnt know what a jerfer was, untill 3 days ago
so, anyone else wanna question my age, i mean, ive heard you lot say, im using pictures of a kid, to pose of a kid, that picture is me,want more proof?
im here in the flesh, so feel free, oh and by the way, what u got against my uncle and grandad?
Am I correct in you being joe011 who was kicked of LCF? You posted here the other day as joe911. Didn't you read the membersip agreement when you signed up. According to the rules only 1 account is allowed. Seems you made a big mistake :)

[Brainache]

Am I correct in you being joe011 who was kicked of LCF? You posted here the other day as joe911. Didn't you read the membersip agreement when you signed up. According to the rules only 1 account is allowed. Seems you made a big mistake :)

Surely if it was an honest mistake and not some lame attempt at sock puppetry the admins could fix the problem and make sure the youngster is now aware of the rules?

I'd hate to see someone banned for something like that.

[~enigma~]

Surely if it was an honest mistake and not some lame attempt at sock puppetry the admins could fix the problem and make sure the youngster is now aware of the rules?

I'd hate to see someone banned for something like that.
He agreed to the rules just like we all did when we registered. What bothered me is he came in here like gangbusters "screaming" some ridiculous bologna.

[T.A.M.]

well that is probably because HE IS 13!!

TAM;)

[~enigma~]

well that is probably because HE IS 13!!

TAM;)
T.A.M., no ageism :)

I never said I know thios is joe911 but some posters here seem to think so.

If anybody wants to see his original thread, it is over in AAH but here is the link...

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=89646

[T.A.M.]

I thought you were referring to his pronouncement in this thread, when referring to his "bologna" posting...

TAM:)

[Brainache]

T.A.M., no ageism :)

I never said I know thios is joe911 but some posters here seem to think so.

If anybody wants to see his original thread, it is over in AAH but here is the link...

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=89646

All I see on that thread is someone telling teh Jerfers that he was banned at LCF. Was he not banned? Coz Rev then comes along, confirms that he was banned and accuses the kid of not being who he says he is.

So I don't understand where all your hostility is coming from Enigma.

[qarnos]

Why does none of this surprise me? It may not be true and I can't be bothered to check, but it does ring true.

So Rev91: Is this what happened?
Have you been bullying the younger kids in the LC playground?
Did you take his lunch money and throw his books onto the library roof as well?

Oh, man, I'm confused. So was this LCF kid for real? I thought it was someone taking the piss but it can be hard to tell with truthers.

[~enigma~]

All I see on that thread is someone telling teh Jerfers that he was banned at LCF. Was he not banned? Coz Rev then comes along, confirms that he was banned and accuses the kid of not being who he says he is.

So I don't understand where all your hostility is coming from Enigma.
Did you read his post here?

Originally Posted by jordan AGED 13 http://forums.randi.org/helloworld2/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=2860505#post2860505)
right, lets get one thing straight, i AM 13, and i diddnt know what a jerfer was, untill 3 days ago
so, anyone else wanna question my age, i mean, ive heard you lot say, im using pictures of a kid, to pose of a kid, that picture is me,want more proof?
im here in the flesh, so feel free, oh and by the way, what u got against my uncle and grandad?

So what is with the hostility crack?

[qarnos]

T.A.M., no ageism :)

I never said I know thios is joe911 but some posters here seem to think so.

If anybody wants to see his original thread, it is over in AAH but here is the link...

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=89646

I'm going to put my conspiracy hat on - reading his first post again, it seems he had a good understanding of how to get around the link filter when you have less than 15 posts. Perhaps he had used this forum before?

Conspiracy hat off.

[Brainache]

Did you read his post here?


So what is with the hostility crack?

I read it. He is a thirteen year old who was accused (by Rev91) of not being who he said he was.

You said you were referring to the thread in AAH and said he came in here "screaming" I see no screaming in the AAH thread.

All I see in this thread is a bit of a misunderstanding over who said what.

And I still don't understand why you are so hostile. It was not a crack, just a statement of my lack of understanding of your hostile attitude towards just about everyone.

You can explain it if you want.

Or not, and I will remain in a state of non-comprehension of your attitude.

[~enigma~]

I read it. He is a thirteen year old who was accused (by Rev91) of not being who he said he was.

You said you were referring to the thread in AAH and said he came in here "screaming" I see no screaming in the AAH thread.

All I see in this thread is a bit of a misunderstanding over who said what.

And I still don't understand why you are so hostile. It was not a crack, just a statement of my lack of understanding of your hostile attitude towards just about everyone.

You can explain it if you want.

Or not, and I will remain in a state of non-comprehension of your attitude.
The screaming was in reference to the post here which we still have no idea what he meant by his uncle. Now if you don't see the problem, that is not my fault but to stupidly act like a damn psychologist...well...welcome to ignore :)

[T.A.M.]

Peace my friends, peace...

TAM:)

[Brainache]

The screaming was in reference to the post here which we still have no idea what he meant by his uncle. Now if you don't see the problem, that is not my fault but to stupidly act like a damn psychologist...well...welcome to ignore :)

OK don't explain then. I will remain ignorant of the reasons for your hostility.

Someone did post that his Uncle and his Grandad were nutjobs as well or something, not sure who.

I'm not interested in fighting over something as meaningless as whether or not a certain 13 year old got banned from LCF. So I'll leave it at that.

[R.Mackey]

Geez, you guys.

It isn't our duty to police the Loose Change kinderhaus. As if that would be possible without tasers and multibarrel Ritalin cannons.

To jordan, welcome. If anyone here gives you a hard time, you can appeal to the moderators. The little caution triangle in the lower left of each post can be used to alert them if anyone treats you in an abusive or threatening manner, though a little friendly rough-housing is to be expected.

As for your troubles at "Loose Change", we really can't comment. I'd recommend you simply steer clear of the place if it's been causing you problems. I believe you'll find in time that you haven't missed anything.

[~enigma~]

Geez, you guys.

It isn't our duty to police the Loose Change kinderhaus. As if that would be possible without tasers and multibarrel Ritalin cannons.

To jordan, welcome. If anyone here gives you a hard time, you can appeal to the moderators. The little caution triangle in the lower left of each post can be used to alert them if anyone treats you in an abusive or threatening manner, though a little friendly rough-housing is to be expected.

As for your troubles at "Loose Change", we really can't comment. I'd recommend you simply steer clear of the place if it's been causing you problems. I believe you'll find in time that you haven't missed anything.Nobody is policing him. I even said I don't know if he is joe911 or the replies he got were wrong but IF he is joe911 he already has a membership here and we are not allowed more than one according to the rules. Why does everybody posting now have a problem with that?

[Revolutionary91]

http://images.jupiterimages.com/common/detail/81/55/23325581.jpg

[T.A.M.]

I do not have a problem with it persay. However, if he did so inadvertantly, or hastily, as he was upset (although it seems misunderstanding what happened resulted in this), than perhaps a warning, and letting him pick which Username he would like, would be more appropriate than banning...but heh, i am not a mod...

TAM:)

[~enigma~]

http://images.jupiterimages.com/common/detail/81/55/23325581.jpg
Cute pic...wonder where I saw it before :)

[qarnos]

OK don't explain then. I will remain ignorant of the reasons for your hostility.

Someone did post that his Uncle and his Grandad were nutjobs as well or something, not sure who.

I'm not interested in fighting over something as meaningless as whether or not a certain 13 year old got banned from LCF. So I'll leave it at that.

They probably got it from his blog (http://telltheworld911.blogspot.com/).

Seriously, guys. I highly doubt this kid is for real.

[LashL]

Someone did post that his Uncle and his Grandad were nutjobs as well or something, not sure who.



That was me, although I said "delusional", not "nutjobs", nor "as well", and the context is missing.

Here is the context:

http://forums.randi.org/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=2861606
(http://forums.randi.org/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=2861606)


Oh God, this is just so depressing:

http://telltheworld911.blogspot.com/


Sad, but on the up side, they might, just might, grow out of it.

(Although it looks a bit dicey for the one kid since his grandfather and uncle are also delusional.)


If you visit the blog in question, it shows the LCF lad's grandfather and uncle and cites them as "The Rest Of The Team" without whom "None Of This Would Have Been Possible". I take that to mean that the grandfather and the uncle are also conspiracy fantasists, and that they have, sadly, encouraged the young boy in the pursuit of woo rather than encouraging him to pursue development of critical thinking skills.

There is nothing in my post that offends the Membership Agreement. Particularly since the lad was not a member here at the time that post was written back on July 21.

[Brainache]

That was me, although I said "delusional", not "nutjobs", nor "as well", and the context is missing.

Here is the context:

http://forums.randi.org/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=2861606
(http://forums.randi.org/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=2861606)



If you visit the blog in question, it shows the LCF lad's grandfather and uncle and cites them as "The Rest Of The Team" without whom "None Of This Would Have Been Possible". I take that to mean that the grandfather and the uncle are also conspiracy fantasists.

There is nothing in my post that offends the Membership Agreement. Particularly since the lad was not a member here at the time that post was written back on July 21.

Thanks for clearing that up LashL. I knew I read something like that somewhere. Sorry if I misrepresented you, it was unintentional.

And BTW Happy Birthday R. Mackey!

[R.Mackey]

And BTW Happy Birthday R. Mackey!

Hey now, no personal attacks about my age, or I'll have you reported.

Sheesh, I'd almost forgotten... Thanks! Glad to still be here. :D

Come on by this weekend, I'll be grilling.

[jhunter1163]

As my late father would have said, every day above ground is a good day.

Happy birthday R. Mackey, and thank you for your contributions on behalf of rationality.

[~enigma~]

Hey now, no personal attacks about my age, or I'll have you reported.

Sheesh, I'd almost forgotten... Thanks! Glad to still be here. :D

Come on by this weekend, I'll be grilling.
Damn time zone...you still gotta wait 12 minutes before I say happy birthday young guy...

[qarnos]

Come on by this weekend, I'll be grilling.

Thanks, but I'd rather have chicken. :D

Happy Birthday!

[A W Smith]

Joe started 35 threads since July 19th. Most were jrefer arguments or stereotypes. He is 100% jrefer and will be traced.


And tracing his IP address will tell you what? You wont know if that ip address visits here.

[LashL]

Thanks for clearing that up LashL. I knew I read something like that somewhere. Sorry if I misrepresented you, it was unintentional.

No worries in the least, Brainache. I know that you wouldn't intentionally misrepresent a post, and no apology is necessary at all.

And BTW Happy Birthday R. Mackey!

Yes, indeed.

Happy birthday, R. Mackey!

:hbd: :bcake: :wave1 :bcake: :hbd:

[~enigma~]

Joe started 35 threads since July 19th. Most were jrefer arguments or stereotypes. He is 100% jrefer and will be traced.
Just don't let Lucus trace the IP :)

[~enigma~]

If you didn't have that gun in your avatar, I would say happy birthday old man...but since you do, just happy birthday :)

[A W Smith]

experience is no replacement for intelligence.

with age, individuals loose their cognitive abilities.

there is obviously something you can learn from young people.

maybe you have but i haven't lost my cognitive abilities. I'm sharper today then I have ever been. Experience enhances intelligence simply because neural connections are modified by experience (http://www.leaderstrength.com/files/ScienceStrength1.pdf).
since when does the mass-murder of thousands have anything to do with
LIFE ?

You must be quite young. Maybe you should visit Washington DC and tour the monuments to learn what people like my father rest his soul fought for.

eta - a suggestion was made that older persons have something more to teach our youth about 911, my god, they're living in the midst of our mistakes, if ANYTHING, we should apologizing to them.

we should? youth of today live with more freedom, more assets, more potential, More creature comforts, more technology, more travel options, ummm the Internet thanks to DARPA, heck more of everything! than me or my parents ever did. Kids should sit down with their grandparents and ask what life has taught them. I guarantee you the conversation will be endless and more entertaining than any on-line role playing game or TV reality show.

In reality, our youth should be disgusted with us for allowing forces to destroy the world they have inherited. as stewards, we have essentially
created a holy mess

everything our soldiers died for during the last century seemingly has been in vain, because we have allowed criminals to rob us of the very thing they gave their lives to preserve

well now you just outed yourself as some spoiled princess child. Could you be more specific to what you have lost? Was it the ability of groups of five to peacefully assemble at any Simon mall (http://www.simon.com/about_simon/pm/security_services.aspx)? cant skateboard on the public sidewalks? did you get a sunburn from the depleted ozone layer caused by driving around in the Lexus that we provided for you?
we are to blame for today's problems.
you should give them credit for putting up with us.
we made their future what it is, they have no future, thanks to us
they may never GET a chance

be thankful you didn't live in the dark ages before there were sewers and people threw their sewage out the window for what? 524 years with no progress? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Ages)they have more of a chance than any human generation had in the history of the world. In the coming half century we wont even need fossil fuels. there is developing technology for offshore tidal energy (http://wwwphys.murdoch.edu.au/rise/reslab/resfiles/tidal/text.html)harnessing to provide an overabundance of energy and jobs. why they even have these things that look like a link of hot dogs or logs that rest on the waves and harness energy from hydraulic motors at their hinges. Is that amazing or what? The future is so damn exciting I wish I was young again to live long enough to witness it. heres another thing. air pollution. back in the seventies when i got my drivers license the highways were filled with the rich exhaust mixture of the carburated cars around you.You just accepted it. Today? With the computer controlled electronic fuel injection what do i notice? I'm in traffic and who the hell is a couple of cars in front of me or along side me smoking a damn cigarette. And if youth of today are so bright why is it with what we all know today about cancer and smoking kids pick up the habit in the first place? yes the future looks great and i ain't apologizing to NO body. least of all some snot nosed kid who wants an apology who hasn't lived the 52 years I have and seen it all.

GTFU

And another thing
Happy birthday, R. Mackey!

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back in the day we couldnt copy and past somone elses birthday graphics into out message!

[joe911]

If you visit the blog in question, it shows the LCF lad's grandfather and uncle and cites them as "The Rest Of The Team" without whom "None Of This Would Have Been Possible". I take that to mean that the grandfather and the uncle are also conspiracy fantasists, and that they have, sadly, encouraged the young boy in the pursuit of woo rather than encouraging him to pursue development of critical thinking skills.

well thats where your wrong, I was the one who first started the 9/11 thing off with them, i meant none of this would have ben possible without them, because there the ones who first taught me all i know about computers.
yes in answer to your question, i am joe911, i diddnt know you wernet allowed 2 accounts, my first account has been deleted by request, so i only got 1.
rev91, he is a friend of mine, from loose change, the rev91 here is a different person completely, he diddnt ban me, it was lin kuie.
thanks for the welcom and ill be posting here a lot so hello to everybody :)

[joe911]

Just don't let Lucus trace the IP :)

dont bother lucus, i allready tried, youll just get where i got, a little marker in the middle of the humber. i dont see why you feel you have to trace me, im here in the flesh, ill answer all the questions you have, tracing 13 year old boys is just wrong. i came here to stop the which hunt as you call it, so call off your people, im here now.

[joe911]

And tracing his IP address will tell you what? You wont know if that ip address visits here.

im joe911 from lcf, listen, i got ip scrambling software, i dont use it, but if you continue on being persistant, il just turn it on, im here in the flesh, joe911, from lcf, jordan ryan, from the blog, and jordan AGED 13 from here

[ref]

rev91, he is a friend of mine, from loose change, the rev91 here is a different person completely, he diddnt ban me, it was lin kuie.
thanks for the welcom and ill be posting here a lot so hello to everybody :)

You mean, the Revolutionary91 we have here, wouldn't be the Revolutionary91 from Loose Change Forum?

[joe911]

Revolutionary91, on the other hand, since continued to state that you were "100% jrefer," claimed you would be "traced" and one one occasion referred to you as a "sick pervert" in the belief that you were simply a creation of one of the members here.


the rev91 here, is a different person alltogether from the lcf, i know the lcf rev91, hes a friend of mine

[krítique]

dont bother lucus, i allready tried, youll just get where i got, a little marker in the middle of the humber. i dont see why you feel you have to trace me, im here in the flesh, ill answer all the questions you have, tracing 13 year old boys is just wrong. i came here to stop the which hunt as you call it, so call off your people, im here now.Well, if you came to stop a witch hunt, you've arrived at the wrong place. The witch hunt was at LCF, and only spilled over here when Rev91 stumbled in to throw a few premature accusations around.

[ref]

the rev91 here, is a different person alltogether from the lcf, i know the lcf rev91, hes a friend of mine

Well that would be a strange turn of events.

[joe911]

its true, i talk with him on msn, and he said the rev91 account here, he gave to a fellow truther, well before i showed up, the lcf rev's got an account here, but he hasnt posted here for a while

[ref]

its true, i talk with him on msn, and he said the rev91 account here, he gave to a fellow truther, well before i showed up, the lcf rev's got an account here, but he hasnt posted here for a while

So who would our Rev91 be then, according to him/you?

[joe911]

So who would our Rev91 be then, according to him/you?

its a fellow truther, according to lcf rev, and i beleive him, the lcf rev is my friend, wouldnt say all that stuff about me and then talk as buddys on msn would he, knowing full well id been banned from lcf for been a suspected jerfer, knowing id soon come to find out what a jerfer was, you see where im going with this

[volatile]

you see where im going with this

...not really, to be honest.

If you're friends with the "real" Rev911, why would you be banned from LCF? He's a mod, and could verify your identity in a second if what you claim is true.

[joe911]

he wasnt the one who banned me, my point was, he wouldnt talk to me, if he thaught i was a jerm now would he, ill ask him to post here when hes next online, heel set the whole thing straight

[joe911]

crap, ive been banned 3 times now from the lcf, im running out of aliases now, i often use 3 names, joe911, 0898joe, and fox_mulder, and im running out, any suggestions?

[volatile]

he wasnt the one who banned me, my point was, he wouldnt talk to me, if he thaught i was a jerm now would he, ill ask him to post here when hes next online, heel set the whole thing straight

I really don't follow. That might be your spelling, I'm not sure. In any case - IF you're friends with the Rev911 who's a mod at LCF, you wouldn't be banned. If there was any dispute over your identity, as you claim, he would have been able to confirm you are who you say you are.

Furthermore, why would "our" Rev911 have come over here to carp about your banning if *he* was a friend of the "real" Rev? Either a) they're the same person and you're lying, or b) the "real" Rev told "our" Rev about your banning, in which case you're also lying.

[volatile]

crap, ive been banned 3 times now from the lcf, im running out of aliases now, i often use 3 names, joe911, 0898joe, and fox_mulder, and im running out, any suggestions?

Are you the Joe911 who recently registered here? If so, then you've broken the membership agreement not to have more than one account. I'm sure it's an innocent mistake, but I'd contact Darat by PM to tell him to close one or the other.

[joe911]

dont worry, i allready did, he closed the other one for me last week
i am just a kid, we make mistakes, the membership agreement is pretty long, we tend to just tick the box