V.I.P.S. on “Coast to Coast”

[MaGZ]

I just heard a bit of the overnight radio program "Coast to Coast." On the program were members of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS) featuring Ray McGovern, Colleen Rowley, and Michael German. Some of the discussion was on 9/11 and the anthrax case. Did others here catch the program this morning?

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2007/07/21.html

[Devil's Advocate]

I just heard a bit of the overnight radio program "Coast to Coast." On the program were members of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS) featuring Ray McGovern, Colleen Rowley, and Michael German. Some of the discussion was on 9/11 and the anthrax case. Did others here catch the program this morning?

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2007/07/21.html

No, I have never heard of that show. But Ray McGovern, there is a man that knows a secret or two.
;)

[Liszt]

Ray McGovern is a fantastic man. What did he say about the anthrax case?

The best analyis of the anthrax stuff was in a book written by Len Bracken a few years ago (911 & State Terror)

[T.A.M.]

Colin Powell is a fantastic man, what does he say about the 9/11 attacks.

Barack Obama is a fantastic man, what does he say?

John McCain is a war hero, and a fantastic man, what does he say?

Come on...

TAM:)

[Liszt]

Colin Powell is a fantastic man, what does he say about the 9/11 attacks.

Barack Obama is a fantastic man, what does he say?

John McCain is a war hero, and a fantastic man, what does he say?

Come on...

TAM:)

I don´t know what McGovern has said about the anthrax attacks - it really was a question, rather than a statement :)

and i heard John McCain´s joke, singing "bomb iran" to some cheering hawks. He is not a good man any longer.

[T.A.M.]

McGovern is LIHOP...


He is one of 100 signatories to a petition "which calls for immediate public attention to unanswered questions that suggest that people within the current administration may indeed have deliberately allowed 9/11 to happen, perhaps as a pretext for war."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_McGovern

TAM:)

[MaGZ]

Ray McGovern is a fantastic man. What did he say about the anthrax case?

The best analyis of the anthrax stuff was in a book written by Len Bracken a few years ago (911 & State Terror)

I listened to only the last hour of the program.

Colleen Rowley was the one who commented on the anthrax case saying Ms. Townsend (with Homeland Defense) was asked a question about the case last week and essentially laughed the question off saying "of course" it is an ongoing investigation. Apparently Rowley questions why more progress has not been made in the anthrax case.

What is the take on the Len Bracken book? I have read three books on the case; that one I missed.

Ray McGovern mentioned Norman Menetta witnessing the young man giving Cheney a warning about the oncoming plane. It was disturbing to realize that McGovern seemed to be thinking that Cheney was permitting the plane to hit the Pentagon–at least that was the way I interpreted McGovern’s response to the caller’s 9/11 question.

[Liszt]

It´s worth checking out Ry Dawson´s page on this

http://www.rys2sense.com/anti-neocons/viewtopic.php?t=1388&highlight=anthrax (search on page for anthrax). I see you made 2 posts on that site, with some not too popular 911 theory ;)


Bracken´s book was written in 2002 (I think I got it in 2003) and points to a CIA job (he looks at the odd people chosen as targets, and the origins of the strain)

Most people will not have heard of Len Bracken. Before 911, there was a bunch of CTists, very good ones, who have been ignored since the WTC attack. This list includes Kenn Thomas, Jim Keith (R.I.P.), Alex Constantine, Adam Parfrey, Rob Sterling and others. Kieth was a fine writer on social engineering (he was murdered, along with his publisher Ron Bonds, in 2001). Much stuff was focused in the magazine Steamshovel Press.

After 911, a whole new bunch of CTists seemed to pop up, and replaced the "old guard". How did that happen?

[T.A.M.]

is there any such thing as a good CTist???

TAM;)

[Liszt]

is there any such thing as a good CTist???

TAM;)

if you rewind about 8 years, you´d find most people here would have a lot in common with CTists.

Take Greg Bishop´s Excluded Middle (whassat?). 10 magazines are available in the 2000 compilation A4, 400 page "Wake Up Down There", which essentially disects crap about UFOs and other conspiracies, while pointing out the real life spy v spy wars.
Or Russ Kick´s massive "everything you know is wrong" and "you are being lied to", which include heavy political and social issues from all over the political spectrum.

This is what CTists should be like - placing events into parapolitical context. It just isn´t done any more, not by the Alex Jones generation, anyway. It was the death (metaphorically, and unfortunately in some cases, physically) of this group of intelligent skeptics (yes, they were called skeptics) that made me want to write a book about this whole mess.