Jesus did not sacrifice himself and was not tempted!

[The Grave]

It always seems to me a little pathetic when a faither exclaims:"jesus, our lord, sacrificed his life for us and never succumbed to the temptation of the devil."

Here's why:-


If jesus was a god (by being a son-of-a-god) then he was (is) by definition, immortal; eternal. Therefore he did not 'die' on the cross; he can not die and hence did not sacrifice a god-damn thing.
If he was a mere man but yet had 'intimate' dealings with these "supers", then he was 'in-the-know' and again is not sacrificing anything he would think of as being very worthy (i.e. his life). In fact this is an excellent illustration of the constant and horrific contempt that all faithers express in their loathing for Human life; hence, giving rise to religious terrorists.
Following on from 1 & 2. When 'tempted' by satan, we are expected to swallow the pathetic idea that jesus was "tempted" by the chance of having, what, the world (Earth), compared to what (his deal with god) the Universe. Oh yeh! That's a hard on to choose between!
If jesus was a ''son-of-a-god'' then how the hell could he be tempted by the lesser gambit? Totally absurd!
And before any bright spark thinks themselves into a sweat.... No I do not want any questions answered, thanks, Know-it-All!

Griff... The above is a simple proof of the delusional farce of believing in jesus, the man or the myth, as a saviour.

Shoot me down; just try!

[Fnord]

Wow! As of the time of this post, the split is 50/50 between a solid NO and a solid YES:

100% NO. He was on the winning side all along! http://forums.randi.org/helloworld2/polls/bar2-l.gifhttp://forums.randi.org/helloworld2/polls/bar2.gifhttp://forums.randi.org/helloworld2/polls/bar2-r.gif 1 (http://forums.randi.org/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=60494)50.00%75% Well he did suffer a bit of slapping. http://forums.randi.org/helloworld2/polls/bar3-l.gifhttp://forums.randi.org/helloworld2/polls/bar3.gifhttp://forums.randi.org/helloworld2/polls/bar3-r.gif 00%50% Oh yeh, that's what I was taught, so it must be a little true. Isn't it? http://forums.randi.org/helloworld2/polls/bar4-l.gifhttp://forums.randi.org/helloworld2/polls/bar4.gifhttp://forums.randi.org/helloworld2/polls/bar4-r.gif 00%25% We want it to be true; to sell bibles. God-bless! http://forums.randi.org/helloworld2/polls/bar5-l.gifhttp://forums.randi.org/helloworld2/polls/bar5.gifhttp://forums.randi.org/helloworld2/polls/bar5-r.gif 00%0% Yes! Praise be! I believe! What HE did was real dread, man! http://forums.randi.org/helloworld2/polls/bar6-l.gifhttp://forums.randi.org/helloworld2/polls/bar6.gifhttp://forums.randi.org/helloworld2/polls/bar6-r.gif 1 (http://forums.randi.org/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=60494)50.00%

Too bad there was no "Planet X" option.

[The Grave]

Pass me your ganga maan....

[Dorian Gray]

He pretended to kill himself to save his creatures from his hell.

[EeneyMinnieMoe]

He, if it's any help, years ago my Sunday school teacher told the class in one lesson that Jesus didn't want to die but chose to do so anyway even though he would have much preferred not to. He had a choice, though.

I also remember something in that lesson about Jesus praying to God to not to be sacrificed. Or asking not to be. Or maybe the teacher was saying that he didn't pray even though he could have.

[Slimething]

I couldn't pick any of the options in good conscience. I don't believe the piker ever existed. Perhaps modeled after a person or persons who did exist but, no, I don't think the biblical version ever walked the Earth.

[Zep]

Erm...... What was the question again?

[arthwollipot]

Where's the "jesus never existed" option?

[Damien Evans]

Or the bible is a work of fiction option?

[Snap]

I'm such a wimp. I gave Him a 0% vote of confidence. I'm stubbornly loyal to Him and certainly not another petered-out Peter!! At least this way there's still a chance I'll get into Heaven if it exists. I'm sure it does just as the Great God-Man Jesus does!! Hallelujah!!

Holy Spirit, I humbly thank You for Your Wisdom in guiding me towards my Selection.

[Bikewer]

I like the "none of the above" option.

Kind of like Bart Ehrman's speculation in his recent book about the Gospel of Judas Escariot.
In that scenario, JC was just one of a group of "apocalyptic" preachers who was charismatic enough to attract some decent crowds. No problem with this till he showed up in Jerusalem and proclaimed he would literally be "king of the Jews" after the Son Of Man came down to start the apocalypse.
The Romans saw that as sedition, and....

[Fnord]

How about "On Planet X we don't need a saviour, as we're all born perfect." option?

[MINISTERofTRUTH]

I think you are quite right.

I would say that we were deceived.

Possibly a small number of people were raised into the heavens, liars and sadists that is, and this happens because the only way to get them there is for them to use others that they could not care less about, as rocket fuel.

By this I mean the others must suffer since left can not exist without right, nor can a Heavenly Paradise exist without there also being a Screaming Hell, and so both must be created at the same time.

In English Code 6 numerology, Jesus Christ = 906.
In English Code 6 numerology, Schizophrenia = 906.

Are the Schizophrenics the people who are really taking the beating ?

Are the Schizophrenics the people who are being used as rocket fuel ?

Just a thought !

Would the real Jesus Christ wish to come to this world at the time when mankind had evolved to the point of no longer being dependent upon beliefs but was able to see truths and thus was then able to share his truths with mankind, or would he appear at a time when belief was still running strong, thus a time when mankind was wide open to possible deceit.

[arthwollipot]

What?

[MelBrooksfan]

I demand this topic start making sense.

[The Grave]

Oh for god's sake, who the hell believes religion makes any sense?

Sorry for those strong atheists who 'need' other options. I'll try harder to include you next time!

You realise there's a matrix to rotate jesus into a schizoid.... interesting!

Griff...

[Slimething]

Sorry for those strong atheists who 'need' other options. I'll try harder to include you next time!

You realise there's a matrix to rotate jesus into a schizoid.... interesting!

So, one has to believe in jesus to not be an atheist? Explain, please. :confused:

[The Atheist]

I certainly raise this very argument against the plonkers who claim that Jesus "died for us, because he loves us", then go on to tell me that Jesus is still alive.

"So, he died for you, but he's not actually dead? Doesn't sound as though he died much - did he just have a petit-mort, a little death, like an orgasm?"

I will qualify my 100% idiot rating by adding that even if Jesus was a real person and was really crucified, I believe that his belief was sufficient that he went willingly anyway.

[The Grave]

not my job! to

[arthwollipot]

... break up people's posts so that they don't make sense.

:)

[The Grave]

I can make good curry, but how do you make sense?

[VanillaCone]

My question (ever since being forced to watch Mel Gibson's Schlocky Horror Jesus Show) is why, as a supreme being, would Jesus even feel pain from all that flaying? Wouldn't He have some special power to shut off His nerve endings or turn the flesh wounds into strawberries, or something? Clearly, any pain or suffering experienced by Jesus throughout His life was optional, which defeats the entire principle of principled suffering. It makes Jesus no more noble than a meth addict.

[blobru]

Following on from 1 & 2. When 'tempted' by satan, we are expected to swallow the pathetic idea that jesus was "tempted" by the chance of having, what, the world (Earth), compared to what (his deal with god) the Universe. Oh yeh! That's a hard on to choose between!

Sounds like Satan came pretty close to tempting him. :o

[VanillaCone]

Originally Posted by polaristutoring@tisc http://forums.randi.org/helloworld2/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=2794833#post2794833)
Following on from 1 & 2. When 'tempted' by satan, we are expected to swallow the pathetic idea that jesus was "tempted" by the chance of having, what, the world (Earth), compared to what (his deal with god) the Universe. Oh yeh! That's a hard on to choose between!


Sounds like Satan came pretty close to tempting him. :o

That poses an almost Zenlike question: How does one choose between a hard on?

Much like: "What is the sound of one hand ..." Maybe I should just stop there.

[blobru]

That poses an almost Zenlike question: How does one choose between a hard on? ...

All part of the Foul One's wicked temptation --

Satan: [noting Jesus' truly miraculous ascension] "Choose 'between'..." [bats eyelashes, wags tail] :deredface:

[VanillaCone]

All part of the Foul One's wicked temptation --

Satan: [noting Jesus' truly miraculous ascension] "Choose 'between'..." [bats eyelashes, wags tail] :deredface:

If Jesus had any salt, he would have bent Satan right over and shown him how to choose "between."

Wow. If we atheists are wrong, I probably just bought myself an eternity naked in a cramped prison cell with a guy named Bubba whose penis shoots flaming acid.

[blobru]

If Jesus had any salt, he would have bent Satan right over and shown him how to choose "between."

Wow. If we atheists are wrong, I probably just bought myself an eternity naked in a cramped prison cell with a guy named Bubba whose penis shoots flaming acid.


Bubba's not such a bad guy once you get to know him. Beneath all the scales and pustules and flaming acid shooting out of his penis, deep down, he just wants to be loved... :shy:

[VanillaCone]

Bubba's not such a bad guy once you get to know him. Beneath all the scales and pustules and flaming acid shooting out of his penis, deep down, he just wants to be loved... :shy:

Did I mention that his holiest of holies is also a reservoir of flaming acid?

[blobru]

Did I mention that his holiest of holies is also a reservoir of flaming acid?

Quoting from The Holiest of the Holies (http://www.maitreya.org/english/THOTH.HTM):
To benefit from this Scripture you have to approach it with the utmost respect and with an open mind. Empty your cup and let the New Wine into the new skin. Let your concepts, and preconceived ideas, fade away. Open yourself to the most wonderful Revelation sent to man.
Bubba couldn't have put it better... :covereyes :)

[VanillaCone]

O.

My.

Gawd.

Is that Web site on your "Favorites" list? How did you find that so quickly? That's downright creepy, like Hellraiser kinda creepy. I'll keep my old skin, thanks!

[blobru]

... Is that Web site on your "Favorites" list? ...

Yup -- Randi, Youtube, and THOTH. :D

[Loss Leader]

I don't understand these poll choices.

[c4ts]

If Jesus had any salt, he would have bent Satan right over and shown him how to choose "between."

Wow. If we atheists are wrong, I probably just bought myself an eternity naked in a cramped prison cell with a guy named Bubba whose penis shoots flaming acid.

What choice do we have between god and Bubba anyway? They're both abusive lovers.

[The Grave]

I don't understand these poll choices.


It's easy; you just pick one!:rolleyes: