Massive Truther Rally 9/11/07 in New York

[Foolmewunz]

Over at the children's crusade LCF, they're working up the plans to get out the troops for

....the largest 9/11 - patriot community event anyone has ever seen or conceived.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=12656&st=0

What I find most interesting in its sad way is that the guy who started the thread, Highwaymanq, while appearing to be one of the drivers behind it, is a highschool kid, or at least he will be by the time the event rolls around - he just finished Junior High School!

In subsequent posts throughout the thread, he states:

The Chonicles of Highwaymanq

Dylan, do you have any ball-park estimate on the time that the FC screening will be because it'll be my 4th day oh high school in my life and Im tryin to get out of school.

It seems like there's a lot more youth goin than last year. That's a good sign, Youth for Truth baby!

Damn, my mom said I can only go either the 10th or the 11th. I'll try to persuade her to let me go to both, but what do you guys think will be a better day?

Someone responded to the above suggesting he go on the 10th and stay over to the 11th....
The problem is i'm not staying. I live 15 mins from GZ.

Then, this gobsmacking classic (he's obviously googling a map of Manhattan)..from someone who lives 15 minutes from GZ, and is one of the leading posters at LCF:
Where is WTC located?
Midtown East – Midtown South – Midtown West – Upper East Side – Upper Midtown - Central Park South – Upper West Side – ???

And then, having been told how to find the place....
I'll RSVP as soon as I persuade momma to either stay in New York for 2 days, or drive there both days. Hmm.............

When someone suggests that as Waterboy says (yes, they quote Waterboy!!!), "What Momma doesn't know, won't hurt her!"
I'n not busing to NYC alone, I don't have the balls for that one.
(Once again... he lives in New Jersey, fifteen minutes from GZ according to his calculations! Can't hack that dangerous bus ride!!!)

As I said, it's really kind of sad! They're playing warriors over there, and don't even think twice about posting such embarassing details as.... having to get mommie to drive you, never having been to the city from northern NJ, having no idea how to take a bus into Manhattan, and being worried about the trip! These kids are going to change the world?

End of tribute to Highwaymanq


Okay, on a more sober note.... Here's the RSVPs received so far:

Day 1 and 2- 54 RSVP's
Day 3-56 RSVP's
Day 4-111 RSVP's
Day 5-97 RSVP's

The big date for LCF posters is of course Day 4, the 10th. That's when Dylan walks on water and they get to see their precious LCFC. 111 people out of the "fans" (as Dylan calls them)? And the really great point... this is the total signup after promoting this mega-event for almost two weeks. This is NOT 111 LCF posters. This is 111 people, in total, who have RSVPd from the entire following of " We Are Change, Info Wars, Freedom to Fascism, Lone Lantern, Louder Than Words, and many other patriot organizations to be announced.." This is the film that's going to change the world, guys! 111 people have signed up for the impossible-to-get advance screening tickets??? Surely rigor mortis is setting in at Louder Than Words! Only the most faithful of the faithful are still buying into this nonsense.

Further, in order to suck in appeal to greater numbers of non-truthers, they're couching much of this as an appeal to aid the first-responders.

From the list of speakers and performers, so far they're going to have more participants than attendees.

http://www.wearechange.org/91107/



I'm not holding my breath, but there's a chance I may have to change a lot of personal plans (I have a wedding to attend to in Bangkok that week), because my company's threatening to send me to New York, Baltimore, Orlando and Dallas in the early part of September. I'd love to be there to see the turnout of millions! (See the youtube link on the above We Are Change link... If the turnout of dozens on 9/11/06 can be called "thousands", then the couple of hundred this year will certainly be counted as "millions".)

Seriously, if I do wind up on the East Coast that week, I'm going. I want to see some of these people up close. My personal opinion is that the Truth Movement is rapidly being relegated to not-very-interesting-nutbar status, but I want to get up close to see if the stench of death is yet upon them.

[Revolutionary91]

Why are you so obsessed with "kids" at LC? Highwaymanq at least has a hobby that doesn't involve transcribing other peoples writings on internet forums.

[JamesB]

By comparison, over 500 people attended the Rock, Paper, Scissors World Championship in Toronto.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,188380,00.html

But then again, they had prize money...

[Digest]

By comparison, over 500 people attended the Rock, Paper, Scissors World Championship in Toronto.
But then again, they had prize money...

that made me laugh so hard i might have pee'd ia little...:D

[Foolmewunz]

Why are you so obsessed with "kids" at LC? Highwaymanq at least has a hobby that doesn't involve transcribing other peoples writings on internet forums.

"Obsessed"? No. Fascinated, puzzled, dismayed, concerned.... pick your verb.

Mostly, I'm astounded at the confirmation of the bias of many who always said that the "movement" was now middle-class white boys posting from their mommie's basement. That a 15 or 16 year old who purports to be an expert on 9/11 cannot even identify the part of Manhattan where the towers were located speaks volumes. That he hasn't the balls (his term) to go into the big city by himself, speaks even more to the issue.

[uk_dave]

A hobby?

911 'truth' is a hobby?

Whatever happened to making model aircraft, or climbing trees, or sniffing glue?

Kids these days....

[T.A.M.]

Why are you so obsessed with "kids" at LC? Highwaymanq at least has a hobby that doesn't involve transcribing other peoples writings on internet forums.

Oh, did someone's feelings get hurt. I hear there is an ABC afterschool special rerun coming on...quick, turn on the TV and see if you can catch it.

TAM:)

[Foolmewunz]

Ya know what, Rev91?

Indirectly, you're right. 'Though it's not an obsession, it was a little mean-spirited to stack the whole bunch of quotes together in one mass.

So, Highwaymanq, if you're lurking or reading... I apologize. I was a yute once, too. If someone had a taped or written record of everything foolish I said or did back then, I'd pay a year's salary to get it back, believe me!

Mods - you can close this thread or move it (although I think regulars are avoiding it, anyway and it'll wend its way to Page 2 rather quickly) if you desire. The information and source for the 9/11 rallies is important, but it's sort of outweighed by the petty stuff. My bad!

[parky76]

As I have said before, and will say again, of they can't get atleast 5,000 people to their event...then they juct suck. They proclaim how 50% of America believes 9-11 was an inside job, but so far they cant get more then 200 people to RSVP for their events.

How very, very pathetic they indeed have become.

[R.Mackey]

I'm surprised there aren't more of them in NYC itself. There's no excuse here -- even if it's too far for the average Truther to hitchhike, can't take a day off work without being demoted back to the fry machine, Mom won't let them, etc., they still should be able to muster a much larger turnout.

Pretty depressing. All that work trying to forge an identity and new friendships, and it just doesn't work out...

For comparison, each year the largest paintball rally is Oklahoma D-Day (http://www.ddayadventurepark.com/), which routinely draws 3,000+ despite being nowhere near a major city, and despite having plenty of competition. On those grounds, I don't think Sept. 11th denial even constitutes a viable hobby.

[T.A.M.]

yes a city with what...10 Million people or more, and on the ANIVERSARY of 9/11, last year, the 5th no less, and they get about 1000 out to the event...

That is what 1/10,000th of the population, or 0.01% of the population of NYC, and I venture to guess not all of them were New Yorkers...

Pathetic really.

TAM:)

[leftysergeant]

I wonder how many of those attending will be sociologist there to study cult behaviors.

[Brainster]

I continue to think that Webster Tarpley was being generous when he estimated that 9-11 Truth Activists number about 25,000 in the United States.

I was rather amused at the quotes from Highwaymanq though.

[David Wong]

A hobby?

911 'truth' is a hobby?

Whatever happened to making model aircraft, or climbing trees, or sniffing glue?

Kids these days....

Let's all chip in and buy him a Wii.

[LashL]

yes a city with what...10 Million people or more, and on the ANIVERSARY of 9/11, last year, the 5th no less, and they get about 1000 out to the event...

That is what 1/10,000th of the population, or 0.01% of the population of NYC, and I venture to guess not all of them were New Yorkers...

Pathetic really.

TAM:)

I think the population of NYC is around 22 million, actually... so the troof movement's reach is even worse than postulated (which was already bad enough - lol)

[Regnad Kcin]

I think the population of NYC is around 22 million, actually... so the troof movement's reach is even worse than postulated (which was already bad enough - lol)Well, you're a tad high (rimshot). It's 8,143,197 as of the 2005 census.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0763098.html

[Tbone]

Well, you're a tad high (rimshot). It's 8,143,197 as of the 2005 census.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0763098.html

22 million includes all the incorporated areas, much like Vancouver. Taken by itself, Vancouver only has a population of 600,000 or so. But the Greater Vancouver Regional District, which includes Vancouver, Burnaby, Richmond, etc, tops 2 million.

[LashL]

Well, you're a tad high (rimshot). It's 8,143,197 as of the 2005 census.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0763098.html

Only 8m? That's practically tiny! Don't tell the rest of the world how small it is. ;)

Seriously, though, by NYC, I meant the NYC metropolitan area, and I think the population is around 22 million.

[Dog Town]

Well, you're a tad high (rimshot). It's 8,143,197 as of the 2005 census.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0763098.html

LA pop is a joke number, as well! The numbers of illeagals, is off the charts!
USA is the sheeet! 40 million illeagals can't be wrong! Sorry... Perth.

[qarnos]

I'n not busing to NYC alone, I don't have the balls for that one.

Something tells me the NWO are not going to have much of a problem stopping this revolution.

[ref]

Even the Wife-Carrying World Championships (http://www.sonkajarvi.fi/?deptid=15136) in Sonkajärvi, Finland gathered an audience of 6000 people.

In 2005 they even had, believe or not, Dennis Rodman participating (http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=802f62469c41de7b19147ba4265617f0.638500). That is some funny stuff. :D

[timhau]

So... the twoofer movement is trying to propagate itself by deluding timid schoolkids who are too scared to take a 15 minute bus ride from their home?

Frankly, that's outrageous.

[geni]

It's the fairly standard problem of trying to turn online enthusiasm into meatspace action.

[Undesired Walrus]

Only 8m? That's practically tiny! Don't tell the rest of the world how small it is. ;)


London is 12 million! Suck on that!

[Regnad Kcin]

22 million includes all the incorporated areas, much like Vancouver.Only 8m? That's practically tiny! Don't tell the rest of the world how small it is. ;)

Seriously, though, by NYC, I meant the NYC metropolitan area, and I think the population is around 22 million.8 mil is for the five boroughs. That is, New York City.

May I see a source for your 22, please?

[timhau]

Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_metropolitan_area) gives the NYC metropolitan area population as just over 18.7 million.

[jhunter1163]

I guess it depends on what you call the NYC metro area. How much of Jersey and Long Island and Connecticut to include? Hmmm... my guess is that if you include North Jersey, western Long Island and extreme southwest Connecticut, you'll find your 22 million all right. So, within an hour's drive (or bus or subway ride) you've got 22 million people and you can't get 5,000 to show up in FOUR DAYS? How pathetic is that?

I'll answer my own question. VERY pathetic.

[Foolmewunz]

8 mil is for the five boroughs. That is, New York City.

May I see a source for your 22, please?

Well, get yourself in a helicopter above Times Square, then allow yourself the rough equivalent of what they consider Greater London, Ciudad de Mexico, or Los Angeles, roughly fifteen miles in all directions. You'd see where the population comes from.

New York City abuts the New Jersey border, so the entire community on the west shore of the Hudson River (Hoboken, Jersey City, even out to Newark) is really a feeder community to New York. There are subways (PATH trains) running out to Newark.

If you go in the other directions (East and North), there are dozens of communities that don't exist without New York. Basically all of Westchester County and all of Long Island up to The Hamptons and a little farther.

I once added them all, and you come up with a Metropolitan area of 22 to 25 million.

If you follow MacLuhan's old adage about a metropolis representing the extent of it's broadcast, then that whole area is essentially part of New York. There are TV and Radio stations situated in other incorporated cities/communities, but only for tax and cost reasons. They're there to service the metropolitan area.

I live in Hong Kong, which claims 8.5 million. The density here is unbelievable, but mostly due to much uninhabitable land. The density of traffic and people in New York, just to the eye, is much greater. There is no way that Hong Kong is the same size as New York. (At least not right now.... in ten/fifteen years as they fill in the area between Hong Kong and the old border, which will cease to exist according to the government in 2022, Hong Kong will be a metropolis of about 20/25 million also.)

[chippy]

Damn, my mom said I can only go either the 10th or the 11th. I'll try to persuade her to let me go to both, but what do you guys think will be a better day?

For a 9/11 protest rally? GEE, I WONDER.

[Foolmewunz]

For a 9/11 protest rally? GEE, I WONDER.

Ah, but....

The consensus on the LCF is that the 10th would be better. Just a boring old memorial on the 11th... of no significance at all compared to a Reo Whatisface concert and the premier of LCFCWRMITT (Loose Change Final Cut We Really Mean It This Time).

[Regnad Kcin]

Again, as seen in post #16, I was responding to LashL's claim that the population of NYC (which I take to mean the city, not parts of New Jersey or any other outlying area) is 22 million. It isn't.

[Foolmewunz]

Again, as seen in post #16, I was responding to LashL's claim that the population of NYC (which I take to mean the city, not parts of New Jersey or any other outlying area) is 22 million. It isn't.

We got that - I believe we agree on the population of the five boroughs. (I'm taking liberties with Lash's interpretation, but I think I'm right.)

I was just answering the "where'd you get that figure" part.

[parky76]

8 million new yorkers..fyi.

[Regnad Kcin]

We got that - I believe we agree on the population of the five boroughs. (I'm taking liberties with Lash's interpretation, but I think I'm right.)

I was just answering the "where'd you get that figure" part.I see. Thanks.

[Triterope]

I guess it depends on what you call the NYC metro area. How much of Jersey and Long Island and Connecticut to include?

Metropolitan areas are explicitly defined by the Census bureau. According to their definition for NYC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_metropolitan_area#Components_of_the_metro politan_area) -- which has to do with things like how many people commute from the suburbs to the core for work -- the NYC metro area population is about 18.7 million.

There are also Combined Statistical Areas, which are adjacent metropolitan areas that have a lesser degree of interrelation with the core. For NYC, this adds most of Connecticut and New Jersey, and raises the total population to about 22 million, the figure LashL gave.

Getting back to the Twoof rally, it should also be said that the metro areas of Philadelphia (5.8 million), Washington DC (5.3 million) Boston (4.5 million), and Baltimore (2.5 million), are all within 250 miles of New York City. That's another 18 million people.

So you've got at least 40 million people within a four-hour drive of this place, and these 9-11 Twoof imbeciles currently have about 100 web signups for a once-a-year event commemorating a major event in history, which large numbers of this 40 million have a deep personal connection to.

Based on these numbers, 9-11 Truth doesn't even qualify as a hobby.

[timhau]

So you've got at least 40 million people within a four-hour drive of this place, and these 9-11 Twoof imbeciles currently have about 100 web signups for a once-a-year event commemorating a major event in history, which large numbers of this 40 million have a deep personal connection to.

Based on these numbers, 9-11 Truth doesn't even qualify as a hobby.

I'm trying to put this into perspective. I live in Finland, which has a population of just over 5 million. 100 out of 40 million is about the same frequency as 13 out of 5 million. An Australian Rules Football team fields 18 players per team, and apparently Finland has scraped together an Aussie Rules national team, despite the fact that very few here have even heard of the sport and even fewer know anything about the rules.

Ergo, 9-11 Truth in the US Northeast is a more marginal phenomenon than Australian Rules Football in Finland. Nice going, Twoofs.

[ref]

I'm trying to put this into perspective. I live in Finland, which has a population of just over 5 million. 100 out of 40 million is about the same frequency as 13 out of 5 million. An Australian Rules Football team fields 18 players per team, and apparently Finland has scraped together an Aussie Rules national team, despite the fact that very few here have even heard of the sport and even fewer know anything about the rules.

Ergo, 9-11 Truth in the US Northeast is a more marginal phenomenon than Australian Rules Football in Finland. Nice going, Twoofs.

Wohou, a fellow Finn! :clap:

[ref]

Wohou, a fellow Finn! :clap:

ETA: I read that article about Aussie football in Finland. That was quite interesting. I didn't know we had any teams here, but it seems we have even won some European title.

ETA in ETA: Damn these small buttons.

[TjW]

I'm surprised there aren't more of them in NYC itself. There's no excuse here -- even if it's too far for the average Truther to hitchhike, can't take a day off work without being demoted back to the fry machine, Mom won't let them, etc., they still should be able to muster a much larger turnout.
<snippage by TjW>


I think the fact it's in NYC may be part of the problem. There is a much better chance there that a random person either:

Was an eyewitness.
Knows an eyewitness.
Knew a victim.
Volunteered in the cleanup.
Knows someone who volunteered in the cleanup.

People in those categories might understandably get a trifle upset with a group treating 9/11 as a hobby.

[timhau]

ETA: I read that article about Aussie football in Finland. That was quite interesting. I didn't know we had any teams here, but it seems we have even won some European title.

Yes. Definite proof that it's going to be the most popular sport in the country just before the Truth movement revolution.

[firecoins]

The NEw York Metropolitan area has over 20 million. The 5 boros have 8 plus million. The NY Metro area includes Rockland, Westchester counties, Southeastern Conn, Long Island and Northern Jersey.

[A W Smith]

The NEw York Metropolitan area has over 20 million. The 5 boros have 8 plus million. The NY Metro area includes Rockland, Westchester counties, Southeastern Conn, Long Island and Northern Jersey.
which also includes me and my family. And ive never lived out of the state of NJ


In addition to the New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA Metropolitan Statistical Area, the following Metropolitan Statistical Areas are also included in the New York-Newark-Bridgeport, NY-NJ-CT-PA Combined Statistical Area (total pop. 21,903,623):


The counties and county groupings comprising the New York metropolitan area are listed below with 2005 U.S. Census Bureau estimates of their populations.
New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA Metropolitan Statistical Area (18,709,802)

New York-White Plains-Wayne, NY-NJ Metropolitan Division (11,482,569)
Kings County, NY (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooklyn) (2,486,235)
Queens County, NY (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queens) (2,241,600)
New York County, NY (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan) (1,593,200)
Bronx County, NY (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bronx) (1,357,589)
Westchester County, NY (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westchester_County%2C_New_York) (940,807)
Bergen County, NJ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergen_County%2C_New_Jersey) (902,561)
Hudson County, NJ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudson_County%2C_New_Jersey) (603,521)
Passaic County, NJ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passaic_County%2C_New_Jersey) (499,060)
Richmond County, NY (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staten_Island) (464,573)
Rockland County, NY (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockland_County%2C_New_York) (292,916)
Putnam County, NY (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putnam_County%2C_New_York) (100,507)
Nassau-Suffolk, NY Metropolitan Division (2,808,064)

Suffolk County (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffolk_County%2C_New_York) (1,474,927)
Nassau County (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nassau_County%2C_New_York) (1,333,137)
Edison, NJ Metropolitan Division (2,303,709)

Middlesex County (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middlesex_County%2C_New_Jersey) (789,516)
Monmouth County (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monmouth_County%2C_New_Jersey) (635,952)
Ocean County (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_County%2C_New_Jersey) (558,341)
Somerset County (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somerset_County%2C_New_Jersey) (319,900)
Newark-Union, NJ-PA Metropolitan Division (2,152,978)

Essex County, NJ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essex_County%2C_New_Jersey) (791,057)
Union County, NJ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_County%2C_New_Jersey) (531,457)
Morris County, NJ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morris_County%2C_New_Jersey) (490,593)
Sussex County, NJ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sussex_County%2C_New_Jersey) (153,130)
Hunterdon County, NJ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunterdon_County%2C_New_Jersey) (130,404)
Pike County, PA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pike_County%2C_Pennsylvania) (56,337)
In addition to the New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA Metropolitan Statistical Area, the following Metropolitan Statistical Areas are also included in the New York-Newark-Bridgeport, NY-NJ-CT-PA Combined Statistical Area (total pop. 21,903,623):

Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk, CT Metropolitan Statistical Area (902,775)
Fairfield County (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairfield_County%2C_Connecticut) (903,291)
New Haven-Milford, CT Metropolitan Statistical Area (846,766)

New Haven County (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Haven_County%2C_Connecticut) (846,766)
Poughkeepsie-Newburgh-Middletown, NY Metropolitan Statistical Area (667,742)

Orange County (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_County%2C_New_York) (372,893)
Dutchess County (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutchess_County%2C_New_York) (294,849)
Trenton-Ewing, NJ Metropolitan Statistical Area (366,256)

Mercer County (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercer_County%2C_New_Jersey) (366,256)
Torrington, CT Micropolitan Statistical Area (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micropolitan_Statistical_Area) (190,071)

Litchfield County (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Litchfield_County%2C_Connecticut) (190,071)
Kingston, NY Metropolitan Statistical Area (182,693)

Ulster County (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_County%2C_New_York) (182,693)
Note: Sixty-three percent of the population (13,730,534) lives in the 43% of the land area that is east of the Ambrose Channel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambrose_Channel)/The Narrows (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Narrows)/Hudson River (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudson_River); Thirty-seven percent of the population (8,128,296) lives in the 57% of the land area that is west of the Ambrose Channel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambrose_Channel)/The Narrows (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Narrows)/Hudson River (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudson_River).

[bje]

"Obsessed"? No. Fascinated, puzzled, dismayed, concerned.... pick your verb.


Don't worry, they're not demanding "answers" anymore:

"Can't wait, people everywhere are really going to start demanding questions (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=12656&view=findpost&p=14222553) from their "elected" officials once this event happens. There will be no way to ignore it."

[A W Smith]

Is this event going to be some sort of "Moron Man March"?

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Let's all chip in and buy him a Wii.

Are you mad? Those things are still pretty hard to find! :p

Don't worry, they're not demanding "answers" anymore:


lol... Isn't that a step backwards for them?

[bje]

Heh, I'm bringing one of these (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,292271,00.html) to test out on 9/11 Truthers.

[Triterope]

Heh, I'm bringing one of these (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,292271,00.html) to test out on 9/11 Truthers.

Oooh! Oooh! I know what I want for Christmas!

From now on, you will refer to me as Barf Vader.

[Foolmewunz]

Update:
August 13th (date of below post) and they still haven't sold the mere 1000 tickets to the mostest importantest screening since Scarlett and Rhett opened in Atlanta seventy years ago.
They've been plugging this since June, and the tickets have been available since July 25. So, I guess that 84% of the population is waiting for the last minute, maybe hoping it'll go on "twofers"*.

Anyone other than me see anything funny (as in weird, strange, sick... not as in "ha ha") in the below? 1000 tickets at twenty bucks a pop! Get 'em while they last! Yeah, for Monday the 10th.... And all the profits from SUNDAY (the concert or whatever) go to the first responders.

Question: Who keeps the twenty thousand from Monday?
Are payments due on the SUV? Bail money for Korey?
Oh, I know! He's already given the 3 or 4 million that he promised (to match those crass commercial filmmakers), so this is his to keep.

Just asking questions!


http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=12656&st=100


dylan avery Posted: Aug 13 2007, 04:28 PM


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Thanks for the help THMQ.

Anyone else? Only 1,000 tickets will be sold for Monday, so get 'em while they exist. You don't want to miss that event.

And remember, Sunday's profits are going to first responders and family members.


*"Twofer" is an old Broadway term. When a play would be doing poorly (even a hit that was in the second or third year and was just slowing down), all the delis and coffee shops in the city would have coupons that you could use to bye "two for the price of one".... or "twofers". Great pun, even if I'm the only person who recognized it! :spjimlad:

[ref]

Anyone other than me see anything funny (as in weird, strange, sick... not as in "ha ha") in the below? 1000 tickets at twenty bucks a pop! Get 'em while they last! Yeah, for Monday the 10th.... And all the profits from SUNDAY (the concert or whatever) go to the first responders.



That is strange, since their mission clearly states, that ALL the funds go to first responders, and that the 5 days are non-profit.

http://www.wearechange.org/91107/mission/

Either Dylan has misinformation, or We Are Change lies. Or they both lie. Well. All of those have happened before, so nothing surprises.

[Dumb All Over]

This just showed up at Loose Change--

Dear Loose Change Supporter,

We appreciate all the support you've given us over the past 2 years, and we're hoping we can lean on you again. We are well into creating Loose Change, Final Cut and have found the costs in shooting interviews and editing to be higher than we anticipated. We are planning to complete the film in the very near future, but we need to raise a bit more money to get it just right.

We are reaching out to you for a donation. Anything you give goes towards getting the Final Cut finished and spreading the word further. Please visit our donations page now and give anything you can – even as little as $5.

We will ship one free copy of Loose Change, Final Cut, from the first pressing of DVDs, to anyone that donates more than $100.00. Anyone donating $250 and over will receive a limited edition autographed version of Final Cut. We expect the Final Cut to sell out its initial pressing quickly, and this is one way to assure that you’ll get yours.

Rest assured that none of us are driving around in a new Mercedes – all of your support goes to spreading the truth. Once again we appreciate all you do for us and for believing in the truth!

Thanks,
The LC Crew.

[Foolmewunz]

This just showed up at Loose Change--

Dumb All Over - someone posted a link to this at LCF... but it was apparently a private emailing. Did DA actually post it on his site? Or was he hoping to slip in under the radar of public scrutiny?

This is quite amazing. They've supposedly got a distributor signed in the UK, are going to hit forty theatres, simoultaneously, and he's still on the one hand hawking tickets that haven't sold (a mere 1000 seats, I have to emphasize that again, and they can't sell them), and now begging for money to "finish"? It's supposed to hit the theatres, for edsake!

We've been referring to them as morally bankrupt for ages. Now, they're apparently bankrupt bankrupt.

Lucus can't raise more than thirty bucks in donations. Willy the R has been woefully silent. The "movement" is moving allright, right down the drain.

[Dog Town]

We've been referring to them as morally bankrupt for ages. Now, they're apparently bankrupt bankrupt.

Lucus can't raise more than thirty bucks in donations. Willy the R has been woefully silent. The "movement" is moving allright, right down the drain.

The Twoofer Fest is asking for a hundred grand! They claim to be for first responders! Strike that, they claim they will raise a hundred! Claim to have spent 25 large, on Space rentals!
The "chip in" button for donations, shows NONE! Zero, doughnut! Quite the movement they have. While cause is good, don't trust them to give it to those in need!
http://www.wearechange.org/91107/donate/
DT

[Gravy]

Ergo, 9-11 Truth in the US Northeast is a more marginal phenomenon than Australian Rules Football in Finland. Nice going, Twoofs.:biggrin:

[maccy]

Dumb All Over - someone posted a link to this at LCF... but it was apparently a private emailing. Did DA actually post it on his site? Or was he hoping to slip in under the radar of public scrutiny?

Looks like it was a mailing, which LCF user midwestzero has posted on the forum:

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=8646&view=findpost&p=14411623

Here's a screencap of the post:

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd169/maccy69/lc-appeal.jpg

[Gravy]

The Twoofer Fest is asking for a hundred grand! They claim to be for first responders! Strike that, they claim they will raise a hundred! Claim to have spent 25 large, on Space rentals!
The "chip in" button for donations, shows NONE! Zero, doughnut! Quite the movement they have. While cause is good, don't trust them to give it to those in need!
http://www.wearechange.org/91107/donate/
DT

They've raised $1901 from 18 donors. http://wearechange.chipin.com/91107-event

[Dumb All Over]

Dumb All Over - someone posted a link to this at LCF... but it was apparently a private emailing. Did DA actually post it on his site? Or was he hoping to slip in under the radar of public scrutiny?

Hells bells, Foolmewunz. Why I didn't supply a link is beyond me. My apologies. Now I can't find where I saw it. Looks like maccy found one, though. Thank goodness. I can't stand that forum and don't want to spend another minute searching. It turns my brain to mush.

What I saw was not posted by Dylan. It was some other poster saying he had just received it in his mailbox.

Again, my apologies for not sourcing the quote.

[Dog Town]

They've raised $1901 from 18 donors. http://wearechange.chipin.com/91107-event

Yes I see, when I clicked the link earlier it showed Zero! Now I see the amount. In my link ,it said it ended on the 12th. The one you have shows the 11th, Hmmm....

[steve s]

We are reaching out to you for a donation. Anything you give goes towards getting the Final Cut finished and spreading the word further. Please visit our donations page now and give anything you can – even as little as $5.

We will ship one free copy of Loose Change, Final Cut, from the first pressing of DVDs, to anyone that donates more than $100.00. Anyone donating $250 and over will receive a limited edition autographed version of Final Cut.

Reminds me of a televangelist I once saw on TV pleading for donations. He said "I know that most of you will only be able to afford $50 or $100, and some of you can afford $500 or $1000. And a few of you can afford $5000 or $10,000." Greedy [Rule8]ers.


We expect the Final Cut to sell out its initial pressing quickly,

If they're so confident of this, why don't they just put the expense on their credit cards.



Rest assured that none of us are driving around in a new Mercedes

No, just new ATVs.


Steve S.

[R.Mackey]

So...

What happened to the $20 million budget (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=72169)?

Avery, you got some 'splainin' to do!!

[Shrinker]

Is it a coincidence that yesterday Avery 'forgot' that the $20-35K for the LC screening is going to the firefighters and not LTW?

Seems like a heck of a thing to get wrong at such a difficult time.

[ref]

The first screening of Loose Change Final Cut will be in Kristiansand, Norway on 8th of September. They have a Protest festival there, with David Ray Griffin.

http://www.911blogger.com/node/10670

[Jonnyclueless]

Maybe I can buy the free signed version for $250, then turn around and sell it on Ebay for $500.

[maccy]

The first screening of Loose Change Final Cut will be in Kristiansand, Norway on 8th of September. They have a Protest festival there, with David Ray Griffin.

http://www.911blogger.com/node/10670

From the comments to that entry:

I'd like to put in a plug for the Loose Change crew, with qualifications.

Recently, they sent their supporters a request for donations. You can help them finish LCFE here:

http://lc911.com/lc911/catalog/Donations-orderby0-p-1-c-6.html

Now, I think about 80% of LC2E is garbage. HOWEVER, I think the 20% that remains, and the tireless efforts of the LC crew to promote the need for a new investigation, is worth at least a small donation. I made a rather large donation, for two reasons:

(1) The LC guys say the final edition has 80% new material. I'm hoping the new material will replace the garbage in the old material. I have faith in them.

(2) I consider the donation a donation to the cause at large. If you are willing to drop $30 on the latest Warner Brothers DVD, surely the larger cause of Truth is worth at least that much in donation to LCFE.

I admit I am naturally suspicious of this fundraising, given the changing story surrounding how the film will be financed and released. And, sure, maybe they'll make a fool of me somehow. But I don't care. I still think these guys are legit and deserve our collective help. I have donated; I hope you all will too.http://www.911blogger.com/node/10670#comment-157334

[qarnos]

Avery, you got some 'splainin' to do!!

So, you saw that "LUCUS" thread, too? Or is it just "coincidence"? :)

[timhau]

Rest assured that none of us are driving around in a new Mercedes

That's just the problem with new cars. They turn into used ones the second you start driving them.

[ref]

From the comments to that entry:

http://www.911blogger.com/node/10670#comment-157334

So it has 80% new material then? New material to cover much of the same claims I guess. And they have 20% old material. That means 20% of old falsehoods. How many errors/falsehoods did that film have? The count was somewhere over 300. 20% of 300 is 60. They still have a quaranteed amount of 60 errors/falsehoods in the film. And that is only assuming, the rest of the 80% miraculously would contain no errors at all. :cool:

[jhunter1163]

It's not done yet? 23 days from the test screening in Norway and it's still not done? And they're asking for money to get it done?

I don't see how anyone, anywhere, could possibly take these guys seriously anymore.

[maccy]

Would it be too cynical to suggest that they know that their followers are going to be very disappointed by LC:FC and that this is an attempt to get some more cash out of them before that disappointment kicks in?

[Shrinker]

Being a twoofer seems to get really expensive around their annual festival day.

[maccy]

The first screening of Loose Change Final Cut will be in Kristiansand, Norway on 8th of September. They have a Protest festival there, with David Ray Griffin.

http://www.911blogger.com/node/10670

On their site:

http://www.protest.no/default.aspx?m=21&amid=584

[ref]

On their site:

http://www.protest.no/default.aspx?m=21&amid=584

From that site:

"Loose Change has been shown on certain broadcasting networks and movie theatres. But it is especially on the internet and video sharing websites like YouTube that the movie has met most of its audience, with more than one hundred million downloads."

I seriously doubt that number.

[Shrinker]

On their site:

http://www.protest.no/default.aspx?m=21&amid=584


Those poor guys, they can't even get good hype at their own World Premiere...



The accuracy and the reliability of the assertions made by Loose Change has been questioned by the antagonist video called Screw Loose Change, and also by Popular Mechanics, the mass media and independent scientists.

[SpaceMonkeyZero]

I think the fact it's in NYC may be part of the problem. There is a much better chance there that a random person either:

Was an eyewitness.
Knows an eyewitness.
Knew a victim.
Volunteered in the cleanup.
Knows someone who volunteered in the cleanup.

People in those categories might understandably get a trifle upset with a group treating 9/11 as a hobby.

Check out Gravy's video with the guy who lost 4 family members on 9/11 confronting the tards at Ground Zero.

My wife is from Brooklyn originally, and we had one friend die that day, her brother lost 3 friends, her parent's neighbor lost a son, her parent's fire department down the road still has the pictures of 4 of their firefighters that lost their lives that day.

Rational thinking people in NYC have no time for teenage hobbies concerning the deaths of their friends and family.

[Horatius]

Would it be too cynical to suggest that they know that their followers are going to be very disappointed by LC:FC and that this is an attempt to get some more cash out of them before that disappointment kicks in?



No, I think that would be just cynical enough.

[Foolmewunz]

In all fairness (I know,... I know.... but once in a while is okay) I think their Chip-In account is just a sidebar. Some clever lad thought, "Hey, it's the internet, man! They'll send millions!" The contributions haven't moved in two days. I'm going to assume they're going to get most of their money from ticket sales and passing the hat at 911.

[Gravy]

The first screening of Loose Change Final Cut will be in Kristiansand, Norway on 8th of September. They have a Protest festival there, with David Ray Griffin.

http://www.911blogger.com/node/10670I heard that the Norwegian women's Australian Rules Football team is going to kick their asses.

[dudalb]

What amazed me is why any serous protest group would want to associate themselves with the bunch of Loons that is the Truth Movement.
Instant credibility drop of around 90%.
But then for some time I have wondered why the Left shoots itself in the foot so often by allowing in people who have Kook written all over them.

[jon]

Heh, I'm bringing one of these (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,292271,00.html) to test out on 9/11 Truthers.

Just imagine the fun you could have with a laser pointer ;)

[Safe-Keeper]

Great. So now Norway's got half a month to prepare for the stream of refugees fleeing the IQ-draining truthers targeting Kristiansand. It'll be a Norwegian New Orleans.

Poor people:(.

[fuelair]

Over at the children's crusade LCF, they're working up the plans to get out the troops for



http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=12656&st=0

What I find most interesting in its sad way is that the guy who started the thread, Highwaymanq, while appearing to be one of the drivers behind it, is a highschool kid, or at least he will be by the time the event rolls around - he just finished Junior High School!

In subsequent posts throughout the thread, he states:

The Chonicles of Highwaymanq







Someone responded to the above suggesting he go on the 10th and stay over to the 11th....


Then, this gobsmacking classic (he's obviously googling a map of Manhattan)..from someone who lives 15 minutes from GZ, and is one of the leading posters at LCF:


And then, having been told how to find the place....


When someone suggests that as Waterboy says (yes, they quote Waterboy!!!), "What Momma doesn't know, won't hurt her!"

(Once again... he lives in New Jersey, fifteen minutes from GZ according to his calculations! Can't hack that dangerous bus ride!!!)

As I said, it's really kind of sad! They're playing warriors over there, and don't even think twice about posting such embarassing details as.... having to get mommie to drive you, never having been to the city from northern NJ, having no idea how to take a bus into Manhattan, and being worried about the trip! These kids are going to change the world?

End of tribute to Highwaymanq


Okay, on a more sober note.... Here's the RSVPs received so far:



The big date for LCF posters is of course Day 4, the 10th. That's when Dylan walks on water and they get to see their precious LCFC. 111 people out of the "fans" (as Dylan calls them)? And the really great point... this is the total signup after promoting this mega-event for almost two weeks. This is NOT 111 LCF posters. This is 111 people, in total, who have RSVPd from the entire following of " We Are Change, Info Wars, Freedom to Fascism, Lone Lantern, Louder Than Words, and many other patriot organizations to be announced.." This is the film that's going to change the world, guys! 111 people have signed up for the impossible-to-get advance screening tickets??? Surely rigor mortis is setting in at Louder Than Words! Only the most faithful of the faithful are still buying into this nonsense.

Further, in order to suck in appeal to greater numbers of non-truthers, they're couching much of this as an appeal to aid the first-responders.

From the list of speakers and performers, so far they're going to have more participants than attendees.

http://www.wearechange.org/91107/



I'm not holding my breath, but there's a chance I may have to change a lot of personal plans (I have a wedding to attend to in Bangkok that week), because my company's threatening to send me to New York, Baltimore, Orlando and Dallas in the early part of September. I'd love to be there to see the turnout of millions! (See the youtube link on the above We Are Change link... If the turnout of dozens on 9/11/06 can be called "thousands", then the couple of hundred this year will certainly be counted as "millions".)

Seriously, if I do wind up on the East Coast that week, I'm going. I want to see some of these people up close. My personal opinion is that the Truth Movement is rapidly being relegated to not-very-interesting-nutbar status, but I want to get up close to see if the stench of death is yet upon them.I seriously doubt all forty whatever its (43?44?) will show up - several because their mommies won't let them out of the house on a school day.

[timhau]

What amazed me is why any serous protest group would want to associate themselves with the bunch of Loons that is the Truth Movement.
Instant credibility drop of around 90%.

But fortunately, in the spirit of the age-old truth that you can't be a dumbass if you're in the movies, the festival has gotten an endorsement from Kris Kristofferson (http://www.protest.no/default.aspx?m=21).

[ref]

I heard that the Norwegian women's Australian Rules Football team is going to kick their asses.

That's for sure :cool:

[eddyk]

Norway?

What the frizzle?


How very unusual indeed, they will be just about the only americans there!

[fuelair]

But fortunately, in the spirit of the age-old truth that you can't be a dumbass if you're in the movies, the festival has gotten an endorsement from Kris Kristofferson (http://www.protest.no/default.aspx?m=21).
Tom Cruise and Mel Gibson have pretty well wrecked that age-old truth for us!!!:D :jaw-dropp

[SpaceMonkeyZero]

What amazed me is why any serous protest group would want to associate themselves with the bunch of Loons that is the Truth Movement.
Instant credibility drop of around 90%.
But then for some time I have wondered why the Left shoots itself in the foot so often by allowing in people who have Kook written all over them.

Have you seen some of the crazies that show up to protests lately?

From Che Guevera fans to Holocaust deniers. LaRaza. Stalinists. Maoists. Truthers. Anarchists. Not to mention the obese women who like to go topless.

They honestly give people with legit gripes a bad name.

[The Silver Shadow]

But fortunately, in the spirit of the age-old truth that you can't be a dumbass if you're in the movies, the festival has gotten an endorsement from Kris Kristofferson (http://www.protest.no/default.aspx?m=21).
Kristofferson is part of the inside job as seen from the 1989 film "Millennium"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_%28film%29

[Horatius]

Kristofferson is part of the inside job as seen from the 1989 film "Millennium"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_%28film%29





Ah, Millennium....My friends still hate me for making them watch that....I have a soft spot for cheezy sci-fi...

[dudalb]

Have you seen some of the crazies that show up to protests lately?

From Che Guevera fans to Holocaust deniers. LaRaza. Stalinists. Maoists. Truthers. Anarchists. Not to mention the obese women who like to go topless.

They honestly give people with legit gripes a bad name.

Yeah,I have noted the wackjob quota going up on street demonstrations.
I am convinced that one of ther reason's the Militant Left in the USA seldom gets anywhere politically is that they have totally lost the ability to appeall to Mainstream America. THey constanly indulge in behavior which is guaranteed to make 90% of the people who see it write them off as kooks.
But I guess it is more fun to play at being a Sixties radical then actually do the hard work necessary to win people over to your point of view.
I strongly suspect a reason is that the leadership of the US Left seems to be incredibly ingrown,and centered around the University scene...and you cannot find a area more isolated from the real world then your typical university campus. They spend all their time with other activists,and have totally lost the ability to communciate with anybody else.

[TjW]

Yeah,I have noted the wackjob quota going up on street demonstrations.
I am convinced that one of ther reason's the Militant Left in the USA seldom gets anywhere politically is that they have totally lost the ability to appeall to Mainstream America. THey constanly indulge in behavior which is guaranteed to make 90% of the people who see it write them off as kooks.
But I guess it is more fun to play at being a Sixties radical then actually do the hard work necessary to win people over to your point of view.
I strongly suspect a reason is that the leadership of the US Left seems to be incredibly ingrown,and centered around the University scene...and you cannot find a area more isolated from the real world then your typical university campus. They spend all their time with other activists,and have totally lost the ability to communciate with anybody else.

Well, I suppose if your identity is primarily composed of not being Mainstream, then the ability to communicate or persuade would be counterproductive.

[Foolmewunz]

Dylan has retracted his previous statement about Sunday's profits.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=12656&view=findpost&p=14410975

He apparently meant to say "All the profits", but doesn't explain why he made such an egregious error. He also carefully(IMHO) says "profits", and not "gate" or "ticket sales".

Anyone want to take a crash course in Hollywood Accountancy 101? Wanna bet there are no profits to disburse?

dylan avery Posted: Aug 15 2007, 11:27 AM


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QUOTE (kghjf @ Aug 15 2007, 03:55 PM)
We are change are advertising the event saying all profits are going to first responders and victims families.
What is the actual situation?


All profits.

My mistake, "kghjf"

Was 4 consecutive posts really necessary? How about an actual handle, instead of just banging randomly on the keyboard?



Is KGHF a JREFer?

[R.Mackey]

Anyone want to take a crash course in Hollywood Accountancy 101? Wanna bet there are no profits to disburse?





Is KGHF a JREFer?

I have no idea who KJGHF (or whatever) is, or whether she posts here, and I generally look down on the practice of antagonistic sock-puppetry.

However, it would have been a lot funnier if she signed up as "The Producers." :p

[qarnos]

I think there are going to be some very disappointed truthers on 9/11, judging by how many people they think will show (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?act=ST&f=3&t=7103&mode=show&st=).

Unfortunately, the poll has no option for <500 so I didn't vote.

[Horatius]

I think there are going to be some very disappointed truthers on 9/11, judging by how many people they think will show (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?act=ST&f=3&t=7103&mode=show&st=).

Unfortunately, the poll has no option for <500 so I didn't vote.



Oh my science! So far, more that 80% voted for the 5000 and up options, with almost 53% voting for the 15000 and up option....and there's at least one (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7103&view=findpost&p=13068857) who seems to complain that there's no option to vote for an even higher number than that....

Did we really need more proof that these guys are just completely out of touch with reality?

[DGM]

I think there are going to be some very disappointed truthers on 9/11, judging by how many people they think will show (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?act=ST&f=3&t=7103&mode=show&st=).

Unfortunately, the poll has no option for <500 so I didn't vote.
The count will easily be more than 10K. Of course the survey doesn't ask anything about the number of "truthers".

[Foolmewunz]

Update on the scads of money We Are Change are going to raise.

It's The Weekend that they've been aiming towards, and if I only had Bobby Rosengarden here, I'd ask for .....

Drumroll Please..... We've raised..... $3,715 in over a month. We're well on our way to our target of a hundred grand!

http://wearechange.chipin.com/91107-event

[BigAl]

I think the fact it's in NYC may be part of the problem. There is a much better chance there that a random person either:

Was an eyewitness.
Knows an eyewitness.
Knew a victim.
Volunteered in the cleanup.
Knows someone who volunteered in the cleanup

I'll add
knows NY Fireman or another first responder, or three, not that they are not also eyewitnesses. It does give one a different perspective.

[jon]

comment from the donation page:

You're not the only one to chippin mate, but I tell ya, the Americans r gonna have to grow some balls or somethin cos the amount raised sucks! I can tell ya, in Belfast, we're ready ta kick some NWO ...

I'll personally pledge a dollar if someone on the rally carries an 'americans, grow some balls' placard :D

[Alferd_Packer]

comment from the donation page:



I'll personally pledge a dollar if someone on the rally carries an 'americans, grow some balls' placard :D

Such a placard would be offensive to the "Association for Americans afflicted with Elephantitis," and would not be allowed.

[Good Lt]

Day 1 and 2- 54 RSVP's
Day 3-56 RSVP's
Day 4-111 RSVP's
Day 5-97 RSVP's

At this rate, real life might break out at any moment in the vast infinite seas of Twoofer Nation.

Did the NWO preempt them? :j1:

[Good Lt]

I'll personally pledge a dollar if someone on the rally carries an 'americans, grow some balls' placard

I'll personally pledge a dollar if they substitute "Americans" with "Glue sniffing Troofers" and "balls" with "brain cells."

[jon]

Such a placard would be offensive to the "Association for Americans afflicted with Elephantitis," and would not be allowed.

Fair point - would "in Belfast, they're ready ta kick some NWO" do as an alternative?