Les Jamieson: MN bridge collapse proof of 9/11 inside job!

[Gravy]

The epic, mind-blowing stupidity of the NY 911 Truth leader continues. This is from a mass email sent by Jamieson.

A BRIDGE FALLS IN MINNEAPOLIS

There are several important points we should note about the collapse of the bridge in Minneapolis earlier this week. Notice that the concrete didn't pulverize into fine dust as the bridge fell 60 ft to the water below. It fell and then remained in huge chunks. Look at any picture showing the first few seconds of the trade towers collapsing and there are tons of pulverized concrete, debris, and pieces of steel girders being ejected up and out. This is key evidence that explosives were used.

[parky76]

Moron..moron...moron. Did I say that Les is a moron yet? Cause he is.

See what happens when people from other parts of the USA move to NYC? We get more morons in the mix. Native New Yorkers are an endangered species and we need to be protected.

[T.A.M.]

OMG...I could say so much more, but Les is much better at showing others his stupidity...lets just read it again...lol

TAM:)

[Boone 870]

I wonder if truthers understand the difference between non reinforced concrete slabs and steel reinforced concrete bridge decks. Or maybe they just choose not to so that they keep on going with their woo fantasies.

[Miss Anthrope]

O.

M.

G.

[T.A.M.]

I hope they keep Les on as one of the movements leaders...he makes our jobs so much easier.

TAM:)

[defaultdotxbe]

I wonder if truthers understand the difference between non reinforced concrete slabs and steel reinforced concrete bridge decks. Or maybe they just choose not to so that they keep on going with their woo fantasies.
i was wondering if they knew the difference between 60 feet and 1300 feet

[T.A.M.]

I wonder if truthers understand the difference between non reinforced concrete slabs and steel reinforced concrete bridge decks. Or maybe they just choose not to so that they keep on going with their woo fantasies.

I wonder if Les understands the difference between a 60 foot drop and a 1300 foot drop?

TAM:)

damn, you beat me to it, and our wording was near identical...coincidence...or are we the same debunkbot...lol

TAM;)

[Miss Anthrope]

Or the difference between 1 and 2.

[defaultdotxbe]

damn, you beat me to it, and our wording was near identical...coincidence...or are we the same debunkbot...lol

TAM;)
nah, we just got the same nWo memo

[T.A.M.]

well remind me to spice it up a little next time or the truthers will catch on that we all get the same DX-124 Form each week.

TAM;)

[JamesB]

Hmm, so how much gypsum wallboard was crushed in the collapse?

[pomeroo]

Gary Popkin hosts Les Jamieson promoting a NYC ballot initiative demanding--guess what?--a new investigation:

http://www.geocities.com/HardfireTV/

[Gravy]

The goddamned jackass is claiming that there was no investigation until 14 months after the attacks.

Great to see his lies getting more air time.

[NickUK]

If I post that "Every time I think the truth movement can't get any more stupid, they go one better" it'll be the 4th time I've done so on this board.

So I won't.

But it's true - every time.

[Unfit4Command]

Gary Popkin hosts Les Jamieson promoting a NYC ballot initiative demanding--guess what?--a new investigation:

http://www.geocities.com/HardfireTV/

I watched that a few days ago. I can't believe Jamieson was on Hardfire again after your with him debate in July last year.

[Dog Town]

Nice to see the Big G, W/the gloves off! You too TAM! profanity removed

[pomeroo]

The goddamned jackass is claiming that there was no investigation until 14 months after the attacks.

Great to see his lies getting more air time.



The twoofer host couldn't make the show. Gary had to fill-in at the last minute.

[LashL]

The twoofer host couldn't make the show. Gary had to fill-in at the last minute.

So, the scheduled host was a tinhatter like Jamieson?

In any event, giving tinhatters a platform to spew their BS without inviting any intelligent person to respond to it is just wrong.

[bje]

The epic, mind-blowing stupidity of the NY 911 Truth leader continues. This is from a mass email sent by Jamieson.


Poor Les. Wait till he figures out where his logic takes him (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2825270&postcount=74).

[T.A.M.]

Nice to see the Big G, W/the gloves off! You too TAM! profanity removed

Damn Dog...you went and got yourself a Yellow Card.

Make sure you are less aggressive in the second half of the game man.

TAM;)

[Civilized Worm]

The twoofer host couldn't make the show. Gary had to fill-in at the last minute.


I don't suppose that that twoofer host would be prepared to do a show with Mark as his guest?

[jaydeehess]

1100+ feet - 60 feet
very low frequency dynamic loads of a high rise building - pounding sharp dynamic loads of a multi lane bridge
tall structure - long horizontal structure
multi ton aircraft impact - normal rush hour loads
office furnishings and drywall - no furnishings or drywall

[A W Smith]

A BRIDGE FALLS IN MINNEAPOLIS

There are several important points we should note about the collapse of the bridge in Minneapolis earlier this week. Notice that the concrete didn't pulverize into fine dust as the bridge fell 60 ft to the water below. It fell and then remained in huge chunks. Look at any picture showing the first few seconds of the trade towers collapsing and there are tons of pulverized concrete, debris, and pieces of steel girders being ejected up and out. This is key evidence that explosives were used

a message to Les 'press for ignorance" Jamison. did you notice there was not 109 bridges above the one that collapsed?

[nicepants]

Gary Popkin hosts Les Jamieson promoting a NYC ballot initiative demanding--guess what?--a new investigation:

http://www.geocities.com/HardfireTV/

Les Jamieson's new commission would be:

Dr. Edgar Mitchell
Dr. William Pepper
Lincoln Chaffey
Lori Van Awken (sp)
Thomas Gumbelton
Ed Asner
Not making this up: A Mohawk Tribal member by the name of "Splitting the Sky"
In other words, they tried to pick a bunch of twoofers that we might not recognize, however quick google searches on a few of the names revealed very outspoken truthers.

[The_Animus]

Wow. I think that if the CT's were forced to defend the official story in a debate for an entire week, like switching places with the JREF'ers, gathering evidence and using logic to prove there is no 9/11 conspiracy, at the end of the week they would realize how incredibly carried away they were.

[nicepants]

From the petition http://nyc911initiative.org/PetitionFinal-01.pdf

Commission members will be paid a base annual salary of $112,500, plus up to $20,000 per year in expenses.

Wow...twoof pays pretty well.

ETA: That's $112,500 EACH

[pomeroo]

I don't suppose that that twoofer host would be prepared to do a show with Mark as his guest?



If Mark wants to spread his vicious truths, insidious facts, venomous, thoroughly researched evidence, and absolutely correct but terribly inconvenient interpretation of the events of 9/11, I'm afraid he's stuck with me.

[nicepants]

The epic, mind-blowing stupidity of the NY 911 Truth leader continues. This is from a mass email sent by Jamieson.

I guess Alex Jones hasn't gotten wind of this yet...

Any comparison between bridge collapses and giant steel skyscrapers is manifestly absurd


http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/020807bridgecollapse.htm

Now I want to hear Les Jamieson go on the Alex Jones Show!

[Alferd_Packer]

I guess Alex Jones hasn't gotten wind of this yet...




http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/020807bridgecollapse.htm

Now I want to hear Les Jamieson go on the Alex Jones Show!


from that "article:"

The debunkers were notably silent in February 2005 when the 32-story Windsor Building in Madrid was gutted by intense fires for 28 hours but did not collapse, yet they all attack in unison whenever a structure wholly incomparable to the twin towers meets its demise, attempting to use it as evidence that the WTC and Building 7, which wasn't hit by a plane, could have collapsed at free fall speed without the aid of explosives.




Stupid is as stupid does.

[HyJinX]

I'm posting this link in this forum because the writer of the article starts off by mentioning the collapse of the bridge. He then goes on to describe his particular interactions with conspiracy theorists with regards to physics. This article is also posted over on Conspiracy Smasher's blog. It's a good read if you have a few minutes.

I apologize if I should have posted this article elsewhere.

http://www.counterpunch.org/garcia08042007.html

HyJinX

[Gravy]

I'm posting this link in this forum because the writer of the article starts off by mentioning the collapse of the bridge. He then goes on to describe his particular interactions with conspiracy theorists with regards to physics. This article is also posted over on Conspiracy Smasher's blog. It's a good read if you have a few minutes.

I apologize if I should have posted this article elsewhere.

http://www.counterpunch.org/garcia08042007.html

HyJinXThat would be a good addition to the editorial section above, Jinxy.

[A W Smith]

From the petition http://nyc911initiative.org/PetitionFinal-01.pdf

Commission members will be paid a base annual salary of $112,500, plus up to $20,000 per year in expenses.

Wow...twoof pays pretty well.

ETA: That's $112,500 EACH
And thats part time:jaw-dropp

16.. The Commissioners and the NYCAG are not required to devote 100% or substantially all of their time to the work of the
Commission or NYCAG, and it is expected that Commissioners and the NYCAG will be able to continue with non-conflicting
activities including teaching, writing, consulting, Internet activities, and other.

[Brainster]

Another Denier makes a connection (http://www.nworeport.com/dictatorship.htm) between the bridge and the NWO:


Wednesday afternoon could have added even more woes to the White House. America's first and only Muslim congressman, Keith Ellison, appeared on CNN's Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer to discuss some scorching anti-Bush comments he had made on July 8 to constituents in Minneapolis, in which he had compared 9/11 to the Reichstag Fire, and George Bush to Adolph Hitler. In 1933 Hitler used the Reichstag Fire, carried out under his orders, to establish a dictatorship in Germany.

Ellison's analysis is accepted by most of the Muslim world, much of the non-Muslim world, and a growing minority of Americans. Rather than defend it, though, Ellison backed down with apologies in his interview with Blitzer, saying that his remarks were a "rookie mistake," never to be repeated.

Perhaps Ellison's retreat from his remarks was an attempt to stave off the disaster that frequently befalls those who disrupt the political paradigm. If so, it didn't work. Two hours after Ellison's mea culpa, his congressional district suffered a freak disaster with the collapse of the I-35 bridge into the Mississippi River.

[WildCat]

nvm

[Civilized Worm]

If Mark wants to spread his vicious truths, insidious facts, venomous, thoroughly researched evidence, and absolutely correct but terribly inconvenient interpretation of the events of 9/11, I'm afraid he's stuck with me.


And yet you have no problem having them present their arguements on your shows.

Funny that.

[NYCEMT86]

See what happens when people from other parts of the USA move to NYC? We get more morons in the mix. Native New Yorkers are an endangered species and we need to be protected.


I second that!

[boloboffin]

And yet you have no problem having them present their arguements on your shows.

Funny that.

He doesn't present them unchallenged.

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Les would believe that Newton's apple was setup by explosives to hit Newton on the head.

Les is a paranoid schizonphrentic!

[Gravy]

And yet you have no problem having them present their arguements on your shows.

Funny that.Ron is an occasional host of Hardfire, not its producer. He has invited the truthers on in order to expose their lies, and has been extremely successful at doing so, IMO.

[EventHorizon]

The epic, mind-blowing stupidity of the NY 911 Truth leader continues. This is from a mass email sent by Jamieson.

Wow! Can mass e-mails be nominated for Stundies?

[Gravy]

Wow! Can mass e-mails be nominated for Stundies?
Absolutely, and welcome to the forums.

[LashL]

He doesn't present them unchallenged.

Ron is an occasional host of Hardfire, not its producer. He has invited the truthers on in order to expose their lies, and has been extremely successful at doing so, IMO.

I took Civilized Worm's point to be that the troofer host won't dare have Gravy on his show because the troofer host is afraid of a challenge, and that Ron does not hesitate to have troofers on his show because Ron is not afraid to challenge them.

In other words, I think that CW's point was a tip of the hat to Ron, not the other way around. I could, of course, be wrong, but that's the way I took it.

[Gravy]

Oh, I believe you're right. My apologies to CW.

[Ducky]

Uhm. Ok I was there. Not during the collapse, but afterward. I took water and food to the workers and families of missing.

There certainly is a bit of dust that was all over, you can see it in the video fo the collapse CNN was playing. (eta) Of course it wasn't on teh same level as the twin towers, because it was one 8 lane bridge. not 104 of them built vertically. But some concrete did pulverize, and dust did get ejected, and iron girders were bent all to hell.

Though, his stupidity aside, I am relieved he isn't saying it was some sort of CT that the bridge collapsed.

[boloboffin]

I took Civilized Worm's point to be that the troofer host won't dare have Gravy on his show because the troofer host is afraid of a challenge, and that Ron does not hesitate to have troofers on his show because Ron is not afraid to challenge them.

In other words, I think that CW's point was a tip of the hat to Ron, not the other way around. I could, of course, be wrong, but that's the way I took it.

I usually get dry humor better than that. Doink!

[T.A.M.]

Update (well a couple of weeks old):

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2004126619_webbridgereport15.html

Imagine, a design flaw, not the NWO responsible. Who'd a thunk it?

TAM:)

[Newtons Bit]

Update (well a couple of weeks old):

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2004126619_webbridgereport15.html

Imagine, a design flaw, not the NWO responsible. Who'd a thunk it?

TAM:)

Shear connection failures are bad. Bad bad bad bad. If the Engineer of Record for this bridge wasn't likely already dead, he'd have lost his liscense.

[Myriad]

Rosenker zeroed in on 16 gusset plates that he said investigators found to be fractured. These 16 were paired in eight "nodes" concentrated in the bridge's main center span, he said.


Cover-up! The probability of 16 gusset plates all failing at the same moment after standing for decades is so remote as to be unimaginable!

Also, the energy to fail the gusset plates must come from the conversion of potential energy of the falling bridge span. But, the span cannot begin to move while the gusset plates are still intact, so there is no converted potential energy to break the gusset plates. It's impossible for gusset plates to fail that way!

Respectfully,
Myriad

[ElMondoHummus]

The story TAM links suggests that the gusset plates should be around an inch think instead of the half-inch they were. Did they have to redo the load calculations to figure this out? Because I noticed that the article talked about visual inspections, and I'd guess that the fact there were half inch plates installed would've caught someone's attention, had they known they were supposed to be an inch think. Because of that that, the only reasonable conclusion I can come to is that no one knew that those plates needed to be thicker until someone revisited the original plans.

Is that a reasonable conclusion?

[A W Smith]

Interesting


In the NTSB report, Rosenker also spoke in detail about a "significant amount of weight" that was added to the 40-year-old bridge during two major upgrades. The bridge's weight was increased by a thickening of the pavement, installing rails on the sides and adding a median strip.
The weight from those upgrades brought the "margins of safety down to where they didn't exist anymore

[uk_dave]

Did they investigate the possibility that it was hit by a tsunami?