LC yearns for societal meltdown

[Lurker]

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=13407

In reading this thread at Loose Change, I was struck by how much they yearn for some sort of Mad Max future for the US. Clearly they are not content with Bush stepping down and some other political group assuming power. They practically salivate at the prospect of civilization teetering on the brink of disaster.

I wonder why that is? Do they see our society as so bad that it is beyond redemption? Do they see the chaos as a way of leveling the playing field between them and their more successful citizens? Is it just teenage melodrama after watching the sci-fi channel too long?

It is kind of humorous how they seem to think they would do well in a post-apocalypse US. As if their natterings on Loose Change would prepare them in any way for survival. They clearly don't realize how good they have it despite their political concerns about the NWO/US. I doubt they could last more than a short while without the niceties that civilization has provided them.

Yet they continue wishing for the world to end...

Come the end of the year when yet another of their predictions passes by unfulfilled will they just add a digit to their predictions and make them applicable to 2008?

Lurker

[JAStewart]

The only meltdown they give me is my brain. It can't cope with the illogicalities.

[T.A.M.]

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=13407

In reading this thread at Loose Change, I was struck by how much they yearn for some sort of Mad Max future for the US. Clearly they are not content with Bush stepping down and some other political group assuming power. They practically salivate at the prospect of civilization teetering on the brink of disaster.

I wonder why that is? Do they see our society as so bad that it is beyond redemption? Do they see the chaos as a way of leveling the playing field between them and their more successful citizens? Is it just teenage melodrama after watching the sci-fi channel too long?

It is kind of humorous how they seem to think they would do well in a post-apocalypse US. As if their natterings on Loose Change would prepare them in any way for survival. They clearly don't realize how good they have it despite their political concerns about the NWO/US. I doubt they could last more than a short while without the niceties that civilization has provided them.

Yet they continue wishing for the world to end...

Come the end of the year when yet another of their predictions passes by unfulfilled will they just add a digit to their predictions and make them applicable to 2008?

Lurker


This is what I have labeled the TMF (Truther "Matrix" Fantasy). Most of the truthers, the younger ones especially, envision, even desire and as you have said, long for, a world that is post or near post apocalyptic in nature. Sort of a post industrial "Mad Max" world, as you have said, where anarchy rules, and it is each teenager for himself...no more authority, no more "big brother" no more of "the man".

TAM:)

[Brainster]

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=13407

In reading this thread at Loose Change, I was struck by how much they yearn for some sort of Mad Max future for the US. Clearly they are not content with Bush stepping down and some other political group assuming power. They practically salivate at the prospect of civilization teetering on the brink of disaster.

I wonder why that is? Do they see our society as so bad that it is beyond redemption? Do they see the chaos as a way of leveling the playing field between them and their more successful citizens? Is it just teenage melodrama after watching the sci-fi channel too long?

When you're at the bottom of the ladder, a big shake-up in the social order doesn't sound so bad; you can't slip much lower. Or as the song Young Man Blues put it:

You know in the old days, when a young man was a strong man, all the people, they stepped back when a young man walked by....

ETA: That is a classic thread over at LCF!

[Lurker]

ETA: That is a classic thread over at LCF!

I take it you chuckled at the cans of tuna idea?

Come 2008 these troothers are gonna be eating a lot of tuna. :)

I bet the reality is that many of the troothers will post they agree that all hell will break loose within a couple of months and will nod their head in agreement with the ideas people post on how to prepare but most won't do a single thing. Not because they don't believe it, but because they are just too damn lazy to actually do anything.

Lurker

[Horatius]

These guys are just amazing....


As I was reading this thread the TeeVee was humming in the background, normally I don't even lookup at it, however, I saw a PA from HomeLandSecurity, have never seen that before. In the spot were children in a car asking if you have a plan in case of a terrorist attack? Whooa, I backed up the DVR and also saw a website: http://www.ready.gov went to the site and get this, they state that September is "National Preparedness Month", videos and check list ... the whole nine yards, and a very slick presentation I might add.



Why ever would someone decide that September should be National Preparedness Month, wherein citizens are encouraged to consider their plans in case of a terrorist attack?

The idea itself might be pretty lame, but why act all surprised that they chose September?

[VespaGuy]

Just one more parallel between the truthers and religious cults. These guys are starting to sound more and more like Rapture Ready. When the next date passes with no revolution, they'll just pick another future date and focus on that. This way they get to play pretend forever without actually ever having to move from behind their monitor.

[Lurker]

Heh, heh, a classic line from that thread.

Sleepy thinks all hell will break loose and money will be worthless and plans on hoarding silver as well as the food, water routine. Then he lets loose with this gem:


When I saw you [Dylan Avery] at ground zero last year, i should have asked for your autograph, its going to be worth big bucks soon

:o

[T.A.M.]

I take it you chuckled at the cans of tuna idea?

Come 2008 these troothers are gonna be eating a lot of tuna. :)

I bet the reality is that many of the troothers will post they agree that all hell will break loose within a couple of months and will nod their head in agreement with the ideas people post on how to prepare but most won't do a single thing. Not because they don't believe it, but because they are just too damn lazy to actually do anything.

Lurker

I think the reason they won't do anything is (A) they want to believe in it, but deep down, they still know their theories are mostly weak, and (B) they don't have the guts or courage to go through with anything they blab on about.

TAM:)

[VespaGuy]

From the LCF thread: Emphasis mine.


I need extra locks for my doors now, and some silver, and more water and food will be bought everyday.

What's with the silver? Will there be werewolves after the revolution?

[T.A.M.]

silver is easy for a teen to get (not that expensive) but will be valuable when the big TMF (Truther "Matrix" Fantasy) comes to fruition. When the revolution occurs, and anarchy reigns, paper money will be useless, and silver and gold will be the new currency...lol

TAM:)

[GlennB]

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=13407

.... They practically salivate at the prospect of civilization teetering on the brink of disaster.

I wonder why that is? ...

Because social meltdown will save them the embarrassment of failing to get a job when they leave high school ?

[Horatius]

I liked the suggestion to sneak food and whatnot into the attics of relatives who don't believe in the TMF. I can just see it now, "Son, what in the hell are you doing with all that tuna? Is this some new teenage freaky stuff?"

[Lurker]

When the revolution occurs, and anarchy reigns, paper money will be useless, and silver and gold will be the new currency.


Silver, gold, and Dylan Avery autographs you mean. Right?

Lurker

[AlanGreenspan]

They've been announcing this "imminent" catastrophic quite a time already ... don't they get tired of being wrong? The only difference i see now is that they are pretty convinced that Dylan's third (?) attempt at "the truth" will be the catalyst of this revolution or whatever they call it.

[Lurker]

I liked the suggestion to sneak food and whatnot into the attics of relatives who don't believe in the TMF. I can just see it now, "Son, what in the hell are you doing with all that tuna? Is this some new teenage freaky stuff?"

I see some of the more dimwitted LCF inhabitants not using canned foods.

Lurker

[T.A.M.]

They remind me of the televangilists that come on every sunday morning, claiming armogeddon is around the corner....lol

TAM:)

[kookbreaker]

Yeah, the Mad Max apocalypse is all fun and games until someone realises how much they miss running water and toilet paper.

[AlanGreenspan]

I wonder what will their reaction will be on january 2008 when everything will still be the same.

I guess they'll come up with another silly "idea" of how the government is secretly suppressing the revolution without anyone noticing.

[Horatius]

I wonder what will their reaction will be on january 2008 when everything will still be the same.

I guess they'll come up with another silly "idea" of how the government is secretly suppressing the revolution without anyone noticing.



Don't worry, they've already got their excuses mapped out. From the thread on "Will the election be cancelled (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=13430&view=findpost&p=14339248)":



THis was my belief even before I knew 9/11 was an inside job, so yea I'm expecting it.

The only possibility that this will NOT happen, in my eyes, is that Bush truly is ONLY a puppet to the NWO, and they specifically plan to put someone else (another puppet) into that seat, and they have a democrat and a republican in mind for the position.

So yea either way we're screwed. 9/11 Truth going mainstream and causing massive political change is the only way of stopping this.

[Shrinker]

I wouldn't be so hard on them. I used to wish for societal breakdown when I had too much homework.

Perhaps somebody could ask them why, if the collapse of law and order sounds so appealing, their ideological leaders don't seem very keen on going to Iraq.

[nicepants]

When the next date passes with no revolution, they'll just pick another future date and focus on that. This way they get to play pretend forever without actually ever having to move from behind their monitor.

I got confused....are you talking about the upcoming revolution, or the LCFC release date? :)

[jsiv]

I wonder why that is?


I didn't read any of the other replies, but the answer is quite simple.


They're rebellious teens.


The ten adults in the movement, well, they're just loons.

[Hellbound]

Step 1: Release Loose Change: The Final Cut (and we really mean it this time).
Step 2: Stuff
Step 3: Revolution occurrs, the world becomes permanently overcast, and I gain "Neo's" super-powers.

I think they're missing some detail in step 2...

ETA: <-- I'm already prepared, check the avatar!

[Lurker]

I didn't read any of the other replies, but the answer is quite simple.


They're rebellious teens.

Damn those rebellious teens!

Lurker (hides leather jacket and combat boots in back of closet)

[jaydeehess]

Yeah, the Mad Max apocalypse is all fun and games until someone realises how much they miss running water and toilet paper.

Not to mention electricity and communications networks. OMG the computer would be just a large paperweight or boat anchor.

No, scratch that. A computer would not make a good boat anchor unles one filled it with concrete.

The survivalist movement was big in the 80's with people preparing fo rthe imminent breakdown of society. Storing up canned goods and other items that would be valuable in an anarchy was all the rage. Personnaly I thought gold and silver were stupid. Store bandages, multi-vitamins, Hydrogen peroxide, canned corn, canned beans and dry pasta and you'd be set. Back then I was in my twenties and still was never persuaded that this apocolypse was coming.

Now who else yearns for a revolution,,,, hmmm, oh yeah,, white supremacist groups who want to model the country in their own fashion. Are there any white supremacists in the TM?

[jsiv]

Damn those rebellious teens!

Lurker (hides leather jacket and combat boots in back of closet)


The trucks are coming to round you all up.

[Drudgewire]

silver is easy for a teen to get (not that expensive) but will be valuable when the big TMF (Truther "Matrix" Fantasy) comes to fruition. When the revolution occurs, and anarchy reigns, paper money will be useless, and silver and gold will be the new currency...lol

TAM:)
And that's the more rational answer. I was assuming they meant something like THIS (http://www.utopiasilver.com/products/silver/). :boggled:

[Lurker]

The trucks are coming to round you all up.

to take me to the FEMA internment camp, right?

Lurker

[jsiv]

to take me to the FEMA internment camp, right?


We prefer to refer to them as Happy Camps.

[GT/CS]

They're rebellious teens.


The ten adults in the movement, well, they're just loons.

It just can't be said any better than this!

[Hellbound]

Even better, store books.

Books on logging and wood-working. Books on masonry. Books on pottery. A good set of encyclopedias. Books on how to make various tools. Books on smelting. Books on botany and zoology, including books outlining the medicianal properties of various plants: what makes a good antiseptic, what's a painlkiller, what makes a good bandage. Books on weaving and tailoring. Books on chemistry and making simple firearms. Books on archery and bowcraft. Books on wilderness survival and trapping. Books on animal husbandry. Books on farming. Books on blacksmithing. Books on simple electrical devices, including how to make simple muscle-driven or waterwheel driven generators...along with some rechargable hand-held radios.

You'd only need canned food for a short time, long enough to get settled and start hunting, trapping, and farming the rest. You could sell your knowledge for a LOT more than any physical items, as well as securing continual income.

In a post-apocolyptic world, silver and gold won't be worth much when you're sick and starving. The real money is in consulting ;)

[Drudgewire]

In a post-apocolyptic world, silver and gold won't be worth much when you're sick and starving.
Yeah, as far as metals go in a post-apocolyptic world the ones to have are brass and lead... as in "ammunition."

[Hellbound]

Yeah, as far as metals go in a post-apocolyptic world the ones to have are brass and lead... as in "ammunition."

Or bronze, copper, and iron, as in "make tools needed to actually survive at more than a subsitance hunter-gatherer level"

Besides, you can use loose rocks for ammunition...:D

Although, with a simple power source (chmical batteries or a simple generator) you could use the silver and gold to "plate" items, to make them more resistant to rust and tarnishing. Still, wouldn't be worth as much as it is now, I wouldn't think. Unless you're a truther and have no concept of the necessities of survival.

Hmmm, maybe we do need that upheaval...

[Horatius]

Even better, store books.

Books .... Books .... Books .... ..encyclopedias...Books ... Books ... Books ... books .... Books .... Books ... Books .... Books ... Books ...Books ... Books .... Books ...






I think I've spotted the flaw in your plan, when applied to twoofers.


Can we get all of that on YouTube?

[Drudgewire]

Or bronze, copper, and iron, as in "make tools needed to actually survive at more than a subsitance hunter-gatherer level"

Besides, you can use loose rocks for ammunition...:D
Man, I've yet to find a bullet that my Glock won't take... but I'm betting ones made of rock could present issues. ;)

[Hellbound]

LOL Horatius.

For truthers:

Books on how to read...books on simple arithmatic...several copies of "How to be a Lackey to Evil Post-Apocolyptic Overlords Because You're Utterly Worthless on Your Own for Dummies."

[Hellbound]

Drudgewire: I was thinking more along the lines of paper-cartridge muzzle-loaders. Save the good cartridge weapons for real emergencies, or until you have enough in the way of tools and chemistry to make aditional ammo or reload what you have.

Oddly enough, I bet you could make a Glock round using some cladding and loose shot in the cartridge. Wouldn't be long-range or penetrate well, and would foul up your rifleing something fierce, but I bet it'd work. In fact, you could likely make sabots of simple, malleable substances (melted plastic, mud(?), etc) to fire smaller-than-the-bore rough-cut projectiles, as well. It'd just need to last long enough to clear the muzzle.

[Drudgewire]

For truthers:

Books on how to read...books on simple arithmatic...several copies of "How to be a Lackey to Evil Post-Apocolyptic Overlords Because You're Utterly Worthless on Your Own for Dummies."
The Church of the Subgenius teaches you have the following on hand for post-Doomsday.

1. Guns
2. Ammunition. Everyone remembers guns but once production plants are down they're all worthless without the bullets.
3. Dried food and bottled water. We're talking tonnage.
4. Crack... lots of crack. To keep your minions in line and insure unquestioned loyalty.
5. LSD... lots of LSD. To keep yourself psychotic, which is necessary to be a great leader.

:)

[Sabrina]

I think THIS is my favorite.

I've had occasional precognitive dreams throughout my life. A few nights ago I dreamed I was about 50-60 miles outside of a big city on the plains, looking at three mushroom clouds over that city. It could have been Dallas. I am not sure what city it was, but it was where you can see a long ways off because there are no forests and it's mostly flat. The clouds were not from H-bombs, they were too small, they had to be A-bombs. Of course they wouldn't have needed three H-bombs to destroy whatever city it was.


Yes, that's right suzuko, just because what you've dreamed in the past (likely something silly like what you got served for lunch in the lunch line at school) has happened, your dream of a nuclear attack will happen. Yeah. Riiiiiiiiighhhtt.....

I do notice though, there's no blame assigned in this dream; who dropped the figurative bombs? 'Cause you know, there are a LOT of other countries that have nukes. We aren't the only ones in the world, and trust me, our security isn't infalliable.

[In My Spare Time]

THis was my belief even before I knew 9/11 was an inside job, so yea I'm expecting it.

The only possibility that this will NOT happen, in my eyes, is that Bush truly is ONLY a puppet to the NWO, and they specifically plan to put someone else (another puppet) into that seat, and they have a democrat and a republican in mind for the position.

So yea either way we're screwed. 9/11 Truth going mainstream and causing massive political change is the only way of stopping this.
Getting tempted to create an ID over there to insist that Ron Paul is also a puppet of the NWO infiltrating the political wing of their movement and setting them up for failure when the movement goes mainstream. Would it be minutes or seconds before I was banned?

[Corsair 115]

Yeah, the Mad Max apocalypse is all fun and games until someone realises how much they miss running water and toilet paper.To quote the Gyro Captain: "Lingerie. Remember lingerie?"

[Sabrina]

I put my money on minutes; they're gullible enough to believe you for a second before "coming to their senses" (inasmuch as they CAN, since they have so little).

ETA: This was in response to In My Spare Time; sorry, should have quoted it.

[Horatius]

I think THIS is my favorite.



Yes, that's right suzuko, just because what you've dreamed in the past (likely something silly like what you got served for lunch in the lunch line at school) has happened, your dream of a nuclear attack will happen. Yeah. Riiiiiiiiighhhtt.....




I also like the two or three others who pipe up with their own precog dreams, and the fact that no one else seems to call them on it.


It's been said before: Scratch a woo, find more woo.

[Corsair 115]

The clouds were not from H-bombs, they were too small, they had to be A-bombs. Of course they wouldn't have needed three H-bombs to destroy whatever city it was. Whoever wrote that obviously doesn't know what the A and H stand for. H-bombs, a.k.a. hydrogen bombs, a.k.a. thermonuclear bombs, are vastly more powerful than A-bombs, a.k.a. atomic bombs.

[Minadin]

Whoever wrote that obviously doesn't know what the A and H stand for. H-bombs, a.k.a. hydrogen bombs, a.k.a. thermonuclear bombs, are vastly more powerful than A-bombs, a.k.a. atomic bombs.

I think that's what they are trying to say: The explosions in their dream were too small to be from H-bombs so they must have therefore been from A-bombs. At least that is how I read it.

[NYCEMT86]

My favorite quote


Sleepy2k16: I try to tell my dad and grandparents but they wont listen.


After reading that thread, it seems like a moronic modern twist of Lord of the Flies

[Corsair 115]

I think that's what they are trying to say: The explosions in their dream were too small to be from H-bombs so they must have therefore been from A-bombs.Yes, I suppose it could be interpreted that way. My first reading interpreted it the other way, hence my post. It depends on whether one views "they were too small" as referring to the clouds or H-bombs. I interpreted it as referring to the latter.

The writing is vague enough to allow both interpretations.

[Civilized Worm]

Ironically if there were such a societal meltdown the twoofers would be the worst of as they can't function without internet access/


Just one more parallel between the truthers and religious cults. These guys are starting to sound more and more like Rapture Ready. When the next date passes with no revolution, they'll just pick another future date and focus on that. This way they get to play pretend forever without actually ever having to move from behind their monitor.


I was thinking the exact same thing.

[kookbreaker]

To quote the Gyro Captain: "Lingerie. Remember lingerie?"

Yeah, I was thinking about that line...GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!!

[jsiv]

Ironically if there were such a societal meltdown the twoofers would be the worst of as they can't function without internet access/


One LUCUS assured me that everything will be alright as long as we all pack a big ball of twine in our survival kit.

[strathmeyer]

If something stops me from playing Halo 3 by the end of the year I think I'm gonna start a riot. And I don't think I'm alone here.

[Lurker]

One LUCUS assured me that everything will be alright as long as we all pack a big ball of twine in our survival kit.

Oh yeah, that's right. My survival kit now includes:

1. Big ball of twine
2. Cans of tuna
3. Silver
4. Dylan Avery autograph

Bring on the apocalypse!

Lurker

[Corsair 115]

One LUCUS assured me that everything will be alright as long as we all pack a big ball of twine in our survival kit.Hmmm, I seem to recall someone saying a towel was the most important item...

[jsiv]

Hmmm, I seem to recall someone saying a towel was the most important item...


Yeah, but that guy didn't survive in the end.


LUCUS is still here with us.

[Reality Believer]

And then when the smoke clears, and all of the zombies are dead, it will be time for the twoofers to rebuild society.

They will need the basics: Food, water and shelter. Someone will emerge as a leader that can organize gathering parties to collect the needed materials. Some with handy skills will build the infrastructure. If people get organized and pool their collective skills to make life better, then a community of people will start to transition from survival, to just living a comfortable life. It might be a Gilligan's Island type of life, but hey, bamboo pipes never poisoned anyone.

There will be ,of course, a few rogue elements that don't want to do their part and make the society work. The leaders will have to establish some rules that the majority can agree are accepted norms of behavior, and anyone who breaks these rules will be subject to some kind of punitive punishment. The leader can appoint the enforcement agents of these rules and dole out the punishment accordingly.

Perhaps the rouges will be banished from society and be forced to live outside the borders of the Twoofer Town. They then could organize and forcibly raid the granaries of Twoofer Town. This will of course force the formation of a Twoofer militia to protect the food and women from raids.

And well, the reset is history ... literally.

[jsiv]

Someone will emerge as a leader that can organize gathering parties to collect the needed materials.


http://aftermathnews.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/dylan_sheen.jpg

[Drudgewire]

http://aftermathnews.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/dylan_sheen.jpg
"Hi. I'm not a Navy SEAL but I played one in a really, really horrible movie while coked out of my gord. In other words, I'm an expert... on... things. And stuff."

[Hokulele]

Oh yeah, that's right. My survival kit now includes:

1. Big ball of twine
2. Cans of tuna
3. Silver
4. Dylan Avery autograph

Bring on the apocalypse!

Lurker


Don't forget the non-electric can opener!


ETA: Picture a group of them sitting there, surrounded by cans of tuna, wondering how to get inside them.

[Björn Toulouse]

Amazing. I rarely lurk on LC but about a half hour ago I read 2 threads there, one of which is the one mentioned here. This is the other and they seem to go hand in hand:

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=13422

Then I decided to come to JREF and see if those threads had been spotted and they had. I chuckled too about the tuna, silver, dreams, and other prophetic alarms that "it's" all gonna go down in 2 months, tops, and the ever desperate call to arms, to "join" the revolution, the need for being able to communicate with one another when this big day comes.

I had a "vision" myself after reading those 2 threads. It was of the frustrated character Jonathan Winters played in The Russians are Coming, The Russians are Coming. As the chaos gradually increased when the locals thought they were being invaded, Winters kept clawing the air with both hands and growling, "we just gotta get organized!"

Oh, and one gem from the second thread:

Yes, and they have vastly underestimated us!

[jsiv]

Then I decided to come to JREF and see if those threads had been spotted and they had.


EVERY word they say is monitored by us. Infact, we have an entire department dedicated to surveilling the Loose Change Forum.

And a broom closet for the Pilots for Truth forum.

[Reality Believer]

Yes, and they have vastly underestimated us!

Never underestimate the power of the dark side. :alien007:

[Hellbound]

Yes, and they have vastly underestimated us!

Sorry, but without any evidence to the contrary, I don't believe it's possible to underestimate a troother.

[jsiv]

So much misunderestimation.

[steve s]

Ironically if there were such a societal meltdown the twoofers would be the worst of as they can't function without internet access/



And who would continue to manufacture iPods and iMacs? I'm sure they think Jobs and Apple will survive unscathed.

Steve S.

[steve s]

Yeah, the Mad Max apocalypse is all fun and games until someone realises how much they miss running water and toilet paper.

But dude, you get to wear football pads.

Steve S.

[Corsair 115]

But dude, you get to wear football pads.And drive really, really fast! And smash tanker trucks into other cars! What's not to like?

[Triterope]

The speculation about post-apocayptic Twoofer society is interesting. But you're all overlooking the Twoof movement's one fatal flaw that will inevitably lead to its extinction, no matter how well it adapts or how much power it attains. And I can sum that flaw up in two words.

No females.

[jab712]

If something stops me from playing Halo 3 by the end of the year I think I'm gonna start a riot. And I don't think I'm alone here.

If something stops Starcraft 2 from being released, I will riot with you!

[Alt+F4]

No females.

You forgot Dr. Judy.....oh, never mind.

[T.A.M.]

Truthers are the closest thing in real life to "The Flood" except they are more annoying, and less deadly.

TAM:)

[Hellbound]

Truthers are the closest thing in real life to "The Flood" except they are more annoying, and less deadly.

TAM:)

Like Tribbles!

Only they multiply less.

[Drudgewire]

You forgot Dr. Judy.....oh, never mind.
Or Rosie O... http://www.lethalwrestling.com/upload/doh.gif

[steve s]

The speculation about post-apocayptic Twoofer society is interesting. But you're all overlooking the Twoof movement's one fatal flaw that will inevitably lead to its extinction, no matter how well it adapts or how much power it attains. And I can sum that flaw up in two words.

No females.

Baloney!

http://ia.imdb.com/media/imdb/01/I/24/20/33/10p.jpg

Steve S.

[GwionX]

I think this "Twoofer condition" is an attempt of the young to procrastinate. to avoid meaningful endeavors and progress. It is fear. They can latch on to a perceived "crucially important subject" and let other subjects that are actually MORE important (and likely more difficult to understand) slip by the wayside.

Here is a video I have recently seen and would like to share..I haven't checked the validity of the claims made in this vid, but, for me, it instills a sense of urgency to learn.

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/video/shifthappens

[Reality Believer]

Truthers are the closest thing in real life to "The Flood" except they are more annoying, and less deadly.
TAM:)

I was thinking more along the lines of "Lord of the Flies"

[Brainster]

So I thought this was a pretty amusing thread, but perhaps we were being a bit unfair picking on the teenagers at LCF. Then Steven Jones posted this (http://www.911blogger.com/node/10460):

I get the question frequently: “WHEN will the big crunch come?” Today I received via email from 9/11 researcher Nila S. the following prediction: “brace yourselves: The next major False Flag op’s just round the corner... They must—and will—strike before September 11...”

Even a 30% likelihood is enough to get me going on preparing... What else can I say to persuade you to get to store up some food, water, and warm clothes (just a start)?

Of course, it's easy for him to say, he's a Mormon and already has a year's supply of food and water. And his recommendations are spelled better, but just as loopy:

5. A little money: greenbacks or silver. (I prefer silver rounds from a coin store. Which do you think will hold its value better over the long haul? Federal reserve notes/IOU’s or silver, gold?) Banks may close for awhile. Trading for what you need? Your neighbor has some antibiotic stored up (for some reason), and you have rope or silver coins to trade...

[Alferd_Packer]

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It is kind of humorous how they seem to think they would do well in a post-apocalypse US.


they are puny and weak. They will be the first to be eaten.*



*based on my expert opinion.

[NYCEMT86]

They want a revolution against the Government...to what start a new Government? But in the twoofers eyes, Government is bad because they start conspiracies...


Anybody else catch the irony in this?

[Cl1mh4224rd]

One LUCUS assured me that everything will be alright as long as we all pack a big ball of twine in our survival kit.


That's so we can rebuild the interwebs, right?

[T.A.M.]

They will be the first to be eaten.*



*based on my expert opinion.

Not likely, unless you bathe them after they wet their clothes...lol

TAM:)

[LashL]

http://aftermathnews.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/dylan_sheen.jpg

Every time I see that photograph, I notice that something is grossly out of proportion, and I am left with the same question about whether which one of their heads is out of proportion: is Dylan Avery's head too small for his body or is Charlie Sheen's head too large for his body?


Enquiring minds want to know.

[jaydeehess]

You forgot Dr. Judy.....oh, never mind.
Or Rosie......

They will just have to close their eyes and think of the future.(or a Playboy centerfold). For that matter Rosie will have to do the same.

Oh, they are both under 50 right?

[jaydeehess]

"Hi. I'm not a Navy SEAL but I played one in a really, really horrible movie while coked out of my gord. In other words, I'm an expert... on... things. And stuff."

"Apocalypse Now"? That was his papa wasn't it?

Charlie knows that he will look younger if he leans towards the camera while Dylan is unconcerned in that regard and is leaning back. This makes Sheen look so much bigger than the young pup.

[PhantomWolf]

Well while the ribbing is fun and all, I did recently see a photo from one of thier "truth" mets that had two rather nice looking young ladies wearing the black shirts and holding a sign. I was thinking of posting it with the caption "Reasons to join the Truth Movement." But I didn't, and now I can't recall where I found it. :(

[jaydeehess]

Even better, store books.

Books on logging and wood-working. Books on masonry. Books on pottery. A good set of encyclopedias. Books on how to make various tools. Books on smelting. Books on botany and zoology, including books outlining the medicianal properties of various plants: what makes a good antiseptic, what's a painlkiller, what makes a good bandage. Books on weaving and tailoring. Books on chemistry and making simple firearms. Books on archery and bowcraft. Books on wilderness survival and trapping. Books on animal husbandry. Books on farming. Books on blacksmithing. Books on simple electrical devices, including how to make simple muscle-driven or waterwheel driven generators...along with some rechargable hand-held radios.

You'd only need canned food for a short time, long enough to get settled and start hunting, trapping, and farming the rest. You could sell your knowledge for a LOT more than any physical items, as well as securing continual income.

In a post-apocolyptic world, silver and gold won't be worth much when you're sick and starving. The real money is in consulting ;)

Three books missing from the bookcase, but the maid cannot recall what three books were in those positions, is one of the final scenes of Wells' "Time Machine".
You've read the book or seen the movie haven't you Huntsman?

[jaydeehess]

Well while the ribbing is fun and all, I did recently see a photo from one of their "truth" mets that had two rather nice looking young ladies wearing the black shirts and holding a sign. I was thinking of posting it with the caption "Reasons to join the Truth Movement." But I didn't, and now I can't recall where I found it. :(

Obviously someone paid their sisters to pose in the shirts.
Gawd PW isn't it obvious...

,,, and yes , the ribbing is fun. Completly unproductive, rather nasty and rather fun.

[steve s]

"Apocalypse Now"? That was his papa wasn't it?


Charlie was in the movie Navy Seals (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0100232/).

Steve S

[jaydeehess]

Charlie was in the movie Navy Seals (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0100232/).

Steve S

oooohhh yeaaah
See, now I remember "Apocalypse Now" but had completely forgotten "Navy Seals".
Then again I had read "Heart of Darkness" so A.N. meant more to me.;)

[Redtail]

oooohhh yeaaah
See, now I remember "Apocalypse Now" but had completely forgotten "Navy Seals".
Then again I had read "Heart of Darkness" so A.N. meant more to me.;)

And they met in Hot Shots Part Deux.

[CHF]

9/11 Truth going mainstream and causing massive political change is the only way of stopping this.

Hang on a sec - I thought they already were mainstream. 84% and all that...

[kimota]

From the LC thread:
Wilderness Survival Guide Word Doc (http://files-upload.com/341383/SURVIVALGUIDE.doc.html)

I have it saved on my PDA, so I will have this knowledge in my pocket at all times!!!
I don't think you've quite thought your cunning plan all the way through.

[Horatius]

From the LC thread:

I don't think you've quite thought your cunning plan all the way through.



And that's different from all their other plans how?

[jaydeehess]

From the LC thread:

Originally Posted by look-up
Wilderness Survival Guide Word Doc

I have it saved on my PDA, so I will have this knowledge in my pocket at all times!!! I don't think you've quite thought your cunning plan all the way through

Well if he writes it all down on paper as soon as the apocalypse occurs then when his PDA batteries run down he will have the hard copy to go by. That is unless said apocalypse involves nuclear weapons in which case his PDA will be rendered useless by the EMP.

Don't these guys ever pick up a pen or a book?

[Hellbound]

Three books missing from the bookcase, but the maid cannot recall what three books were in those positions, is one of the final scenes of Wells' "Time Machine".
You've read the book or seen the movie haven't you Huntsman?

A long, long, LONG time ago. I only vaguely recall the major plot points, though. I'll have to look it up now...you've got me curious.

Well if he writes it all down on paper as soon as the apocalypse occurs then when his PDA batteries run down he will have the hard copy to go by. That is unless said apocalypse involves nuclear weapons in which case his PDA will be rendered useless by the EMP.

Don't these guys ever pick up a pen or a book?

Book? What thing you call, book?

[T.A.M.]

damn, I thought you were going to break into a full rendition of "American Pie"...lol

TAM:)

[jaydeehess]

damn, I thought you were going to break into a full rendition of "American Pie"...lol

TAM:)

nah, I have that saved to my i-pod so that i will always have it with me:D

[Kage]

OK, I have a question:

The US government is going to stage a false flag attack, which will lead to complete anarchy and the dissolution of said government. What!?!!!???

Please tell me that I am missing something. Are they assuming that they will rise up after the next false flag and that will lead to the end of society or something? I thought the claims of the truht movement betrayed a lack of higher order reasoning, but this is ridiculous.

Kage,

P.S. My theory as to why they yearn for a post apocalyptic world is that on average only 50% of women would sleep with a CTer to continue the human race. This vastly improves their odds.

[Hellbound]

P.S. My theory as to why they yearn for a post apocalyptic world is that on average only 50% of women would sleep with a CTer to continue the human race. This vastly improves their odds.

I dunno, I think that after 30 minutes of conversation with those troothers, the women would decide to let the human race go...

:D

[jaydeehess]

A long, long, LONG time ago. I only vaguely recall the major plot points, though. I'll have to look it up now...you've got me curious.


Hmmm, let me know if I am correct about the number of books. He could only take what he could carry and I believe it was 3 books but my memory is not infallable.;)

[Alareth]

In a post-apocalyptic future, will DJ's be able to find work?

[Papermache]

Hmmm, let me know if I am correct about the number of books. He could only take what he could carry and I believe it was 3 books but my memory is not infallable.;)In an admittedly cursory search of The Time Machine at the Gutenberg Project, I have been unable to find a reference to this incident. Perhaps I've merely used the wrong search terms or the incident may be from another work of fiction.

[Dave Rogers]

In an admittedly cursory search of The Time Machine at the Gutenberg Project, I have been unable to find a reference to this incident. Perhaps I've merely used the wrong search terms or the incident may be from another work of fiction.

Wasn't it the final scene in the 1960 Rod Taylor film, rather than the book?

Dave

[jaydeehess]

Wasn't it the final scene in the 1960 Rod Taylor film, rather than the book?

Dave

It was definately in the movie but I may be conflating the movie and the book. It might not have been in the book. hey I was 13 when I read the book and only did so because I had seen already the movie.

as an aside Jules Verne and H.G.Wells thought very lowly of each other. Verne accused Wells of creating fantasies with no thought to actual science, while Wells stated that Verne could not write his way out a paper bag.

[jaydeehess]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Time_Machine
1960 movie:
In the end, the Time Traveller leaves for a second journey, but Filby and Mrs Watchett note that he had taken three books from the shelves in his drawing room. "Which three books would you have taken?" Filby inquires to Mrs Watchett, adding " ... he has all the time in the world."


Book version:
Feeling giddy and nauseated about the return journey before him, he nevertheless boards his machine and puts it into reverse, arriving back in his laboratory just three hours after he originally left. Entering the dining room, he begins recounting what has just happened to his disbelieving friends and associates, bringing the story back full circle to his entrance in chapter 2. The following day, the unnamed narrator returns to the Time Traveller's house. There, he finds the Time Traveller ready to leave again, this time taking a small knapsack and a camera. Although he promises the narrator he will return in half an hour, three years pass and the Time Traveller still remains missing. What happened to him, and where he ultimately ventured, remains a mystery...

I like the movie ending better.

I particularily remember the movie ending because my father asked me what books I would take. I believe that one I said I would take was my Boy Scout manual, and another was "The Swiss Family Robinson". Three did not seem enough but I also could not think of specific books to take. I was 12 and almost all of the books I had read were fictions and completely useless.

[Sabrina]

I dunno, I think that after 30 minutes of conversation with those troothers, the women would decide to let the human race go...

:D

Speaking as a woman, it would be a cold day in [rule8] before I let one of those [rule8]s anywhere NEAR me.

But then I'm previously informed of their idiocy; I suppose women who aren't might briefly give them the time of day.

[Kage]

I dunno, I think that after 30 minutes of conversation with those troothers, the women would decide to let the human race go...


Speaking as a woman, it would be a cold day in [rule8] before I let one of those [rule8]s anywhere NEAR me.

But then I'm previously informed of their idiocy; I suppose women who aren't might briefly give them the time of day.

That's why I put the percentage at 50%, in a survival of humanity situation.

Also, nobody has explained how the evil bush false flag will lead to anarchy.

[Triterope]

The US government is going to stage a false flag attack, which will lead to complete anarchy and the dissolution of said government. What!?!!!???

Good catch. And yet another example of the conspiracy nutters' inability to conceive theories that are even internally consistent.