Dylan's New Evidence?

[parky76]

So what's Dylan new evidence this time? I am banned from going to the LC forum due to my need to remain sane.

Let me guess...he has a FDNY/EMT/NYPD guy who claims to have heard "explosions"???

I heard lots of explosions a few nights ago too. And there was lots of lightning. Some called it "lightning" and "thunder"..but I think it was a Neo-Con inside job.

[Gravy]

To what are you referring, Parky? Did he make an announcement, or an announcement about an upcoming announcement?

[Mince]

Methinks he speaks of this:

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=13459&st=0&#last


by IVXX
A New York City FireFighter has gone public??


Apparently, on his radio show tonight, Avery interviewed a firefighter who is doubting the official story.

[NYCEMT86]

I bet it's Daniel Sunjata, no real FDNY firefighter, but he plays one on TV...is that close enough?

[parky76]

Plays one on tv.....plays one in real life...whats the difference? :D

[Mince]

Plays one on tv.....plays one in real life...whats the difference? :D

If you act stupid on television, at least you can claim you were acting.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

If you act stupid on television, at least you can claim you were acting.


So that's why truthers love making movies so much...

[LashL]

John Schroeder, in the Ladder 10 golf shirt?

Edited to add photo from the Looser forum

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_1110346b925b76f951.png

[NYCEMT86]

Yeah thats what I have gotten so far from doing some quick research.

[qarnos]

When I saw the topic of this thread my first reaction was, "FFS - what is it this time?"

Is this gonna turn out like all his other "new evidence"? :rolleyes:

[Dog Town]

He is not in any photos at Ten House's web page.
http://www.fdnytenhouse.com/photos/2005_members_friends.htm

[LashL]

He is not in any photos at Ten House's web page.
http://www.fdnytenhouse.com/photos/2005_members_friends.htm

There was a FDNY firefighter named John Schroeder mentioned in a Firehouse column here:
http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/cancel.html who is quoted as seeing an airplane fly into the WTC and it appears that he was at Ladder/Engine 10 at the time.

I don't listen to the Loosers' crappy radio show. Do-Over posted that photo at the Looser forum during/after the show, and identified the guy in the Ladder 10 shirt as "John Schroeder".

[T.A.M.]

One fireman out of how many hundred...impressive....NOT!!!

He is a hero no doubt, and doubt the official story, sure, why not, everyone has the right, but if he thinks 9/11 was an inside job, he is wrong, and yes on that point I would tell him to his face he is wrong.

TAM:)

[Dog Town]

There was a FDNY firefighter named John Schroeder killed on 9/11, if I'm not mistaken. Maybe this is a relative? I've no idea. I don't listen to their crappy radio show.

Nor would I. It was the first thought, to see if he was Ten House. Not that any claim was made, just checking.

[NYCEMT86]

I have an Uncle who works out of Metrotech, so I will see what I can find out about this guy.

[Revolutionary91]

One fireman out of how many hundred...impressive....NOT!!!

He is a hero no doubt, and doubt the official story, sure, why not, everyone has the right, but if he thinks 9/11 was an inside job, he is wrong, and yes on that point I would tell him to his face he is wrong.

TAM:)

Yeah, he was inside the north tower while it happened while you were in Canada, what would he know?

[Mince]

Yeah, he was inside the north tower while it happened while you were in Canada, what would he know?


And you were....well, wherever you were. But I bet you weren't in the North Tower that day. So...what would you know?

[T.A.M.]

Yeah, he was inside the north tower while it happened while you were in Canada, what would he know?

Listen sonny, I have saved more lives than you have years. I spent 3 years in an urban emergency room. Don't talk your crap ok. If I had lived in NYC I would have been down in those triage tents in a heartbeat, saving whiny teens and kooks alike...

TAM:)

[NYCEMT86]

Yeah, he was inside the north tower while it happened


What about the Hundreds and Hundreds of other firefighters who where in the North Tower as well as the South Tower? Why don't they think its an inside job?

[LashL]

Nor would I. It was the first thought, to see if he was Ten House. Not that any claim was made, just checking.

Please note that I edited my post at the same moment that you were quoting it - There was no firefighter named John Schroeder killed on 9/11. That was an error on my part.

[Revolutionary91]

Listen sonny, I have saved more lives than you have years. I spent 3 years in an urban emergency room. Don't talk your crap ok. If I had lived in NYC I would have been down in those triage tents in a heartbeat, saving whiny teens and kooks alike...

TAM:)

I think you need to be a bit more civil Tammy.

He was there, you weren't. Who am I going to listen to?

[Revolutionary91]

What about the Hundreds and Hundreds of other firefighters who where in the North Tower as well as the South Tower? Why don't they think its an inside job?

Please present their testimonies where they say it wasn't an inside job.

[T.A.M.]

I was quite civil. I did not use any profanity, and I did not slur you. Sonny is a term of endearment...lol

TAM:)

[T.A.M.]

Who am I going to listen to?

You'll listen to what ever fits your world view of the 9/11 truth, as is the case with all truthers...ignoring everything else, or call it planted/faked.

TAM:)

[NYCEMT86]

If they believed it was an inside job why haven't they gone public like John Schroeder?

This can be a double sided coin....where is your testimonies where they said it WAS an inside job?

Trust me, if they believed that the Government really did kill their brothers and those civilians you would hear a large out cry from the FDNY.

Want testimony? Want 503 eyewitness' accounts?

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/met_WTC_histories_full_01.html


Read them and you can tell me where it says Inside Job

[T.A.M.]

If they believed it was an inside job why haven't they gone public like John Schroeder?

This can be a double sided coin....where is your testimonies where they said it WAS an inside job?

Trust me, if they believed that the Government really did kill their brothers and those civilians you would hear a large out cry from the FDNY.

Want testimony? Want 503 eyewitness' accounts?

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/met_WTC_histories_full_01.html

no they wouldn't, because in the truther world, Firemen care more about their jobs than justice for the lives of their fallen comrades...

TAM:)

[LashL]

I have an Uncle who works out of Metrotech, so I will see what I can find out about this guy.

Excellent.

Yeah, he was inside the north tower while it happened while you were in Canada, what would he know?

So, what does Mr. Schroeder say, Rev?

[LashL]

no they wouldn't, because in the truther world, Firemen care more about their jobs than justice for the lives of their fallen comrades...

TAM:)

Lol@your new avatar, TAM :D

[T.A.M.]

2 cc's of KooL Vax (TM) Stat...

TAM;)

[CHF]

Please present their testimonies where they say it wasn't an inside job.

So unless a firefighter said "it wasn't an inside job" you'll just assume they quietly support you?

[Gravy]

So unless a firefighter said "it wasn't an inside job" you'll just assume they quietly support you?The requirement is that they parade in white t-shirts at Ground Zero with banners that say "9/11 Was An Outside Job!"

The firefighters hate these jackasses.

[kookbreaker]

The firefighters hate these jackasses.

The troofers know better than you and your 'talk to the firefighters' silliness. Their basement walls tell them all they need to know, and the walls say 'Gravy wrong! firefighters wuv twoofers!'!

[leftysergeant]

There are hundreds of people dying now because of the lack of concern that Giuliani exercised post-disaster. It will be a long ordeal of hacking and coughing and wasting away in pain for many of them. Giuliani is about as welcome as a ham and cheese sandwich at most fire fighters' union events. And now her is considered a prime candidate for president.

Do you think you can intimidate an already-dying man? Can you intimidate a man who knows that his life is being cut short because of an act of human compasion? Would a real hero keep his mouth shut to protect the sorry butt of someone he knows put countless lives at risk to get his city looking normal again? I doubt it. They would not be likely to worry about the consequences if they came forward with the smoking gun that would put Rudy where he belongs. What can he do, have them killed? In some cases, it might be a mercy, compared to dying of mesothelioma.

Would they, in your mind, have been in on it because they thought the ultimate outcome would be good for the country? If so, you have an awful lot to learn about how real men think, and I do not even think time will help you much in that regard.

I was a fire fighter myself, years ago, and you have just slapped me in the face.

[Corsair 115]

Please present their testimonies where they say it wasn't an inside job.You know, that sounds a lot like what is called "negative option billing." That means unless you tell the company specifically that you don't want their service, they'll bill you. Cable companies, I think it was, got into trouble with that up here some years back...

[Brainster]

Sort of disproves Alex Jones claims that most of the firefighters and police support the kooks, eh? If they're trumpeting the first firefighter to go public?

Let me suggest here that it is quite possible that we will see more of this. There's always going to be some guy who's bitter about getting fired for something, and the Alex Joneses and Dylan Averys of the world will let them vent about the injustice of it all, if they just agree with them about these controlled demolitions and how everybody in the department knows what really happened on 9-11.

[Revolutionary91]

Heres the full interview with the firefighter

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=53815767687186956

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=13481

[johnny karate]

Maybe I missed it. Could someone point out to me the part where he says anything that proves or otherwise supports CT?

[Revolutionary91]

Maybe I missed it. Could someone point out to me the part where he says anything that proves or otherwise supports CT?


Woe, you watched a 47 minute video in 18 minutes!

Try watching the video I posted.

[Unsecured Coins]

could it be he's watched it before?

[Calcas]

Please present their testimonies where they say it wasn't an inside job.

You said your dad was taking you to NYC for 9-11 next month. Ask them yourself.

[Unsecured Coins]

You said your dad was taking you to NYC for 9-11 next month. Ask them yourself.


but, but... that's taking away from the peaceful protests he plans on attending!!

[johnny karate]

Woe, you watched a 47 minute video in 18 minutes!

Try watching the video I posted.


No, I didn't watch the 47-minute video in 18 minutes. I didn't actually watch it all. I read the text that was linked assuming it was some kind of transcript from the video. I further made the assumption that said transcript would contain something of importance or substance (in regards to CT). Apparently I was wrong.

So again, and I'll direct this at you, Revolutionary91, what is it that John Schroeder says that proves or supports CT?

[Unsecured Coins]

ah, well, in that case, I withdraw my assumption

[nicepants]

Please present their testimonies where they say it wasn't an inside job.

That's like automatically assuming everyone is GAY if they don't walk up to you and say that they're not.

[8den]

Around 17:49 there's a definitive edit, and the removal of the start of the clip, so Im not sure what the start of the quote is, but he starts talking about how the area was really quiet that morning, and his friend Mike Hurley knew that "500 people (in the world trade center) called in sick"

18:30 Distinct delay between planes and elavator exploding.

19:39 It just don't happen that a plane hit's the 88th floor and the lobby gets blown out.

19:45 My mental health is shot, I can't remember yesterday some days.

20:40 Everywhere I see I see 911, On the clock 911 the house where I grew up 199

21:46 Guilliani did nothing for the firemen.

24:46. Tower Two collasped "interialised"

25:46 (Bermas) it must have been weird hearing explosions.

25:58 We should have gotten some more warning about the second plane.

27:30 (Avary) Were you surprised that they cleaned up after a year.

27:35 Long rant about the rescue operation stopped after the "found the gold".


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I'm going to have to stop now, because once again Dylan has struck a new low. Schroeder, in my non medicial opinion, clearly is still suffering from some form of PTS. He admits himself his memory is shot. Bermas, and Dylan clearly ask leading questions, hoping to provoke a quote about explosions or indeed any nugget of information they can twist to suit them. Schroeder constantly goes back on several themes, the lack of warning for the 2nd plane. The stalled rescue operation. The health issues. He's angry, confused, and upset, and forcing him to relive that day is disgusting reprehensible behaviour.

Oh and Dylan, if you're reading this, your cutting sucks. There's fingerprints, of disjointed answers, with the tops and tails cut off. And if you're going to ask leading questions, the smart thing to do is to cut them out. Looks less like you're coaching the interviewee. Whats that? It was easier to leave them in, than to find a good "in" on his reply, you say? Gosh, thats why we call it editing not shoving it all together.

[fortuneteller]

Yeah, he was inside the north tower while it happened while you were in Canada, what would he know?Did your mother ever teach you to respect your elders?

[fortuneteller]

I think you need to be a bit more civil Tammy.

He was there, you weren't. Who am I going to listen to?Never mind answering my question because I can see now the answer is no.

[Revolutionary91]

Never mind answering my question because I can see now the answer is no.

Im putting you on ignore. I'm sure you can see why.

[T.A.M.]

Im putting you on ignore. I'm sure you can see why.

because you feel bad for her, and don't want her to have to suffer through your posts?

TAM;)

[fortuneteller]

Im putting you on ignore. I'm sure you can see why.
Thank you :D

ETA - There is an apostrophe in I'm.

[Mince]

Did your mother ever teach you to respect your elders?

Of course his "elders" include 16-year-old baby sitters. I'm not making fun of you Rev, just saying is all. I wish I was 15-years-old. And, by the way, I agree with almost nothing you say, but I respect you for coming here. It can be tough, I'm sure you know.

[fortuneteller]

because you feel bad for him, and don't want him to have to suffer through your posts?

TAM;)Her. Please don't call me a man because it hurts my feminine feelings :D

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Around 17:49 there's a definitive edit, and the removal of the start of the clip, so Im not sure what the start of the quote is, but he starts talking about how the area was really quiet that morning, and his friend Mike Hurley knew that "500 people (in the world trade center) called in sick"
<<SNIP>>


How on Earth could anyone "know" that? At anytime? Even now? :boggled:

[Revolutionary91]

because you feel bad for him, and don't want him to have to suffer through your posts?

TAM;)

You are welcome to put me on ignore. You threatened it earlier but you can't quite bring yourself to do it can you?

[Cl1mh4224rd]

How on Earth could anyone "know" that? At anytime? Even now? :boggled:


Besides... Upwards of 50,000 people worked in the WTC towers. Five hundred calling off sick is 1%. How is that suspicious?

[T.A.M.]

Her. Please don't call me a man because it hurts my feminine feelings :D

fixed.

TAM:)

[Revolutionary91]

Of course his "elders" include 16-year-old baby sitters. I'm not making fun of you Rev, just saying is all. I wish I was 15-years-old. And, by the way, I agree with almost nothing you say, but I respect you for coming here. It can be tough, I'm sure you know.

It isn't tough at all. It's tougher to leave this place. The comedy is just too good.

[T.A.M.]

You are welcome to put me on ignore. You threatened it earlier but you can't quite bring yourself to do it can you?

Well I've only been online for about 20 minutes, plus you are entertaining like a ball of wool...lol

TAM:)

[fortuneteller]

fixed.

TAM:)Thanks. Made my day...sort of :)

[Revolutionary91]

Besides... Upwards of 50,000 people worked in the WTC towers. Five hundred calling off sick is .01%. How is that suspicious?


Erm its actually 1%. Math isnt your strong suit.

[Drudgewire]

Besides... Upwards of 50,000 people worked in the WTC towers. Five hundred calling off sick is .01%. How is that suspicious?
It sure makes me wish the staffing company I'm with had higher end jobs. We'd kill for an absentee rate like that. :(

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Erm its actually 1%.


So it is. Thanks for the correction.

[Drudgewire]

So it is. Thanks for the correction.
Still a rate we'd kill for. :(

[Alt+F4]

And, by the way, I agree with almost nothing you say, but I respect you for coming here. It can be tough, I'm sure you know.

There is nothing to respect about insolent, impertinent teens who have no respect for logic or science...and I'm the expert on them.

[T.A.M.]

So it is. Thanks for the correction.

what, no insult, no quippy comment, no high five...how un"rev"olutionary of you...

TAM:)

[Mince]

It isn't tough at all. It's tougher to leave this place. The comedy is just too good.


Yes it is. Thank you for your contribution.

[Mince]

There is nothing to respect about insolent, impertinent teens who have no respect for logic or science...and I'm the expert on them.


That's not what I respect about him. Contrarily, that's what I despise about him. I do respect that he has the fortitude to post in a realm where he knows he will be intellectually persecuted. Some people (Dy<cough>lan Av<cough>ery) do not have such courage, if courage it be. I'm not worshiping Rev by any account. But I will give him the small amount of respect reserved for such trivialities.

[cloudshipsrule]

In CL's defense, 500 is 1/100th of 50000. It's a simple mistake to place a % sign after the .01. The math was actually correct.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

In CL's defense, 500 is 1/100th of 50000. It's a simple mistake to place a % sign after the .01. The math was actually correct.


Yeah, but I wanted a percentage and just failed to multiply by 100. It was an honest-to-God mistake on my part, so no defense necessary.

Thanks, though. :)