Russian flag planting on North Pole: Busted!!

[CFLarsen]

Heard the story of the Russian sub planting a Russian flag on the bottom of the sea bed at the North Pole (http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/08/06/why-plant-a-flag-at-north-pole/)?

The Finnish newspaper Ilta-Sanomat has unveiled that the photos originate from the blockbuster movie "Titanic".

In Finnish, but the images speak for themselves... (http://www.iltasanomat.fi/uutiset/ulkomaat/uutinen.asp?id=1418286)

[MWare]

I can't read Finnish, but I know the submersibles used for planting the flag were used in the Titanic filming. Someone probably was just using the movie's footage for the description of the submarines, not for the actual planting of the flag.

[jsiv]

English. (http://newsroom.finland.fi/stt/showarticle.asp?intNWSAID=16424&group=General)


I suspect whatever real footage of the event exists is far less spectacular and doesn't make for that good TV.

[MWare]

At least the Russians get their own version of the moon hoax.

[Vorticity]

At least the Russians get their own version of the moon hoax.
Ours is better.

By which I mean stupider.

[The Painter]

Everybody wants a piece of the Eskimo pie

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/589c552e-45eb-11dc-b359-0000779fd2ac.html

[DanishDynamite]

As the article linked to by The Painter says, its a stunt with no actual significance.

[Zep]

Everybody wants a piece of the Eskimo pie

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/589c552e-45eb-11dc-b359-0000779fd2ac.html

Say what??

Rather than focusing on hydrocarbons rights in disputed waters, the Bush administration has focused on developing the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge as an energy source.Moose poo?

[Michael Redman]

I've read a few articles about this, the Canadian claims, etc. It seems there are a lot of journalists who don't understand the that there is no land at the North Pole, and that the terms "North Pole" and "Arctic" are not even close to synonymous.

[Damien Evans]

I've read a few articles about this, the Canadian claims, etc. It seems there are a lot of journalists who don't understand the that there is no land at the North Pole, and that the terms "North Pole" and "Arctic" are not even close to synonymous.

True, but the ice under your feet will feel pretty solid

[Jimbo07]

I've read a few articles about this, the Canadian claims, etc. It seems there are a lot of journalists who don't understand the that there is no land at the North Pole, and that the terms "North Pole" and "Arctic" are not even close to synonymous.

True, but the ice under your feet will feel pretty solid

Throw into the confusing mess, the terms:

- Northwest Passage and
- Mineral Rights

and you get a much more interesting discussion...

[Michael Redman]

True, but the ice under your feet will feel pretty solid
Solid until you try to prove ownership of it in court.

[Checkmite]

Solid until you try to prove ownership of it in court.

I'm curious as to which court Russia would have to go to press ownership.

[Jimbo07]

An article on this:

Canada Cares About the North... Really (http://news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/TopStories/ContentPosting.aspx?feedname=CTV-TOPSTORIES_V2&showbyline=True&newsitemid=CTVNews%2f20070810%2fcanada_denmark_arc tic_070810)

:)

[Michael Redman]

I'm curious as to which court Russia would have to go to press ownership.Depends on the reason they're pressing the claim.

[CFLarsen]

Tsk. (http://www.hs.fi/english/article/iIlta-Sanomati+reveals+embarrassing+error+in+Reuters+fee d+on+Russian+North+Pole+sub+expedition/1135229390631)

[SteveGrenard]

yes, Russia, the U.S., Canada, Norway and here are some details of Denmark's claim.
Did I miss anyone? Probably.


OSLO, Norway: Danish scientists head for the Arctic ice pack on Sunday seeking evidence to position Denmark in a race to claim the potentially vast oil and other resources of the North Pole region.

Russia sent two small submarines to plant a tiny national flag under the North Pole last week. Canada, the United States and Norway also have competing claims in the vast Arctic region, where a U.S. study suggests as much as 25 percent of the world's undiscovered oil and gas could be hidden.

The month long Danish expedition will seek evidence that the Lomonosov Ridge, a 2,000-kilometer- (1,240-mile) underwater mountain range, is attached to the Danish territory of Greenland, making it a geological extension of the Arctic island.

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/08/11/europe/EU-GEN-Denmark-Arctic-Claims.php

[SteveGrenard]

So my question is does the basis of Denmark's claim constitute a land based claim, even though that land happens to be underwater? Well the Danish scientists haven't proved it yet but hypothetically if they do?

[CFLarsen]

So my question is does the basis of Denmark's claim constitute a land based claim, even though that land happens to be underwater? Well the Danish scientists haven't proved it yet but hypothetically if they do?

Read your own source:

The month long Danish expedition will seek evidence that the Lomonosov Ridge, a 2,000-kilometer- (1,240-mile) underwater mountain range, is attached to the Danish territory of Greenland, making it a geological extension of the Arctic island.

[SteveGrenard]

The finer point of this question is whether an underwater "geological extension" is equivalent to an above water, land-based claim....if it is, there may be others and the map of the world might be rewritten. If Denmark prevails with this argument does it mean Mexico belongs to the U.S.?
or the U.S. to Mexico? Does every other geological extension fall on one side of an international border or the other?

[JJR]

So Denmark wants to own Santa's house and suck out his oil that he sells and uses to buy and make all the gifts? What a bummer, man.

That sucks!! :mad:

[CFLarsen]

The finer point of this question is whether an underwater "geological extension" is equivalent to an above water, land-based claim....if it is, there may be others and the map of the world might be rewritten. If Denmark prevails with this argument does it mean Mexico belongs to the U.S.?
or the U.S. to Mexico? Does every other geological extension fall on one side of an international border or the other?

Educate yourself:
United Nations: Oceans and the Law of the Sea (http://www.un.org/Depts/los/index.htm)

So Denmark wants to own Santa's house and suck out his oil that he sells and uses to buy and make all the gifts? What a bummer, man.

That sucks!! :mad:

We already do: Santa Claus lives in Greenland.

[NoZed Avenger]

I can't read Finnish, but I know the submersibles used for planting the flag were used in the Titanic filming. Someone probably was just using the movie's footage for the description of the submarines, not for the actual planting of the flag.


Sooo, have the Russians been "busted," or is it slip-shop journalism and someone with a very itchy trigger finger on the gotcha gun?

[NoZed Avenger]

Sooo, have the Russians been "busted," or is it slip-shop journalism and someone with a very itchy trigger finger on the gotcha gun?


"Is this some kind of bust?"

"Yes, ma'am. It's very impressive. But you're still under arrest."

[Ryokan]

We already do: Santa Claus lives in Greenland.

Everybody knows Santa lives in Norway.

[jsiv]

And everybody knows the North Pole already belongs to us.

[Ove]

Everybody knows Santa lives in Norway.

Possible but "Julemanden"(the real Santa Claus) lives in Greenland and Here
http://youtube.com/watch?v=cjfxSYq560k is the proof. Hidden shots from his home up there and featuring his faithfull assistants..

[CFLarsen]

Everybody knows Santa lives in Norway.

Heretic.

[Damien Evans]

Oh well, while they all fight it out we'll be content with most of Antarctica...