Kinoki Detox Footpads

[Miss Whiplash]

For $19.95, this product claims (http://www.buykinoki.com/?UID=G_TR_BROAD_kinoki&gclid=CITFv_z36Y0CFRdfgQodrBnxqg) to remove the toxins from your body though the soles of your feet,while you sleep.

This amazing system for cleansing the body is based on the ancient practices of foot reflexology. Working much more quickly than other detox methods and using the natural cleansing power of double distilled bamboo vinegar, harmful substances are drawn out of your body.

You’ll feel the results right away as you rid your body of things like: heavy metals, toxins, metabolic waste, chemicals and even parasites. You'll be better able to combat fatigue and even lose weight.

[Normal Dude]

Hey, if it's an ancient practice, it's gotta work, right?

Rght?

[Miss Whiplash]

I gave it a blog entry (http://www.mondoskepto.com/node/166) anyway. Judging by the ingredients, it appears to be noting more than a mild exfoliant.

Why do feet need negative ions?

[Cuddles]

They save your sole? :boxedin:

[In My Spare Time]

I think the Violent Femmes summed this up nicely: he's tellin'
lies lies lies
lies lies lies lies
lies lies lies lies
lies lies lies

[Silly Green Monkey]

Harriet Carter is carrying this item. I was glad to see that they'd dropped Trudeau.

[Big Les]

I've seen similar things "tested" on UK TV - the pads got a bit dirty (yuck) whilst a foot-spa machine produced gross brown water...via some sort of electrolysis corrosion mechanism - it did the same thing with no added ingredient (can't remember what was added) and no feet in it. The rep had no answer for that as I recall. Sorry, can't remember the brand of either of those, but they must have been around in one form or another for a few years. Even if they aren't truly "ancient". :)

[JimBenArm]

I gave it a blog entry (http://www.mondoskepto.com/node/166)anyway. Judging by the ingredients, it appears to be noting more than a mild exfoliant.

Why do feet need negative ions?
So they can feel positive about themselves?

[Blue Wode]

I've seen similar things "tested" on UK TV - the pads got a bit dirty (yuck) whilst a foot-spa machine produced gross brown water...via some sort of electrolysis corrosion mechanism - it did the same thing with no added ingredient (can't remember what was added) and no feet in it. The rep had no answer for that as I recall. Sorry, can't remember the brand of either of those, but they must have been around in one form or another for a few years. Even if they aren't truly "ancient". :)


Was it the Aqua Detox?
http://www.devicewatch.org/reports/aquadetox.shtml

You can find another excellent debunking of detox foot baths in this news item:
http://www.click2houston.com/video/5425517/index.html
(A 15 second ad precedes the 4 minute segment)

And Orac thoroughly debunked foot detoxification machines and ‘miracle foot patches’ in his Friday Dose of Woo yesterday:
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2007/08/your_friday_dose_of_woo_a_soothing_footb.php#more

[Big Les]

That's the fella (the bath that is). Not sure which foot pads I saw "tested" though. It was only on something "lite" like GMTV or it's ilk, but even they were able to show there was nothing in it.

[DJ Hexadecibel]

Anyone brought this up to Randi? It'd make a great SWIFT entry.

[Miss Whiplash]

Anyone brought this up to Randi? It'd make a great SWIFT entry.

I sent it to him last Thursday evening. I'd love to see Randi's commentary! :)

[DJ Hexadecibel]

Kewl frickin' beans! The Wanderings Blog (http://www.wanderings.net/notebook/Main/KinokiDetoxFootPads) has a short, but sweet, entry on the product. ;)

[Miss Whiplash]

I put it on my blog, but didn't get that many hits. I think the feet put readers off. :rolleyes:

[patrick767]

Given that most ancient cultures had very short average life spans like 30 years or so, why on earth do so many people want to take health tips from them?

[Miss Anthrope]

Given that most ancient cultures had very short average life spans like 30 years or so, why on earth do so many people want to take health tips from them?

I know!!! This is what really puzzles me. This belief that the ancients were so wise in their ways!!

[grayman]

I put it on my blog, but didn't get that many hits. I think the feet put readers off. :rolleyes:

I thought about posting something on your site about being able to see Jesus or the Virgin Mary in the brown stains. :)

[Miss Whiplash]

I'm shattered Randi did not use my foot pads in his commentary. That was the best bit of quackery I've seen in several years. It trumps Popoff's new miracle water.

[Anne Thraz]

Kinoki footpads work like those Stridex acne pads, using mild adhesive to pull dirt and other detritus from the skin. The soles of the feet are seldom completely clean -- they're awkward to scrub, soaping the soles creates a risk of slipping, and most people do at least some walking barefoot -- so it's easy to find dirt there. The dirt diminishes over days of the Kinoki regimen because, by wearing the pads, there's no more walking barefoot. You could get the same results from duct tape.
Kinoki's claims suggest that if "toxins" are not pulled from the bottom of the feet they will migrate to the hair on the head is absurd.

[JoeTheJuggler]

I have a woo friend who told me about using these.

I'm just wondering what physiological process results in depositing "toxins" near the soles of the feet anyway.


Kinoki's claims suggest that if "toxins" are not pulled from the bottom of the feet they will migrate to the hair on the head is absurd.
Hmm. . . and since hair is physiologically dead that would be a safe place for these hypothetical "toxins" anyway, so using their foot pads is disrupting the body's own natural way of handling them. :)

Sounds dangerous. And they no doubt have chemicals in them! ;)

[Cuddles]

I'm just wondering what physiological process results in depositing "toxins" near the soles of the feet anyway.

Gravity?

[goak69]

About a year ago I posted a thread about losing weight in a similar fashion...

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=69305

^^

[JoeTheJuggler]

Gravity?
:D That's a rather arch response!

I said "physiological" not "physical".

What makes the toxins? If they're talking about ingested toxins, how would those get to the soles of the feet?

[Showmeproof]

The chick with the blonde hair and the pink nightgown in the infomercial movie looked pretty hot. I wish I can wake up to her very morning......Oh yeah, funny product!

[JoeTheJuggler]

They save your sole? :boxedin:

I'd feel like such a heel if I toed you that was a corny pun.

[Apology]

Seems like it would be more convenient if they could remove the toxins during the day, like Odor Eaters do.

Plus Odor Eaters are cheaper.

[NorfolkAtheist]

It has gotten so that when I hear the word "toxins" I think to myself...."bull#$!+."

[dirtywick]

I'm trying to get rid of this athelete's foot, which is about the only thing this thing doesn't claim to cure. Thanks a lot Kinoki, you jerks.

For real though, who wants to put a pad on their foot and then wake up and pull it off and look at the big brown smear? That's like wiping your ass and leaving the toliet paper in there until morning to absorb the fecal matter.

[bob_conklin]

buykinoki.com/?cid=378267

The commercial claims pretty specific claims. Total elimination of benzine and mercury from the blood in laboratory tests are just 2. I just saw the commercial on TV this week and couldn't believe that they would make all those claims so b latently. I thought for sure that Randi was going to put something up this week but he didn't.

This is an easy one. How do we get exposure on this?

[Silentknight]

Anyone who uses the word "toxins" as an advertising catch needs to take a biology lesson on the role and function of the liver.

[kosai]

It trumps Popoff's new miracle water.


Is that like New Coke?? I'd better order soon.

[The Man]

Experience Kinoki’s Natural Power of Nature



Well that’s good I hate when I experience the unnatural power of nature.

Another good thing is it says it will rid your body of things like “chemicals” so they must have gotten around the annoying fact that a body is made up of “chemicals” (must be due to the natural power of nature). I never really enjoyed being comprised of chemicals anyway, it always made me feel so synthetic and unnatural.

[kosai]

not to mention "kinoko" in Japanese means mushroom... Fungus near your feet? Doesn't sound too attractive to me.

They show some kanji in the video which looked to me like 木樹 though it's too small for me to be sure.. Those say kiki and both mean tree. So seems their (mysterious ancient) Japanese department got it wrong.

If nothing else... it's an interesting magic trick.. anyone have any idea how they turn brown and then can't after some time after using?

[Uncle Vanya]

I always love things that claim that they're based on an ancient practice. I always wonder if in China or Japan they have commercials for products "based on the ancient European practice of bloodletting and leeches."

[Bri]

I saw the TV commercial in the U.S. just yesterday. It claims that the pads are "useful" for many ailments including diabetes and high blood pressure. According to the commercial, the pads pull toxins out of your body through your feet, including parasites and cellulite!

The commercial made some testable claims, including that the pads would turn dark when you first used them but would gradually be lighter and lighter as toxins were removed from your body (presumably after a few weeks they would remain totally white). The commercial also lists the toxins that were found on the pad by lab tests during the first few uses that would no longer be present after several weeks. It would be fairly easy to test these claims to see if they are true.

Here's the commercial on youtube (seems to be the same one that's on the kinoki website):

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On their website, the only reference to the independent study that supposedly proves their claims is a page that says "coming soon." Note that the "free footpads for life" requires you to pay ~$13 shipping and handling for 10 pads each month. Presumably, you use 2 per night (one on each foot), which means that they only give you 5 night's worth per month while the FAQ states that "[d]epending on the individual, the detox may require two to three weeks or longer in the case of greater toxicity build-ups." No word on how much it costs you for additional pads if they don't turn white after 5 nights. Oh, and if you're an amputee, don't worry -- you can also use them on other "targeted" body parts such as the shoulder or knee.

-Bri

[Anne Thraz]

I have seen these commercials about a dozen times. Yes, the pads appear cleaner on successive days; you can get the same effect using duct tape. Naturally, the first time the adhesive pad is used, there's a lot of detritus pulled from the foot. As the days pass, the repeated use of the adhesive pads - plus, very importantly, that wearing the pads means there's less actual barefoot walking -- leaves less and less on the feet for the next day's pad. Simple.

As for those lab tests: I suspect the tests are of the stuff found on the pads, not blood tests or even hair tests.

I suspect that if one uses a complete "treatment" - until the pads are completely free of dirt -- and then returns to old habits regarding foot hygiene and barefoot walking, the "toxins" will return completely within a few months.

[Bri]

The commercial shows graphics of both hair tests and also tests of toxins on the pads after use (and of course less and less of said toxins after successive uses). Of course, no tests are actually cited on their website.

-Bri

[Lisa Simpson]

I would love to try an experiment with these, but I don't know anyone who could run the lab tests on them and I don't have the $$ to cough up for the tests myself.

[kosai]

I would love to try an experiment with these, but I don't know anyone who could run the lab tests on them and I don't have the $$ to cough up for the tests myself.

I think it's a great idea for an expiriment. I work for a university and have found they can be rather helpful. Usually a few emails to a professor is all it takes as they love something interesting to test that also has strong educational value. I'd say I'd ask myself but find the idea of recieving used foot pads in the mail rather revolting.

[kosai]

I suspect that if one uses a complete "treatment" - until the pads are completely free of dirt -- and then returns to old habits regarding foot hygiene and barefoot walking, the "toxins" will return completely within a few months.

I don't buy this theory because I've talked with someone who has used this product. They say it will change color on any part of the body. I assume it's some kind of chemical reaction but what is it depleting or soaking into your skin to make it stop changing color?

[Retrograde]

I always love things that claim that they're based on an ancient practice. I always wonder if in China or Japan they have commercials for products "based on the ancient European practice of bloodletting and leeches."



Give 'em time to catch up to the West. Actually, I've read that leeches are making a comeback in Western medicine, and that bloodletting may have had some effects in alleviating high blood pressure. As long as they didn't take too much at a time (see Washington, George: death of)


you can get the same effect using duct tape.

Ah, duct tape! Is there anything you can't fix?

I saw this commercial a couple of nights ago, and my first reaction -well, second after giggling - was that it would tickle getting those off. Plus they're rather expensive for some vinegar-soaked gauze. And how come I never saw these advertized on Japanese television?

[robinson]

Save your money. It's look likes a scam.

http://www.publichealthforums.com/r-63-kinoki-reviews.html

[kosai]

I saw this commercial a couple of nights ago, and my first reaction -well, second after giggling - was that it would tickle getting those off. Plus they're rather expensive for some vinegar-soaked gauze. And how come I never saw these advertized on Japanese television?

Uhhh....

How much TV did you watch in ancient Japan? (circa 2005-2006)

These indeed have had their "boom" in Japan however now that the Japanese people realized they are indeed bunk it was time to head across seas. In Japan they were touted as a traditional Chinese practice for healing like most of the bunk cures sold in Japan (and now world-wide.)

[Retrograde]

I watched Japanese TV in Japan between 1994-9 - a week at a time, plus US imports of programs complete with commercial from early 90s until now. I still want a panda toaster...

It makes sense, in a perverse sort of way, that gullible Japanese look to "ancient Chinese cures". But what do the Chinese do for woo?

I love non-American commercials: I think they reveal a lot more about their native cultures than they'd like to admit. (The same is true about American commercials, of course: I just don't want to acknowledge that)

[Denver]

I saw the TV commercial in the U.S. just yesterday. It claims that the pads are "useful" for many ailments including diabetes and high blood pressure. According to the commercial, the pads pull toxins out of your body through your feet, including parasites and cellulite!

I saw this commercial the other day on the Discovery Channel. I wish I could recall what show I was watching at the time: Mythbusters would have been ironic.

Makes me wonder what the demographic there has become...

[volantis]

For $19.95, this product claims to remove the toxins from your body though the soles of your feet,while you sleep.
Actual testing has been done on these foot pads, you can read about it at the kenrico.com/sapsheet.html site. Scan down the page to see actual materials removed from the body. They also have a service where you can send your used pad in for analysis.

[dirtywick]

I saw this commercial the other day on the Discovery Channel. I wish I could recall what show I was watching at the time: Mythbusters would have been ironic.

Makes me wonder what the demographic there has become...

Yeah, that and the history channel has been playing a lot of mythical creature, biblical, or haunted house programs lately. Discovery plays that kind of stuff a lot less frequently, though. Or maybe it just seems that way and they don't play those shows as much as I think.

[Diogenes]

Actual testing has been done on these foot pads, you can read about it at the kenrico.com/sapsheet.html site. Scan down the page to see actual materials removed from the body. They also have a service where you can send your used pad in for analysis.Actual testing ? You don't say ?

Actual materials removed from the body ?

Hmmmm.... Let's see .. The sole of the foot is actually part of the body ..

What kind of materials do you suspect might be found on the sole of the foot ?

Do you know if any testing was done to compare a swab of the user's floor, to materials found on the foot pad ?

From your link :

The bottom of the foot is the location where most of the nerves in our body end.
" Our ", as in the people selling your junk?

I suspect most of their nerves do end at their feet..

Fortunately for the rest of us, most of our nerves end at our brain ...

[kosai]

Actual testing has been done on these foot pads, you can read about it at the kenrico.com/sapsheet.html site. Scan down the page to see actual materials removed from the body. They also have a service where you can send your used pad in for analysis.

Uhhh, I don't think they meant tests by a place that sells the pads. Do you expect they would say "These don't work and are a hoax... Buy Today! only $19.95"?

[Hindmost]

To dispose of them, one will need an environmental impact statement for toxic waste.

glenn

[Miss Whiplash]

Actual testing has been done on these foot pads, you can read about it at the kenrico.com/sapsheet.html site. Scan down the page to see actual materials removed from the body. They also have a service where you can send your used pad in for analysis.

I'm sure if I was selling a miracle detox product for $19.99, my lab would back me up, too.

From the page (http://www.kenrico.com/pub.html):

Let's look a little at the science behind the results to help us understand how they work. Any scientist will tell you that Carbon is a fantastic conductor of electricity. Which in layman's terms means that it helps electricity to flow uninterrupted via a circuit, which in this case is the human body.

Please tell me how these charcoal footpads are more efficient than kidneys and sweat glands in ridding the body of waste products and "toxins".

[grayman]

Please tell me how these charcoal footpads are more efficient than kidneys and sweat glands in ridding the body of waste products and "toxins".

I think it's because they use quantums.

[Diogenes]

I'm sure if I was selling a miracle detox product for $19.99, my lab would back me up, too.

From the page (http://www.kenrico.com/pub.html):



Please tell me how these charcoal footpads are more efficient than kidneys and sweat glands in ridding the body of waste products and "toxins".

The page you linked to, says they help with autism and also lower cholesterol ..

Yeah, right ...

[Miss Whiplash]

The page you linked to, says they help with autism and also lower cholesterol ..

Yeah, right ...

I guess the titanium is good for slicing and dicing. The name Kenrico conjures up images of Ronco and Ginsu knives.

[godless dave]

I saw this commercial on G4. I had to laugh when they said it could remove cellulite, because even with my limited knowledge of human biology, I know cellulite is not caused by toxins, it's caused by having fat in certain places of the body.

[Starthinker]

I've seen this commercial many times and all I can think about is, "Kanoki pads, apply directly to the feet, Kanoki pads, apply directly to the feet, Kanoki pads, apply directly to the feet."

I've also noted a trend with other products about getting a "lifetime" supply for free, you just pay shipping and handling. (some sort of rag, wall hooks, and some others.) Of course, shipping and handling is so inflated that only about 5% is going towards the actual shipping and handling.

[Kahalachan]

I was at a smoothie and health food shop today and they had a poster on Reflexology. I didn't know what it was but seeing the poster and its claims set off my woo detection alarm.

When I see a chart that colors parts of the hands and claims pressure will cure certain body parts, that definitely makes me think "woo woo"

[SurfCitySurvivor]

There seems to be an amazing number of negative thinkers of this site, people who, when you read their postings, are quick to slam just about anything that crosses their gloomy path.

After reading all the above-mentioned snake-oil, rip-off, ho-ho postings on this thread, I did a little digging and found a number of sites that have done testing on footpads. Consumer Watch Review offers the most interesting analysis. They list what their tests reveal to be the top performers (Kinoki was tested, but didn't make the cut).

I've ordered Detoxion, which seems to offer the most 'bang for your buck.' I'll report back in a few weeks with results. In the meantime, I'll continue to enjoy reading all the negative postings from the pseudo-scientists, doomsday proponents, and non-believers that are so prevalent on this site.

Mahalo,

~T

[kosai]

T Consumer Watch Review offers the most interesting analysis. They list what their tests reveal to be the top performers (Kinoki was tested, but didn't make the cut).

Did you happen to notice "Consumer Watch Review" only has a review of ONE type of product... That didn't tip you off at all?

http://www.consumerwatchreview.com/

[LTC8K6]

There seems to be an amazing number of negative thinkers of this site, people who, when you read their postings, are quick to slam just about anything that crosses their gloomy path.

After reading all the above-mentioned snake-oil, rip-off, ho-ho postings on this thread, I did a little digging and found a number of sites that have done testing on footpads. Consumer Watch Review offers the most interesting analysis. They list what their tests reveal to be the top performers (Kinoki was tested, but didn't make the cut).

I've ordered Detoxion, which seems to offer the most 'bang for your buck.' I'll report back in a few weeks with results. In the meantime, I'll continue to enjoy reading all the negative postings from the pseudo-scientists, doomsday proponents, and non-believers that are so prevalent on this site.

Mahalo,

~T

Care to share any of these sites with us? I was unable to find any test results at consumerwatchreview. The site seems to be a commercial for the footpads, but then it's likely that you knew that.

[Miss Whiplash]

There seems to be an amazing number of negative thinkers of this site, people who, when you read their postings, are quick to slam just about anything that crosses their gloomy path.

After reading all the above-mentioned snake-oil, rip-off, ho-ho postings on this thread, I did a little digging and found a number of sites that have done testing on footpads. Consumer Watch Review offers the most interesting analysis. They list what their tests reveal to be the top performers (Kinoki was tested, but didn't make the cut).

I've ordered Detoxion, which seems to offer the most 'bang for your buck.' I'll report back in a few weeks with results. In the meantime, I'll continue to enjoy reading all the negative postings from the pseudo-scientists, doomsday proponents, and non-believers that are so prevalent on this site.

Mahalo,

~T

Belief doesn't cut it when it comes to scientific results. Care to elaborate on the testing? Tell us exactly how this or any "detox" product can "detoxify" better than human kidneys, sweat glands, etc. Tell us how nerves in the soles of feet can move toxins for elimination with sticky pads. What is the physiology behind this process? Has this product been approved by the FDA to remove toxins from the body? If not, why?

Please answer these questions promptly or stand with the negative posters, pseudo-scientists, doomsday proponents and non-believers that are so prevalent on this site.

[SurfCitySurvivor]

Belief doesn't cut it when it comes to scientific results. Care to elaborate on the testing? Tell us exactly how this or any "detox" product can "detoxify" better than human kidneys, sweat glands, etc. Tell us how nerves in the soles of feet can move toxins for elimination with sticky pads. What is the physiology behind this process? Has this product been approved by the FDA to remove toxins from the body? If not, why?

Please answer these questions promptly or stand with the negative posters, pseudo-scientists, doomsday proponents and non-believers that are so prevalent on this site.
1. Belief is the essential base element of life.
2. Elaborate? No, thank you...
3. Not "better than," but in a different manner.
4. Nerves don't move toxins, they stimulate the movement.
5. Physiology... come on! I'm a consumer, just like you (well, maybe not quite like you).
6. FDA approval is listed on Detoxions website, along with a 'AA' Better Business Bureau rating.
7. And what's with this threat - "respond promptly or else." My, my...

Your attitude belies any good intention you may have.
BTW - nice tattoo

No more responses to you from me. The last word is yours, Madam... and I have no doubt that you shall have it.

[Miss Whiplash]

Belief doesn't make the world turn. I just thought you should know.

You need to read a bit more. The ingredients are FDA approved. That does not mean the FDA has tested the claims of this product and determined it effective.

The testing of these products was done by Dr. Bill Brooks, ND, DCH of Zirconia, NC. "ND" is not an "MD." He is a Doctor of Naturopathy and Doctor of Clinical Hypnotherapy. One can get these degrees online. He may not be affiliated with this particular product, but he sells his own detox footpads under the name of Sole Pads (http://keystovibranthealth.com/Index.htm). That means he's some old boy up in the mountains near Saluda selling new fangled home remedies.

BTW- I have a holistic, negative ion stone. Place it in your right hand and toxins will vacate your body and your bank account will magically decrease. Just send me $19.99...

[LTC8K6]

What FDA approval? Did the FDA say they wouldn't hurt you? They certainly didn't say the pads actually do any of the stuff claimed. Below is straight from the detoxion pages.

Legal Stuff. The claims made on this website are based on manufacturer documentation believed to be reliable. Holistec makes no claim that there is a scientific consensus regarding these products. The statements on this site have not been evaluated by the FDA. These products are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease. Do not discontinue or delay seeking medical treatment due to use of these product.

[Miss Whiplash]

Doing a bit more digging I've found the adhesive used on the pads are FDA approved and bamboo vinegar is approved for cosmetic use only. As usual with many of these wonder products, these are misleading half truths. The ingredients are approved but not for the proposes claimed in the product description. It's kind of like my famous analogy of using a rectal thermometer to bake a cake. A rectal thermometer is a FDA approved and useful instrument, but is being used for a purpose for which it was not designed.

I'd still love to know how the nerves in feet can eliminate toxins. For some reason, the footpad fans can't come up with any science to back it up.

[JoeEllison]

There seems to be an amazing number of negative thinkers of this site, people who, when you read their postings, are quick to slam just about anything that crosses their gloomy path.

After reading all the above-mentioned snake-oil, rip-off, ho-ho postings on this thread, I did a little digging and found a number of sites that have done testing on footpads. Consumer Watch Review offers the most interesting analysis. They list what their tests reveal to be the top performers (Kinoki was tested, but didn't make the cut).

I've ordered Detoxion, which seems to offer the most 'bang for your buck.' I'll report back in a few weeks with results. In the meantime, I'll continue to enjoy reading all the negative postings from the pseudo-scientists, doomsday proponents, and non-believers that are so prevalent on this site.

Mahalo,

~T
You fell for a scam. Shouldn't people be negative towards scams? Or should you feel happy that someone cheated you out of your money?

Come on..."Consumer Watch Review", a division of "Truth Detectors, International"?!?! You've been played, player. :cool:

[Mister Earl]

Hrmm. Does look like a scam to me. Let's take a look at the WHOIS information for that consumer watch site:

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Interesting. "Domain by proxy". Here's what their site says:

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Basically the consumer site doesn't want you to know who actually OWNS it, and is using this proxy company so you can't find out. A legit company would have contact information for the WHOIS. For example, look at IBM's:

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Note how they have multiple forms of contact. Addresses, phone numbers, email addresses, and so on. This doesn't prove that the site is a scam of course, but it sure looks it.

[Mister Earl]

Next, let's take a look at how often "Truth Detectors, International" appears with a simple google search:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=mTl&q=%22Truth+Detectors%2C+International%22&btnG=Search

Answer: Two. One on that consumer site, once for this specific forum. If the consumer site were a "Division" of "Truth Detectors, International", that would suggest that there were other divisions. Apparently there are none.

Let's get down to brass tacks, here. This site is a fraud. It's merely an ad posing as a consumer watch agency. It's no different than the ads in newspapers that are posing as legit columns (We've all seen those. This is why newspapers now box them and add, in small print to the top or bottom, "this is an advertisement" or just "advertisement".)

You've been cheated. There's no kind way to say it.

[Mister Earl]

There seems to be an amazing number of negative thinkers of this site, people who, when you read their postings, are quick to slam just about anything that crosses their gloomy path.
[...]
In the meantime, I'll continue to enjoy reading all the negative postings from the pseudo-scientists, doomsday proponents, and non-believers that are so prevalent on this site.

There is a reason for that. There are a large number of people out there looking to part people not knowledgeable in the ways of critical thinking with their hard earned money. There are people like this Kinoki company, Sylvia Brown, "Doctor Frank and his pet spray", ect. who are blatantly ripping people off. We abhor that. We appear to be cynical because we are. We don't like seeing honest people ripped off, and it gets our hackles up. If they, or anyone else for that matter, could prove that these products work, we'd be more than happy to say that we were wrong. It just hasn't happened yet.

[skeptigirl]

Actual testing has been done on these foot pads, you can read about it at the kenrico.com/sapsheet.html site. Scan down the page to see actual materials removed from the body. They also have a service where you can send your used pad in for analysis.I detect a person seeking out web discussions of this product. Would you be involved in selling this fraud, New Blood?

How is it you joined a year ago and show only one post but your name is so familiar? I'm having false memories or something. I can only see that Volantis is a common brand name and a star.

[Hindmost]

Why do the woos think they can fool us? Anyone willing to ingest some mercury or lead and test the footpads??? Or uranium or plutonium...that would be waaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy cool.

glenn

[skeptigirl]

.....

Please tell me how these charcoal footpads ....Hmmmm, charcoal + sweaty feet...

Now how could those pads turn so black when you use them???? Hmmmm?

[skeptigirl]

There seems to be an amazing number of negative thinkers of this site, people who, when you read their postings, are quick to slam just about anything that crosses their gloomy path.

After reading all the above-mentioned snake-oil, rip-off, ho-ho postings on this thread, I did a little digging and found a number of sites that have done testing on footpads. Consumer Watch Review offers the most interesting analysis. They list what their tests reveal to be the top performers (Kinoki was tested, but didn't make the cut).

I've ordered Detoxion, which seems to offer the most 'bang for your buck.' I'll report back in a few weeks with results. In the meantime, I'll continue to enjoy reading all the negative postings from the pseudo-scientists, doomsday proponents, and non-believers that are so prevalent on this site.

Mahalo,

~TSo are you a Volantis sock puppet or are there a couple of you out selling your product on forums which discuss it?

Yawn... Oh we are all so cynical. It couldn't possibly be that we know a scam when we see it, that this is one of a gazillion scams, that charcoal and sweat makes a pad black, that toxins cannot physiologically be pulled out of the bottom of your feet, that no evidence has been presented for the possibility of it working, let alone independent verification it actually did work.

The real mystery here is how does this crap sell so well that the sellers can afford to put on an infomercial. What a sad commentary on the sheeple world.

[skeptigirl]

Consumer Watch Review (http://www.consumerwatchreview.com/footpatchreview.htm)

Now isn't that interesting. They seem to have only evaluated A SINGLE PRODUCT! Wonder how many domain names you had to try out before getting one that sounded official?

Really you guys, you should at least make an effort to fake a home page for CWR.

[skeptigirl]

You fell for a scam. I'm not sure he "fell for" it. I think it is more likely he is in on it.

[skeptigirl]

Hrmm. Does look like a scam to me. Let's take a look at the WHOIS information for that consumer watch site:....Just as we figured.

Could you share with me how you research domain name registrations?

Nevermind, found it (http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/index.jsp). Thanks

[JoeEllison]

I'm not sure he "fell for" it. I think it is more likely he is in on it.

Good point... it could very well be thinly disguised spam: "Oh, I saw this great website, you've GOT TO CHECK IT OUT!!" :mad:

[Olowkow]

There seems to be an amazing number of negative thinkers of this site, people who, when you read their postings, are quick to slam just about anything that crosses their gloomy path.

After reading all the above-mentioned snake-oil, rip-off, ho-ho postings on this thread, I did a little digging and found a number of sites that have done testing on footpads. Consumer Watch Review offers the most interesting analysis. They list what their tests reveal to be the top performers (Kinoki was tested, but didn't make the cut).

I've ordered Detoxion, which seems to offer the most 'bang for your buck.' I'll report back in a few weeks with results. In the meantime, I'll continue to enjoy reading all the negative postings from the pseudo-scientists, doomsday proponents, and non-believers that are so prevalent on this site.



I read this and thought, "wow, great satire"! Wish I could come up with something as good. But then, I realized he was serious.

"Consumer Watch Review" is a hoot. Just remove /footpatchreview.htm from the url and you have....are you ready? FOOTPATCH reviews! Just like Underwriters Labs reviews only "underwriters" I guess. They are trying to get readers to believe these items are in competition with each other, when in fact, near as I can tell, they are all the same company.

This one "pseudo-scientist" that won't be de-toxifying soon.

I'm trying to find a good way to phrase the question, but...Why do you believe this? It is such an obvious scam.

[Dymanic]

I'd rather not visit the site personally. I'm just wondering if anybody who has actually done that knows how much they charge for the analysis service. It might be a cheap way to do a crude check for, say, lead contamination on your FLOORS.

[JFrankA]

you can get the same effect using duct tape.


*thinking...thinking* I got it!!!!


Buy NEW JFrankA's Silver Arm Wrap Rolls!!! (tm) NEW

Based on early ..uhm... boxer's wrappings, the JFrankA's Silver Arm Wrap Rolls (tm) will stay on your Arm for a few days, draining dangerous...uh... negative... uhm... bio-poisons!! (Ooo, that's good!). From your body.... after wearing it for a week...no. a month!

The JFrankA's Silver Arm Wrap Rolls (tm) will cure uh ... pain.. (eventually), uhm....keeps your blood flowing... stops cuts from bleeding.... ..uh.. well, reduces stress, anxiety, and .. and ... bad ...stuff in your life!!

The holositc...no, uhm... magica.... no... uh uh uh... quantum....no.. OH!!! Microscopic ...uh... gravity ...uhm, uhm... ions draws the (what was the words I used..oh yeah) negative bio-poisons that collect on your skin. No... wait, not your skin, your sweat glands. Yeah! That's it. Normally your sweat stays on your skin, but put JFrankA's Silver Arm Bands just under your arms where you sweat the most and it will collect the sweat that is full of the negative bio-poisons that usually collect on your skin.

And it's easy to use!! Just wrap the tape...damn.. I mean the JFrankA's Silver Arm Band (tm) around your arm once and it stays on due to the...uh.... Microscopic ...uh... Gravity ... Ions.... and it stays!!!

Don't believe me, ask this doctor who is sitting beside me:

Hi. I am a doctor and I'm NOT JFrankA. This product works!!!!!

See?

So Buy JFrankA's Sliver Arm Band Rolls (tm) today!!! Only $19.95 a roll!! Plus $10.00 postage and handling. Order a lifetime supply for only $15.00 more!! (That's THREE..no, uh.. FIVE rolls!!!)







Okay now, I just need to get to Home Depot, and I have to get a website up that has nothing to do with my product.... I wonder if "Consumer Fraud Protection.com" has been taken.......

......uhm.. I don't think I meant to type that last bit........

[skeptigirl]

I'd rather not visit the site personally. I'm just wondering if anybody who has actually done that knows how much they charge for the analysis service. It might be a cheap way to do a crude check for, say, lead contamination on your FLOORS.I would suggest that one fraud hardly gives one confidence the other half of the equation is somehow reliable.

[Dymanic]

I would suggest that one fraud hardly gives one confidence the other half of the equation is somehow reliable.You know, that actually occured to me as well, and it's part of why I used the word "crude". But it's not hard to see why they'd be motivated to find harmful substances on the pads, and to legitimize the testing process as much as possible, because they're counting on that to act as the diversion. The sleight of hand is that whatever they find on those pads didn't come from the inside of anybody's foot, but from the outside. Like many conjurer's tricks, once you see what's going on, it's hard to see how anybody could fall for it.

[SurfCitySurvivor]

As I read through this thread, one thought comes to mind that hasn't been presented. Consider this:

We all bathe on a regular basis. Why?... To cleanse our bodies of not just the soil that we have gathered via contact (dirty hands, etc.) but also to wash away the substances that our bodies expel.

Let me speak plainly - When one doesn't bathe, what do we begin to notice? Odor from those parts of our bodies that channel the expulsion of said waste. And where do we most notice this odor? Armpits, crotch, and feet.

Could it be possible that a procedure such as acupuncture, or a product such as foot pads, may stimulate or enhance this natural process? Could these pads be akin to the poultice, which is a widely accepted and used medical product? Hmmm...

What would make this thread more fun would be a little more open-mindedness, some acknowledgement of the possibility that, hey, is there a chance that this concept may be valid?

Mahalo

~T

[kosai]

As I read through this thread, one thought comes to mind that hasn't been presented. Consider this:

We all bathe on a regular basis. Why?... To cleanse our bodies of not just the soil that we have gathered via contact (dirty hands, etc.) but also to wash away the substances that our bodies expel.

Let me speak plainly - When one doesn't bathe, what do we begin to notice? Odor from those parts of our bodies that channel the expulsion of said waste. And where do we most notice this odor? Armpits, crotch, and feet.

Could it be possible that a procedure such as acupuncture, or a product such as foot pads, may stimulate or enhance this natural process? Could these pads be akin to the poultice, which is a widely accepted and used medical product? Hmmm...

What would make this thread more fun would be a little more open-mindedness, some acknowledgement of the possibility that, hey, is there a chance that this concept may be valid?

Mahalo

~T


It's a nice try at a theory however, It doesn't hold up to the science very well. You have two types of sweat glands, Apocrine and Eccrine. Eccrine sweat glands emit electrolytes and water, it's not a smelly type of sweat. The Apocrine sweat glands are the main culprit for producing B.O., the reason for this is that they emit electrolytes, water and FAT. The fat is "broken down" (read eaten, excreted) by bacteria. This is where the odor comes from. So how do you know where to look for those nasty Apocrine sweat glands? The easy answer is, look for body hair, where it grows (in 2 of the 3 places you mentioned) you will find Apocrine sweat glands. Where is the eccrine glands most common? In the tough skin on your hands and feet. Foot odor is caused due to the constrictiveness of shoes, making a hot, moist place where bacteria can breed is a likely route to a foul smell. However, JFrankA has introduced a product in this thread that I'd at least find more likely to work, we all just need to keep an 'open mind.'

[SurfCitySurvivor]

Thinker's response~
So how do you know where to look for those nasty Apocrine sweat glands? The easy answer is, look for body hair, where it grows (in 2 of the 3 places you mentioned) you will find Apocrine sweat glands.

However, JFrankA has introduced a product in this thread that I'd at least find more likely to work, we all just need to keep an 'open mind.'[/QUOTE]


Re: Thinker's response~
Hmmm... Glad we all shampoo and shave daily, just think how smelly our heads and faces would be.

Good luck with your duct tape, and your "open mind.":rolleyes:

Ho ho

~T

[Miss Whiplash]

Thinker's response~
So how do you know where to look for those nasty Apocrine sweat glands? The easy answer is, look for body hair, where it grows (in 2 of the 3 places you mentioned) you will find Apocrine sweat glands.

However, JFrankA has introduced a product in this thread that I'd at least find more likely to work, we all just need to keep an 'open mind.'


Re: Thinker's response~
Hmmm... Glad we all shampoo and shave daily, just think how smelly our heads and faces would be.

Good luck with your duct tape, and your "open mind.":rolleyes:

Ho ho

~T

Will you submit your foot pads for independent testing? By independent I mean someone other than a Mountain Doctor who sells the same footpads.

Tell me though, if you had a bad, life threatening, infection what would you do - use footpads or go to a doctor and take antibiotics?

[SurfCitySurvivor]

Will you submit your foot pads for independent testing? By independent I mean someone other than a Mountain Doctor who sells the same footpads.

Tell me though, if you had a bad, life threatening, infection what would you do - use footpads or go to a doctor and take antibiotics?
They are not my footpads, so no, I won't submit them any more quickly than you likely will. I would, however, be interested in seeing the results of such an evaluation.

No, I would not use these footpads to counter a life-threatening infection. Nor would I use them to treat a sprained ankle, blurred vision, venereal warts, stuttering, or a toothache. :confused:

[JFrankA]

However, JFrankA has introduced a product in this thread that I'd at least find more likely to work, we all just need to keep an 'open mind.'


Really??? ...I mean.... Yeah, I know. I...I...I planned that.. uh.. it's trademarked and everything.....


Wow. I've got customers now!! Guess I'd better run to Home Depot and pick up some Duck Taaaaaaaa..... stuff for my business..........

*whew* got away with that one.......

[SurfCitySurvivor]

Sir,

Is that Duct Ta... uh, product of yours FDA registered & approved?

And may I ask, do you recommend it for hemorrhoids?: :eek:

~T

[skeptigirl]

Thinker's response~
So how do you know where to look for those nasty Apocrine sweat glands? The easy answer is, look for body hair, where it grows (in 2 of the 3 places you mentioned) you will find Apocrine sweat glands.

However, JFrankA has introduced a product in this thread that I'd at least find more likely to work, we all just need to keep an 'open mind.'


Re: Thinker's response~
Hmmm... Glad we all shampoo and shave daily, just think how smelly our heads and faces would be.

Good luck with your duct tape, and your "open mind.":rolleyes:

Ho ho

~T[/QUOTE]
Be wary of sock puppets in new blood clothing.

[skeptigirl]

Sir,

Is that Duct Ta... uh, product of yours FDA registered & approved?

And may I ask, do you recommend it for hemorrhoids?: :eek:

~T
Surf City, this is a skeptics board. Do you really think we don't understand how the FDA works?

Those pads do not have FDA approval as an effective toxin remover. Who are you kidding? And don't try to tell us you aren't involved in sales in some way. I doubt these quack products have a fan following at this stage.

[skeptigirl]

Has anyone posted these links yet?

The Biggest Medical Scam Since Alex Chiu's Immortality Device (http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/01/the-biggest-inf.html)

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"The Purse" forum: See post #3 (http://forum.purseblog.com/health-and-fitness/do-kinoki-foot-pads-work-167325.html). Notice also that SoCalGuy (a newbie there) at first looks like a Kinoki sock puppet but then turns out to be hawking a competitor's product. And they've taken the domain name, http://www.kinoki.com/ .

Sheesh, looks like a franchise with someone else selling the product to the sellers.

Post #12 is hilarious.

Milkisbad (1 post) another sock puppet. These guys are out in force among the forums. There are 17 pages in that forum on this product. I only looked at page one. If anyone else has the time, it'd be interesting to know how many product selling sock puppets there are on the thread. Maybe I'll try to count them up later if no one else gets around to it.

--------------------------

This blog entry (http://www.wanderings.net/notebook/Main/KinokiDetoxFootPads#comment22) on the pads has a link to this thread. :D

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Skeptiod, The Detoxification Myth (http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4083)

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FDA Website Search Results - Your search - kinoki - did not match any documents. (http://google2.fda.gov/search?client=FDA&site=FDA&lr=&proxystylesheet=FDA&output=xml_no_dtd&getfields=*&q=kinoki&as=GO)

[JFrankA]

Sir,

Is that Duct Ta... uh, product of yours FDA registered & approved?

And may I ask, do you recommend it for hemorrhoids?:

~T




Huh? FD what? Oh, those guys, yeah, it's all, uhm, clear, good, they said whatever needs to be said to, you know, uhm, buy a lot of it......

Oh, hemorrhoids? Well, uh sure, yeah, it helps with them too. Why not?


....How many should I put you down for?

[SurfCitySurvivor]

I'm flattered that some of you think I'm one of them. Really, now... if I were involved with one of these companies, why would I ever bother entering this forum and try to argue my case? It says a lot about some people, when they run out of ammunition, their last argument is: "sock puppet."

Bottom line is, I haven't seen a solid fact from anyone here showing that footpads don't work, anymore than I have shown that they do. This being my last posting, and visit, for that matter, I leave this site with the understanding that you haven't shown me anything beyond your enormous capacity for skepticism. But I guess that's what this site is all about - skepticism. Some of you are quite bright, some think they're bright, and there are a few really dim lamps out there.

But my best unanswered qustion remains, how are footpads different in concept (key word: concept!) from the revered poultice? I'll let you all kick that around among yourselves... I'm outta here. And no, I'm not rushing off to fill orders for my product. The Masters of Curling final match is coming on CBC Canada TV soon, and watching curling, or watching paint dry, for that matter, is a lot a lot more stimulating than debating with you.

I truly hope that you each someday discover something that you can believe in.

It's really been a hoot,

~T

[fls]

But my best unanswered qustion remains, how are footpads different in concept (key word: concept!) from the revered poultice?

Ooo, let me try.

Poult ice protects your fowl. Footpads foul your protection.

Did I win?

I'll let you all kick that around among yourselves...

~T

Teehee. You made a funny.

Linda

[Olowkow]

We all bathe on a regular basis. Why?... To cleanse our bodies of not just the soil that we have gathered via contact (dirty hands, etc.) but also to wash away the substances that our bodies expel.
... And where do we most notice this odor? Armpits, crotch, and feet.


Actually, sweat is odorless, until it is attacked by bacteria.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_odor

And isn't it just a whole lot easier, cheaper, and more fun, to take a shower than to cover the body with pads? Might miss a spot!

Don't think I want these on my crotch or armpits...any time soon.

[Dr. Lao]

Get a few paper towels.

Soak them in vinegar.

Let them dry.

apply to the bottom of your feet for a day or so.

You will have all kinds of black spots, you've been healed! Your chakras will be harmonized and you will be detoxed of engrams.

Send me 50 bucks.

[Miss Whiplash]

Bottom line is, I haven't seen a solid fact from anyone here showing that footpads don't work, anymore than I have shown that they do.

That's just it, you've not presented any evidence they do work. The burden of proof is not on us. It's on you and your foot pads as you are making a wild claim.

As you hurl accusations and derision to us, we are watching you engage in the Twenty Five Fallacies (http://www.positiveatheism.org/writ/sherm3.htm) of poor thinking. Please read over the list or enroll in Logic 101. In the meantime, the only dim bulb (http://www.mondoskepto.com/images/dimbulb3.jpg) here is you.

[fls]

That's just it, you've not presented any evidence they do work. The burden of proof is not on us. It's on you and your foot pads as you are making a wild claim.

Dr. Adequate says that the burden of proof is on the person claiming the exception.* Since most of the things we could do have no therapeutic effect, to claim that something does is an exception. It seems to me that this should be a 'stopper'; it should end arguments about just who has the burden of proof. But will it work in someone who is committed to being unreasonable?

Linda

*A vague recollection that may not represent what he actually said or may not have been him.

[Miss Whiplash]

Dr. Adequate says that the burden of proof is on the person claiming the exception.* Since most of the things we could do have no therapeutic effect, to claim that something does is an exception. It seems to me that this should be a 'stopper'; it should end arguments about just who has the burden of proof. But will it work in someone who is committed to being unreasonable?

Linda

*A vague recollection that may not represent what he actually said or may not have been him.

True. I know this guy is a passing sniper and heckler, but still there is a chance something we say may jog his works and the light of reason will wink on in his brain.

[Drudgewire]

watching curling, or watching paint dry
A more apt analogy of curling you'll never find. :p

[JFrankA]

Get a few paper towels.

Soak them in vinegar.

Let them dry.

apply to the bottom of your feet for a day or so.

You will have all kinds of black spots, you've been healed! Your chakras will be harmonized and you will be detoxed of engrams.

Send me 50 bucks.


Dude!!!! What are you doing???!!!! We can make a lot of money on this wooo.....uuunderful... ancient chinese secret......which boxers used.....so we can use it to help heal people with ..with.....with the things.......that they have.....stuff that....needs to be healed.......

[Robaato]

Hanzi Smatter (http://www.hanzismatter.com/2008/01/kinoki-detox-foot-pads.html) weighs in on Kinoki...well, at least their hanzi name. ("Tree treesap?!")

Tian also says that the Kinoki pads are a direct rip off of a Japanese product that's marketed as a way to reduce sweat and foot odor, with no claims as to detox and such. The linked Japanese website also shows that the pads can be used in areas other than feet.

[skeptigirl]

I beg to differ there is no evidence these pads do not work. There is that little thing called anatomy and physiology that we do have quite a wealth of evidence collected which provides all the evidence one needs to see these pads are not drawing toxins from one's body.

Sweating and other mechanisms for detoxifying and excreting things from the body which are harmful are well understood. Except for a few people with hyperhidrosis, very little is lost from the body through the thickened layer of dead skin cells which accumulate on the bottom surfaces of one's feet. And sweating as well as the excretion of oils from one's skin structures is an active, not a passive process.

If you could pull stuff out through your skin, what would protect you from the reverse? And in case you weren't aware, you'd die without skin because you'd lose all your body fluids. Your skin is a barrier that keeps things both inside and outside. That is called evidence.

[The Man]

If one is trying to make the argument that this product might in some way increase or aid the body’s natural excretory processes then perhaps they might relieve constipation. Although having the crap literally drawn out of your feet might not be an appealing concept. In my opinion this product actually works in reverse, if you are using this product then I think you would have an excess of crap on your feet and that crap would be draw up through your feet and would fill your head with even more crap.

[littlehulkster]

Want to detox for real?

Stop smoking, eating junk food, drinking gallons of soda and hit the road in your Nikes. Don't come back until you've vomited.

DETOX COMPLETE, PLEASE PAY ME $100/HR THANKS.

[*THORN*]

the funniest thing i saw in that footpatch add was their attempt to seem scientific when they used the analogy of the tree which they said sucked in nutrients through its leaves and pushed the toxins down the trunk and out through the roots. they even put a diagram to illustrate this. i burst out laughing so hard because any 8th grader should be able to tell you that trees suck up all its nutrients through its roots. only things absorbed by leaves are sunlight and Carbon-dioxide. they would also know that those nutrients absorbed by the roots are pushed up to the leaves where they're used to make starch. the only waste trees put out is oxygen, nowhere in any of its processes does it excrete any toxins, especially not through the roots.

[Sefarst]

So Kinoki foot pads don't suck heavy metals out of your body through your feet? Yeah, right. Next thing you know, you guys are going to try and tell me that chicken soup and 7up don't cure the flu. I'm on to you, "skeptics."

[Ralph]

I'm flattered that some of you think I'm one of them. Really, now... if I were involved with one of these companies, why would I ever bother entering this forum and try to argue my case? It says a lot about some people, when they run out of ammunition, their last argument is: "sock puppet."

Bottom line is, I haven't seen a solid fact from anyone here showing that footpads don't work, anymore than I have shown that they do. This being my last posting, and visit, for that matter, I leave this site with the understanding that you haven't shown me anything beyond your enormous capacity for skepticism. But I guess that's what this site is all about - skepticism. Some of you are quite bright, some think they're bright, and there are a few really dim lamps out there.

But my best unanswered qustion remains, how are footpads different in concept (key word: concept!) from the REVERED POULTICE? I'll let you all kick that around among yourselves... I'm outta here. And no, I'm not rushing off to fill orders for my product. The Masters of Curling final match is coming on CBC Canada TV soon, and watching curling, or watching paint dry, for that matter, is a lot a lot more stimulating than debating with you.

I truly hope that you each someday discover something that you can believe in.

It's really been a hoot,

~T

The revered poultice? I've been a hospital pharmacist for 25 years. I don't recall ever once seeing a physician order a poultice.

Who's doing all this revering?

[The Man]

i burst out laughing so hard because any 8th grader should be able to tell you that trees suck up all its nutrients through its roots.


Exactly, this is the basis of my crap from the feet to the head theory regarding how this product truly functions

[Mongrel]

The revered poultice? I've been a hospital pharmacist for 25 years. I don't recall ever once seeing a physician order a poultice.

Who's doing all this revering?

Well I have a few nursing aid books from the '50s, picked up from an antique shop, that feature a lot of poultices so his standard of medical knowledge is about par for a woo. ;)

[*THORN*]

maybe i have my chemistry wrong but maybe the reason why the pad changes color is that after soaking up all that dirt and exfoliated skin off the sole of the feet, the pad becomes a sort of nest for bacteria where in the presence of the vinegar it all kinda ferments and rapidly breeds bacteria or something. i know that vinegar is a weak acid and i know that acids are very reactive agents and will react with almost anything to provide a wide variety of results

[Mongrel]

maybe i have my chemistry wrong but maybe the reason why the pad changes color is that after soaking up all that dirt and exfoliated skin off the sole of the feet, the pad becomes a sort of nest for bacteria where in the presence of the vinegar it all kinda ferments and rapidly breeds bacteria or something. i know that vinegar is a weak acid and i know that acids are very reactive agents and will react with almost anything to provide a wide variety of results

It's even simpler than that, although dirty feet will help the process, the vinegar reacts with moisture and turns brown, check Sciencepunk (http://www.sciencepunk.com/v5/index.php?s=foot+pad&searchbutton=Go%21)for a quick feet Vs water experiment

I'm pretty sure I got the link from here so apologies for repeats, tried looking but concentration's all over the place today :(

[kosai]

I'm pretty sure I got the link from here so apologies for repeats, tried looking but concentration's all over the place today :(

Lack of Concentration?? Sounds like you got a bad case of the toxins boy.

[*THORN*]

It's even simpler than that, although dirty feet will help the process, the vinegar reacts with moisture and turns brown, check Sciencepunk for a quick feet Vs water experiment

I'm pretty sure I got the link from here so apologies for repeats, tried looking but concentration's all over the place today :(
wow, that simple huh. i knew it wasn't anything very technical since acids react with nearly everything. i guess sweat and other moisture plus dirt drive the color change

[Sandy M]

The revered poultice? I've been a hospital pharmacist for 25 years. I don't recall ever once seeing a physician order a poultice.

Who's doing all this revering?


Uh...maybe he means the "revered" poultice as in VETERINARY medicine.

For minor leg injuries, one may "poultice" a horse by putting on its leg a mixture of kaolin clay, Eucalyptus oil and methly salicylate, which seems to help draw down inflammation and swelling for TEMPORARY relief from minor strains to soft tissue, ligaments and tendons. of course, the long term "cure" is simply RESTING the injured horse. (and rest, of course will eventually cure the condition, whether you poultice it or not)

[Ralph]

Uh...maybe he means the "revered" poultice as in VETERINARY medicine.

For minor leg injuries, one may "poultice" a horse by putting on its leg a mixture of kaolin clay, Eucalyptus oil and methly salicylate, which seems to help draw down inflammation and swelling for TEMPORARY relief from minor strains to soft tissue, ligaments and tendons. of course, the long term "cure" is simply RESTING the injured horse. (and rest, of course will eventually cure the condition, whether you poultice it or not)


I've had a dogs and a cat hanging around the house for about the same 25 years.

Never seen a vet order a poultice either.

Methyl salicylate & Eucalyptus oil are used in topical preparations for humans.....but they don't work by sucking mysterious toxins out of the body.

I think the only "revering" being done is by the people making money off this crap.

[Sandy M]

I've had a dogs and a cat hanging around the house for about the same 25 years.

Never seen a vet order a poultice either.

Methyl salicylate & Eucalyptus oil are used in topical preparations for humans.....but they don't work by sucking mysterious toxins out of the body.

I think the only "revering" being done is by the people making money off this crap.

By no means saying a poultice would withdraw toxins. Just saying poultices are used in veterinary medicine (for horses, not dogs or cats), but not for the purposes that the Kinoki supporter implies.

[The Man]

I just watched the commercial again and there was something I must have missed before. It says the foot pads contains ions to “refresh your body and enhance your overall wellbeing” would these be positive ions or negative ions or for them does it just not make any difference. If it is negative ionic crap then it may neutralize the positive ionic crap already in the head of the users of this product. If it is positive ionic crap then it would not be attracted by the positive crap already in the users head. I must now rethink my crap to the head trough the feet theory or, as I suspect, consider the fact that crap is just crap and is attracted by other crap, regardless of its ionization.

[mmahler]

I'm trying to get rid of this athelete's foot, which is about the only thing this thing doesn't claim to cure. Thanks a lot Kinoki, you jerks.

For real though, who wants to put a pad on their foot and then wake up and pull it off and look at the big brown smear? That's like wiping your ass and leaving the toliet paper in there until morning to absorb the fecal matter.
Well only someone who has used it would know that is exactly what it looks like! Thanks for making me laugh so hard I P.... my self

[mmahler]

Ok After the last post I have to say I am guilty as charged:D.... but after one night I am so grossed out that I want my money back...tomorrow they are going in an envelope and I'm calling my back with the return slip....
I found this on them this morning:
The footpads do not work. The discoloration on the pad is just an iron reaction with your sweat (basically creating rust on the pad). The change in time of the color of the pad until it is white is due to a layer (Im not sure of what yet) being deposited on your foot by the pad. When you dont wear the pad for a few days (ie, building up toxins) your socks, shoes, etc rub this layer off and when you wear the pad again after not having worn it for a few days, it will turn dark again, gradually build up another layer on your foot and the cycle repeats..

Furthermore you have a really weird sticky film on your foot :eek:of God know what ... after wearing one for one night.... (the film also transfered to my other foot when I scratch the pad during the night with my foot) Frankly, that was enough to give me the heebie jeebies. My foot also burned all day where I had it on...hmmmm may be I should get that checked out...

Anyway...thanks again for the laughs!!!! You guys are too much....

[mmahler]

BTW it was my husband who was the sucker but I am guilty by association

[Biscuit]

NPR had a really good, and funny, report on the Kinoki footpads today. I figured there wasn't much point in starting a new thread for this.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=93710963

[fuelair]

NPR had a really good, and funny, report on the Kinoki footpads today. I figured there wasn't much point in starting a new thread for this.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=93710963Yep - thought about a thread and ran across this - their testing really made it look like the waste it is!!
:D

[SoBitter]

An acquaintance of mine used these a few months ago and also mentioned that they react to iron. She is anemic so her kinoki 20 dollar iron detectors did not change colors. I mean, her blood was so pure that no toxins could be removed.

[elipse]

Quackwatch has an article on these. They work just like those detoxifying foot baths- they react with moisture, whether or not your feet touch 'em. ABC did an investigative piece on them, too. I can't link, or post urls, but if you go to quackwatch, you can find it via "consumer health digest #08-16", or just search for "foot pads".

[Biscuit]

How odd that Kinoki company doesn't comment. One should have to verify the claims they make about their products or pay back the money they take.

[Bob Blaylock]

These things — like most things of similar nature — work very well for their intended purpose. What too many people fail to understand is that the intended purpose of these things is to separate gullible suckers from their money.

[Anne Thraz]

For those who could not hear the NPR radio clip about Kinoki (some links don't last forever), the reporter took a fresh new Kinoki pad (bright white) and the one her husband had worn all night (which was greyish) to a professional chem lab and found out that the heavy metals found in the used pad were virtually identical to those found in the unused pad; that the pads came from the manufacturer with minute traces of heavy metals (this was not uncommon in the manufacturing of almost anything, so by itself this fact was not sinister) and the metals were not from her husband's feet. As for the used pad being greyish and dingy, it turned out there was something in the pad's ingredients that turned it grey when exposed to the moisture of the human foot; holding a fresh unused pad over a pot of boiling water similarly turned it grey.
A physician gave his opinion that the body eliminates heavy metals and other toxins through a variety of methods, mostly involving the digestive system, but not through the soles of the feet.
According to NPR, the Kinoki company did not return phone calls asking for their comment.

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I had not thought to test fresh Kinoki pads, I simply assumed that whatever showed up on the used Kinoki was detritus from the surface of the skin - not from the interior of the body, primarily accumulated from even a limited amount of walking barefoot around the house. The NPR analysis was quite informative.

[UnrepentantSinner]

Our local Fox station did a Deal or Dud test on the foot pads. Guess what the verdict was?
http://www.myfoxdfw.com/myfox/pages/ContentDetail?contentId=7851655

[Drewbot]

I wonder if feet are becoming the new accupuncture.

I recently read an email that claimed Vicks vaporub put generously on the feet, will stop a cough 100% of the time.

[Travis]

I wonder if feet are becoming the new accupuncture.

I recently read an email that claimed Vicks vaporub put generously on the feet, will stop a cough 100% of the time.

What was the pseudoscience explanation behind that?

[The Man]

I wonder if feet are becoming the new accupuncture.

I recently read an email that claimed Vicks vaporub put generously on the feet, will stop a cough 100% of the time.


What was the pseudoscience explanation behind that?



Probably some variant of Reflexology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflexology), which as a whole is not very new.