Al Franken - didn't write own book + perpetual jacka_s

[Nie Trink Wasser]

what IS it with loud-mouthed, jacka_s liberals ?

they can't seem to write their own books AND they can't seem to actually READ the books they critique......strange lot of fools they are.

;)


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USED OFFICIAL UNIVERSITY LETTERHEAD IN CRANK LETTER TO ATTORNEY GENERAL ASHCROFT...

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/frankenabs1.html

Al Franken In Sorry State
Comedian apologizes to Ashcroft for "imprudent attempt at satire"
AUGUST 20--Comedian Al Franken last month wrote an apology letter to Attorney General John Ashcroft, admitting that he was not truthful when he previously sought Ashcroft's views on abstinence.
....
Franken's missive, written on letterhead from Harvard University's John F. Kennedy School of Government, claimed that he had already received abstinence stories from other prominent Republicans, including Condoleezza Rice and Senator Rick Santorum. However, in his July 11 apology, Franken admitted that he had not received those abstinence stories and called his solicitation to Ashcroft, "an imprudent attempt at satire."




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author 'given' 14 Harvard assistants to research anti-Right Wing Media book...


""Lies" contains lots of citations and statistics because Franken, during a fellowship this year at Harvard's Shorenstein press center, was given 14 research assistants to help him scour the media archives. Critics will undoubtedly find it as selective as the conservative books (by Ann Coulter and Bernard Goldberg, among others) that he skewers. "

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A56418-2003Aug27.html

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser
author 'given' 14 Harvard assistants to research anti-Right Wing Media book... I'm curious. How does having help in researching the book equal him not actually writing the book, in your opinion?

[Ziggurat]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser
what IS it with loud-mouthed, jacka_s liberals ?


I don't know, what is it with loud-mouthed, jacka_s conservatives? You can speak with authority on that question.

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by Upchurch
I'm curious. How does having help in researching the book equal him not actually writing the book, in your opinion?


when one goes to "write" a book, they also may research while writing such a book.When one cannot even do their own research and rely on others to supply the content for the book, it's LAME.

Hillary Clinton 5 ghostwriter LAME.

[Silicon]

Nie trink wasser doesn't even READ Franken's book + perpetual troll.


Franken describes the entire research project in full IN the book.

The researchers are characters in the book. Their pictures and biographies are in the book.


You, however, are a troll.

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by Silicon
Nie trink wasser doesn't even READ Franken's book + perpetual troll.


Franken describes the entire research project in full IN the book.

The researchers are characters in the book. Their pictures and biographies are in the book.


You, however, are a troll.


wow...seems like a creative waste of space.


Ive read parts of the book and I dont claim to have read the entire book.......and if you've noticed I havent claimed to have read the book.


why does he waste so much space talking about his credentials and dedicating space to the people who researched the book, when he could supposedly be "tearing down" those lying evil conservatives.....

from everything Ive read he fails to do it, again.

just make more of a jackass of himself for "comic" relief....if you find things like that funny.

[Tricky]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser
when one goes to "write" a book, they also may research while writing such a book.When one cannot even do their own research and rely on others to supply the content for the book, it's LAME.
Oh please please please tell me you think that Ann Coulter and Bill O'Reilly don't use research assistants. It will be such a pleasure to make you look like a hypocritical fool.

The only difference is, Al Franken gives his assistants credit.

[hgc]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser



wow...seems like a creative waste of space.


Ive read parts of the book and I dont claim to have read the entire book.......and if you've noticed I havent claimed to have read the book.


why does he waste so much space talking about his credentials and dedicating space to the people who researched the book, when he could supposedly be "tearing down" those lying evil conservatives.....

from everything Ive read he fails to do it, again.

just make more of a jackass of himself for "comic" relief....if you find things like that funny. This concept may be a big step up from the "see Dick run" kind of books you're used to, but a book can be about multiple, related topics, e.g., lying conservatives AND the process of doing the research about lying conservatives. You think that second topic is a waste of space, but you probably think that about the whole book anyway, so who cares?

[Crossbow]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser



when one goes to "write" a book, they also may research while writing such a book.When one cannot even do their own research and rely on others to supply the content for the book, it's LAME.

Hillary Clinton 5 ghostwriter LAME.

You do not know much about writing non-fiction do you? Boy, if I could afford a staff then I could readily publish the books I want to write.

Non-fiction writing often requires a staff of research assistants to help collect, sort, and double-check the voluminous details that emerge when doing non-fiction writing. Sure, I suppose that a single non-fiction writer could do 100% of their own research, but doing so would make these types of books very expensive and rare.

Just think, for example, if an American historian was writing about ancient Japanese warlords, would you really expect them to travel to Japan, have an in-depth and personal knowledge of Japanese, fighting, shooting, riding, strategy, politics, customs, and so on? All of this would take years and many people simply do not have that much time.

Now then, the writer in question would likely have a good knowledge about one or two of these items but that is about it. However, I would expect them to know where to find this data and to make sure that it is accurate and that is where the staff comes in.

[Silicon]

Originally posted by Tricky

Oh please please please tell me you think that Ann Coulter and Bill O'Reilly don't use research assistants.


You mean Bill O' LIE-ly.


And what's up with that Coulter woman, anyway?

[Ziggurat]

Originally posted by Tricky

Oh please please please tell me you think that Ann Coulter and Bill O'Reilly don't use research assistants.

Actually, it would not surprise me in the least if Coulter didn't use research assistants. What would she do with one anyways, look up a fact?

[Hexxenhammer]

Al Franken is the only loud-mouth jack@$$ the left has, cut him some slack. The right has like, 50 billion loud-mouth jack@$$'s. most of them have their own TV and radio shows.

You get: 1 star.

[zakur]

Ann Coulter — Plagiarist (http://www.coulterwatch.com/files/BW2-009-Plagiarism_Trap.pdf)

[Silicon]

Wow, guess you don't need research assistants when you just plagerize!

[jj]

Originally posted by Ziggurat


I don't know, what is it with loud-mouthed, jacka_s conservatives? You can speak with authority on that question.

Know what? Sometimes I agree with you, Ziggie, and this is one of those times.

[jj]

Originally posted by Tricky

Oh please please please tell me you think that Ann Coulter and Bill O'Reilly don't use research assistants. It will be such a pleasure to make you look like a hypocritical fool.

The only difference is, Al Franken gives his assistants credit.

Well, sometimes with the stuff they say, I think they haven't done any research at all, but that's a different problem.

[Dancing David]

oooo

someone wrote a book and used some people to research it

oooooo

So what?

this is not as interesting as your usual posts NTW.

[gnome]

If I may ask, NTW, what's your opinion on the Fox lawsuit against Franken?

A good idea, or a stupid one?

With or without merit?

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by gnome
If I may ask, NTW, what's your opinion on the Fox lawsuit against Franken?

A good idea, or a stupid one?

With or without merit?


I think Fox has a sense of humor about what they're doing in that case.

I also think it's stupid to give a jackass-comic-wannabe like him recognition at all.

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by zakur
Ann Coulter — Plagiarist (http://www.coulterwatch.com/files/BW2-009-Plagiarism_Trap.pdf) Nice. Stolen word for word in some cases. Now this is what I would call LAME.

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by Upchurch
Nice. Stolen word for word in some cases. Now this is what I would call LAME.


repeating facts is plagiarism ? Is she supposed to rephrase the fact ?

has anyone ever told you that you look like Booger from Revenge of the Nerds ?



that's your new name Upchurch....Booger.

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser

has anyone ever told you that you look like Booger from Revenge of the Nerds ? *sigh*

you have no grace when you lose an argument, do you?

:nope:

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by Upchurch
*sigh*

you have no grace when you lose an argument, do you?

:nope:


you seem to have missed the sentence before I called you Booger, Booger.

:p

[Lurker]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser



repeating facts is plagiarism ? Is she supposed to rephrase the fact ?



Oh my. It appears someone does not understand the word plagiarism. I better help him out. From Webster's:

to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own : use (another's production) without crediting the source
intransitive senses : to commit literary theft : present as new and original an idea or product derived from an existing source


Let's see, Coulter used the exact same phrasing, did not credit her source. Yep, sounds like plagiarism to me.

Regardless, did you think the Fox suit had merit, NTW?

Lurker

[KelvinG]

As usual NTW, your position is totally distorted by your extremist views.
You obviously have very little pratical knowledge of the process of content creation, especially in a non-fictional realm.

I realize it is your goal to smash the "left-wing crazies" that lurk in the darkness around your house, and perhaps are the source for the voices in your head, but please do a little research before you are so quit to jump to conclusions.

It is becoming increasingly more difficult to take you seriously in any way.
You are nothing more than a yes man in the low end of the right wing progoganda machine that you love so much.
Try opening up your mind for a change instead being the conservative robot you've become.

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by Lurker
Oh my. It appears someone does not understand the word plagiarism. I better help him out. From Webster's:

to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own : use (another's production) without crediting the source
intransitive senses : to commit literary theft : present as new and original an idea or product derived from an existing source


Let's see, Coulter used the exact same phrasing, did not credit her source. Yep, sounds like plagiarism to me.


as with most liberal accusations, Im quite sure there is more to this than is being mentioned in that document and since no one here researches information that could possibly discredit their political views....I'll have to dig it up.




Regardless, did you think the Fox suit had merit, NTW?

Lurker [/B]


Do you know the official specifics of the suit ( as officially recorded and not just what is reported by news outlets ) ?


I havent looked at them...just seen the headlines and I dont trust headlines.

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by KelvinG
As usual NTW, your position is totally distorted by your extremist views.


:roll: you have no grounds to call me an extremist you buzzword pig.



It is becoming increasingly more difficult to take you seriously in any way.


I can't keep you from your lame agendas. Say what you like.



You are nothing more than a yes man in the low end of the right wing progoganda machine that you love so much.
Try opening up your mind for a change instead being the conservative robot you've become. [/B]

ooooooooooo . He's calling me the robot. wow.

stick to creative writing class.

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser
you seem to have missed the sentence before I called you Booger, Booger. :roll: You seem to think being called a name matters to me one iota. :roll:

[Hexxenhammer]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser



you seem to have missed the sentence before I called you Booger, Booger.

:p

Jock: What are you looking at NERD?

Booger: I thought I was looking at my grandma's douchebag, but that's in Detroit.

Booger was better at insults than you.

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by Upchurch
:roll: You seem to think being called a name matters to me one iota. :roll:

no you don't understand. I simply think you look like Booger, thats it.....and you do look like him.

it's really that simple, Booger. ;)



Jock: What are you looking at NERD?

Booger: I thought I was looking at my grandma's douchebag, but that's in Detroit.

Booger was better at insults than you.



Im not comparing Upchurch's wit to Booger (Upchurch could never compare), just his looks.


that is all.

[Nie Trink Wasser]

;) http://host.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?postid=1870069366#post1870069366

[KelvinG]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser


:roll: you have no grounds to call me an extremist you buzzword pig.




I can't keep you from your lame agendas. Say what you like.




ooooooooooo . He's calling me the robot. wow.

stick to creative writing class.

I just call em as I see em Nie.

No, watch out for those evil lefties. They're coming to get you.;)

[c0rbin]

This is Booger from Revenge of the Nerds

http://www.davidandmaddie.com/images/bert-00.jpg

NTW, you are a Troll and possible blind.

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by c0rbin
This is Booger from Revenge of the Nerds

http://www.davidandmaddie.com/images/bert-00.jpg

NTW, you are a Troll and possible blind.

THAT IS Upchurch.

the same sheepish grin, sloppy facial hair, and goofy disposition.

the only difference is that upchurch doesnt have a lot of hair and wears glasses....aside from that he IS an aged Booger !

ha !

[Tricky]

NTW prefers his boogers aged. He says that brings out the flavor. :cool:

[Upchurch]

I guess I'm supposed to react to this and be all offended, but all I'm seeing is NTW's juvenile "attack the attacker" method of diverting attention from the fact that he hasn't defended Coulter nor successfully attacked Franken.

NTW, I'm sorry if I've embarrassed you. There is no shame in being wrong and even less in admiting it.

[American]

The man used Harvard University stationary to write letters to various Catholics in government, mocking their "virgin-'til-marriage" beliefs.

Harvard, despite being a cess pool of liberal bed-wetters, wasn't amused.

[Shinytop]

You guys do not give NTW enough credit. Without that charming wit you would only have AUP and that girl in the big cowboy hat for entertainment.

[corplinx]

NTW, did you actually expect any less from Al Franken? I mean seriously, to act offended that a comedy actor/writer had to have a lot of help writing a book....... is LAME. This is Al Franken we're talking about here, you aren't exactly talking about an A list comedian.

You need to set your expectations a lot lower.

Question, how much of a cut does Harvard get? It seems like their university resources were heavily used by Franken for this commercial venture.

[Mr Manifesto]

Originally posted by Dancing David
oooo

someone wrote a book and used some people to research it

oooooo

So what?

this is not as interesting as your usual posts NTW.

Well, he's posting his own opinion this time. There's bound to a lowering of the bar.

[Mr Manifesto]

Originally posted by American
The man used Harvard University stationary to write letters to various Catholics in government, mocking their "virgin-'til-marriage" beliefs.

Harvard, despite being a cess pool of liberal bed-wetters, wasn't amused.

NO! :jaw: Did they call for an independant inquiry into corruption?

[Mike B.]

Originally posted by Hexxenhammer


Jock: What are you looking at NERD?

Booger: I thought I was looking at my grandma's douchebag, but that's in Detroit.

Booger was better at insults than you.

Actually the quote is Ohio not Detroit...

:D :D :D

I love that movie and crack up everytime I hear that line.

[NightG1]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser
;) http://host.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?postid=1870069366#post1870069366
Besides getting your a$$ kicked by American of all people, it s there something in this link you would like us to see?

[American]

Originally posted by NightG1

Besides getting your a$$ kicked by American of all people, it s there something in this link you would like us to see?


??? I was talking about Al Franken. I don't think Nie Trink Wasser has ever misrepresented Harvard. I know I haven't.

[Cain]

Good stuff.

Al Franken had a funny bit in _Rush Limbaugh is a big fat idiot_ with his research assistant Jeff. The accusation that a ghostwriter authored Franken's latest book is humorously ironic: Rush Limbaugh, William Bennett, and other blowhards are notorious for having not written their moronic scribblings. I think John Fund from the _Wall Street Journal_ wrote Rush's second book, and in fact complimented Franken on a job well done.

Feel free to challenge the actual content of the book.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Originally posted by Tricky

Oh please please please tell me you think that Ann Coulter and Bill O'Reilly don't use research assistants. It will be such a pleasure to make you look like a hypocritical fool.

The only difference is, Al Franken gives his assistants credit.

People laugh with Al Franken.

People laugh at Winky Tinky Wusser.

And the idiot doesn't understand the difference.

[peptoabysmal]

What I want to know is, "is Franken's book funny?", or is he another former SNL staffer who isn't funny anymore?

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Originally posted by peptoabysmal
What I want to know is, "is Franken's book funny?", or is he another former SNL staffer who isn't funny anymore?

Haven't read it yet, but "Rush Limbaugh Is A Big Fat Idiot" was very funny.

[Jude]

Big deal. Nobody writes their own books anymore.

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by NightG1

Besides getting your a$$ kicked by American of all people, it s there something in this link you would like us to see? Yeah. He'd like you to see just about anything except his dismal performance on this thread. :D :roll:

[Malachi151]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser



when one goes to "write" a book, they also may research while writing such a book.When one cannot even do their own research and rely on others to supply the content for the book, it's LAME.

Hillary Clinton 5 ghostwriter LAME.

Apparently you know nothing at all about writing books.

[Upchurch]

Fox News Drops Lawsuit Against Al Franken (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030825/ap_on_en_tv/fox_franken_lawsuit_1)

Fox Blocked In Suit Against Al Franken's Book (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/trib/20030823/lo_newsday/foxblockedinsuitagainstalfrankensbook)

So, wait. Did Fox lose the suit or did they drop the suit?

[hgc]

Originally posted by Upchurch
Fox News Drops Lawsuit Against Al Franken (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030825/ap_on_en_tv/fox_franken_lawsuit_1)

Fox Blocked In Suit Against Al Franken's Book (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/trib/20030823/lo_newsday/foxblockedinsuitagainstalfrankensbook)

So, wait. Did Fox lose the suit or did they drop the suit? The were denied request for preliminary injunction against selling the book now, and dropped the suit subsequently.

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by hgc
The were denied request for preliminary injunction against selling the book now, and dropped the suit subsequently. Ah. I see. Thanks.

[daredelvis]

Originally posted by peptoabysmal
What I want to know is, "is Franken's book funny?", or is he another former SNL staffer who isn't funny anymore?

I found his book "Why Not Me?: The Inside Story of the Making and Unmaking of the Franken Presidency" extremely funny. The Dick Morris character was great. I just got his book from Amazon last night, and plan to get to it this weekend.

Daredelvis

[Lemastre]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser
what IS it with loud-mouthed, jacka_s liberals ?

they can't seem to write their own books AND they can't seem to actually READ the books they critique......strange lot of fools they are.] Holy cow! You mean people -- I'm sorry, "liberals" -- put their names on stuff they don't write themselves? Of course people other than "liberals," which I suppose must be "conservatives," wouldn't do that. I mean, we know that George Bush (a "conservative," I believe) personally composes each and every word he reads, or tries to read. Except maybe for unfortunate lines contributed by someone from the CIA or another agency, or the British, for which GWB is not responsible. But other than that, he's a fount of flowing literary gems. We are currently compiling the numbers on how many book critiques were written by liberals who didn't finish the book.

[Silicon]

The book is pretty darn funny in parts. Some parts aren't funny. Some parts (such as some of the stuff on Coulter and crew) are just sad.

It is an angry book in places. Angry about what passes for discourse in this country.

I guess if Coulter can call all liberals Treasonous, that's where we are today as a nation.

At least Franken tries to make us laugh about it. A sort of gallows humor, I suppose.

[Ladewig]

I laugh out loud about every 40 pages or so. Other parts are mildly amusing. I agree with Silicon that there is a noticeable amount of anger.

[nightwind]

I just wish I had a occupation in which I would have the free time to write a book. :(