PDA

View Full Version : I hate SBC...I hate SBC...I hate SBC...I hate SBC...I hate SBC...


Andonyx
29th August 2003, 10:14 AM
I hate SBC...I hate SBC...I hate SBC...I hate SBC...I hate SBC...I hate SBC...I hate SBC...I hate SBC...I hate SBC...I hate SBC...I hate SBC...I hate SBC...I hate SBC...I hate SBC...I hate SBC...

Okay here's the deal. I rely on freelance work for a significant portion of my income. Which means having a High speed internet connection is of some great importance to me. I need to transfer semi-large audio and video files back and forth to California 3-4 times a week.

In my old apartment I had cable modem through Comcast, formerly AT&T, formerly excite @home. I had my gripes, but overall the service was fairly reliable. Their billing department had some sort of problem getting me the paper bill I asked for, but all in all, it worked, and I never had a problem getting work done as a result of their failings.

I moved to a new place 2 weeks ago, and unfortunately i had to switch to SBC DSL because none of the other high-speed companies can service my building yet. Despite my every effort to be prepared and make the transition smoothly SBC has thwarted me at every turn.

I called up three weeks before my move and asked them to turn on the service at my new place on the first of august, as I would be moving in on the 16th, and I may have my computer over there earlier. (I assumed ownership as of the first.) They responded that they can't start a DSL order until the phone is turned on, and service has been established. Fine well, you guys are the phone company too, right? So I have my phone tuned on by the first, so you guys should be able to get underway with the DSL same day? No, apparently the next day would have to do, and apparently it takes 10 days to get new service so my DSL should be up and running no later than the 12th.

Well, fine I figure, I won't be moving in until the 16th, and I still have my cable modem until then. I would have just kept my cable service but Comcast doesn't service my new building.

Well here's what happened.

1. First the SBC phone company turns OFF my existing phone service on the 1st, but does NOT turn on my new phone service.

2. I have that fixed on the 2nd, and I had phone back in the right places by 5:00pm on the 2nd.

3. Unfortunately, that glitch was apparently enough to screw up the DSL installation request because they had no phone service to work with and so the order was cancelled.

4. August 2nd-August 17th....No one bothers to mention this to me.

5. I get settled in in my new home and go to set-up the DSL, and lo and behold, there is no DSL signal. A call to the service dept. reveals that my order was canceled:

Me: I have no DSL signal

SBC flak catcher #1: Well, hmm, that would be because you cancelled the service.

Me: No I didn't.

SBC flak catcher #1: It says here you did. It says cancelled.

Me: I think I would recall something like that. I have been patiently awaiting my DSL service for five weeks, expecting it on the 12th.

SBC flak catcher #1: That was your install date, unfortunately I don't know why it was cancelled, and as it's Sunday evening I can't talk to the people I need to talk to until Monday morning.

Me: I think that really sucks, you guys have had an extra week and it's still not on? Also, why didn't anyone call me to say it's cancelled.

SBC flak catcher #1: I don't have that information.

Me: Why doesn't everyone who can pull up my account have that information?

SBC flak catcher #1: I don't know that's not how our computers work.

So I wait until Monday, I end up talking with someone for close to an hour who informs me that when they went to start the service a quick check showed I had no operating phone service and as a result the order was terminated. Now I would have to start with a new order:

Me: Wait, you're telling me I have to wait another two weeks?!?!?

SBC flak catcher #2: Well, sir, the FCC demands we be five days out on our orders.

Me: Well, you're actually three weeks out.

SBC flak catcher #2: But this is a brand new order.

Me: Did you get my old order working?

SBC flak catcher #2: No.

Me: Then this is not a new order. You have to at least actually deliver some service of some kind for an order to be done, which you have not as of yet, so please don't get ahead of yourselves and start on a new order. Just get my first order working. You guys can't even handle one order correctly, please don't try to be supermen.

SBC flak catcher #2: Well, sir, I can try to expedite your order, but I can't gurantee it, that would take four to five days.

Me: Why not today you incompetent boobs? We're three weeks form my initial order none of the time tables you've given me are any longer than that, you should have everything in place to turn it on today. I don't care what the computer says, if it says something different just highlight that field and type in today's date. Just like we used to do at the video store when we would charge annoying people more money for movies.

SBC flak catcher #2: Our computers don't work like that sir. The order has to propagate thorugh our system.

Me: You're system sucks.

I get a call the next day from an "Executive level customer service officer"

Me: I hate you people, I'm glad you're being indicted. I hope you all go the way of Enron, and there are several prison sentences and / or suicides involved.

SBC flak catcher with special hat on: I'm sorry sir, I can see from what you've been through that our service has not been adequate. I've researched the particular error, and found out what it is. Apparently part of your DSL order was billed to your old address, and part was for your new address, and the conflict will not work it's way out of our system. So the people who provision our DSL service have not yet gotten rid of your old order.

Me: I care about this why?.... Me want DSL now!

SBC flak catcher with special hat on: I understand sir, but we can't place a new order until everything about your old order has cleared our system.

Me: How long will that take?

SBC flak catcher with special hat on: 10 days.

Me: What?!?!?!?! Are you people out of your minds? I called three weeks before I even moved to make it easy and avoid these problems. You have had a full month now to get it together, and let me tell you something, Missy, if I go ten more days without porn, woe betide us all!

SBC flak catcher with special hat on: Well, I think I can cut that down to maybe four days.

Me: I don't think you understand, I could get really sick.

SBC flak catcher with special hat on: I'm sorry sir. but give me 24 hours to talk to everyone involved, I'll try and hunt down the error, and I'll call you back and let you know as soon as I have an update.

Me: Indeed I want you to call me back every single day until I have DSL even if all you can possibly do is regale me with tales of how hard you're trying to get my service on. If you're going to waste my time like this I'm going to waste yours.

SBC flak catcher with special hat on: I will do that sir.

Me: And umm, dress kinda sexy when you do that.

So she was as good as her word and better. She called me every single day for a week to tell me she had no information for me, because the computer error wouldn't go away.

Meanwhile I actually had the week off as my vacation. I wanted to use it to relax, get settled into my new pad, and have a good time. Unfortunately my freelance contract still needs doing, so I had to drive into my office three times on my vacation to get my work done because SBC sucks so bad. Which does not thrill my employer.

Finally I get a call the following Monday, (last monday):

SBC flak catcher with special hat on: Mr. Nyx good news!

Me: My little green DSL light is not on. Relative to that, your news could only be considered mediocre at best.

SBC flak catcher with special hat on: Well, I've sorted out the error, and I spoke to ASI, the company that does our DSL provisioning, and they have assured me the error is cleared.

Me: Wait what? another company? You job out your DSL like Yahoo and @home used to do?

SBC flak catcher with special hat on: Yes.

Me: What about your commercials?!?! What about your whole, "We own the lines, we are the experts, there are no middlemen" crap that your peddling? I have about four hours of Tommy Lee Jones telling me in 30 second increments that you guys are the go to guys for phone stuff because you are a real phone company, not some company that promises service and then uses your stuff anyway. What a load!

SBC flak catcher with special hat on: Well sir, that's our telecommunications department.

Me: I could be mistaken, but I think any reasonable person would put DSL service under the telecommunications umbrella.

SBC flak catcher with special hat on: I see what you're saying.

Me: Are you weraing that little red number I asked you to?

SBC flak catcher with special hat on: Anyway, I was able to re- establish your order, which means we can start clean with a new order.

Me: I'm assuming I didn't hear you right, and that you didn't just tell me now, a month later that we are starting over from square one. I'm assuming what you actually said was, "Your DSL should be on any second now, it's just a matter of how long it takes the DSL molecules to get through the wires from our plant to your home, and also, I WAS wearing the little red number but since have taken it off."

SBC flak catcher with special hat on: Well, sir I couldn't place a new order until we got the old one out of the system, and I'm sorry that's taken so long, but we finally got it. And your expected service date is September 2nd.

Me: Urge to kill.....rising!!!

SBC flak catcher with special hat on: But I'm trying to expedite that and I think I can get it for you by Friday, which actually means midnight, Thursday.

Well, here it is on Friday and it's still not on. I have no doubt it will not be on any time today. And of course I can't get anything done about it until after the long weekend, which puts me at ohhhh....right back at Sept 2nd.

In the meantime that means I will have to come into work over Labor day weekend, probably twice to get my other job done. So now SBC has screwed up my vacation, my labor day weekend, and been three weeks late at the least getting DSL service to me.

At what point do they have to start paying me?

This is what happens when you have a monopoly.


I hate SBC...I hate SBC...I hate SBC...I hate SBC...I hate SBC...I hate SBC...I hate SBC...I hate SBC...I hate SBC...I hate SBC...I hate SBC...I hate SBC...I hate SBC...I hate SBC...I hate SBC...

Skeptical Greg
29th August 2003, 10:35 AM
Fun story.. ( not for you I know... )

Not quite the same, but reminded me of my recent experience with my ISP..

I had signed up for a month with a budget ISP for $10.. I wanted to give it a try before commiting to a year for $99. ( $8.25 )

After 2 weeks, I was having no problems, so I zipped off an e-mail to the billing dept to ask about the one year subscription.

The exact text of my message was:

I signed on for one month, but now want to extend my account for one year at $8.25 per month.

I cannot complain about slow response, because approx. 20 minutes later, I could not log on or get into my email from my workstation at work.

When I finally got in touch with customer support, their records showed I had requested my account be cancelled..

After convincing them that I did not want to cancel, I got everything turned back on, and got 13 months for $99..:)

Andonyx
29th August 2003, 10:42 AM
Originally posted by Diogenes


After convincing them that I did not want to cancel, I got everything turned back on, and got 13 months for $99..:)

The really amazing thing to me is that despite everything that's happened and the hours upon hours I have put in on the phone, no one has even suggested giving me any compensation, not a free month, not a mug, not a mousepad....nothing.

NoZed Avenger
29th August 2003, 11:03 AM
Verily, your tale fills me with both wonder and dread.
Great Suckage abounds within the beast called SBC; an ye take up arms 'gainst the scourge, I pledge my sword in your service.

NA

Ye Gods, I have to stop playing Neverwinter Nights

Andonyx
29th August 2003, 11:57 AM
Originally posted by NoZed Avenger
Verily, your tale fills me with both wonder and dread.
Great Suckage abounds within the beast called SBC; an ye take up arms 'gainst the scourge, I pledge my sword in your service.

NA

Ye Gods, I have to stop playing Neverwinter Nights

Yes, well, if you had SBC internet service, surely you would never play Neverwinter Nights again.

But it could be worse, it could be Everquest:


The Morning News of Northwest Arkansas recently reported that a 36-year-old mother neglected her 3-year-old daughter while playing EverQuest for several hours, resulting in the child's death.

http://www.gamespot.com/all/news/news_6074253.html

Edited to add: Two things.

1. I realize the above story is not particularly amusing, but I just thought of it from your post.

2. I was thinking Neverwinter Nights is MMORPG, but now that I think about it, I don't believe it is, so your ISP would have nothing to do with it.

jimlintott
29th August 2003, 01:35 PM
Children die from being left in cars far too regularly. Why is it that the headlines don't read. 'Hairdressing kills toddler'. 'Slow bank service results in child's death'.

Why do video games get such a bad rap?
(Maybe I should have started a thread.)

Andonyx
29th August 2003, 01:59 PM
Originally posted by jimlintott
Children die from being left in cars far too regularly. Why is it that the headlines don't read. 'Hairdressing kills toddler'. 'Slow bank service results in child's death'.

Why do video games get such a bad rap?
(Maybe I should have started a thread.)

That's a very good question and we've tossed it back and forth in various forms on the forum over the years (months).

I still have to say it's another form of generation gap.

How many people in state or national politics do you think ever play video games? 5% maybe? To me this is no different than proclaiming rock and roll a tool of the devil, or MTV, or anything else.

It doesn't excuse the fact that some politicians somewhere are just using any badly misunderstood entertainment concept as soapbox to gain political clout, but it's happened before and no doubt it will happen again.

Hey, for the first time in 17 years, the Justic department is going after legal pornography on the basis of "obscenity." It's a bad time for adult media of any kind, and apparently the justice department has already wrapped up this whole terrorism thing and has time and resources to devote to chasing down the ESRB and two-bit smut peddlers.

Skeptical Greg
29th August 2003, 02:33 PM
Originally posted by jimlintott
Why do video games get such a bad rap?
(Maybe I should have started a thread.)


This is from people who had to grow up without them..

They don't understand them and they don't know how to play...

Phil
29th August 2003, 02:51 PM
Very funny account, Andonyx, although I know you're not laughing.

The SBC flak catchers must think you have a twin brother, because my experience with them has been similar. I, too, am an SBC subscriber, and have also had encounters with customer service that make me want to slap myself with my own feet.

Hang in there, buddy. The DSL line is well worth it, once you get it. But watch out for the SBC Yahoo DSL browser and all the other stuff that you probably didn't ask for, but that you'll get anyway.

Serenity Now . . .

Andonyx
29th August 2003, 03:02 PM
Originally posted by Phil
Very funny account, Andonyx, although I know you're not laughing.

The SBC flak catchers must think you have a twin brother, because my experience with them has been similar. I, too, am an SBC subscriber, and have also had encounters with customer service that make me want to slap myself with my own feet.

Hang in there, buddy. The DSL line is well worth it, once you get it. But watch out for the SBC Yahoo DSL browser and all the other stuff that you probably didn't ask for, but that you'll get anyway.

Serenity Now . . .

Thanks for the show of solidarity....

If you have a sec, I have a couple questions about the nature of DSL. I'm used to having Cable modem, which at least with my old provider was almost as seemless as My T1 Lan at work.

My friends who have DSL always need to click on some sort of activator thingy from Yahoo before they browse or do whatever. Do I have to use that? I had hoped to not actually install the SBC software and just use the fact that XP seems to recognize my DSL modem out of the box. I hoped I could just fire up opera as usual and go surfing. Is that the case?

Also, since it's a residential account I know the IP isn't fixed. Sometimes I run a small FTP server so I can transfer files while away from home. Can I do that with DSL?

I know you're not a tech rep, but any experience you have would be appreciated.

Phil
29th August 2003, 03:24 PM
Not sure about the Yahoo activation requirement. I don't have to do anything of the sort, so it may not be specific to SBC. Then again, I'm three years into my subscription, so I don't know how newer subscribers are configured. And I'd be curious to know if you're able to use SBC's service without installing their software. I'm betting against it.

No I have my account set up to where I turn my machine on, and I'm off to the races. Of course if the computers been off, it takes a few seconds (10 at the most) to reconnect with SBC, but I always leave my machine on, so it's a matter of de-activating the screen saver and surfing. I also have Outlook configured to reach into my mailbox every half minute or so, just to see if there's any mail or porn spam piling up. There always is. SBC does not filter very well.

Running the FTP server is out of my range of expertise. I transfer large amounts of files all the time from home to various IPs with no trouble of couse, but I've never tried to run anything through from another location. I suppose you might contact the dreaded flak catchers and see if there is a way to set up your server.

Sorry I can't offer more info. Good luck.

ShowMe
29th August 2003, 03:43 PM
If misery loves company then welcome me to the orgy.

I sit here in a state of near homicidal rage because of SBC. They handle our telephone lines for our business; for three days nobody could dial into our system.

After being on the phone for three days and having several techs out at the site (one who, I swear, looked at our PBX and said "I have no idea what's going on here") the problem was discovered.

We have a T1 line for outgoing long distance, and 8 incoming lines for our DID service. Someone at their office decided to re-route the DID lines to the T1 line. Which has no programming to handle DID lines. So no incoming calls for us.

It was actually my phone hardware vendor who figured this out, who I had called in desperation. It took him about 25 minutes discover wha thte problem was, and it took another 24 hours for SBC to fix it.

But the phone call to the support line to close the ticket was the most amusing. The runaround was similar to the previous post: Several times I asked "why were my lines redirected? Who can I go to for answers? I need to know this isn't going to happen again!"

I was told that:

1.) They have no customer service people that can take my call
2.) They don't know why the lines were redirected
3.) They have no facility to reimburse us for the lost days
4.) They can have the tech who worked the call give me a call & tell me what happened.

I thought the last part was funny...the guy had no idea what was going on, but they'll have him call me? I'll pass, thank you.

At the height of the crisis he did leave me his cell phone and his bosses cell phone number. So I chatted with his boss, and his boss, and got a number to a real customer service rep who is going to get us some sort of compensation.

I handed the whole mess to my boss and told him to deal with them...the phones are working, my job is done.

It shouldn't be that hard.

Andonyx
29th August 2003, 05:14 PM
Well, for what it's worth, I am currently posting this on my SBC DSL connection.

I got home today on Friday, and it was working by 6:00pm. So at least that much went right.

So far it's noticeably slower than my Cable modem was, but then I haven't optimized my MTU size for this connection yet. So mayyybe. Mayyybe.


Thanks for the support everyone.

bignickel
30th August 2003, 12:52 AM
SBC bites the big one. Verily.

I had gotten SBC DSL when it first showed up in St. Louis, right into my apartment. No problems, worked like a charm. (This seems to be the rule with DSL and tech support: if it works with no problems, then the company is the greatest. If not, enter tech support hell). I was getting a dynamic IP from a DHCP server: my box was just another on their LAN. Worked for me, and I understand DHCP servers.

Then. THEN, I had to move. Just a block away. BUT, the crucial BUT, they were no longer handing out DHCP connections!!! NO, NO, NO, they were doing some dumbass thing, just like all the other ISPs: software to DIAL THE DSL MODEM called PPPOE! Uh, says I. So, I'll have no problem using my old modem over there, right? Oh no, sir, no problem at all says they.

So OF COURSE, I can't get the modem to work at all at the new digs. Every single 1st tier tech person asks me WHERE on my DESK the modem is! "Isn't that in your NOTES?! I keep the modem wrapped up in asbestos and keep it in my EASYBAKE OVEN, so that it'll heat to 200 degrees and I can BAKE COOKIES with it! Where do you THINK I keep my modem?"

So, guess what the problem turned out to be? Just as I was reaching the end of my rope with these people, especially since they will NEVER let you talk to 2nd tier, and they'd blame ASI, and ASI would blame them, FINALLY the guy I'm talking to says "Oh, I asked someone walking by me, and he knew: your old modem won't work with the PPPOE software."

DURR, de durr, de durr de drrrrrrrr!

So a new modem later, and I'm running fine. Except that it's painfully obvious that all tech work and network control has been moved out of St. Louis and over to PacBell or something. So when I'm trying to find out why it's taking hours to send puny files through email to ANOTHER St. Louis user of SBC DSL (!), and fill out their web submit-a-ticket, I never EVER get a response. For weeks. Never. I keep posting status updates of "still having problem. when are you going to fix?" Eventually the problem goes away by itself before tech support will ever get back to you.

Did I mention that PPPOE will disconnect itself after a half hour for no reason? EVEN if you're actively online using it; it's not disconnecting you because the line's inactive. Solution for some people? Buying a router just so to prevent the line from being disconnected by PPPOE.

When I got the house, I immedately got DirecTV DSL, which was fricking great. Too great evidently, because they suddenly decided that they were going to just up and discontinue the thing. But don't worry: we have the perfect replacement for you: SBC DSL!!

LOL! Uh, no. So after seeing their ads in PvP:
www.pvponline.com

I got myself Speakeasy DSL. It's more expensive, yes, but no way in hell am I going back to Ma Bell. Needless to say, I've had NO problems with Speakeasy.

michaellee
30th August 2003, 06:12 AM
Originally posted by Andonyx
My friends who have DSL always need to click on some sort of activator thingy from Yahoo before they browse or do whatever. Do I have to use that? I had hoped to not actually install the SBC software and just use the fact that XP seems to recognize my DSL modem out of the box. I hoped I could just fire up opera as usual and go surfing. Is that the case?

There is no requirement to install software of any kind to use your DSL service.

Also, since it's a residential account I know the IP isn't fixed. Sometimes I run a small FTP server so I can transfer files while away from home. Can I do that with DSL?

Your IP is assigned dynamically through your DSL modem. So is the gateway and DNS address. In this scenario, running an FTP server will not work.

HOWEVER!

You can still temporarily run an FTP server. Check the status/properties for your Network connection, and write down the dynamically assigned IP address, subnet, gateway, and DNS numbers. If your machine is operating solo (you are not sharing this DSL internet connection with another computer) then change the Network connection from 'automatically assign an IP address' to 'use the following...' and enter in the info you previously wrote down. When all entered, click OK to close the property sheet, then reopen it, and check the status to see if the connection is using the now-static ip address, gateway, etc.... You do not need to re-boot the computer or anything of that fashion.

Depending on a few other factors, such as the DSL provider, type of DSL modem used, and the type of service provided, this approach works for different lengths of time, or not at all. If it does not work at all, more info is needed for me to give further instructions.

If you simply wish to send or receive files via FTP, make the connection static as above, and when done with file transfers, revert back to dynamic addressing.

If your Network connection status/properties does not show the IP address, etc.. then you probably have more than one network connection listed. Let me know if this works or you need more info.

Andonyx
30th August 2003, 08:31 AM
Hey michaelee, I appreciate the help.

Maybe there is a more complicated way to manually setup my DSL connection, but apparently I have to submit a log-on and password as well everytime I query the network for a new IP and Gateway. So as it turns out, I had to install their internet log-on utility. Not much of a big deal, it pretty much works the way Phil explained it.

I'm gonna try the FTP stuff this afternoon, so we'll see how that goes.

Thanks again.

Jim_MDP
30th August 2003, 01:28 PM
Ok, what the hell...after that snotty OP, I wasn't going to help. :p

First, if you can't go the temp Static IP route, try a redirect service. What michaellee was getting at is the 'lease' time on your IP number. It's usually a week or so but YMMV. I understand DynDNS is well established and reputable and free to non-commercial users. If you have higher needs you may have to subscribe to one of their packages. Check it out for details.

I've been on SBC/Yahoo for about six weeks and enjoy the hell out of it...except Usenet. :(
PacBell SBC news server bite big time, for several reasons.

For your SBC try:
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/ilec,swbell


BTW, what speed package did you get? My basic only does ~140k up which probably wouldn't cut it for you needs.

bignickel
30th August 2003, 10:32 PM
MichelleLee is mistaken, unfortunately. Like I said yesterday, SBC INSISTS on PPPOE.

And with PPPOE, you need something to install a PPPOE connection. That will either be software on your computer (to 'dial' the DSL modem, yuck) or your router handling the PPPOE for you.

Another advantage to the router: multiple computers using the DSL, and making sure you don't get disconnected during downloads.

specious_reasons
31st August 2003, 12:03 AM
Originally posted by bignickel

(snip)
I got myself Speakeasy DSL. It's more expensive, yes, but no way in hell am I going back to Ma Bell. Needless to say, I've had NO problems with Speakeasy.

IIRC, the prices were compatible in the Chicago area.

I seem to remember that the lowest cost SBC DSL service was only 384/128, so it was $10-15 a month cheaper, but 2-2.5 times slower.

...and if you ask for a static IP (included in the Speakeasy cost), SBC was more expensive.

Of course, they may have changed pricing structure since I last checked.

Andonyx
31st August 2003, 01:23 AM
Well, they gave me a "deal" insiting that because I was switching from Comcast Cable, they would give me the full on 1.5 (which by the numbers should be T-1 worthy) for 39.95 / month.

Let me tell you, this ain't no T-1.

It's not even as fast as my cable modem which was capped at 756kits / sec.

Jim_MDP
31st August 2003, 01:40 PM
Yes but again...what is your upload speed?

Or is it SDSL?

I'm happy with my ~1.1 mbps down (about 150k/sec), though I would like more than my ~18k/sec up speed, and I'm not hosting a site nor FTPing anything regularly. I would if I had the speed as Web sharing and Apache are built in to my Mac OS X. :D

I regularly check three or four different u/d speed check pages. I'll put the urls up if you want.

Oh and check that forum I posted. Reps and techs from the various providers regularly hang out helping subscribers. :)

Jeff Corey
1st September 2003, 12:42 AM
Verizon DSL may have dropped the bogus charge for my returned modem, but it wasted a hell of a lot of my vacation time dealing with them.

Teetop
1st September 2003, 11:33 AM
I have to say that I've had absolutely no problem with SBC/Yahoo whatsoever-- AT&T/Comcast is a different matter-- AT&T disconnected my internet cable twice because their TV broadband division thought I was pirating cable for my television--(I have a Direct TV dish in my backyard)-there was no communication between the television and Internet divisions--it took a week for them to reconnect it in each instance--I had to submit a work order! Then, when Comcast took over, they were going to charge me over $60 for my service--(I was paying about $46 with AT&T)-- Comcast charges internet subscribers about $20 more a month if they are not also subscribing to their cable T.V.---I cancelled my account, went with SBC-and everything has been great. I would go with an AOL phone connection before doing business with Comcast again--and I can't stand AOL!!!

Hand Bent Spoon
2nd September 2003, 06:59 AM
I use SBC Yahoo! DSL, too.

1500 down, 160 up, $50/month.

I have to use SBC Yahoo! Connection Manager to log on to the PPPoE with a username and password, and because I use Windows 98SE I am forced to suffer the additional indignity of having to use the horrid-child of PPPoE software, Efficient Networks' Enternet. Boy, do I hate that crappy, crappy program.

I never get disconnected, though, even if the connection is idle (I don't use a router).

All in all I give the service an A-.

Andonyx
2nd September 2003, 10:39 AM
Originally posted by Hand Bent Spoon
I use SBC Yahoo! DSL, too.

1500 down, 160 up, $50/month.

I have to use SBC Yahoo! Connection Manager to log on to the PPPoE with a username and password, and because I use Windows 98SE I am forced to suffer the additional indignity of having to use the horrid-child of PPPoE software, Efficient Networks' Enternet. Boy, do I hate that crappy, crappy program.



Oh man my buddy has WindowsME, and he has to use that software too, yikes what a piece of crap. Half the time it rashes on startup and hangs the whole system. What a mess.

Haven't offcicially clocked my upload speed, but my upload IS faster than with Cable. It's just my download is slower.

Not worth the trade in my opinion. I download HUUUUGE raw files from a company server, and then I edit and compress them and put them back on a server. So my uploads are much smaller than my downloads anyway.