StopSylviaBrowne - Email: "Jewelry Question

[RSLancastr]

New article up:

http://www.stopsylviabrowne.com/articles/email_jewelryquestion.shtml
Email: "Jewelry Question"
A person satisfied with SNS' handling of the "jewelry issue" speaks up.

[zombiebex]

Good article! And good job making sure the author was a genuine customer, I never would have thought of that.

SNS can't be all bad all the time, right?

[fortuneteller]

I happen to be a fan of SYLVIA. Fully intend to watch her on the Montel Show
despite grumblings from skeptics. She predicted that man-made structures in Florida would be wiped off the face of the map in 2007 by repeated hurricane landfalls.

This event, or lack of, should give all her skeptics time for reflection. Keep in mind, that some of the appearances on Montel are taped, from previous visits. Not all visits are live.

I can still remember one episode live, where she advised tourists not to go to the hawaiian islands for a few months because of danger from natural disaster. In the weeks and months that followed, the islands were inundated
by rain and huge mudslides.

She also advised tourists to stay clear of mexican border towns for a short time, and for the months that followed, there were noticeable reports of gang violence and missing cruise ship passengers on the daily news.

Lets not forget the thousands of stranded tourists desperate for help, in the yucatan during hurricane katrina

[Minarvia]

Good article! And good job making sure the author was a genuine customer, I never would have thought of that.

SNS can't be all bad all the time, right?


Hah! Well, it is only good business and best to cover one's butt by being decent once in a while.

Seriously, I'm glad that person had good service.

[vexed]

fortuneteller,

Haven't you heard of cold readings and hot readings? And for her predictions, if you make enough guesses eventually something will be right. You must have forgot all of her misses.
And please answer why she would say Shawn Horbeck(sp) was dead when in fact he wasn't. Even if you believe in a spirit and that she could see spirits, why would she see a 'dead spirit' that wasn't really dead? Maybe because she flat out made it up!
Check out RSLancastr's site if you want to see all of her flaws, hopefully it will make you question your beliefs in claimed psychics(frauds).

[roger]

Hmm, I predict tornados will strike in Kansas in the coming months.

[sts60]

can still remember one episode live, where she advised tourists not to go to the hawaiian islands for a few months because of danger from natural disaster. In the weeks and months that followed, the islands were inundated
by rain and huge mudslides.

She also advised tourists to stay clear of mexican border towns for a short time, and for the months that followed, there were noticeable reports of gang violence and missing cruise ship passengers on the daily news.

Wow. She predicted all that? Hurricanes in Florida? Violence in Mexican border towns?

Her most amazing prediction had to be heavy rains and mudslides in Hawaii. (Well, she didn't actually predict mudslides per se, but let's be charitable and give her that one.) Let's see, mudslides occur in mountainous areas; such areas in Hawaii average twenty feet of rainfall per year. Yep, I'm convinced. She must be the real thing.

[Normal Dude]

Well, waddaya know, Sylvia CAN read the weather service!

[SeekingTruth]

New article up:

http://www.stopsylviabrowne.com/articles/email_jewelryquestion.shtml
Email: "Jewelry Question"
A person satisfied with SNS' handling of the "jewelry issue" speaks up.


Robert...
I bought some of the jewelry in question. I NEVER received a letter from their office about the jewelry issue. I also have a friend who bought some of the pieces. I checked with this person today and they have never received a letter from the office letting her know that the jewelry was fake or procedures for returning the jewelry.

Sorry, but I have to question the validity of the letter you received from a "satisfied customer" and was it really on the level. Did this person provide you a copy of the letter supposedly sent to him/her by the office so you could see it for yourself? How about the envelope with a postmark?

I only question the validity because not only did my friend nor I receive any communication from the office about the jewelry - but we aren't the only 2 people I'm aware of who have the jewelry and DID NOT receive any letter from Novus about it. And we each purchased the jewelry before the date in question.

ST

Just wanted to add - for those people who purchased jewelry and later discovered the truth about SB and Novus Spiritus, they would have NO reason to go to Sylvia's website - which is the ONLY place where the information was posted about the fraudulent jewelry - or how to go about getting the fakes replaced. So there has to be thousands of people out there who have no idea that they paid a lot of money for fake diamonds.

[Magic 9-Ball]

Robert, thanks again for another article, and your efforts. I look forward to each one.

I'm glad the customer is satisfied with the return experience. And I'm glad you received some feedback to try and balance your site information so people can look at the whole of the evidence.

However, I assume we'll never know if the jewelery "did not meet manufacturer's quality standards", i.e., diamonds or cubic zirconia? As to why this person received a letter, while many others did not at least shows lack of due diligence on Novus Spiritus' part to try and rectify the mistake.

[The_Animus]

I'm psychic as well. Hold on. I'm getting something...

Beware of California, there will be Earthquakes... sometime...

[SeekingTruth]

Robert,
I just re-read the email you posted on SSB. Here the author says:
"They looked up the records from everyone who had ever bought their jewelry during the questionable period, sent out personal letters and ate up all costs associated with the experience."

If that were true, then I would have received a letter - I didn't. Neither did my friend...neither did several other people I've been in touch with this morning who also purchased the jewelry.

Sorry, but it sounds like a "plant" to me.....and not even a good one!

ST

[RSLancastr]

Good article! And good job making sure the author was a genuine customer, I never would have thought of that.Thanks, ZB!

SNS can't be all bad all the time, right?A stopped clock, and all that...

I happen to be a fan of SYLVIA. Fully intend to watch her on the Montel Show despite grumblings from skeptics. She predicted that man-made structures in Florida would be wiped off the face of the map in 2007 by repeated hurricane landfalls.I don't have her 2007 predictions in front of me, but assuming for the moment that she was accurate with this one, what about all of those where she was NOT accurate? Predicting hurricanes in Florida is a bit like predicting coal in Newcastle.

This event, or lack of, should give all her skeptics time for reflection. Keep in mind, that some of the appearances on Montel are taped, from previous visits. Not all visits are live.
None of herthe appreacnces are live. They are all taped weeks, sometimes months, in advance.

Perhaps you meant some are new and some are reruns?

In the weeks and months that followed, the islands were inundated
by rain and huge mudslides.Again, nothing which would require psychic powers, simply common sense and access to the weather channel.

She also advised tourists to stay clear of mexican border towns for a short time, and for the months that followed, there were noticeable reports of gang violence and missing cruise ship passengers on the daily news.More so than usual for that time of year?

Lets not forget the thousands of stranded tourists desperate for help, in the yucatan during hurricane katrinaInteresting that you mention this. I frequently get emails from a woman who was stranded because of Katrina, and who was upset because Browne never predicted it.

Seriously, I'm glad that person had good service.Me too.

Hmm, I predict tornados will strike in Kansas in the coming months.You're really going out on a limb there, roger...

Wow. She predicted all that? Hurricanes in Florida? Violence in Mexican border towns?:)

Well, waddaya know, Sylvia CAN read the weather service!

I bought some of the jewelry in question.I NEVER received a letter from their office about the jewelry issue. I also have a friend who bought some of the pieces. I checked with this person today and they have never received a letter from the office letting her know that the jewelry was fake or procedures for returning the jewelry.[/QUOTE]When did you and your friend purchase the jewelry?

Sorry, but I have to question the validity of the letter you received from a "satisfied customer" and was it really on the level. Did this person provide you a copy of the letter supposedly sent to him/her by the office so you could see it for yourself? How about the envelope with a postmark?
I obviously cannot be positive about it. But I asked enough followup questions to be reasonably comfortable that the person was legit. No, I did not ask if he/she still had the envelope, as it had already been four months since it had been received. I will ask now, but I doubt they would have hung on to it for this long.

I only question the validity because not only did my friend nor I receive any communication from the office about the jewelry - but we aren't the only 2 people I'm aware of who have the jewelry and DID NOT receive any letter from Novus about it. And we each purchased the jewelry before the date in question.If you and/or oyur friend would like to email me about it, I would definitely consider placing the email on the site.

Robert, thanks again for another article, and your efforts. I look forward to each one.Thanks, M9B!

I'm glad the customer is satisfied with the return experience. And I'm glad you received some feedback to try and balance your site information so people can look at the whole of the evidence.

However, I assume we'll never know if the jewelery "did not meet manufacturer's quality standards", i.e., diamonds or cubic zirconia?I assume so as well.

As to why this person received a letter, while many others did not at least shows lack of due diligence on Novus Spiritus' part to try and rectify the mistake.Good question.

I'm psychic as well. Hold on. I'm getting something...

Beware of California, there will be Earthquakes... sometime...
Next thing you know, you'll be starting a new religion. :rolleyes:

[RSLancastr]

Robert,
I just re-read the email you posted on SSB. Here the author says:
"They looked up the records from everyone who had ever bought their jewelry during the questionable period, sent out personal letters and ate up all costs associated with the experience."

If that were true, then I would have received a letter - I didn't. Neither did my friend...neither did several other people I've been in touch with this morning who also purchased the jewelry.

Sorry, but it sounds like a "plant" to me.....and not even a good one!

STWhen did you and your friend purchase the jewelry?

[JoeTheJuggler]

fortuneteller, below are just a few reviews of the accuracy of Sylvia Browne's predictions. If you toss out the trivial ones (hurricanes striking states where hurricanes strike every year, earthquakes in areas where earthquakes strike every year), her success rate is pretty much zero.


http://www.smugbaldy.com/?p=48

http://www.ufowatchdog.com/sylviabrowne.html

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2843/is_2_29/ai_n13628914

http://www.corporatenarc.com/sylviabrownepredictions.php

http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/sylvia.htm

[grayman]

I predict Sylvia Browne will appear on Montel making vague, generalized statements. Plus she will repeat something someone has already told her and say, "yeah, that's what I was about to say".



And then she will scratch herself.

[EeneyMinnieMoe]

I hope this person's legit and I'd be very happy if that were the case. I hate to have anyone scammed by the Claws, even if it does provide material for your site.

[Kilgore Trout]

RSL,

First, I'm glad you've posted this as a follow-up and to be fair. If this person did get new jewelry, I'm happy he or she is satisfied with the experience.

Maybe I'm going from skeptical to cynical about it, but some things strike me as odd or at the least unclear. I also trust that you feel this is genuine, so maybe this all should be dismissed and taken with a grain of salt. But a couple things stuck in my craw.

Mainly: "One diamond fell out of the pendant" and "Though the ring was not defective and quite used, they still gave me a new, yellow-gold one for free, in addition to a new pendant, simply because I asked [...]."

The pendant is unclear. It is said to be missing a 'diamond' (as opposed to a CZ or just simply a stone). Maybe, though, the author just referred to it as a diamond, having been under the wrong impression since buying it and it was actually a CZ. This can probably just be ignored, though it isn't very clear, however it's one of two situations: either the pendant was CZ and rightfully replaced or it was a diamond pendant (missing one diamond, no less) and replaced out of good will.

As for the ring, wouldn't 'not defective' mean it wasn't one of the cubic zirconiums? Yet, it was replaced with a different (yellow gold) ring. Was it replaced only because he or she asked for a different color?

Is Novus picking up the tab to just be nice to a customer and replacing a diamond ring they didn't need to? Michael McClellan said in correspondence with you that "The manufacturer of the jewelry in question, ITC, is absorbing the entire cost". Something just doesn't seem to click about this. Maybe I'm being a little cynical with respect to Novus and they really did pay for the replacement(s), or perhaps they lied to this person and told him or her that the originals were fine when they were CZ and needed to be replaced for that reason and not just because he or she asked.

Also, from the email, "They looked up the records from everyone who had ever bought their jewelry during the questionable period, sent out personal letters and ate up all costs associated with the experience." This seems to state something as fact the emailer would have no actual knowledge of. As far as this person can be sure of, they only sent that one letter. He or she may be assuming they sent them out to "everyone who had ever bought their jewelry" but that's a different story. Also, ITC was (supposed to be?) the one that ate the 'entire' cost of replacing, not Novus.

Nitpicking, or jumping on a CT bandwagon I acknowledge, I also wonder about coming across stopsylviabrowne.com by accident (though I know it pops up high on Google, to go through it, find the jewelry article and just email about it is no accident). The note that he or she paid less, before the markup began 6-12 months later seems a bit irrelevant too.

[darnell11]

I predict there will be an earthquake tomorrow, near Alaska.

(earthquakes happen all the time, everyday, but some people don't know this, because most earthquakes aren't reported in the news)

[TheDoLittle]

This is exactly the sort of articles that SSB needs to be producing. I'm not fan of Saliva, far from it, but this evidence is needed to show how fair and balanced RSL is in writing and publishing his articles.

So why aren't there more types of these articles? Are the Browne fans completely ignoring stopsylviabrowne.com to the point where it hurts their case? Are they too afraid of their "boss" to send and e-mail to Robert, pro or con of their beliefs?

Robert, exactly how much e-mail do you receive about Browne that is positive towards her and/or her organizations, that can be substantiated and backed up with hard evidence, and if you haven't published them what are some of the reason(s)?

[PastBrowneFan]

Ok, something about the "letter" doesn't seem to make sense.

If this person purchased the jewelry before almost anyone else did, then this must be someone that is well known by either SB or one of the higher ranked ministers of NS. Plus, this person knew that they were one of the first to purchase this jewelry, which implies that they are known in the office.

Secondly, the "letter' that was to be sent out by Novus concerning the jewelry, which everyone that I know who purchased the jewelry in that line and time period that is covered under the letter never received, did not exist until Prelate Rev. Michael McClellan produced it to you as a word document while you were investigating the fake diamond issue, which was not "well before June 1", and again I'll reiterate that those whom I know that purchased the pieces have not been notified by Novus Spiritus or the manufacturer of the pieces.

Thirdly, how would this person know, as they stated, that Novus contacted every single person that purchased the jewelry?

The ONLY people that I know who were contacted were certain Ministers and a few Study Group Coordinators, and that was via phone, not via letter, and this was well before the stopsylviabrowne website started.

Sadly, I would be suspicious of this letter unless the person can prove that it was mailed from Campbell, produces the letter, their receipt of purchase, etc. It is too much like Novus to use someone to fake something like this, especially they they are experts at fraud and deceit.

[SeekingTruth]

When did you and your friend purchase the jewelry?

I purchased the jewelry June 2005. My friend purchased hers prior to when I did. As soon as I have the exact date I will let you know.

ST

[RSLancastr]

Maybe I'm going from skeptical to cynical about it, but some things strike me as odd or at the least unclear. I also trust that you feel this is genuine, so maybe this all should be dismissed and taken with a grain of salt. But a couple things stuck in my craw.Yes, there are things in it which are a bit odd. I had misgivings about it, but as I say in the article, included it out of fairness.

Robert, exactly how much e-mail do you receive about Browne that is positive towards her and/or her organizations, that can be substantiated and backed up with hard evidence, and if you haven't published them what are some of the reason(s)?I receive a few pro-Browne emails a week, but most are simply attacks on me. Some are not attacks, simply statements of support for Browne, but do not have any "hard evidence."

There are a couple of pro-Browne emails which I'm currently considering for publication on the site. Perhaps three. None are "hard evidence." But neither are the majority of the anti-Browne emails on the site.

Sadly, I would be suspicious of this letter unless the person can prove that it was mailed from Campbell, produces the letter, their receipt of purchase, etc. It is too much like Novus to use someone to fake something like this, especially they they are experts at fraud and deceit.PBF, I have received emails skeptical of the email in question, some of which bring up the points you mention. One of them will most likely be published on the site.

I purchased the jewelry June 2005. My friend purchased hers prior to when I did. As soon as I have the exact date I will let you know.Thanks, ST.

[Bri]

PBF, I have received emails skeptical of the email in question, some of which bring up the points you mention. One of them will most likely be published on the site.

Why not just post a new article with letters from people who bought jewelry and state that they didn't receive such a letter. That would at least provide evidence that not everyone who bought the jewelry were sent letters as implied by the e-mail in the article.

Aside from what another poster already mentioned, there were some things about the e-mail that seemed odd to me. Why would Sylvia's ministers call to check the address since they obviously already had to have had the correct address in order to send the letter to the buyer?

I wonder if your e-mail wasn't just from a Sylvia fan trying to catch you not posting positive feedback concerning the jewelry as you indicated you would in a previous article. It would be interesting to see if the person who sent you the e-mail could produce a copy of the letter they received.

-Bri

[Dr. Lao]

Wow, Sylvia predicted heavy rain for Hawaii and Florida?

Amazing!

She predicted crime in Mexico border towns?

Wow!

Next, she will predict that life on the Gaza strip is dangerous, going somewhere real cold without a jacket is not advised, and that it will get real hot in the desert.

Anyone that believes this grifter deserves to be robbed.

[Pythra]

I'm undecided about whether I find this email convincing or not, but my first inclination is to believe it is genuine. Mostly because of her willingness to admit that "one diamond fell out of the pendant". Of course, an SNS mole could easily say such a thing to make the email look more believable, but no one could argue that falling to bits is a hallmark of good quality jewellery.

SeekingTruth, I'm sorry if you've answered this before, but I am really curious: do you still have the NS jewellery pieces, and if so, have you had them examined?

[SeekingTruth]

I'm undecided about whether I find this email convincing or not, but my first inclination is to believe it is genuine. Mostly because of her willingness to admit that "one diamond fell out of the pendant". Of course, an SNS mole could easily say such a thing to make the email look more believable, but no one could argue that falling to bits is a hallmark of good quality jewellery.

SeekingTruth, I'm sorry if you've answered this before, but I am really curious: do you still have the NS jewellery pieces, and if so, have you had them examined?

Both my ring and earrings have been replaced. I have also emailed RSL to relate my experience regarding these pieces and hope to see my experience published on SSB.

ST

[JoeTheJuggler]

I am anxious to see your article about her annual predictions. I see lots of bits and snippets on the topic all over the place, but it'd be nice to have a single article with a pretty comprehensive treatment.

Speaking of which, another category of predictions that I would eliminate when assessing hits are the perennial ones. She predicted John Paul II's death every year for some 3 or 4 years running. So she was wrong each time except the last one, and her supporters will claim that as a hit. I think since she was wrong on the first year she predicted it, all subsequent occurrences should be treated as wrong. Same thing she's been doing with the U.S. pulling troops out of Iraq. She's been wrong on that one, but if she keeps making the prediction every year, she's bound to get a hit eventually. In any honest assessment of her precognitive abilities, that's got to count as a miss. Otherwise these "predictions" taken over a span of years would boil down to the very trivial, "Pope John Paul II will die some time" and "The U.S. will eventually pull most of its troops out of Iraq".

[sgf8]

I happen to be a fan of SYLVIA. Fully intend to watch her on the Montel Show
despite grumblings from skeptics. She predicted that man-made structures in Florida would be wiped off the face of the map in 2007 by repeated hurricane landfalls.

This event, or lack of, should give all her skeptics time for reflection. Keep in mind, that some of the appearances on Montel are taped, from previous visits. Not all visits are live.

Am I missing something here? What do you mean by "this event, or lack of." Were there some hurricanes in Florida that I missed this year? Are structures missing in Florida because of hurricanes? What kind of structures in Florida aren't man-made?

Susan