Ann Coulter, the most despicable person on the plantet?

[Undesired Walrus]

Hate is too bright a word I feel about this woman.

I came across this today.

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However questionable Obama's comments were, I cannot say I would be sad if she was hit by a bus tommorow for what she says about Obama's name.

Racist, xenophobic and a complete and utter idiot.

How is this woman allowed to live in a free country?

[headscratcher4]

How is this woman allowed to live in a free country?

You are aware, I assume, of the oxymoronic nature of this statment?

[firecoins]

How is this woman allowed to live in a free country?
you answered it in your question

Edit: damn it! you clicked faster!

[JoeEllison]

She's a thug and a scumbag... and so is anyone who is a fan of hers.

[Undesired Walrus]

I was hoping nobody would notice the logical error in my comment... But I left it up as an example of my occasional idiocy.

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Paxman and Ann.

[Foster Zygote]

Ann is right. People with funny, foreign sounding names aren't real Americans and they should all be rounded up and put in camps for our own protection.

Heil Coulter!

[headscratcher4]

I think Coulter is a funny, foriegn sounding name, BTW. And, what about names like Cotton Mather or Button Gywennett or Sam Addams or Edward Teller? And, whose this General Petreaus? What kind of fer'n name is that? Or Alberto Gonzales...christ, it sounds like the name of a RKO villian from a 40's western.

[Pardalis]

She's the perfect example that a woman can be a [rule9].

[IllegalArgument]

See my sig, she will do whatever it takes to get press.

Best just to ignore her.

[IMST]

I'm not sure I could describe my feelings toward Ann Coulter without getting suspended, so I won't.

[corplinx]

I think I made a post a year or two ago detailing all the jobs she's been canned/fired from. She's a pariah within most conservative circles and burns bridges when they try to edit her.

I blame Hannity for helping her promote herself so much. She got fired from most columns she wrote so she has to write books to get her brand of "insult-conservatism" out.

[baron]

Is she mad? Why do people give her airtime?

[ImaginalDisc]

Mr. Coulter says that no one named "Hussein" should use the word hijack?

Offensive, and ignorant, since Saddam Hussein had nothing to do 9/11, or any other airline hijacking.

[Lurker]

I think I made a post a year or two ago detailing all the jobs she's been canned/fired from. She's a pariah within most conservative circles and burns bridges when they try to edit her.

Hmm, a pariah you say? Odd that Hannity and O'Reilly have had her on regularly. Actually, I think she has been on other Fox news shows like John Gibson's Big Story and Cavuto's business show. They have never criticized her words. Further, her books sell millions of copies so conservatives must think she is doing something right.

No, it seems many mainstream conservatives embrace her.

Lurker

[Upchurch]

She's a thug and a scumbag...
Sorry, are we talking about Coulter, Hannity, or both?

[ponderingturtle]

Mr. Coulter says that no one named "Hussein" should use the word hijack?

Offensive, and ignorant, since Saddam Hussein had nothing to do 9/11, or any other airline hijacking.

About 40% of americans disagree with you.

Link (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19390791/site/newsweek/)

Even today, more than four years into the war in Iraq, as many as four in 10 Americans (41 percent) still believe Saddam Hussein’s regime was directly involved in financing, planning or carrying out the terrorist attacks on 9/11, even though no evidence has surfaced to support a connection. A majority of Americans were similarly unable to pick Saudi Arabia in a multiple-choice question about the country where most of the 9/11 hijackers were born. Just 43 percent got it right—and a full 20 percent thought most came from Iraq.

You really overestimate the inteligence of the average american.

[corplinx]

Hmm, a pariah you say? Odd that Hannity and O'Reilly have had her on regularly. Actually, I think she has been on other Fox news shows like John Gibson's Big Story and Cavuto's business show. They have never criticized her words. Further, her books sell millions of copies so conservatives must think she is doing something right.

No, it seems many mainstream conservatives embrace her.

Lurker


Fox is train wreck news. They're hoping she'll say something outrageous.

[Upchurch]

Fox is train wreck news. They're hoping she'll say something outrageous.

Ya know, in case people get bored with all the outrageous things Hannity or O'Reilly say.

[corplinx]

Ya know, in case people get bored with all the outrageous things Hannity or O'Reilly say.

OReilly and Hannity have raised the bar for outrageous talk sadly. What was once considered boisterous discourse now seems normal after years of them on primetime.

[Ripley Twenty-Nine]

See my sig, she will do whatever it takes to get press.

Best just to ignore her.
I agree. I put her in the same category as Rush Limbaugh and Howard Stern; they exist only to aggravate.

If they were ignored, they would shrivel up and blow away.

[Foster Zygote]

I think Coulter is a funny, foriegn sounding name, BTW. And, what about names like Cotton Mather or Button Gywennett or Sam Addams or Edward Teller? And, whose this General Petreaus? What kind of fer'n name is that? Or Alberto Gonzales...christ, it sounds like the name of a RKO villian from a 40's western.

Or Newt, or Strom.

[Darth Rotor]

Hate is too bright a word I feel about this woman.

I came across this today.

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However questionable Obama's comments were, I cannot say I would be sad if she was hit by a bus tommorow for what she says about Obama's name.

Racist, xenophobic and a complete and utter idiot.

How is this woman allowed to live in a free country?
Ann Coulter is a shrill, scalpel tongued bitch who has found a niche IRL that, on the internet, is usually populated by trolls. She has made it pay.

She says outrageous stuff, and has enough of a market for it to sell books and her self. She'll eventually wear out her welcome, it is a matter of when, not if.

Michael Moore and Al Franken provide similar services to the partisan pseudo-debate, they just don't wear a black dress as well, and their styles are a bit different.

My last straw with Coulter was "he's a kept man" about John Kerry, pre 2004 election. At that point, I took her about as seriously as Jane Curtain and Dan Akroyd in "Point Counter Point," but at least Jane and Dan were trying to be funny, rather than merely insulting.

DR

[Snide]

Ann Coulter is a shrill, scalpel tongued bitch who has found a niche IRL that, on the internet, is usually populated by trolls. She has made it pay.

She says outrageous stuff, and has enough of a market for it to sell books and her self. She'll eventually wear out her welcome, it is a matter of when, not if.

Michael Moore and Al Franken provide similar services to the partisan pseudo-debate, they just don't wear a black dress as well, and their styles are a bit different.

My last straw with Coulter was "he's a kept man" about John Kerry, pre 2004 election. At that point, I took her about as seriously as Jane Curtain and Dan Akroyd in "Point Counter Point," but at least Jane and Dan were trying to be funny, rather than merely insulting.

DROne of the reasons the Right love her so much is that she gets people who should know better to compare her with Al Franken. Even comparing Moore to her (as in , a "left" counterpart to Coulter) is an insult to Moore.

[Grammatron]

One of the reasons the Right love her so much is that she gets people who should know better to compare her with Al Franken. Even comparing Moore to her (as in , a "left" counterpart to Coulter) is an insult to Moore.

It most certainly isn't. They(Moore and Coulter) are both equally useless people.

[Pardalis]

Even though I hate Moore, I would say that Coulter is in a whole other ball game (more a league of her own). Fanatic on the fringe of psychotic.

[ImaginalDisc]

It most certainly isn't. They(Moore and Coulter) are both equally useless people.

Has Coulter ever tried to do anything useful? Moore campaigns for worker's rights, see his work with the Flint Michigan autoworkers. Comparing Moore to Coulter is completely unfair. Coulter is only capable of wild, baseless, and offensive invective.

[Grammatron]

Has Coulter ever tried to do anything useful? Moore campaigns for worker's rights, see his work with the Flint Michigan autoworkers.

Moore campaigns for the sale of his books and movie tickets.

[shecky]

I've felt for a long time that I wouldn't be surprised if Coulter turned out to be some extreme leftist performance artist. I often find that is the most logical explanation for her schtick.

[ImaginalDisc]

Moore campaigns for the sale of his books and movie tickets.

What's that I hear, the hypocritical sounds of a conservative decrying salesmanship by a liberal?

[Darth Rotor]

One of the reasons the Right love her so much is that she gets people who should know better to compare her with Al Franken. Even comparing Moore to her (as in , a "left" counterpart to Coulter) is an insult to Moore.
I have no problem insulting Moore, he's a propagandist who pretends that he makes documentaries. That said, he has a broader body of work than mere partisan harangue, and is thus a bit less of a Johnny one note, so I'll partly agree with you that the comparison isn't well made.

DR

[Grammatron]

What's that I hear, the hypocritical sounds of a conservative decrying salesmanship by a liberal?

An interesting reply, you do not refute what I say and try to shift it as a comment against me. It's doubly amusing since I am not a conservative.

Unless of course the definition of is: Someone who does not support Moore. Then you got me.

[ImaginalDisc]

An interesting reply, you do not refute what I say and try to shift it as a comment against me. It's doubly amusing since I am not a conservative.

Unless of course the definition of is: Someone who does not support Moore. Then you got me.

I'm judging you by the opinions you express in the forum, not how you would like to be thought of.

Secondly, it was a pertinent response. Moore is a self-promoter, and he also campaigns for worker's rights, and health care reform, and other issues. That he makes money doing it is irrelevant. I'm not claiming he's perfect, but it does distinguish him from transsexual reptilian hacks like Mr. Coulter.

[Pardalis]

Where did you get 'reptilian' from? :confused: :D

[Darth Rotor]

I'm judging you by the opinions you express in the forum, not how you would like to be thought of.

Secondly, it was a pertinent response. Moore is a self-promoter, and he also campaigns for worker's rights, and health care reform, and other issues. That he makes money doing it is irrelevant. I'm not claiming he's perfect, but it does distinguish him from transsexual reptilian hacks like Mr. Coulter.Do you have evidence of Ann Coulter's transexuality? A lot of people have wondered about her gender, but at present, I've not seen any evidence. The article in wikipedia is pretty clear about her origins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Coulter), and her membership in a women's group in college. Of course, it could be a false flag perpetrated by Coulter and her literary agent.

Have anything to share? *crosses fingers*

DR

ETA: This quote is priceless. Coulter: "I'm a Christian first and a mean-spirited, bigoted conservative second, and don't you ever forget it." That's a pretty good self assessment, it seems, and proof positive that professing to be a Christian does not by itself guarantee one of holding Christian virtue.

[ImaginalDisc]

Do you have evidence of Ann Coulter's transexuality? A lot of people have wondered about her gender, but at present, I've not seen any evidence. The article in wikipedia is pretty clear about her origins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Coulter), and her membership in a women's group in college. Of course, it could be a false flag perpetrated by Coulter and her literary agent.

Have anything to share? *crosses fingers*

DR

Wait, you're asking me for evidence that she's a transsexual, but you're letting my claim that she's a reptile slide?

[Grammatron]

I'm judging you by the opinions you express in the forum, not how you would like to be thought of.

Which opinions that I expressed make me conservative?

Secondly, it was a pertinent response. Moore is a self-promoter, and he also campaigns for worker's rights, and health care reform, and other issues. That he makes money doing it is irrelevant. I'm not claiming he's perfect, but it does distinguish him from transsexual reptilian hacks like Mr. Coulter.Moore makes money under the guise of campaigning for worker's rights, or health insurance, or gun control, or whatever else might sell more books/movies. It's a pretty good shtick which you obviously bought into.

[Gurdur]

Moore makes money under the guise of campaigning for worker's rights, or health insurance, or gun control, or whatever else might sell more books/movies. It's a pretty good shtick which you obviously bought into.


Just interested if you have the slightest shred of evidence for your imputation as to his motive, or whether you're simply being wholly prejudiced. Evidence?

[Grammatron]

Just interested if you have the slightest shred of evidence for your imputation as to his motive, or whether you're simply being wholly prejudiced. Evidence?

Just my opinion of him based on his works and personal experience.

[fishbob]

. . . . . transsexual reptilian hacks like Mr. Coulter.

That is insulting.

You need to apologize to the lizards, turtles, and snakes immediately.

[Gurdur]

Just my opinion of him based on his works and personal experience.

Really. And just how much "personal experience" of Moore do you actually have?

[Mojo]

...conservatives must think she is doing something right.

No, it seems many mainstream conservatives embrace her.


Well, I always assumed that Michael Portillo hired David Amess as his PPS so that he (i.e. Portillo) would look like a man with reasonable views and haircut...

[SezMe]

The article in wikipedia is pretty clear about her origins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Coulter), and her membership in a women's group in college. Of course, it could be a false flag perpetrated by Coulter and her literary agent.
That article also says she dated Bill Maher! I can't conceive of it - I would have expected homeopathy to cure cancer first.

[blobru]

(More science than politics, but) from Walrus' second link; Ann Coulter's views on Dahwanism; just had to transcribe it 'cos it's so much better in print:

Pax: For example, you describe Darwinism as the Liberals' creation myth -- you believe the earth was created in six days do you?
AC: Ah no that is not the only alternative to um us sharing a common earthworm (aheheh).
Pax: Yes well what is your alternative?
AC: The point is that Dahwanism aahhmmm, I'm I'm a critic of Dahwanism, I've I've I think I could be a restaurant critic without having to start my own restaurant umm, I'm describing Dahwanism and um the only problem with it is it's ummm an illogical tautological theory ahm, the evidence Darwin said would be there is not there and in fact a lot of evidence contradicts it; other than that it's a fihne theory (blink blink).
Pax: Do you have an alternative?
AC: No. I think I just said, I'm just talking about Dahwanism not being true and yet it's taught as if it's science umm in the public schools: a a a a a a faith belief um without any evidence to support it.


How would Dahwanism explain Ann Coulter: "Revival of the Blondest"?

[Grammatron]

Really. And just how much "personal experience" of Moore do you actually have?

Very little.

Just his interaction with people and the vehicles he chose to be chauffeured in while in Los Angeles.

[SezMe]

It's doubly amusing since I am not a conservative.
Had me completely fooled, Grammy.

[Grammatron]

Had me completely fooled, Grammy.
You too can tell me why I am a conservative.

[Mojo]

...tell me why I am a conservative.


Because you're wrong.

[Grammatron]

Because you're wrong.
No I'm Grammatron.

[Mojo]

The two aren't mutually exclusive.

[SezMe]

You too can tell me why I am a conservative.
Don't get offended. I obviously can't tell you what you are or why you are so. I formed the impression that you held views that are traditionally associated with conservative thought based on your posting history. That's all. I emphasize it is just an impression and one that is not deeply held nor all that important. I take your post's contents on face value and find they usually contribute to the thread.

Sheeeesh. :) (I probably should have put that smilie in the original post)

[Grammatron]

Don't get offended. I obviously can't tell you what you are or why you are so. I formed the impression that you held views that are traditionally associated with conservative thought based on your posting history. That's all. I emphasize it is just an impression and one that is not deeply held nor all that important. I take your post's contents on face value and find they usually contribute to the thread.

Sheeeesh. :) (I probably should have put that smilie in the original post)

I am not offended just curious about why people form that opinion of me.

I won't deny that on certain topics I hold views that are same as one what conservative do, but overall I don't think I would be considered one.

[boloboffin]

I bear no love for Ann Coulter, but I would reserve that place of dishonor for actual perpetrators and enablers of genocide. The people who bombed the Yazidi yesterday are far lower on my personal despicable scale than the Coultergeist.

[Cleon]

Am I the only one who's disturbed by this "transexual" bit?

It reminds me of conservatives who insinuate that Hillary Clinton is a lesbian.

I despise Coulter (and I'm by no means a Hillary fan), but this smacks of sexism and homophobia.

[BeAChooser]

This thread definitely deserves Ann's latest column:

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/coulter081607.php3 "If at first you don't succeed, lie, lie again"

[ImaginalDisc]

Am I the only one who's disturbed by this "transexual" bit?

It reminds me of conservatives who insinuate that Hillary Clinton is a lesbian.

I despise Coulter (and I'm by no means a Hillary fan), but this smacks of sexism and homophobia.

I meant it entirely in silliness, and meant no offense to transsexual people. Transsexual humans have only one thing in common with Coulter, so there's really no cause to compare them.

[Darth Rotor]

Wait, you're asking me for evidence that she's a transsexual, but you're letting my claim that she's a reptile slide?
Pardalis handled the reptile bit, I thought I'd cover the other bit. :) Tag team, eh?

DR

[MelBrooksfan]

Ann Coulter is a real life version of an internet troll.

[dudalb]

Ann Coulter is a real life version of an internet troll.


That's about it.

[UnrepentantSinner]

I blame Hannity for helping her promote herself so much. She got fired from most columns she wrote so she has to write books to get her brand of "insult-conservatism" out.

That would be all well and good if it were adults getting a hearty chuckle reading her outrages and shaking their heads, but a while back on C-SPAN2 I watched her give a book tour speech to an audience full of giddy little college-aged Stepford wannabes and the Q&A session was disturbing.

[MelBrooksfan]

College-aged? That's not the Coulter's target audience.. Usually that sort reviles conservativism in general.

[Charlie Monoxide]

I watched the videos of Ann Coulter and every time I hear her speak I feel the perfect definition for "cognitive dissonance" ...

Charlie (free speech, but more importantly free ignore) Monoxide

[Cain]

The brainless Moore-Coulter (or Franken-Coulter) comparison is made all too often. The two are not comparable. I think in 2004 USA TODAY did some stunt political reporting by planning to have Coulter cover the Democrats and Moore cover the Republicans. Coulter got fired after turning in her first column, a typical mean-spirited screed.

Here's the first paragraph from Moore's first column:
Welcome, Republicans. You're proud Americans who love your country. In your own way, you want to make this country a better place. Whatever our differences, you should be commended for that.(1)

Here's Ann Coulter's opening:
Here at the Spawn of Satan convention in Boston, conservatives are deploying a series of covert signals to identify one another, much like gay men do. My allies are the ones wearing crosses or American flags. The people sporting shirts emblazoned with the "F-word" are my opponents. Also, as always, the pretty girls and cops are on my side, most of them barely able to conceal their eye-rolling.(2)

People making the hamhanded Coulter-Moore comparison see the world from a severely distorted point of view.

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(1) http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-08-31-moore-index-page_x.htm
(2) http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39644

[Darth Rotor]

The brainless Moore-Coulter (or Franken-Coulter) comparison is made all too often.
Sorry, your own view is the one warped.

Partisan punditry is partisan punditry, and Moore has been pandering to a partisan line since F 9-11. He started as more of a populist, and has morphed.

An I noted before, the comparison isn't great, due to Moore's broad body of work and style, but if you think tone of voice makes up for the underlying partisanship, I have to ask how "brainless" you choose to be. In Moore's defense, he might return to "populist" once his pet hate is gone, whereas Coulter probably never can reach populist, nor want to.

Franken, on the other hand, is a jackaknape who thinks he's funny. He was unfunny on SNL, and he's been unfunny since, and is still a partisan mouthpiece. He's never been populist, he's alway been "urban elite." That's his schtick, which very much puts him in Coulter's camp, class wise. (See her origins. Not a populist.)

What's his excuse: did Bush make him that way?

DR

[Lurker]

It most certainly isn't. They(Moore and Coulter) are both equally useless people.


Hmm, the invective from Coulter is much stronger than Franken's or Moore's. Further, Franken appears to be able to do basic research. Coulter does not even try and willfully lies.

Lurker

[Lurker]

Sorry, your own view is the one warped.

Partisan punditry is partisan punditry, and Moore has been pandering to a partisan line since F 9-11. He started as more of a populist, and has morphed.
No, there is responsible punditry and there is irresponsible punditry. I may not agree with George Will but he is responsible. Coulter is not. Surely you see the difference between a thoughtful analysis of a topic versus total ad homineim?


Franken, on the other hand, is a jackaknape who thinks he's funny. He was unfunny on SNL, and he's been unfunny since, and is still a partisan mouthpiece. He's never been populist, he's alway been "urban elite." That's his schtick, which very much puts him in Coulter's camp, class wise. (See her origins. Not a populist.)
Hmm, unfunny on SNL, yes. Funny books though. So he is partisan. Aren't we all to a certain degree? I am having a hard time discerning what your point about populist versus "urban elite" is. Are you saying Franken should be more populist and what exactly do you mean by that?

Lurker

[Snide]

I have no problem insulting Moore, he's a propagandist who pretends that he makes documentaries. That said, he has a broader body of work than mere partisan harangue, and is thus a bit less of a Johnny one note, so I'll partly agree with you that the comparison isn't well made.

DRI think it was an ok comparison (to Moore). My observation is just that if one were to truly find a "left equal" to Coulter, it woud be someone who is not mainstream or very well known/talked about. People on the right who are "out there" as much as Coulter can make an obscene living selling books, be hired as a "political analyst," and make the people who are not-so-much "out there" look centrist. People that far "out there" on the left don't get the time of day. So we're left to use, thereby insulting, Franken, Moore, and Jon Stewart for lack of mainstream/well-known comparisons.

Although I would agree lumping Moore with Stewart and Franken is somewhat insulting to the latter two.

[Beerina]

I'm not sure I could describe my feelings toward Ann Coulter without getting suspended, so I won't.

Yes, deeply sexual descriptions are now forbidden, aren't they? :mad:

[Cain]

Sorry, your own view is the one warped.

Partisan punditry is partisan punditry, and Moore has been pandering to a partisan line since F 9-11. He started as more of a populist, and has morphed.

For instance...? You mean when he used his Oscar winning speech to speak the truth about Iraq? Or maybe how he tried to warn the country about a Bush victory in '04? If anything Moore is a lot more independent than Democratic lackey, Al Franken. The guy criticizes Democrats and the Democratic party.

An I noted before, the comparison isn't great, due to Moore's broad body of work and style, but if you think tone of voice makes up for the underlying partisanship, I have to ask how "brainless" you choose to be.

I am afraid tone does matter. Say what you want, but Moore is not spewing the same type of character assassination, hate and invective that is coming from Ann Coulter. He's a lot more civil, which is no great accomplishment since we are talking about a uniquely pathetic individual.

In Moore's defense, he might return to "populist" once his pet hate is gone, whereas Coulter probably never can reach populist, nor want to.

Again, please, please, please demonstrate this hate; show how his contempt rivals Coulter's. Bush is arguably the worst president in history, and has done more harm to this country than anyone else. What you're missing, and this is highlighted in excerpts from their columns in my above post, is that Moore rails against elites in the Republican party whereas Coulter despises people who disagree with her.

Franken, on the other hand, is a jackaknape who thinks he's funny. He was unfunny on SNL, and he's been unfunny since, and is still a partisan mouthpiece. He's never been populist, he's alway been "urban elite." That's his schtick, which very much puts him in Coulter's camp, class wise. (See her origins. Not a populist.)

This has always been Franken's schtick. I never did think Stuart Smalley was remotely funny, but _Lying Liars_ is freaking brilliant, and my one major criticism of that book is that I have not seen Franken address charges that he re-worded a paragraph lifted from FAIR.org/ (though he does cite the article in his poorly organized end notes). The introduction to _The Truth (with jokes)_ was also funny, but I did not bother reading the book.

[latent aaaack]

Coulter is a literally (I mean that) a clown, as well as other inflammatory talking heads. Just like people who would react and laugh and so on to clowns in previous centuries are viewed as idiots or weirdos now, I think the same of people who give Coulter attention and react to her views as real and as outrageous antics and talking points. She's smarter then the vast majority of the populace I think, the opponents and supporters who hate and love her, but she scares me like all evil clowns do, she must have a sad lonely freakish personal life.

To the people who continue to voice opinions on her and her views, and who keep on giving opinions and talking about other evil clows like Hilton, and other celebrities I have questions.

Do you honestly not see this woman and people like Paris Hilton as entertainment alone?

At what point do you stop reacting to the entertainment and start reacting to the abuse of media in which entertainment is displacing news to make media executives richer and making everyone talk about evil clows instead of important topics and debating logically?

If the news was replaced with a 24 hour a day Die Hard trilogy would you continue to react to that entertainment instead of protesting the decay of the existence of an informed populace, increasingly replaced by circus freaks and your completely unimportant opinions of the circus freaks?

[pgwenthold]

Do you honestly not see this woman and people like Paris Hilton as entertainment alone?


Don't ask me, ask the people on Fox News (or other supposed "News" channel) who bring her on as if she had something to contribute.

[corplinx]

Morton Downey Jr. didn't die. He's now a post-op anorexic tranny reviving his 80s insult-conservative act under the stage name Ann Coulter.

See, I one-upped the offensive post-op remark by also making fun of a dead guy.

[Deus Ex Machina]

Just interested if you have the slightest shred of evidence for your imputation as to his motive, or whether you're simply being wholly prejudiced. Evidence?

name the good works the porcine producer has given his money to. As for impugning his motives the fact that he lies like a rug is probably enough. But hey, he does it from the *best* of motives so that makes it all good eh?

[Darth Rotor]

If anything Moore is a lot more independent than Democratic lackey, Al Franken. The guy criticizes Democrats and the Democratic party.
Fair enough.
I am afraid tone does matter. Say what you want, but Moore is not spewing the same type of character assassination, hate and invective that is coming from Ann Coulter. He's a lot more civil, which is no great accomplishment since we are talking about a uniquely pathetic individual.
This seems to say that lying (or merely spinning) in a civil tone is a better brand of lie or spin. I suppose you are right, since our politicians lie in civil tones as well, so "good for the goose is good for the gander" in this case.
Again, please, please, please demonstrate this hate; show how his contempt rivals Coulter's. Bush is arguably the worst president in history, and has done more harm to this country than anyone else. What you're missing, and this is highlighted in excerpts from their columns in my above post, is that Moore rails against elites in the Republican party whereas Coulter despises people who disagree with her.
When you can comment on this neutrally, as I am, given my disgust with the shrill tone of the public debate since the 2000 election on both sides, heck, since the gnashing of teeth over a blowjob, get back to me.
This has always been Franken's schtick. I never did think Stuart Smalley was remotely funny, but _Lying Liars_ is freaking brilliant, and my one major criticism of that book is that I have not seen Franken address charges that he re-worded a paragraph lifted from FAIR.org/ (though he does cite the article in his poorly organized end notes). The introduction to _The Truth (with jokes)_ was also funny, but I did not bother reading the book.
As much as I don't care for Franken, I thought it was funny as hell that his "Fair and Balanced" book drew Fox's ire, and in so doing increased, for free, the publicity for it. I think it helped his sales, and certainly helped the buzz. I laughed and laughed.

DR

[Cain]

This seems to say that lying (or merely spinning) in a civil tone is a better brand of lie or spin. I suppose you are right, since our politicians lie in civil tones as well, so "good for the goose is good for the gander" in this case.

You accused Moore of expressing hate, but anyone who is remotely sane will quickly realize he's not in anywhere in the same league as Coulter. What she says about Obama here, what she said about Edwards, what she said in NR that got her fired (killing and Christianizing Muslims, I believe), what she said about 9/11 widows, "intimidating" liberals by exercising the death penalty, claiming liberals want "lots of 9/11s" and on and on and on. Those are just off the top of my head. Can you please, please, please find me something similar Moore has said?

Coulter is worse than a liar: she's a ********ter. She has no regard for the truth.

When you can comment on this neutrally, as I am, given my disgust with the shrill tone of the public debate since the 2000 election on both sides, heck, since the gnashing of teeth over a blowjob, get back to me.

Ah, so now you're the one commenting neutrally, which raises my BS flag. You're not merely more fair, but approaching neutrality. I didn't expect it, but there's yet another layer to your self-delusion. You have nothing other than assertion.

[joobz]

It seems that I need to subscribe to your news letter. I'm finding much that I like in your posts.
Sorry, your own view is the one warped.

Partisan punditry is partisan punditry, and Moore has been pandering to a partisan line since F 9-11. He started as more of a populist, and has morphed.
Yes, Rodger and me was an important film. and quite relavent. Even Bowling for Columbine was an interesting take on news media's responsibility to children.

But F 9-11 was complete punditry.

I haven't seen Sicko, but I hope it's a move back to a more populist, american slant.

Franken, on the other hand, is a jackaknape who thinks he's funny. He was unfunny on SNL, and he's been unfunny since, and is still a partisan mouthpiece. He's never been populist, he's alway been "urban elite." That's his schtick, which very much puts him in Coulter's camp, class wise. (See her origins. Not a populist.)

What's his excuse: did Bush make him that way?

DR

Yup, Franken tried to be the liberal mouth peice, but failed miserably. Unfunny, uniteresting, and terribly derivitive. It was like he simply put the word "Not" at the end of a O'Reiley transcript.


That's why I like the Daily show. Funny, clever and have some great guests.

[Upchurch]

I'm finding much that I like in your posts.
Me, too. It's a shame his political positions are so slanted to the right. Otherwise, he is quite a fine thinker. ;) :p

[Darth Rotor]

You accused Moore of expressing hate, but anyone who is remotely sane will quickly realize he's not in anywhere in the same league as Coulter.
Yes, indeed, you remain neutral. :rolleyes: You cast the first "brainless" stone, and you seem to be feeding off of your own venom. We aren't that far apart.
In Moore's defense, he might return to "populist" once his pet hate is gone, whereas Coulter probably never can reach populist, nor want to.
Did you not grasp what was being said there?
What she says about Obama here, what she said about Edwards, what she said in NR that got her fired (killing and Christianizing Muslims, I believe), what she said about 9/11 widows, "intimidating" liberals by exercising the death penalty, claiming liberals want "lots of 9/11s" and on and on and on. Those are just off the top of my head.
Did you note where I said she's a shrill, scalpel tongued bitch? Were you reading, or building up a rant? Partisan. I agree the styles are not identical, the motivation is, though (see above quote again.) Moore may resort to regular populism once Bush is gone.
Can you please, please, please find me something similar Moore has said?
Moore's Bush bashing needs an example, since 9-11? Why? He's been consistent, and partisan.
Coulter is worse than a liar: she's a ********ter. She has no regard for the truth.
More neutrality. I was more clevel with scalpel tongued bitch: it didn't get auto censored as yours did. :)

Ah, so now you're the one commenting neutrally, which raises my BS flag. You're not merely more fair, but approaching neutrality. I didn't expect it, but there's yet another layer to your self-delusion. You have nothing other than assertion.
More name calling. Ya know, if you hadn't began with that ad hom "brainless" response, this might have been a far more cordial conversation. But I did return the favor, which clouded the message somewhat.

You threw the first stone, Cain. How about you stop, and we can chat?

DR

[Darth Rotor]

Me, too. It's a shame his political positions are so slanted to the right. Otherwise, he is quite a fine thinker. ;) :p
Center and right of center for a long time, with occasional moments of leaping to the right of Atilla the Hun.

If you accuse me of thinking again, sir, I shall have to demand satisfaction. :D

DR

[ponderingturtle]

Fair enough.

This seems to say that lying (or merely spinning) in a civil tone is a better brand of lie or spin. I suppose you are right, since our politicians lie in civil tones as well, so "good for the goose is good for the gander" in this case.
While I dislike Moore's misrepresentation of many things in his work, I think there is a real difference between what I have seen him do and what Coulter does. Moore twists reality to suit his ideology, Coulter has no idea what reality is and could not find it with a map, GPS, and native guide.

I do not agree with what seems to be your assumption that all lies are equal.

[Garrette]

Center and right of center for a long time, with occasional moments of leaping to the right of Atilla the Hun.

If you accuse me of thinking again, sir, I shall have to demand satisfaction. :D

DRFrom Ann Coulter?

Be sure to burn her dress after.

[Lurker]

I am not offended just curious about why people form that opinion of me.

I won't deny that on certain topics I hold views that are same as one what conservative do, but overall I don't think I would be considered one.

I'll admit that I too had the impression you were a conservative. Kind of a moderate conservative.

Lurker

[Cain]

Yes, indeed, you remain neutral. :rolleyes: You cast the first "brainless" stone, and you seem to be feeding off of your own venom.

Practically any claim to neutrality raises suspicion and I would never pronounce such a lofty position.

DR wrote: In Moore's defense, he might return to "populist" once his pet hate is gone, whereas Coulter probably never can reach populist, nor want to.

Followed by:
Did you not grasp what was being said there?

Not really, nor do I care. It struck me as confused and off-topic. Confused in why put "populist" in scare quotes here and not elsewhere. Off-topic in that populism, or pseudo-populism, is beside the point. Al Franken is not a populist but the frequent Franken-Coulter comparisons are also slimy and off-target.

Did you note where I said she's a shrill, scalpel tongued bitch? Were you reading, or building up a rant? Partisan. I agree the styles are not identical, the motivation is, though (see above quote again.) Moore may resort to regular populism once Bush is gone.

It's about more than identical styles. The all-too frequent accusation is that Moore and Franken are in the same class as Coulter when they're completely different beasts.

Moore's Bush bashing needs an example, since 9-11? Why? He's been consistent, and partisan.

[quote]More neutrality. I was more clevel with scalpel tongued bitch: it didn't get auto censored as yours did. :)

Youl sol clevel. Whatevel will I dol?

More name calling. Ya know, if you hadn't began with that ad hom "brainless" response, this might have been a far more cordial conversation. But I did return the favor, which clouded the message somewhat. You threw the first stone, Cain. How about you stop, and we can chat?

I see. After boasting about calling Coulter a "bitch," you're going to mistakenly accuse me of ad hominem (not the first time). When I made my original remarks I did not even have you in mind. Another thing I tire of involves all these accusations of "partisanship." It's all well and good to accuse others of being biased, fine. Unfortunately, I'm asking you to back your stuff. When right-wingers say Coulter has counterparts in Franken and Moore, they are smearing Franken and Moore. It's a tawdry ploy: they try to generate credibility by casting out one of their own and they get to slime more respectable voices in the process. Moore and Franken deserve criticism, but they do not deserve to be compared to Ann Coulter. It's an unfair and brainless comparison.

[Ladewig]

Morton Downey Jr. didn't die.

I hadn't heard that name in years. Your comparison is bang on.

[Snide]

When right-wingers say Coulter has counterparts in Franken and Moore, they are smearing Franken and Moore. It's a tawdry ploy: they try to generate credibility by casting out one of their own and they get to slime more respectable voices in the process. Moore and Franken deserve criticism, but they do not deserve to be compared to Ann Coulter. It's an unfair and brainless comparison.Said better than I tried too...

[DingoBingo]

I only disagree with Coulter on evolution and sexuality issues.

Other than those, she's awesome. :D

[Upchurch]

Other than those, she's awesome. :D
Really? In what sense of the word?

[The Painter]

I watched the little video, what’s the big deal? So she disagrees with the racist, elitist, snobby, hypocritical left wing. You other left wingers are OK. Besides she’s a knock out. Long blonde hair, skinny and brains, it doesn’t get any better.

[Pardalis]

This thread definitely deserves Ann's latest column:

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/coulter081607.php3 "If at first you don't succeed, lie, lie again"

Is this supposed to be a good article? :boggled:

Quite frankly, I can't make heads or tails of it. It reads like the mad rantings of a crazy person on a shooting spree, firing at everything that moves that has the slightest liberal leaning.

[Darth Rotor]

Practically any claim to neutrality raises suspicion and I would never pronounce such a lofty position.
Good. So you wanted to pick a fight, and you did. Mission accomplished.
Not really, nor do I care. It struck me as confused and off-topic. Confused in why put "populist" in scare quotes here and not elsewhere.
What do you mean by "scare" quotes? I used quotes since populism is a bit of a moving target and I am not convinced of Moore's sincerity. Why? His spin that he alleges are documentaries. Also worrisome about using populist is weird things like David Duke running on the Populist Party. (No, Michael Moore is in no threat of being the next David Duke.) Populist can be hard to nail down political stand.

Take Ron Paul. Part of his libertarian appeal is a populist appeal. Take Michael Moore. His movie Roger and Me played to populist sentiment. Are they the same, or are they different breeds of populist appeal?
Off-topic in that populism, or pseudo-populism, is beside the point. Al Franken is not a populist but the frequent Franken-Coulter comparisons are also slimy and off-target.
Not hardly. Both are blatantly partisan shills. Both are elitist, urban self-important mouthpieces. Both have an over inflated opinion of their own opinions. If you find Franken's delivery more civil, fine, that is granted without reservation. If you think he has a higher hit rate on facts, I don't care to quibble over that, since Coulter pisses me off and isn't worth defending. She's not my own, Cain, you just made yourself an ass via assumption.
Go try and pigeon hole someone else. Just because I don't like bleeding heart liberals does not mean I don't like neoconservative jerkoffs or John Birch moonbats. I can hold them equally in contempt, or in varying levels of contempt. I do.
It's about more than identical styles. The all-too frequent accusation is that Moore and Franken are in the same class as Coulter when they're completely different beasts.
Oh? Sorry, I disagree with your assessment. They are loudmouths who get attention and media time, and exploit that to tell slanted messages, spun rhetoric, and on occasion outright lies.
Moore's Bush bashing needs an example, since 9-11? Why? He's been consistent, and partisan.
Youl sol clevel. Whatevel will I dol?
Get the chip off your shoulder, how about that?
I see. After boasting about calling Coulter a "bitch," you're going to mistakenly accuse me of ad hominem (not the first time).
I see, I made a comparison, you chimed in with "brainless" as a descriptive, and this is what, a lively and friendly rejoinder? Horse apples.
When I made my original remarks I did not even have you in mind.
While I find that hard to believe at first blush, based on the sequence of replies, I accept it and admit to possibly reading more into your remark than you'd intended.

I don't think you'd waste your time lying about that.
Another thing I tire of involves all these accusations of "partisanship." It's all well and good to accuse others of being biased, fine.
It's an unfair and brainless comparison.
It's brainless for you to insist that I pretend not to have read, heard, and generally been exposed to the avalanche of partisan bullspit vomiting out of pundits, media, and pols for the past eight years.
Note my reply to Snide, before you opened your soup strainer.
I have no problem insulting Moore, he's a propagandist who pretends that he makes documentaries. That said, he has a broader body of work than mere partisan harangue, and is thus a bit less of a Johnny one note, so I'll partly agree with you that the comparison isn't well made.
Do you read before you sound off?

DR

[Upchurch]

I watched the little video, what’s the big deal? So she disagrees with the racist, elitist, snobby, hypocritical left wing.
Barack Obama is hypocritical based on the fact that he is named "Barack Hussein Obama"? Wha? Are you sure you were watching the right video?


Long blonde hair, skinny and brains, it doesn’t get any better.
A little honesty would be nice, or at least fewer straw man arguments.

[strathmeyer]

Really? In what sense of the word?

When she speaks, aren't you awed?

[Upchurch]

When she speaks, aren't you awed?

As in "Shock and Awe"? Well, half right.

[The Painter]

Barack Obama is hypocritical based on the fact that he is named "Barack Hussein Obama"? Wha? Are you sure you were watching the right video?



.

Oh come on, you can't tell a joke when you hear one??? Man get a sense of humor.

[Darth Rotor]

From Ann Coulter?

Be sure to burn her dress after.
Not even with yours, brother G. ;)

DR

[Upchurch]

Oh come on, you can't tell a joke when you hear one??? Man get a sense of humor.
I see. Why don't we start by you explaining what her non-joking points were?

[Darth Rotor]

I see. Why don't we start by you explaining what her non-joking points were?
If you paid attention to her, she won.

Coulter is sorta like Paris Hilton, in terms of being an attention whore and making a career out of it. One prime distinction is that she's older and less likely to attract men to do sex videos with her.

DR

[The Painter]

If you paid attention to her, she won.

DR


And you all did. Three pages worth. She won.

[Darth Rotor]

And you all did. Three pages worth. She won.
Oops, PWNED by an attention whore. :p

Lose one turn.

DR

[BeAChooser]

It reads like the mad rantings of a crazy person on a shooting spree

Which is perhaps not all that different from what I see on this thread. ;)

[Upchurch]

And you all did. Three pages worth. She won.
So, she has no non-joking points, then? She's just pure fluff?

[Lurker]

So, she has no non-joking points, then? She's just pure fluff?


Coulter's jokes are well crafted to appeal in a serious way to certain elements of her fan base yet can be dismissed as jokes (or hyperbole) if need be to liberals, moderates and conservative who question her.

Of course, with her screaming about Barack being educated in an fundamentalist Islamic madrassa (lie) and then later highlighting his middle name works wonders for her base. Context is everything.

Lurker

[Upchurch]

Coulter's jokes are well crafted to appeal in a serious way to certain elements of her fan base yet can be dismissed as jokes (or hyperbole) if need be to liberals, moderates and conservative who question her.That's why I'm asking a member of her fan base, The Painter, to separate out her point(s) into a definitive, discussable form.

There are many commentators I agree with that make jokes. Yet, if pressed, I can separate the position from the joke and defend it. That's all I'm asking from The Painter.


Of course, with her screaming about Barack being educated in an fundamentalist Islamic madrassa (lie) and then later highlighting his middle name works wonders for her base. Context is everything.
Indeed.

[Cain]

Good. So you wanted to pick a fight, and you did. Mission accomplished.

No, not really. DR, the problem with your arguments in this thread is that they are drawn out and incoherent.

What do you mean by "scare" quotes? I used quotes since populism is a bit of a moving target and I am not convinced of Moore's sincerity. Why? His spin that he alleges are documentaries. Also worrisome about using populist is weird things like David Duke running on the Populist Party. (No, Michael Moore is in no threat of being the next David Duke.) Populist can be hard to nail down political stand.

OOOOOOOk. Let me just tell you that when someone, especially a Moore critic, puts populism in scare quotes, then it suggests Moore is not really a populist but the urban, left-wing elite other conservatives accuse him of actually being (he lives in fat pad in Manhattan, not Flint, and sends his kid to private school). Of course, in the next par

Not hardly. Both are blatantly partisan shills. Both are elitist, urban self-important mouthpieces. Both have an over inflated opinion of their own opinions. If you find Franken's delivery more civil, fine, that is granted without reservation. If you think he has a higher hit rate on facts, I don't care to quibble over that, since Coulter pisses me off and isn't worth defending. She's not my own, Cain, you just made yourself an ass via assumption.


I'm talking about people who make the comparison in order to smear Franken and Moore, but you said the comparison is a bad one, right? And once again, Franken's works are satirical. That's part of their charm. I don't see anything especially wrong with being "elitist, urban, or self-important." I'm not sure if either can be characterized as a "mouthpiece." If you think Coulter is one then that will be more difficult to reconcile with your attempt to marginalize her. The thing about Coulter is that she appeals to the fascist streak in many rank-and-file conservatives: McCarthy was right, liberals are godless. She's just telling it like it is. Do you think the self-important urban elites within the Republican party read her to become informed?

Get the chip off your shoulder, how about that?

No way. I'm a self-important, elitist, left-coaster.

I see, I made a comparison, you chimed in with "brainless" as a descriptive, and this is what, a lively and friendly rejoinder? Horse apples.

What comparison are you talking about? I thought you said the comparison was a bad one. This harkens back to my opening lines above: You want to charge that what I said does not apply to you, but then, unprompted, unidentified, you replied to me.

[Darth Rotor]

OOOOOOOk. Let me just tell you that when someone, especially a Moore critic, puts populism in scare quotes, then it suggests Moore is not really a populist but the urban, left-wing elite other conservatives accuse him of actually being (he lives in fat pad in Manhattan, not Flint, and sends his kid to private school).
??? That's not my line, you may have me confused with Sean Hanity. Of course he lives in Manhattan, he's made good money on his films and he can afford to. He could also live in LA, or SF. What's so sacred about Flint?
And once again, Franken's works are satirical. That's part of their charm.
I don't see anything especially wrong with being "elitist, urban, or self-important." I'm not sure if either can be characterized as a "mouthpiece." If you think Coulter is one then that will be more difficult to reconcile with your attempt to marginalize her.
The thing about Coulter is that she appeals to the fascist streak in many rank-and-file conservatives: McCarthy was right, liberals are godless. She's just telling it like it is. Do you think the self-important urban elites within the Republican party read her to become informed?
No, I think the hard rightists read her for the same reason the choir listens to the preacher when he preaches: something they feel but that she says either better, funnier (now and again) or more acidly than they dare.
No way. I'm a self-important, elitist, left-coaster.
What's left coast got to do with this? I used to live there.
You want to charge that what I said does not apply to you, but then, unprompted, unidentified, you replied to me.
Already covered, I think we are done.

DR

[King of the Americas]

Bill Maher says that Ann is NOT the shrill bitch in private that she is in public. Nor does she actually 'believe' the things she says.

He claims that it is an 'act or persona' that she uses to make tons of cash.

At her core, Ann Coulter is a successful author, period.

She knows her audience, what they want, and how to say things that will get their attention.

She is a lot like Harry Potter, without the wand, cape, and wanting to do good.

My point is she is pure fiction, not real, and written/intended to draw more book sales.

Watching her is like watching a train contineously taking a corner faster and faster. You know it is coming off the track eventually, and that is why we look at it as it passes by each time.

You may not like her, but she is clearly not an idiot.

[Upchurch]

My point is she is pure fiction, not real, and written/intended to draw more book sales.
That may or may not be true, but if true, it makes her no less despicable. Intentionally or not, she is lowering the bar on political discourse and helping to promote ignorance in the public.


You may not like her, but she is clearly not an idiot.
Yes, she is.

If it is not an act, she is mentally challenged. If it is an act, she is dishonestly hurting fellow US citizens in order to make a buck during a time when we need to be coming together for the greater good.

"Successful" and "not an idiot" are not synonyms. The Paris Hilton comparison is an apt one.

[King of the Americas]

She is a staunch capitalist, meaning that if it makes money, it's GOOD, period.

That said, I AGREE with you that she is hurting Americans, our image abroad, and her own standing in a Freedom loving country...BUT she is laughing about it all the way to the bank.

Tobacco has been proven cancerous, but they are still making BILLIONS selling the stuff.

She understands the market, and knows how to sculpt a product that will sell.

Ann Coulter IS successful, because she is not an idiot, and understands fully what America is all about.

'Despicablity' doesn't really come into the equation. I think it is a given.

(*Try asking Michael Moore how much he paid the 'rabbit lady' in his first big documentary "Roger & Me". Lots of people tread upon good people to acquire wealth. Do you think McDonalds is interested in the health of its patrons, or making as much money off each burger as possible? For cqapitalism to succeed, it almost demands that one person or people get to make money off of someone willing to buy crap that isn't 'good' for them.)

[pgwenthold]

I don't blame Coulter, for the most part. I blame the idiots who actually treat her as if she has something to contribute. Ignore the troll and it will go away.

[The Painter]

That's why I'm asking a member of her fan base, The Painter

A Fan!!! Now that’s funny!!! Just because I don’t go along with the hoi polloi here, doesn’t make me a fan. I have read none of her books and I have no intention of doing so. I think she’s a nut, but a tasty nut at that. I do love the way she gets the left wing loonies all worked up into a lather.

[Q-Source]

Is she mad? Why do people give her airtime?

My opinion is that this can only happen in a country where many people identify with a nutter´s point of view no matter how bizarre it is. This would be easily ridiculed and dismissed by other countries media, just like Jeremy Paxman did in UK TV.

[Upchurch]

A Fan!!! Now that’s funny!!! Just because I don’t go along with the hoi polloi here, doesn’t make me a fan. I have read none of her books and I have no intention of doing so. I think she’s a nut, but a tasty nut at that.
That's strange. I could have sworn you said...
Long blonde hair, skinny and brains, it doesn’t get any better.
Brains, huh? What exactly did she say that was so intelligent?


I watched the little video, what’s the big deal? So she disagrees with the racist, elitist, snobby, hypocritical left wing.
Where was she disagreeing with something racist, elitist, snobby, and hypocritical that Barack Obama did or said in that little video you watched?

[DingoBingo]

Really? In what sense of the word?
In that she is logical and rational, unlike 99% of all Leftists.

[Polaris]

Am I the only one who's disturbed by this "transexual" bit?

It reminds me of conservatives who insinuate that Hillary Clinton is a lesbian.

I despise Coulter (and I'm by no means a Hillary fan), but this smacks of sexism and homophobia.

That makes two of us. And it's the kind of rhetoric that Coulter herself would pounce on to show the hypocrisy of "liberals". In fact, she has done so in Slander, in possibly the only good point this creature has ever made, in which she calls liberals on the references to J. Edgar Hoover's cross-dressing (which is an urban legend to boot), and wonders why a group that is supposedly very tolerant of GLT/alternative lifestyles, etc., would bring this detail up?

I agree with her on this point, not because I'm defending Hoover (as she was), but because the man had so many actual things he can be criticized for that to jump on something as irrelevant as that does seem awfully hypocritical. I should probably add that I can't think of any prominent people making a deal out of it in politics, now or in the past, though it is a part of popular culture, and personally I've noticed that more so than not, when I've heard Hoover's name come up in conversation/debate, the cross-dressing thing comes up as well, and not from people who would be shy about calling themselves liberal.

In other words, to say Coulter looks like a transsexual lowers the level of discourse to her own.

[corplinx]

In other words, to say Coulter looks like a transsexual lowers the level of discourse to her own.

To be fair, we said post-op transexual. I didn't want the pre-op guys to get smeared.

[Miss Anthrope]

To be fair, we said post-op transexual. I didn't want the pre-op guys to get smeared.

(not male looks, equine looks)

As to Coulter's pontificating, she is simply a sensationalist partisan. Where maybe on those rare days she might start off with a legitimate point.....she goes into windbag territory quite quickly.

She makes her living on controversy. It's not even worth debating the validity of any of her positions, in my book, because she's all about drama. Folks like that, on any side of the political spectrum, are not worth paying attention to.

[Gurdur]

In that she is logical and rational, unlike 99% of all Leftists.


Amusing. Describing Coulter as "logical and rational" is like describing Charles Manson as a posterboy for family values.

[RandFan]

I used to like reading Colter. She could be deliciously wicked goring sacred cows. I haven't read her column in nearly a year. I think she is deliberately provocative and it makes her a lot of money. Over the years she has ventured farther and farther out over the edge.

I watched the video. The Christian right is very good at divisive politics. I think it wrong. I think it hypocritical though not unexpected for Obama to suggest that it is only the right that engages in divisiveness. The left had demagogued and divided as long as the right has.

Full disclosure, I'm campaigning for and planning to vote for Obama. I will not vote for a Republican for President or Congress because I want to see a reversal in the direction of America.

I want less conservative (more liberal) judges on the Supreme Court. I would like to see an end to faith based initiatives.

I don't drink the Democrats kool-aid. In fact, I realize that the Dems in fact dole out kool-aid.

[Ladewig]

That makes two of us. And it's the kind of rhetoric that Coulter herself would pounce on to show the hypocrisy of "liberals". In fact, she has done so in Slander, in possibly the only good point this creature has ever made, in which she calls liberals on the references to J. Edgar Hoover's cross-dressing (which is an urban legend to boot), and wonders why a group that is supposedly very tolerant of GLT/alternative lifestyles, etc., would bring this detail up?

I agree with her on this point, not because I'm defending Hoover (as she was), but because the man had so many actual things he can be criticized for that to jump on something as irrelevant as that does seem awfully hypocritical.

The cross-dressing claim came from a very biased, unreliable source. There is no hard evidence to back it up; in fact the details surrounding the claim (the cross dressing was witnessed at a party in a hotel and underaged boys were present) are too outlandish to believe.

That being said, the assertion, if it were true, would be exceptionally relevant and not at all hypocritical because Hoover believed that cross-dressing homosexuals in the U.S. government were a threat to national security and should be removed from powerful positions. If he, himself, were engaging in the very activites that he was trying to prevent, then the level of tolerance liberals have for cross-dressers would be irrelevant. What would be important is that photos Hoover engaging in such activites could be used to blackmail one of the most powerful men in the country.

[JJR]

You are aware, I assume, of the oxymoronic nature of this statment?

Exactly. Ann is hot. If she were saying what she said about a Republican African American I would be shocked and disgusted, but she is just picking on a liberal.

Hey, never forget that National Socialism is, in fact, Socialism . . . and many Communist regimes turn Totallitarian. When I think of Coulter I just remember that there is a world of difference between someone who doesn't like superior attitudes so much . . . and someone who can't work well with and respect a superior.

Communists are mad . . . Imperialists are mad . . . It's a sick world, I'm a happy guy.

[JJR]

I used to like reading Colter. She could be deliciously wicked goring sacred cows. I haven't read her column in nearly a year. I think she is deliberately provocative and it makes her a lot of money. Over the years she has ventured farther and farther out over the edge.

I watched the video. The Christian right is very good at divisive politics. I think it wrong. I think it hypocritical though not unexpected for Obama to suggest that it is only the right that engages in divisiveness. The left had demagogued and divided as long as the right has.

Full disclosure, I'm campaigning for and planning to vote for Obama. I will not vote for a Republican for President or Congress because I want to see a reversal in the direction of America.

I want less conservative (more liberal) judges on the Supreme Court. I would like to see an end to faith based initiatives.

I don't drink the Democrats kool-aid. In fact, I realize that the Dems in fact dole out kool-aid.

I trust Republicans over a lot of issues. I just figure . . . just because they're dumb . . . it doesn't mean they're stupid. Really, Republicans have something to offer and so do more liberal folks.

I believe that Republicans can become less self-obsessed and that their pragmatism is valuable. It should be easy to break them of their giddyness since anger and agression snaps you back to reality . . . then we get more pragmatism without the boasting, wine drinking, and corruption.

I pull my punches because too much force spills things over to one side and causes everything to collapse. It doesn't mean you can't kick a few rumps though.

[leftysergeant]

Why is everybody debating the Coulter thing's gender. I' m still trying to figure out its species.

It is evil, whatever it is. People who make inflamatory statements to rouse the rabble have to take the full blame for their actions.

Coulter is not funny, except to sick twisted minds.

Copulter's book are crap, and the only reason so many of the are sold is that frothing right wingers buy them by the gross and give them to liberal friends as Christmas presents in the hopes of converting them.

I really think that Coulter meant the part about the need to kill or convert Muslims. The position of the whackadoo right is that there is no making peace with Muslims, no matter of what stripe. Hannity, O'Reilly, and, on occassion, the fat deaf junky pervert will cite one passage from the Q'uran, actually only a single verse, 2. surah 191 as proof that Muslims are obliged to make war agaisnt us. That passage actually starts at 2.surah 190: "Fight in the way of God against those who fight against you, but do not begin hostilities. Lo! God loveth not an aggressor." And it ends "but if they desist, then let there be no hostilities except with such as shall be evil doers.

That the GOP holds the Coulter thing up as an example of REAL AMERICAN values, just gives radical Muslims one slightly valid reason to hate us.

I actually think Franken is a lot funnier than Coulter. His humor is not mean-spirited. And as for Democrats and liberals in general hating the troops, like Coulter some times suggests, just ask yourself which of the two of them, Coulter or Franken, has done the most to get the soldiers in Iraq brain-protecting helmet liners. (Hint, it was not a blonde bimbo with a big mouth.)

I don't think there is a liberal equivalent to Coulter. The closest I can come to finding one would be Howard Stern, but then, we don't really feel comfortable claiming him, either.

[Ladewig]

That the GOP holds the Coulter thing up as an example of REAL AMERICAN values, just gives radical Muslims one slightly valid reason to hate us.


I never realized that the GOP, itself, holds Coulter up as an example of real american values. Can you give examples?

[Ladewig]

I trust Republicans over a lot of issues. I just figure . . . just because they're dumb . . . it doesn't mean they're stupid. Really, Republicans have something to offer and so do more liberal folks.

Agreed. I prefer neither an America run purely on conservative values nor an America run purely on liberal values.

I believe that Republicans can become less self-obsessed and that their pragmatism is valuable. It should be easy to break them of their giddyness since anger and agression snaps you back to reality . . . then we get more pragmatism without the boasting, wine drinking, and corruption.

During the Clinton impeachment I saw a lot of anger and agression without anyone being snapped back to reality. Dick Cheney dropping an F-bomb on the senate floor certainly did not snap him back to pragmatism.

[RandFan]

Why is everybody debating the Coulter thing's gender. I' m still trying to figure out its species.

It is evil, whatever it is. People who make inflamatory statements to rouse the rabble have to take the full blame for their actions.

Coulter is not funny, except to sick twisted minds.

Copulter's book are crap, and the only reason so many of the are sold is that frothing right wingers buy them by the gross and give them to liberal friends as Christmas presents in the hopes of converting them.

I really think that Coulter meant the part about the need to kill or convert Muslims. The position of the whackadoo right is that there is no making peace with Muslims, no matter of what stripe. Hannity, O'Reilly, and, on occassion, the fat deaf junky pervert will cite one passage from the Q'uran, actually only a single verse, 2. surah 191 as proof that Muslims are obliged to make war agaisnt us. That passage actually starts at 2.surah 190: "Fight in the way of God against those who fight against you, but do not begin hostilities. Lo! God loveth not an aggressor." And it ends "but if they desist, then let there be no hostilities except with such as shall be evil doers.

That the GOP holds the Coulter thing up as an example of REAL AMERICAN values, just gives radical Muslims one slightly valid reason to hate us.

I actually think Franken is a lot funnier than Coulter. His humor is not mean-spirited. And as for Democrats and liberals in general hating the troops, like Coulter some times suggests, just ask yourself which of the two of them, Coulter or Franken, has done the most to get the soldiers in Iraq brain-protecting helmet liners. (Hint, it was not a blonde bimbo with a big mouth.)

I don't think there is a liberal equivalent to Coulter. The closest I can come to finding one would be Howard Stern, but then, we don't really feel comfortable claiming him, either.Translation: Left wing kool-aid is much more sensible and funnier than right wing kool-aid. Could be. I think you have made a few unsubstantiated assumptions and more than a few generalities that can't really be proven or rebutted other than to say that you are engaging in stereotype.

Still, this is the politics section (AKA woo woo land) so I guess unsubstantiated assumptions and generalities have their place.

[Civilized Worm]

Coulter thinks women shouldn't be allowed to vote, so why does she think that anyone should listen to her?


I only disagree with Coulter on evolution and sexuality issues.

Other than those, she's awesome. :D


Really? You agree with this "These people can't even wrap up genocide. We've been hearing about this slaughter in Darfur forever — and they still haven't finished. The aggressors are moving like termites across that country. It's like genocide by committee. Who's running this holocaust in Darfur, FEMA? This is truly a war in which we have absolutely no interest."?


Bill Maher says that Ann is NOT the shrill bitch in private that she is in public. Nor does she actually 'believe' the things she says.

He claims that it is an 'act or persona' that she uses to make tons of cash.


If that's true then I have even less respect for her.

[RandFan]

If that's true then I have even less respect for her.If I could defend Coulter for but a moment. I think it an oversimplification to simply state that she is engaging in dishonest rhetoric. I think she believes in much of what she states however I also think that she does engage in hyperboyle and polemics. I do think that her public face is a personae though I'm not sure how much. What I find it interesting that people feel the need to come to some consensus. I find that largely irrelevant. In the end what difference does it make? Her arguments fail on their face. That said, she is a public figure and her ideas are of consequence. Her credibility is fair game. JMO.

[Civilized Worm]

I don't know how much she believes in what she says, but if she does I can at least respect her honesty. If she's just out to cause trouble to make a buck then I can't even allow her that faint praise.

[LostAngeles]

I used to like reading Colter. She could be deliciously wicked goring sacred cows. I haven't read her column in nearly a year. I think she is deliberately provocative and it makes her a lot of money. Over the years she has ventured farther and farther out over the edge.

I watched the video. The Christian right is very good at divisive politics. I think it wrong. I think it hypocritical though not unexpected for Obama to suggest that it is only the right that engages in divisiveness. The left had demagogued and divided as long as the right has.

Full disclosure, I'm campaigning for and planning to vote for Obama. I will not vote for a Republican for President or Congress because I want to see a reversal in the direction of America.

I want less conservative (more liberal) judges on the Supreme Court. I would like to see an end to faith based initiatives.

I don't drink the Democrats kool-aid. In fact, I realize that the Dems in fact dole out kool-aid.

But it's black cherry Kool Aid... with only like, 3/8c of sugar! I doesn't get better than that!

I kid, I kid.

But in all honesty, could I trouble you to make a thread outlining why you're going with Obama and not any of the other candidates? You're a pretty intelligent and well-thought-out guy, so I'd like to hear your thoughts.

(For the record, I'm undecided at the moment, but thus far, the Republican candidates are going to have to literally provide me with oral sex for at least two hours before I consider going with any of them.

Ron Paul included.)

[JJR]

Agreed. I prefer neither an America run purely on conservative values nor an America run purely on liberal values.

Yeah. After all, Man is neither a hermit; nor is he a herd animal. Problem is: Capitalists aren't cutthroat thieves and liberals aren't totallitarian Communists always hunting for, "Faccist enemies of the state" . . . but Man, the Killer Ape gets lazy when he gets successful and turns into a pig. We go to either extreme . . . and meet, becomming Totallitarian.

During the Clinton impeachment I saw a lot of anger and agression without anyone being snapped back to reality. Dick Cheney dropping an F-bomb on the senate floor certainly did not snap him back to pragmatism.

The Clinton thing wasn't really kicking them in their complacency. If a Republican had been caught with his pants down it would have been cool.

Republicans just need to see that blind greed won't get you the real reward. Your palm may be lined with silver with a quick deal, but postponing gratification for the GREATER reward is the real path of the conservative.

[JJR]

I don't know how much she believes in what she says, but if she does I can at least respect her honesty. If she's just out to cause trouble to make a buck then I can't even allow her that faint praise.

I hope she believes what she says!! If not, she'd be the type to cheat on her husband and I couldn't have that. It's the ladie's book club for extra-marital activity.

[Elizabeth I]

(not male looks, equine looks)

Hey, hey, hey - go easy on the horses.

[complete change of subject with no transition at all] If Ann Coulter's posture is any indication, osteoporosis is not far off.

[RandFan]

I don't know how much she believes in what she says, but if she does I can at least respect her honesty. If she's just out to cause trouble to make a buck then I can't even allow her that faint praise.
I'm tredding on thin ice here. :o

I'm not sure how much honesty there is out there. I hate to burst your bubble but I think Coulter is likely just an extreme. Honesty doesn't really sell. Outrage, polemics, us vs them, that sells.

Punditry and much of journalism or pseudo-journalism is about making money. If you think your favorite talking head chooses honest discourse over fast buck making rhetoric then I think you have had the wool pulled over your eyes.

When I listen to inteligent, sincer and intelectually honest skeptics (like Stephen Novella for instance) the polemics seem to dry up. There are fewer hard edges and few if any absolutes.

Still, I could be persuaded that there are more honest pundits than Coulter.

[RandFan]

But it's black cherry Kool Aid... with only like, 3/8c of sugar! I doesn't get better than that!

I kid, I kid.

But in all honesty, could I trouble you to make a thread outlining why you're going with Obama and not any of the other candidates? You're a pretty intelligent and well-thought-out guy, so I'd like to hear your thoughts.

(For the record, I'm undecided at the moment, but thus far, the Republican candidates are going to have to literally provide me with oral sex for at least two hours before I consider going with any of them.

Ron Paul included.)You flatter me. Thank you very much.

BTW, couple your avatar with talk of oral sex and I'm going to have to take a break for a few minutes (all of Rorschach's inkblots are sexual to me). :)

In any event, I would happily start a thread on Obama though I'm not sure I will do it today.

RandFan

[Miss Anthrope]

I'm tredding on thin ice here. :o

I'm not sure how much honesty there is out there. I hate to burst your bubble but I think Coulter is likely just an extreme. Honesty doesn't really sell. Outrage, polemics, us vs them, that sells.

Punditry and much of journalism or pseudo-journalism is about making money. If you think your favorite talking head chooses honest discourse over fast buck making rhetoric then I think you have had the wool pulled over your eyes.

When I listen to inteligent, sincer and intelectually honest skeptics (like Stephen Novella for instance) the polemics seem to dry up. There are fewer hard edges and few if any absolutes.

Still, I could be persuaded that there are more honest pundits than Coulter.

Beautiful.

[articulett]

Why is everybody debating the Coulter thing's gender. I' m still trying to figure out its species.

I don't think there is a liberal equivalent to Coulter. The closest I can come to finding one would be Howard Stern, but then, we don't really feel comfortable claiming him, either.

I think it's human... androgen insensitivity with a couple of bad homozygous recessives due to inbreeding as well as cranial insensitivity... not genteel enough really to be a troglodyte--bipedal... but does fling poo.

Howard Stern is Republican, I think... or maybe Libertarian. Are there any funny conservatives? Really brilliant ones? I think there used to be, didn't there? Now the American variety is mostly of the blowhard variety. Can andy one name a charming and likable, clearly intelligent, American Conservative. Dennis Miller could qualify, but I think he's gone down hill completely since switching his politics. Did they do a humorectomy along with the conversion?

[JJR]

I'm tredding on thin ice here. :o

I'm not sure how much honesty there is out there. I hate to burst your bubble but I think Coulter is likely just an extreme. Honesty doesn't really sell. Outrage, polemics, us vs them, that sells.

Punditry and much of journalism or pseudo-journalism is about making money. If you think your favorite talking head chooses honest discourse over fast buck making rhetoric then I think you have had the wool pulled over your eyes.

When I listen to inteligent, sincer and intelectually honest skeptics (like Stephen Novella for instance) the polemics seem to dry up. There are fewer hard edges and few if any absolutes.

Still, I could be persuaded that there are more honest pundits than Coulter.

That's a gyp if she's fake. I'd like to find out where all that passion comes from . . . over and over again.

I like people with passion and conviction. Strength really can be a good thing if used properly. If used improperly of course the result is sloth . .. one of the seven deadly sins. ;)

I dunno. I think it would be fun to ride horses with her nonetheless. Wait - if she's TOTALLY real then she probably really WOULD be a dominating woman!!! Uh oh!! :eye-poppi

[JJR]

Hey, hey, hey - go easy on the horses.

[complete change of subject with no transition at all] If Ann Coulter's posture is any indication, osteoporosis is not far off.

All women get a little horse faced and gangly when they get long in the tooth, sparky.

[RandFan]

That's a gyp if she's fake. I'd like to find out where all that passion comes from . . . over and over again.

I like people with passion and conviction. Strength really can be a good thing if used properly. If used improperly of course the result is sloth . .. one of the seven deadly sins. ;)

I dunno. I think it would be fun to ride horses with her nonetheless. Wait - if she's TOTALLY real then she probably really WOULD be a dominating woman!!! Uh oh!! :eye-poppi:D

You know I think she is hot but I have to admit she does have an adams apple. I think most guys would do her though. Men are pigs. I know, I'm one. Just like sheep, men lie.

[JJR]

:D

You know I think she is hot but I have to admit she does have an adams apple. I think most guys would do her though. Men are pigs. I know, I'm one. Just like sheep, men lie.

She's not a model, but she'd do. And, yes, men are pigs, sexually. Dogs at any rate.

I just wish . . . since I'm going to be attracted anyway . .. to use this situation to spell out to Yuppies that . . . many of them are hot and they smell nice. They really don't have to become Arnold . . . but they have to be able to pass boot camp from now on. Their wimpiness is affecting their minds . . . and no one wants crazy leadership. R.O.T.C. in High School or College, like in the 50s.

All of which (health, strength, and leadership skills) leads to healthy adult paterns of behavior . . . and Nature is there to sneak in the desire to reproduce. The universe likes to keep talking to itself and must be appeased. Even the church in the Dark Ages couldn't argue with this event.

Oh, and I'd deal with her overt provocative nature . . . the right way. ;)

[Lurker]

Her arguments fail on their face. That said, she is a public figure and her ideas are of consequence. Her credibility is fair game. JMO.

I agree her arguments fail on their face but I have spent countless hours debating conservatives who think her words are gospel. I guess that is really a failing of mine - fighting the unwinnable.

Lurker

[Tricky]

:D I think most guys would do her though.
Maybe if you put a bag over her brain.

[Garrette]

Copulter's book are crap, and the only reason so many of the are sold is that frothing right wingers buy them by the gross and give them to liberal friends as Christmas presents in the hopes of converting them.Recognizing that you are (I think) engaging in a bit of hyperbole, I think it's off the mark.

I know quite a few people who buy all Coulter's books and think she's wonderful (fewer now will admit it than a couple of years ago).

My sister and her family are among those who like Coulter, and none of them are rabid right wingers, though my nephew approaches it fairly closely, and they are very definitely conservative.

I think it simply comes down to confirmation bias, much as believers in psychics fall victim to.

They have a general political position. They have real and busy lives which consume too much of their time to allow them to dig deeply into the political claims of others. They look for someone to distill all the political talk into something comprehensible and easily digestible. They see Michael Moore and Ann Coulter. They know Moore is wrong by default. They buy Coulter.

Coulter wins.

For many years my sister could not understand why I disliked Coulter so much even though I was an admitted conservative. When "Godless" came out she and her kids asked me what I thought. So I did the unthinkable and bought the book (I had already sworn I would never buy anything else of Coulter's), showed as many of the inaccuracies and lies as I could stomach. Did the same for "Treason" and a couple of others. Mind you, I didn't do it all by myself; the internet is my friend. Wrote up a thick packet of info and gave it to them.

The response a few weeks later was "Well, we don't believe everything she says quite as much anymore, but we still like her."

I hadn't really expected more.

[DingoBingo]

Amusing. Describing Coulter as "logical and rational" is like describing Charles Manson as a posterboy for family values.
Coulter says we need to reinstate the death penalty for murders. Leftists want guys like Manson to be "rehabilitated" and released back into society.


Oh, and have you even bothered reading one of her books?

[JJR]

I think we'd get along. After all, I can say that it was very cool of Bush to say he wanted to go nuclear. I mean that. As far as I'm concerned, that's like giving my family (the Rose clan) a personal note of appreciation. It's what we do (B52s back in the day).

I could even argue that I understand why it's not time to nuke . . . that it would be inhumane because since they think we're weak they would never give up . . . even as we kept killing them. A "deterrant" only works if a certain ammount of belief is involved. The enemy has to believe in your determination and ruthlessness. If they smell fear they keep comming. We're working on erasing the fear and lack of unity.

As a Republican she hates wimps . . . as do I. She really has no way to squirm away from my logic.

You know, war has to happen sometimes. This one has gone on long enough, though. I want to say, "that's enough" and get er dun. That's about the size of it.

We've been farting around since the fifties, now. Dammit.

[Upchurch]

Coulter says we need to reinstate the death penalty for murders. Leftists want guys like Manson to be "rehabilitated" and released back into society.
Well, that's a big ol' dusty strawman.

Who is saying that Manson should or could be rehabilitated? I don't know if I'm one of the Leftists you are referring to, but I'm just fine with the creep rotting in prison for the rest of his life and maybe a few dozen years after that.


Oh, and have you even bothered reading one of her books?
I have. It was horribly written. The one good thing I came away from it with was a resource with a vast wealth of examples of logical and argumentative fallacies. I'm just glad I didn't pay any hard earned money in order to read it.

[Garrette]

Coulter says we need to reinstate the death penalty for murders.And this is a good thing, without reservation?


Leftists want guys like Manson to be "rehabilitated" and released back into society. Wrapping a straw man in a false dichotomy. Well done, sir.


Oh, and have you even bothered reading one of her books?I have. They're poorly written polemics full of misrepresentations and lies. They have a popular appeal to some, though. The majority of those have not taken the time to fact check her assertions and are surprised when confronted with them.

[JJR]

Well, that's a big ol' dusty strawman.

Who is saying that Manson should or could be rehabilitated? I don't know if I'm one of the Leftists you are referring to, but I'm just fine with the creep rotting in prison for the rest of his life and maybe a few dozen years after that.

Yep. Rapists get life . . . until there is no lead in the pencil. This is different from what feminists want . . . feminazis who buy a large dog and have it neutered. They also wring their hands for 14-year-old illegals from South America who get busted for murder . . . something they have been doing since they were able to wield a knife. Probably age 10.

Only in America! What a great country!!

I have. It was horribly written. The one good thing I came away from it with was a resource with a vast wealth of examples of logical and argumentative fallacies. I'm just glad I didn't pay any hard earned money in order to read it.

Never believe the hype.

[Upchurch]

Yep. {snip} Never believe the hype.
I have no idea what you are trying to say in this post.

[Katana]

I have no idea what you are trying to say in this post.


So I'm not the only one?

[uruk]

I don't see what the big deal is with Ann Coulter is. She's the Howard Stern of Right Wing fanatical politics.

She's just another meaningless shock jock. Anybody who takes her seriously is next of kin to an inbread, Jerry Springer show hooting, Fox Television show loving, mouth breathing, knuckle dragger.





Oh wait...... I watch The Simpsons religeously.

[uruk]

Coulter says we need to reinstate the death penalty for murders.

I guess Coulter has never been to Texas.

We never stopped rackin' an' stackin' 'em.
Young, old, mentaly retarted. We kill 'em all. YEEEEHAAAA!

[Ladewig]

IYou know, war has to happen sometimes. This one has gone on long enough, though. I want to say, "that's enough" and get er dun. That's about the size of it.

If you were in charge of our military, what exactly would you do to "get 'er done"? Feel free to start a new thread if you think it would derail this thread.

[JJR]

I have no idea what you are trying to say in this post.

Hype - what people say about a person, place, or thing.

Reality is often very different than second hand information. Thus, the word "hearsay" in a Court of Law.

[JJR]

If you were in charge of our military, what exactly would you do to "get 'er done"? Feel free to start a new thread if you think it would derail this thread.

The war has gone on long enough. Either pull out and nuke them or just pull out and ignore them.

Either way, pull out. Enough is enough.

[LostAngeles]

You flatter me. Thank you very much.

BTW, couple your avatar with talk of oral sex and I'm going to have to take a break for a few minutes (all of Rorschach's inkblots are sexual to me). :)

In any event, I would happily start a thread on Obama though I'm not sure I will do it today.

RandFan

You're quite welcome.

Don't feel bad, it's simply O'Keefe's Jack-in-the-Pulpit...

and thank you!

[Cleon]

Coulter says we need to reinstate the death penalty for murders.

We already have the death penalty for murder.


Leftists want guys like Manson to be "rehabilitated" and released back into society. No, we don't. You should maybe at least consider the possibility that maybe some of the stuff Coulter says about liberals, leftists, and so on is not 100% accurate.

[Gurdur]

Coulter says we need to reinstate the death penalty for murders.
Coulter says lots of things. Some of the things she says are quite insane.
Leftists want guys like Manson to be "rehabilitated" and released back into society.
Are you quoting Coulter? Because that sounds like quite an insane allegation.
Oh, and have you even bothered reading one of her books?
Yes.

Have you even bothered actually learning proper logic, out of interest? Or studying up on real rationalism?

[leftysergeant]

The only way I will buy one of Coulter's books is if I find one really, really cheap at a garage sale. I will not finance the instigation of violence.

Coulter actually believes her own blather, on at least some level. And some of it is meant to inspire attitudes conducive to violence.

Coulter is evil, whether writing these screeds for money or for shock value. The harm that these attitudes can do is immense.

Any society that feels free to "otherize" any segmnet of its own population is in dire danger, like Germany in 1933.

[Darth Rotor]

The only way I will buy one of Coulter's books is if I find one really, really cheap at a garage sale. I will not finance the instigation of violence.
OK.
Coulter actually believes her own blather, on at least some level. And some of it is meant to inspire attitudes conducive to violence.
I thought it was intended to influence votes. Do you think she want to incite riots?
Coulter is evil,
Yeah, she's part of that Axis of Evil, the one Bush forgot to mention along with Iran, Iraq, North Korea. Glad you caught that one. :D
whether writing these screeds for money or for shock value.
I think she writes these screeds for money AND shock value, since without the latter no buzz, no sales, and thus none of the former. ;)
The harm that these attitudes can do is immense. Any society that feels free to "otherize" any segmnet of its own population is in dire danger, like Germany in 1933.
Thank you, Mr Godwin, though I tend to agree that her style pollutes the public discourse.

DR

[Upchurch]

I thought it was intended to influence votes. Do you think she want to incite riots?
I think he is referring to the death penalty thing.

Possibly also the "us vs. them" black and white world view she promotes that erodes empathy for those who are different and makes violence easier, but that's just a guess.

[JJR]

I think he is referring to the death penalty thing.

Possibly also the "us vs. them" black and white world view she promotes that erodes empathy for those who are different and makes violence easier, but that's just a guess.

Sounds like an uphill and foolhardy battle. Humans are too nice, if anything. We've made slaves of our conquered enemies too many times for anyone who has even studied history at a glance to ignore.

We enslaved them . . . instead of killing them. Then of course we bred with them.

I can see wanting to seperate ourselves from "backwards people" because we can't resist the mating call of the wild but trying to perpetuate hateful feelings? Not possible.

[RandFan]

You're quite welcome.

Don't feel bad, it's simply O'Keefe's Jack-in-the-Pulpit...

and thank you!Yeah, I supose that is the metaphor of the day. I prefer little man in the boat but what ever floats... never mind. ;)

[RandFan]

Coulter is evil, whether writing these screeds for money or for shock value. The harm that these attitudes can do is immense.

Any society that feels free to "otherize" any segmnet of its own population is in dire danger, like Germany in 1933.Here's the thing, attitudes influence ideas and ideas and attitudes influence behavior.

There are few things more dangerous than ideas. Damn ideas.

Can you imagine when people can just spread their hateful ideas?

Let's burn 'em. Let's have a great big book burning.

How can A society possibly "otherize" [sic] Coulter? HOW?

[JJR]

Furthering what I said in the last post, I . . . hope everyone knows that Man's mellow good nature is what has caused Civilization after Civilization to fall. That's not bad because nearly every Civilization so far was brutal and wicked. The hierarchy always turns elitist and prissy, gets scared at bad feedback . . . overdoes it, creates martyrs . . . and the rest is (pardon the pun) . . . history.

Can't fight human nature, man. Go with the flow.

Just another thing I want people to do and they don't. They'd rather have a hissy fit. It's embarassing.

[leftysergeant]

[QUOTE=JJR;2889037]Furthering what I said in the last post, I . . . hope everyone knows that Man's mellow good nature is what has caused Civilization after Civilization to fall. That's not bad because nearly every Civilization so far was brutal and wicked....Can't fight human nature, man. Go with the flow..../QUOTE]

Total BS.

Charity made us human. It was the characteristic that allowed our ancestors to survive on the bushveldt and in the caves of Europe in the Ice Age. Even before they had identifiably human heads, the hominins took care of each other, nursed their sick and shared their food. THe fossil record supports it.

Had our first ancestors been egoists, they would have quickly become hyena chow.

[JJR]

[QUOTE=JJR;2889037]Furthering what I said in the last post, I . . . hope everyone knows that Man's mellow good nature is what has caused Civilization after Civilization to fall. That's not bad because nearly every Civilization so far was brutal and wicked....Can't fight human nature, man. Go with the flow..../QUOTE]

Total BS.

Charity made us human. It was the characteristic that allowed our ancestors to survive on the bushveldt and in the caves of Europe in the Ice Age. Even before they had identifiably human heads, the hominins took care of each other, nursed their sick and shared their food. THe fossil record supports it.

Had our first ancestors been egoists, they would have quickly become hyena chow.

Rebel forces are human. I never said they were not.

I blamed the hierarchy for our past civilization's collapse.

'Night I guess. Busy day on the morrow.

[RandFan]

Had our first ancestors been egoists, they would have quickly become hyena chow.It's really not that simple. Human nature isn't so black and white. Had our first ancestors always sacrificed their own needs for others we would not be here either. Read Dawkin's Selfish Gene. He makes this quite clear. It is the balance of our own needs and the needs of others that make us human. And sadly it all comes down to mathematics and genes. The more likely you are to help my genes survive then the more charitable I am to you.

[RandFan]

The only way I will buy one of Coulter's books is if I find one really, really cheap at a garage sale.

Any society that feels free to "otherize" any segmnet of its own population is in dire danger, like Germany in 1933.So, what did you decide we should do about Coulter's dangerous ideas?

[Lurker]

Furthering what I said in the last post, I . . . hope everyone knows that Man's mellow good nature is what has caused Civilization after Civilization to fall. That's not bad because nearly every Civilization so far was brutal and wicked. The hierarchy always turns elitist and prissy, gets scared at bad feedback . . . overdoes it, creates martyrs . . . and the rest is (pardon the pun) . . . history.


I suggest you reexamine history. Look at Julius Caesar. Much of the success of Rome was due to him immediately forgiving his enemies and assimilating them into Roman life. Whether they were foreign tribes or Roman senators.

It seems the mellow good nature DOES work from time to time.

Lurker

[Upchurch]

And sadly it all comes down to mathematics and genes. The more likely you are to help my genes survive then the more charitable I am to you.
Yes, we are definitely swayed by base instinct, but we also have reason. Cognitively we have to realize that if we can't get along with one another eventually we will end up killing everything on the planet. That certainly wouldn't be very helpful to anyone's genes.

[Senex]

This thread is terribly unfair to Ms. Coulter. Does she not...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Senex/highres_67798.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Senex/coulter.jpg


look good in fetish attire. I've seen her on TV and I've not heard a word she says that distresses me :rolleyes:

[Upchurch]

This thread is terribly unfair to Ms. Coulter. Does she not... look good in fetish attire. I've seen her on TV and I've not heard a word she says that distresses me :rolleyes:

If that is our criteria for judging political pundits, Bill O'Reilly has sunk to even further depths of credibility than I could have ever imagined. :eek:

[Senex]

If that is our criteria for judging political pundits, Bill O'Reilly has sunk to even further depths of credibility than I could have ever imagined. :eek:

You piss and moan with your criteria -- and I'll sit back and enjoy my own criteria. Who cares about Bill O'Reilly?

[Upchurch]

You piss and moan with your criteria -- and I'll sit back and enjoy my own criteria. Who cares about Bill O'Reilly?

Could you imagine Bill O'Reilly in fetish attire? :jaw-dropp

It was a joke, which apparently I was mistaken in thinking you were joking as well, given the roll-eyes smilie. Honestly, that's even more disturbing.

Nothing she says distresses you? Killing, destruction, forced conversions, undermining science and education on religious grounds, none of that?

[Senex]

Could you imagine Bill O'Reilly in fetish attire? :jaw-dropp

It was a joke, which apparently I was mistaken in thinking you were joking as well, given the roll-eyes smilie. Honestly, that's even more disturbing.

Nothing she says distresses you? Killing, destruction, forced conversions, undermining science and education on religious grounds, none of that?


I think of her as a stand-up republican comic. Unfortunately she occasionally goes off the deep end. I can understand Bill Maher's loyalty to her though. She's got legs.

[Damien Evans]

Could you imagine Bill O'Reilly in fetish attire? :jaw-dropp

It was a joke, which apparently I was mistaken in thinking you were joking as well, given the roll-eyes smilie. Honestly, that's even more disturbing.

Nothing she says distresses you? Killing, destruction, forced conversions, undermining science and education on religious grounds, none of that?

Upchurch, I'm pretty sure Senex was joking

[Upchurch]

I think of her as a stand-up republican comic.
Why on Earth would you do that? Has she presented herself as such?


Upchurch, I'm pretty sure Senex was joking
I'm not so sure. s/he is being fairly defensive.

[RandFan]

Yes, we are definitely swayed by base instinct, but we also have reason. Cognitively we have to realize that if we can't get along with one another eventually we will end up killing everything on the planet. That certainly wouldn't be very helpful to anyone's genes.While I don't necessarily think your prediction inevitable I largely agree. Reason is a two edged sword. Base instincts coupled with reason got us to where we are today. There is no denying that. Can our reason propel us to stop global warming and keep our fingers off of the trigger? I don't know. I hope so.

[Senex]

Upchurch, I'm pretty sure Senex was joking

I'm not so sure. s/he is being fairly defensive.

Well, maybe I was joking, but now having my gender in dispute I think this is an anything goes thread.

Here is a picture of Ann shooting liberal trash. Isn't she cute holding a rifle :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Senex/gun.jpg

Here is Ann walking down the street

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Senex/ann_coulter.jpg

She is hot!

[Upchurch]

While I don't necessarily think your prediction inevitable I largely agree.
We got lucky during the 20th century Cold War. (it's odd to think of it in those terms) How many times can we be in that kind of situation before some hot head does hit the button? Given enough time, I'd think it would have to be inevitable, unless we can avoid being in that kind of situation in the first place.


Reason is a two edged sword. Base instincts coupled with reason got us to where we are today. There is no denying that. Can our reason propel us to stop global warming and keep our fingers off of the trigger? I don't know. I hope so.
I dunno. It seems like what has gotten us into a lot of our current situations is a rejection of reason in favor of fanaticism or extremism.

[Upchurch]

Well, maybe I was joking, but now having my gender in dispute I think this is an anything goes thread.
How am I supposed to know what gender you are? "Senex" isn't a name I'm familiar with, let alone have any context to know whether or not it is male or female. You are panting over a woman (which statistically would indicate that you are male), but the avatar you've chosen to represent yourself depicts a woman.

I have no idea what your gender is.


She is hot!
If you say so. It makes her no less a hindrance to society.

[RandFan]

I dunno. It seems like what has gotten us into a lot of our current situations is a rejection of reason in favor of fanaticism or extremism. My point was that we have had both not that we have always used both. I concede your point though.

[Darth Rotor]

We got lucky during the 20th century Cold War. (it's odd to think of it in those terms) How many times can we be in that kind of situation before some hot head does hit the button? Given enough time, I'd think it would have to be inevitable, unless we can avoid being in that kind of situation in the first place.
Why do you presume all humans would die in a nuclear war? If 95 % died, but 5% survived, the species would survive and begin the long, slow struggle back up the food chain.
I dunno. It seems like what has gotten us into a lot of our current situations is a rejection of reason in favor of fanaticism or extremism.
How about emotion based behavior?

Group: Rush.

Album: Hemispheres

The album is, among other things, a series of explorations of the competing influences of emotion and reason.

Apollo was astonished, Dionysus thought me mad is one of my favorite lines on the whole album. I think Lee was commenting on the fundamental problem of false dichotomies based on perspective.

Excerpt from the song Trees. (From memory)

The trouble with the maples
And they're quite convinced they're right
The oaks are much to lofty
They grab up all the light

But the oaks can't help their feelings
If the like the way they are made
And they wonder why the maples
Can't be happy in their shade

Where ya sit determines what ya see. We don't all sit on the same barstool.

DR

[Senex]

How am I supposed to know what gender you are? "Senex" isn't a name I'm familiar with, let alone have any context to know whether or not it is male or female. You are panting over a woman (which statistically would indicate that you are male), but the avatar you've chosen to represent yourself depicts a woman.

I have no idea what your gender is.

If you say so. It makes her no less a hindrance to society.

OK, no one had an issue with my gender before you. Everyone knew I was the guy who drove the car into the side of the road, not the girl in the foreground. I guess you want to make fun of me. Maybe I will take a shot at you.

Bring on Ann...

Here is a picture of Ann with a political figure who represents minorities


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Senex/acrev.jpg

Here is a picture of Ann showing her respect for those who have passed.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Senex/ACgrave.jpg


This is just Ann being Ann

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Senex/Ann-Coulter.jpg

[Darth Rotor]

OK, no one had an issue with my gender before you. Everyone knew I was the guy who drove the car into the side of the road, not the girl in the foreground.
I regret to report that tend to look at the girl, not the car, in your avatar. Please don't hate me. :(
Bring on Ann...

So what do you do with a pundit in the parlor and a virgin on the roof? ;)

How many geese in a gaggle?

DR

[Lurker]

Why do you presume all humans would die in a nuclear war? If 95 % died, but 5% survived, the species would survive and begin the long, slow struggle back up the food chain.
Hmm, I think if it were a total nuclear exchange humans probably would die out.


Group: Rush.

Album: Hemispheres

The album is, among other things, a series of explorations of the competing influences of emotion and reason.

Apollo was astonished, Dionysus thought me mad is one of my favorite lines on the whole album. I think Lee was commenting on the fundamental problem of false dichotomies based on perspective.

Excerpt from the song Trees. (From memory)
DR

Quoting Rush, are ya? All right, you get some respect from me. :) Gotta like "Trees".

Lurker

[Senex]

I regret to report that tend to look at the girl, not the car, in your avatar. Please don't hate me. :(


So what do you do with a pundit in the parlor and a virgin on the roof? ;)

How many geese in a gaggle?

DR

Well, you don't need to interpret any photos -- you know the history of the brilliant Roman character Senex. A character rooted in misogynistic heterosexual behavior.

[DingoBingo]

I don't know any Leftists that aren't against the death penalty. I don't even know of any who support locking up murders for life.

[Tricky]

I don't know any Leftists that aren't against the death penalty. I don't even know of any who support locking up murders for life.
Here's one. Actually I prefer the death penalty to life inprisonment. There is no point in keeping someone alive who will never be free again. But I'm quite liberal on most issues.

Isn't it funny how people refuse to fit in those little boxes you put out for them?

[Upchurch]

Why do you presume all humans would die in a nuclear war? If 95 % died, but 5% survived, the species would survive and begin the long, slow struggle back up the food chain.
Touche.

How about emotion based behavior?
Sure. That too.

Where ya sit determines what ya see. We don't all sit on the same barstool.
Continuing the metaphor, we may not all sit on the same barstool, but we all sit. There is always some common ground.

I don't know any Leftists that aren't against the death penalty. I don't even know of any who support locking up murders for life.
How many "Leftists" do you know? And for that matter, exactly what do you mean by "Leftist"?

[Upchurch]

Here's one. Actually I prefer the death penalty to life inprisonment. There is no point in keeping someone alive who will never be free again. But I'm quite liberal on most issues.

Isn't it funny how people refuse to fit in those little boxes you put out for them?
If I qualify for his definition of "Leftist", I'm another that doesn't fit in the box. I'm all for locking some bipeds, who only pretend to be human, in a hole in the ground for the rest of their unnatural lives and then giving them another decade or so in there just to make sure.

[Lurker]

I don't know any Leftists that aren't against the death penalty. I don't even know of any who support locking up murders for life.


Although I have some reservations about the death penalty, I am for it.

I am 100% for locking up murderers for life.

And I am a liberal.

Lurker

[Senex]

imaging problems

[JJR]

Although I have some reservations about the death penalty, I am for it.

I am 100% for locking up murderers for life.

And I am a liberal.

Lurker

I am for a humane death penalty. Euphorically humane.

I am 100% for locking up rapists for life.

Am I a liberal?

Joan Jett's rabbit

[Senex]

Maybe you believe in the death penalty -- are you wavering about your opinions? This little lady doesn't waver. She is rock solid.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Senex/silver-dress.jpg

[Upchurch]

are you wavering about your opinions? This little lady doesn't waver. She is rock solid.
You may not have noticed, but this is a board that is primarily dedicated to skepticism. Skepticism is all about questioning ideas, especially your own. Being open to changing your mind, given good reason, is a virtue.

You aren't really complimenting her, but I think you may be correct.

[JJR]

Maybe you believe in the death penalty -- are you wavering about your opinions? This little lady doesn't waver. She is rock solid.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Senex/silver-dress.jpg

I'd hit it. I never waver either. My goals have never changed . . . other than wanting to be an astronaut at age 6. Of course, I'm planning on asking Bush if he can get me into space next time my family sees him so . . . I guess I don't waver.

[The Painter]

You may not have noticed, but this is a board that is primarily dedicated to skepticism. Skepticism is all about questioning ideas, especially your own. Being open to changing your mind, given good reason, is a virtue.

You aren't really complimenting her, but I think you may be correct.


Ha ha ha. that's the biggest load of crap I've heard. Not in this sub-forum. In politics this place is 95% leftist. Hard core lefties.

[Upchurch]

Ha ha ha. that's the biggest load of crap I've heard. Not in this sub-forum. In politics this place is 95% leftist. Hard core lefties.
What was it DR was saying about barstools?

Anyway, being liberal or conservative has nothing to do with adhering to skepticism. Do you actually disagree with anything I said in that post about skepticism?

[Darth Rotor]

What was it DR was saying about barstools?

Anyway, being liberal or conservative has nothing to do with adhering to skepticism. Do you actually disagree with anything I said in that post about skepticism?

Legend has it that Davy Crockett never once stepped in barstool in the woods.

DR

[The Painter]

Skepticism is all about questioning ideas, especially your own

While this may be true, I can count on one hand the number of people in the political forum this is true for. You ain't one of them.

[Senex]

God Bless open-minded people

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Senex/Annsit.jpg

[Garrette]

Legend has it that Davy Crockett never once stepped in barstool in the woods.

DRI am ashamed to say I had to think a few seconds before getting this.

[Garrette]

While this may be true, I can count on one hand the number of people in the political forum this is true for. You ain't one of them.You need a bigger hand.

I disagree with Upchurch at times, but he's one of the more open-minded folks here, both in politics and the forum in general.

[Garrette]

God Bless open-minded people

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Senex/Annsit.jpg Good lord! It's Zombie Ann!

[Tailgater]

God Bless open-minded people

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Senex/Annsit.jpg

Ouch. Sometimes she looks good and sometimes she lookes like a dude. If she were in an action movie, Alexis Arquette could be her stunt double.

[Ladewig]

I don't know any Leftists that aren't against the death penalty. I don't even know of any who support locking up murders for life.

Really? I just asked five liberal friends if they are favor a law which allowed for life without the possibility of parole and all five (three in Texas [1], one in Illinois, and one in California) said they were in favor of it. Obviously that is not a scientific poll, but given that, to my knowledge, I have never encountered a liberal who thought John Wayne Gacy or Jeffrey Dahmer should have the possibility of ever being released, I have to ask what part of the nation do you live in?

Do any posters know of any liberal bloggers that specifically state that they against life without parole? Are there any liberal politicans who have gone on record as being against life without parole?

. . . . . .
[1] Texas law currently does not allow juries the option of life without parole; the only choices are death penalty and life with possibility of parole

[Upchurch]

While this may be true, I can count on one hand the number of people in the political forum this is true for. You ain't one of them.
Then you don't know me very well.


eta:
I disagree with Upchurch at times, but he's one of the more open-minded folks here, both in politics and the forum in general.
Sometimes eating crow is harder than other times, but I do my best. Thank you.

[Tricky]

While this may be true, I can count on one hand the number of people in the political forum this is true for. You ain't one of them.
Are you one of them?

[Elizabeth I]

Well, maybe I was joking, but now having my gender in dispute I think this is an anything goes thread.

Here is a picture of Ann shooting liberal trash. Isn't she cute holding a rifle :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Senex/gun.jpg

Here is Ann walking down the street

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Senex/ann_coulter.jpg

She is hot!

If you like that concentration-camp-legs look.

[plumjam]

she's definitely a problem for Evolution

[leftysergeant]

And sadly it all comes down to mathematics and genes. The more likely you are to help my genes survive then the more charitable I am to you.

The selfish gene is in all critters, but only the most advanced, humans and bonobos, really seem to be driven by altruism. Altruism, despite what creatists say about its negative survival value, was essential to the survival of the early hominins. The willingness to risk one's own life for the survival of the group, which includes others bearing some of your genes, increases the chances of your genetic line succeding, long term. Hominins in the bush were no match for most of the predators as individuals. As a group, they gained the advantage. Every man for himself is the way of the baboons.

Coulter is more like a baboon than a bonobo.

As for the picture with the rifle, doesn't it look like the butt of that rifle might be too high up on the shoulder? Like over the clavicle? Good thing it's a .22 and not an -06. Somewhere on the net there is a picture of Coulter with a semi-automatic handgun that is more clearly indicative that this person knows squat about proper firearms handling.

And I am begining to understand, looking at these pics of Coulter, why so many Republican men need Viagra.

[RandFan]

The selfish gene is in all critters, but only the most advanced, humans and bonobos, really seem to be driven by altruism. Altruism, despite what creatists say about its negative survival value, was essential to the survival of the early hominins. The willingness to risk one's own life for the survival of the group, which includes others bearing some of your genes, increases the chances of your genetic line succeding, long term. Hominins in the bush were no match for most of the predators as individuals. As a group, they gained the advantage. Every man for himself is the way of the baboons.That's all interesting as far as opinion goes but it isn't grounded in science. If you are interestd I would highly recomend Dawkins' seminal work.

In any event, thanks, I guess.

Best of luck,

RandFan

ETA: To be fair it is not as though none of what you are saying is grounded in science. It's just that your view is skewed. First off there is no false dichotomy of everyone for himself or atruism. Also, altrusim is clearly a genetic trait and there are many examples of altruism in early humans but what you are talking about, to a large degree, is cooperation and not necassarily altruism. If two people go out on a hunt and then split up the meat at the end of the hunt, that is not an example of altruism.

If one of them is injured and the other must decide whether to carry meat home to his family or carry his companion home and he chooses his companion then THAT is altruism.

[leftysergeant]

If one of them is injured and the other must decide whether to carry meat home to his family or carry his companion home and he chooses his companion then THAT is altruism.

Based on the fossil record, that is not an unexpected outcome.

I have opened a thread to explore this idea a little more in depth in the Science section, with tags of creationism, Darwinian proof.

[JJR]

The selfish gene is in all critters, but only the most advanced, humans and bonobos, really seem to be driven by altruism. Altruism, despite what creatists say about its negative survival value, was essential to the survival of the early hominins. The willingness to risk one's own life for the survival of the group, which includes others bearing some of your genes, increases the chances of your genetic line succeding, long term. Hominins in the bush were no match for most of the predators as individuals. As a group, they gained the advantage. Every man for himself is the way of the baboons.

Coulter is more like a baboon than a bonobo.

As for the picture with the rifle, doesn't it look like the butt of that rifle might be too high up on the shoulder? Like over the clavicle? Good thing it's a .22 and not an -06. Somewhere on the net there is a picture of Coulter with a semi-automatic handgun that is more clearly indicative that this person knows squat about proper firearms handling.

And I am begining to understand, looking at these pics of Coulter, why so many Republican men need Viagra.

Better than needing tegretol and risperidol, eh? Lithium anyone??

[Senex]

I think this is pretty funny. I was just about to ask Randfan how much his philosophy depends on Ayn Rand. It seems self-evident on some level when you are making a post and look at the person's name. The joke was on me.

Ann Coulter clearly is not the intellectual equal of Ayn -- but she is prettier...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Senex/ayn_rand.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Senex/1400054184_01__SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

[Darth Rotor]

Hmm, I think if it were a total nuclear exchange humans probably would die out.

Quoting Rush, are ya? All right, you get some respect from me. :) Gotta like "Trees".

Lurker
Once one has heard 2112, one cannot but like Rush.

As to nuclear war, I did not posit "total nuclear exchange" and I have a few ideas on how a nuclear war would play out. One is, a lot of places would not get hit. The Northern Hemisphere would bear the brunt of the damage, and of the depopulation and the poisoning/sterilization projected in most models. I think there have been some revisions to the nuclear winter model that bear looking into, (based on a conversation a few years ago with a meteorolgist friend.)

Depending on weather patterns, one could expect pockets of humanity to get off relatively unscathed in the Southern Hemisphere. The problem there would include the complete breakdown of industrial age services, which are all so interconnected. You'd not see a mad max scenario, I don't think, but more likely a return to hunter gatherer and small clan family groups staking out small areas to survive in, with odd bits of low tech available.

As I noted, the slow crawl back up the food chain would begin. Maybe a few thousand years after the war the humans would start using telephones again. Depends on how well the knowledge of chemistry and physics is preserved by the survivors.

DR

[leftysergeant]

Ann Coulter clearly is not the intellectual equal of Ayn -- but she is prettier...
]

Coulter is not the intellectual equivalent of Pee Wee Herman.

And Ayn Rand, whom I still do not consider top have been at all a genius, nor very insightful, was, at least, more clearly identifiable as female. That sort of thing is important to the aesthetic standards of a functioning heterosexual male.

[Lurker]

Once one has heard 2112, one cannot but like Rush. [quote]
Assuming an XY chromosome pair, that is true. It is a rare XX Rush fan.
[quote]
As to nuclear war, I did not posit "total nuclear exchange" and I have a few ideas on how a nuclear war would play out. One is, a lot of places would not get hit. The Northern Hemisphere would bear the brunt of the damage, and of the depopulation and the poisoning/sterilization projected in most models. I think there have been some revisions to the nuclear winter model that bear looking into, (based on a conversation a few years ago with a meteorolgist friend.)


All right, I was thinking a total exchange. Did your weather buddy say that northern and southern hemisphere weather patterns are distinct from each other or have some amount of mixing?

[Senex]

Coulter is not the intellectual equivalent of Pee Wee Herman.

And Ayn Rand, whom I still do not consider top have been at all a genius, nor very insightful, was, at least, more clearly identifiable as female. That sort of thing is important to the aesthetic standards of a functioning heterosexual male.

I understand completely. When the poop hits the fan and you are in charge of security I will be thinking of you as Ann and I procreate for the necessity of a new generation. We'll even call our first girl lefty.

[Darth Rotor]

[QUOTE=Darth Rotor;2893789]Once one has heard 2112, one cannot but like Rush. [quote]
All right, I was thinking a total exchange. Did your weather buddy say that northern and southern hemisphere weather patterns are distinct from each other or have some amount of mixing?
This goes back to one of those "let's have a coke and a smoke" discussions in a very hot place, but the gist of it was that I had just read "On The Beach."

Spike was of the opinion that the author's model wasn't too bad, but that the mixing in the upper layers of the atmosphere, and airmass flow / weather patterns were assumed as roughly homogenous. This he took issue with. He said that depending on how many Mount Pinatubo equivalents of crap got thrust up into the lower atmosphere, cross equatorial mixing would not be homogenous, and that On The Beach's model of "creeping nuclear poison" find its way into the atmosphere in the Southern Hemisphere overlooked too many details. He made the analogy of acne: not all of your face is a zit when you have acne.

We assumed, for our discussion, that no one south of the equator got hit by a nuke, and that the only targets would be in about twenty countries, all but a few of who were north of the tropics/23d parallel.

This was not a scientific study, but a bull session.

Take that for what it is worth. It would be worth my while, I suppose, to dig about the web and see who has modeled, with new climate models now available, various levels of nuclear, and thermonuclear exchanges to find threshold values for significant particulate suspensions and climate change resulting from them.

Seems most people are on about global warming anymore. :)

DR

[Darth Rotor]

I understand completely. When the poop hits the fan and you are in charge of security I will be thinking of you as Ann and I procreate for the necessity of a new generation. We'll even call our first girl lefty.
There's an odd visual: Ann and a car in full mating frenzy. (Ref you in the back of the pic in your avatar.)

FWIW, you might want to get that seed/egg deal cemented rather soon, as her biological clock be tickin' (preference for mating being assumed as you, rather than Dolf Lundgren for the moment). If you encounter Sweet Ann the Scalpel Tongued Wonder, about when she hits menopause -- sporting your wood and talking about nesting and bringing babies -- I'll bet on needing to send flowers to your funeral.

DR

[The Painter]

And Ayn Rand, whom I still do not consider top have been at all a genius, nor very insightful, was, at least, more clearly identifiable as female.

You're joking, right?? Please tell me you're joking.

[RandFan]

Based on the fossil record, that is not an unexpected outcome. I wouldn't think it is. However we know that it was not likely universal.

I have opened a thread to explore this idea a little more in depth in the Science section, with tags of creationism, Darwinian proof.I'll join you.

[Senex]

There's an odd visual: Ann and a car in full mating frenzy. (Ref you in the back of the pic in your avatar.)

If that car is a rockin -- don't come a knockin.

If you encounter Sweet Ann the Scalpel Tongued Wonder, about when she hits menopause -- sporting your wood and talking about nesting and bringing babies -- I'll bet on needing to send flowers to your funeral.

DR

Whose talkin about nesting:confused:

[JJR]

Leftysergeant . . . strange fellow. A narrow fellow in the grass, specifically. Yep.

[Senex]

Isn't Ann cute with a firearm? (as long as she isn't pointing it at me).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Senex/anngun.jpg

[Upchurch]

So, what is the point of all the pictures of Coulter again? Is it supposed to convince someone of something?

[Senex]

So, what is the point of all the pictures of Coulter again? Is it supposed to convince someone of something?

I'm just teasing the guy who thought I might be a girl. Clearly I'm having no effect. :D

[Upchurch]

I'm just teasing the guy who thought I might be a girl. Clearly I'm having no effect. :D
Oh, you don't understand the whole "internet anonymity" thing. Gotcha

[Senex]

Oh, you don't understand the whole "internet anonymity" thing. Gotcha

Hey, I've got nothing to hide (but that does sound kind of ominous :confused: )

[Ladewig]

So, what is the point of all the pictures of Coulter again?

Maybe Coulters are the new kittens. Lord knows this thread is quite overdue for kittens.

[JJR]

Isn't Ann cute with a firearm? (as long as she isn't pointing it at me).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Senex/anngun.jpg


Oh yeah. Way to pump out those rounds, baby. :o

EDIT: I think I'll need the Batman outfit for this one, lads. ;)

[Tricky]

EDIT: I think I'll need the Batman outfit for this one, lads. ;)
Fighting his most sinister nemesis.

Flatwoman.

[Upchurch]

Flatwoman.
More than that. The woman is skin and bones....

Skeletor?

[JJR]

Fighting his most sinister nemesis.

Flatwoman.

Hey, I'm down with the IBTC. Leave the natural breasts be.

No jiggle, no WIGGLE!! :mad:

[Senex]

Fighting his most sinister nemesis.

Flatwoman.



More than that. The woman is skin and bones....

Skeletor?

Hey, I'm down with the IBTC. Leave the natural breasts be.

No jiggle, no WIGGLE!!


Hey, hey, hey, didn't you guys read my post apocalyptic fantasy that Ann and I were repopulating the world in the back seat of my car! Show some respect!

Animals :mad:

[Tricky]

Hey, hey, hey, didn't you guys read my post apocalyptic fantasy that Ann and I were repopulating the world in the back seat of my car! Show some respect!

Animals :mad:
Damn, that must be one roomy car to fit the population of the world in there. Did you get a Hummer?

[The Painter]

More than that. The woman is skin and bones....

Skeletor?


Yeah, Ann is such a pig

Just a reminder…


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Lexapro/politicalwomen.jpg

[leftysergeant]

Isn't Ann cute with a firearm? (as long as she isn't pointing it at me).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Senex/anngun.jpg

No. She looks freaking stupid.

She's standing flat-footed. Anybody with half a clue what they are doing with a pistol puts one foot somewhat forward and leans forward a bit.

Look at the thumbs. The slide will take a divot out of the thumb of her firing hand, sooner or later. She looks like she is thinking of throttling a liberal. The firing hand is actually supposed to rest on top of the supporting hand.

POSER!

[Cleon]

Amazing what you can come up with if you pick enough cherries, isn't it, TP?

[JJR]

No. She looks freaking stupid.

She's standing flat-footed. Anybody with half a clue what they are doing with a pistol puts one foot somewhat forward and leans forward a bit.

Look at the thumbs. The slide will take a divot out of the thumb of her firing hand, sooner or later. She looks like she is thinking of throttling a liberal. The firing hand is actually supposed to rest on top of the supporting hand.

POSER!

I'd still hit it. :D

[RandFan]

I'd still hit it. :DMe too.

BTW,

This was funny TP. To late to pick any of those cherries tho.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Lexapro/politicalwomen.jpg

[UnrepentantSinner]

I'd still hit it. :D

Yeah, me too.

Oh, you mean have sex with it? Only as long as I could stuff a sock in her mouth and not have to listen to that shrill nasal voice.

[Darth Rotor]

Did you get a Hummer?

Just tell Ann it's a microphone, and the hummer is probably a done deal.

DR

[Garrette]

No. She looks freaking stupid.

She's standing flat-footed. Anybody with half a clue what they are doing with a pistol puts one foot somewhat forward and leans forward a bit.

Look at the thumbs. The slide will take a divot out of the thumb of her firing hand, sooner or later. She looks like she is thinking of throttling a liberal. The firing hand is actually supposed to rest on top of the supporting hand.

POSER!Agh. I wrote a rebuttal to this before deciding you're just funnin'.

I'll leave the post in tribute to the Republican v. Democrat hotchick poster:

Mmmmmmm......Janine Turner.......Mmmmmmm

[leftysergeant]

Agh. I wrote a rebuttal to this before deciding you're just funnin'.

I'll leave the post in tribute to the Republican v. Democrat hotchick poster:

Mmmmmmm......Janine Turner.......Mmmmmmm

Seriously, I do not want that bimbo on the same range with me. She's clueless about firearms.

[Darth Rotor]

Seriously, I do not want that bimbo on the same range with me. She's clueless about firearms.
If you teach her the meaning of the word respect, for firearms, maybe she'll be appropriately grateful, in the least platonic kind of way. Ya know, after holding that gun . . .

:duck:

DR

(Predicted response is "Not even with yours, Darth. :p )

[The Painter]

Seriously, I do not want that bimbo on the same range with me. She's clueless about firearms.


So you'd rather have all the neo-nazi that show up at the range. Good. You'd fit right in.

[Garrette]

(Predicted response is "Not even with yours, Darth. :p )You credit me with too much fairplay.

Definitely with yours, Darth.