Sally Morgan Star Psychic is Genuine [Archive]

AgeGap

16th August 2007, 12:21 PM

Sally Morgan Star Psychic is genuine because she says so.
"I want to be tested, I am the real deal." This is a quote from Psychic to Princess Diana for four years Sally Morgan. In fairness though she wanted to be tested by British minor celebs. British minor celebs who only know the word deep because it is used to describe pizza topping.
"I want to be tested, I am the real deal."
She is mocking. Get her.

JonWhite

16th August 2007, 04:34 PM

I watched some of her show for the first time last night.

She waddled her stuff for Bez, Eggsy & Maggot, Victoria Harvey and Phil Tufnell.

Tough, critical audience indeed! :rolleyes:

Zep

17th August 2007, 12:03 AM

Someone catch her in public with a Randi Challenge, please!

RemieV

17th August 2007, 02:53 AM

According to e-mails received to the Challenge account, Sally Morgan is claiming that she applied for the Challenge. So far, I have been unable to verify it as the individual who wrote in said that Morgan made the claim directly to her.

Contrary to what the e-mail claims, Sally Morgan has not applied for the Challenge.

~Remie

Normal Dude

17th August 2007, 03:53 AM

Can someone open the window? All of Morgan's hot air is really heating the room up.

Big Les

17th August 2007, 05:12 AM

She may have perfected the kindly Essex "wise woman" act, but she scares the bejeezus out of me. I will keep an eye out for any further challenge-related claims.

Temporal Renegade

18th August 2007, 06:37 AM

She (or her 'people') will probably claim that someone in the JREF is afraid of testing her, so they purposely 'lost' the e-mail.

In which case, maybe she should keep sending it, until a response is finally sent. After all, even if she 'doesn't need the money' (Standard quote for the people who seem to have these powers, but not apply), she could claim the cache of beating Randi and the JREF at their own game. That in itself, should be motivation enough, don't you think?

Big Les

18th August 2007, 06:51 AM

Temporal Renegade

18th August 2007, 06:53 AM

BadPsychics are doing sterling work (http://badpsychics.com/thefraudfiles/modules/news/article.php?storyid=490) on this, as ever. They've also got her to remove some spurious claims (http://badpsychics.com/thefraudfiles/modules/news/article.php?storyid=402) from her site in the past.

Also see this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44w1mJmuGfM) Youtube video.

Your avatar makes me wish zombies weren't the only things we could smash about the head... :D

JonWhite

18th August 2007, 09:19 AM

Apologies for being off topic but I'm curious:

Do we have any UK based group offering the equivalent of the Randi challenge?

(but for less money of course)

Math Maniac

18th August 2007, 10:03 AM

Celebrities are known world-wide for their scientific intellect and skeptical nature! Ha!

Big Les

18th August 2007, 01:17 PM

Your avatar makes me wish zombies weren't the only things we could smash about the head... :D

Yeah. Who died and made her queen of the psychics, anyway? ;)

Capsid

18th August 2007, 01:38 PM

This must have been said, but why didn't she tell Princess Diana to keep away from Paris?

Gord_in_Toronto

18th August 2007, 03:50 PM

Shortly after the Peoples' Princess neglected to put on her seat belt and was killed in a minor road accident I did an extensive Internet search on what had been predicted for the Royals that day. Best I found was someone who had predicted a "bad hair day" for Charles. I sent an e-mail to the British Association of Pyschics (or some such) asking why. They never replied. Sniff.

Undoubtedly there are a lot more predictions now. :rolleyes:

RemieV

18th August 2007, 08:41 PM

Apologies for being off topic but I'm curious:

Do we have any UK based group offering the equivalent of the Randi challenge?

(but for less money of course)

There is a very specific Challenge for psychics through the Skeptic Organisation (http://www.aske.org.uk/challenge/), but preliminary tests for the JREF Challenge can potentially be performed by associates in the UK as well.

Temporal Renegade

19th August 2007, 07:30 AM

Temporal Renegade

19th August 2007, 07:31 AM

Yeah. Who died and made her queen of the psychics, anyway? ;)

:D

JonWhite

19th August 2007, 08:06 AM

There is a very specific Challenge for psychics through the Skeptic Organisation (http://www.aske.org.uk/challenge/), but preliminary tests for the JREF Challenge can potentially be performed by associates in the UK as well.

Thanks for that.

Having seen the Morgan show and her repeatedly stating that she wants to be tested, it struck me that it's par for the course for these types to make such statements yet never back them up.

I wonder if rather than waiting for them to come forward (which they won't), confronting them publicly with their own statements might force an attempt by taking a well thought through but easy to administer on the spot challenge to them. Maybe asking the 10 questions on the Skeptic Organisation test. All done on camera of course, if possible in conjunction with an established TV production company. At the least some good Bad Psychic/You Tube debunking moments could be had as they wriggle.

Just a thought...

RemieV

19th August 2007, 04:52 PM

Thanks for that.

Having seen the Morgan show and her repeatedly stating that she wants to be tested, it struck me that it's par for the course for these types to make such statements yet never back them up.

I wonder if rather than waiting for them to come forward (which they won't), confronting them publicly with their own statements might force an attempt by taking a well thought through but easy to administer on the spot challenge to them. Maybe asking the 10 questions on the Skeptic Organisation test. All done on camera of course, if possible in conjunction with an established TV production company. At the least some good Bad Psychic/You Tube debunking moments could be had as they wriggle.

Just a thought...

They would simply say that there was negative energy, or that they felt no rapport with the person asking the questions, or that their powers 'don't work that way'.

vidiviciveni

20th August 2007, 03:28 AM

Thanks for that.

Having seen the Morgan show and her repeatedly stating that she wants to be tested, it struck me that it's par for the course for these types to make such statements yet never back them up.

I wonder if rather than waiting for them to come forward (which they won't), confronting them publicly with their own statements might force an attempt by taking a well thought through but easy to administer on the spot challenge to them. Maybe asking the 10 questions on the Skeptic Organisation test. All done on camera of course, if possible in conjunction with an established TV production company. At the least some good Bad Psychic/You Tube debunking moments could be had as they wriggle.

Just a thought...

She can say that she meant that she wanted to be tested 'on camera' which is what has happened. The camera does lie however.

Unfortunately she has not stated (and I doubt ever will state) that she wants to be tested by JREF or in any controlled experiment, for the very fact that she is fake! After all she's making loads of money off it now, so why would she put a stop to her gravy train?

Cuddles

20th August 2007, 08:00 AM

Apologies for being off topic but I'm curious:

Do we have any UK based group offering the equivalent of the Randi challenge?

(but for less money of course)

UK Skeptics (http://www.ukskeptics.com/) doesn't have a specific challenge or a prize, but are perfectly willing to conduct tests.

GzuzKryzt

20th August 2007, 08:33 AM

UK Skeptics (http://www.ukskeptics.com/) doesn't have a specific challenge or a prize, but are perfectly willing to conduct tests.

I'm fairly sure that a test protocol approved by Randi would count as a JREF Challenge Preliminary Test - given an accepted JREF Challenge Application of course. Should anyone want a definitive answer on this, e-mail challenge@randi.org

It seems the Angela Patel test was run along these lines. (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=1058194#post1058194)

Nucular

2nd September 2007, 01:02 PM

Best I found was someone who had predicted a "bad hair day" for Charles.

Perhaps they meant "bad heir day".

Sorry.

Maybe Randi could be persuaded to extend one of his public invitations to her to actually apply for the challenge, like he does sometimes.

She is almost certainly no different to any of the usual suspects, but I do know a few people who've been rather taken with her show. As Big Les suggested, it's probably more to do with her persona than her actual cold/hot reading skills, eliciting those incredulous reactions from D-list celebs and bereaved members of the public, which in turn impress a certain portion of the viewing public. Get together a bunch of people who are probably in need of a big hug, and a kindly woman who seems like she's probably quite good at giving them, and you're really not going to go far wrong in TV land.

Mojo

2nd September 2007, 01:36 PM

BadPsychics are doing sterling work (http://badpsychics.com/thefraudfiles/modules/news/article.php?storyid=490) on this, as ever. They've also got her to remove some spurious claims (http://badpsychics.com/thefraudfiles/modules/news/article.php?storyid=402) from her site in the past.

Oh, good grief! It's the person discussed in this thread (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=61708) (I'd forgotten the name). And she has a TV show now?

Her website seems to have disappeared, but it (including the removed "cases") can still be seen on the wayback machine.

Enlighten

3rd September 2007, 10:38 AM

Mojo

3rd September 2007, 10:41 AM

Its not hard to find Randi's website to send in an application.

It is if you try to find it using psychic powers.

Mojo

3rd September 2007, 10:43 AM

"I'm getting an impression that it's somewhere near water. Does the url start with a W?"

JollyRoger

3rd September 2007, 10:51 AM

If she is the real deal maybe she would be good enough to grace us with her presence, If she can prove to the septics on THIS site she is the real deal, the challenge should be easy

:) :D :boxedin:

GzuzKryzt

3rd September 2007, 12:56 PM

If she is the real deal maybe she would be good enough to grace us with her presence, If she can prove to the septics on THIS site she is the real deal, the challenge should be easy

:) :D :boxedin:

She does not have to prove anything to anyone on this forum.

A simple demonstration in a controlled test after having her application accepted would suffice. Then we would see the first ever Formal/Final Test. Experience suggests she will not apply.

Big Les

3rd September 2007, 02:33 PM

That and simple economics. Why would you flop your (in her case) proverbial wedding tackle into the lion's mouth and put a massive dent in a guaranteed income stream?

JollyRoger

3rd September 2007, 03:42 PM

I was worth a try

FarSideOfTheMoon

6th September 2007, 05:55 AM

Oh, good grief! It's the person discussed in this thread (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=61708) (I'd forgotten the name). And she has a TV show now?

Her website seems to have disappeared, but it (including the removed "cases") can still be seen on the wayback machine.

She does have a new website www.starpsychic.co.uk.

It's as bad as you would expect.

Nucular

6th September 2007, 06:48 AM

GzuzKryzt

6th September 2007, 07:15 AM

Doesn't look as if there's really anything in it yet (though the 'contact' page is tempting).

Doing reading for celebrities must be the easiest thing in the world. Quick whizz on wikipedia before you leave and you're away!

Plus, it's win-win for both sides without the necessity of the reading to reveal anything: Media exposure.

Am I getting old or are those self-proclaimed woosters too lame to even poke fun at, when all they deliver is dead air?

(I've said it before: When you're displaying idiotic/irrational behaviour and people don't even bother to mock you, you're in big trouble.)

Big Les

6th September 2007, 04:08 PM

I suppose you could see a "star psychic" as robbing from the rich and therefore somehow preferable to the usual sort. But without the whole "giving to the poor" bit, it loses its romantic appeal...

Cueshark

6th September 2007, 04:41 PM

This must have been said, but why didn't she tell Princess Diana to keep away from Paris?

I have to get this off my chest.

The world has an incredible number of people who claim to have psychic ability. In my experience an even greater number have a strong belief that it is for real and usually have a handy anecdote to use if challenged.

In my experience psychics usually say something like....

* I have a 70-99% success rate on my predictions

or

* I can never be right all the time / I'm not god (c/o SB)

Prepare for a potential logical fallacy when I say that due to all these 70-99% success rates on predictions you would expect one...just one!!!! Maybe even a dozen or so to predict Diana's death.

All the people who say they sensed her energy and aura when she was alive but no one at all predicted her death.

Am I going mad when I feel this is a hugely convincing argument against the existence of psychic ability?

Zep

6th September 2007, 07:09 PM

Nope. Welcome to the creepy world of "psychic BS for money".

JollyRoger

3rd October 2007, 11:27 AM

Maybe if we all concentrate on her picture and think of inviting her in for the challenge, she will hear us and take the chalange. Or atleast tell us why she will not

http://www.starpsychic.co.uk/images/sally_150_2.jpg

Darth Rotor

5th October 2007, 12:15 PM

Maybe if we all concentrate on her picture and think of inviting her in for the challenge, she will hear us and take the chalange.

http://www.starpsychic.co.uk/images/sally_150_2.jpg
I prefer to treat my eyes more respectfully, thank you all the same. :cool: Not concentrating on that pic, no sir.

DR

Magic 9-Ball

5th October 2007, 12:33 PM

Does she have a set of draperies around her neck? Does that help?

And that's an awfully small crystal ball. I doubt she can see as far into the future as she can with a standard size one. And why does she need glasses to see into the future?

All in all, I would tend to think she's not telling the truth. ;)

Temporal Renegade

6th October 2007, 07:38 AM

chillzero

6th October 2007, 09:03 AM

I have moved this thread as it does not relate directly to the Million Dollar Challenge. Sally has not applied, and the discussion is about her, so is more appropriate here.

Skepticus

5th January 2008, 05:15 AM

And why does she need glasses to see into the future?

Perhaps her eyesight will be much worse in the future.

Big Les

8th January 2008, 10:25 AM

I was fortunate (?) enough to catch the loudmouthed bint on Radio 2 (don't ask) this afternoon. You should be able to hear for yourself at this link;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/networks/radio2/aod.shtml?radio2/r2_wright_mon

She was on at about 4:45pm, so almost right at the end of that stream (I can't check it at present).

Deeply unimpressive, she tells Steve Wright (who thinks cold reading amounts to Sherlock Holmes style deducement) that he likes Italian food and...women. Well bugger me! Then she gets a hit with "you need to get a cholesterol check" to which he responds "I do", giving her enough info to take a stab with "you have a genetic predisposition to high cholesterol", which he says is correct.

The clearly more sceptical assistant/producer guy is harder work, but she manages to get that he's "pedantic" and needs things to be just right, and that it will be his downfall. Another "good chance guess" or better yet, warm read having ooh, I don't know, listened to the show before??? She says he's like his grandfather, then seems to say that she's in touch with his grandfather and that there's an RAF connection, which is turned into a hit of "an interest in aviation". The guy tests her by asking which grandfather and she's put on the spot. She goes for his paternal grandfather, and the guy comes back with "who I never knew". She did some verbal backflipping to obfuscate this obvious miss - what's the possible connection vis aviation or the RAF if he never knew that grandfather? I think we can assume that that relative wasn't in the RAF, since he doesn't confirm that and she doesn't force the issue.

Yet again, when she has to do something live or otherwise out of her control, she's rubbish. She's one of the best when edited and produced though, I'll give her that.

AgeGap

9th January 2008, 03:23 AM

She has an ITV2 show and I think free tickets are available to watch the recording in London.
The crossed over stars are A-list. Her still living stars are not quite as famous. :D

DeVega

9th January 2008, 04:00 AM

That picture of her in the big checked coat and scarf reminded me of someone... I couldn't place it at first, but then realised... Great Uncle Bulgaria!

Mind you as someone said previously, although she has affected the appearance of a wise and friendly older lady (or kindly old womble), I imagine she might have a Sylvia Brown-like alter-ego. {shudder}

FarSideOfTheMoon

9th January 2008, 06:22 AM

I was fortunate (?) enough to catch the loudmouthed bint on Radio 2 (don't ask) this afternoon. You should be able to hear for yourself at this link;

Why were you listening to R2? :D

Big Les

9th January 2008, 08:40 AM

Sigh. It was on in the taxi I was stuck in. Having heard she was due on later and knowing I was going to be spending the afternoon in what amounts to an abandoned warehouse, I decided to try and catch the interview. Big mistake. I was then stuck listening (in one ear whilst doing some work) to over an hour of Steve Wright and his godawful 80s pap. Little did I know he was saving it til last.

AgeGap

9th January 2008, 04:17 PM

Why were you listening to R2? :D

Only my opinion but radio 2 has some good presenters and guest presenters. I enjoy Russell Brands show. His interview with David Icke was the audio equivalent of car crash TV. Still catchable on their website. Music can be a bit poor though.

Lensman

9th January 2008, 04:48 PM

Nothing wrong with radio 2 - I should know, I'm a TOG. ;) :D

fingersmith

9th January 2008, 05:26 PM

just watching this now, when she cottoned on that this woman had two sisters she put forward the name:

"Jo(e)"[gender neutral name] *woman shakes her head* "And it's a man!!" says Sally realising her miss *blank stare from woman* "so he could have been known as Jack!" *gasps all round*

fingersmith

9th January 2008, 07:01 PM

Just a few more thoughts on this while it's still fairly fresh in my mind, I didn't watch the whole show intently. It's the first time I've heard of this woman.

If she is a fraud(!), she's not afraid of exploiting human suffering for entertainment.
She did a reading for a viewer who sent in a video, wasn't really watching properly but the person she picked out for the reading was the one who said her brother had died fairly recently, (looked like late teens early twenties).

The bit that caught my attention was a section were she was to do some readings blindfold, and holding peoples hands! Does this mean we are to think she normally uses her eyes to contact the spirit world etc?
Anyway the aim of the section was to guess the jobs of 5 people. The people were wearing their uniform/costume so it wouldn't take a genius to figure out myriad ways she could have known. The people were allowed to speak which would have allowed for cold-reading too, however this wasn't cold reading as far as I could tell as the questions were all basically spot on straight away, though she did have a 'near miss' midway, presumably to make it more convincing.
The interesting part was the last person, where she veered away from the career aspect and started talking about some personal trauma in the womans life involving men. This all led up to the revelation that the woman was raped on film. Now when the subject was broached the woman did not seem surprised or shocked, she was calm and collected and seemed like this was something she had come to terms with. Sally, however, turned on the water works, couldn't go on, needed to stop and hug the lady etc. until the woman eventually showed a hint of a tear.

Now the cynic in me thinks it's a stroke of luck(in terms of making dramatic tv) that the tragic story was the last one in line, and she didn't start with that one then end with "and you're a nurse" at the end of the line.

biomorph

10th January 2008, 03:06 AM

I watched her show last night too, I spotted some (I think) some fairly big misses without too much trouble, lots of nonspecific nonsense, and quite a bit of supportive editing by the producer.

I had a friend with me while it was on, they didn't spot the errors, but once I pointed out the methodology they chipped in too finding some errors for themselves.

Can't wait for next week!!!

petra10

10th January 2008, 05:28 PM

That lady is rubbish. Her tv (edited) shows are full of so called celebs getting excited about nothing. She seems to say a lot about their personalities and random guesses about their familes. She never actually gives them any preditions of the future except to say they will do really well.

She will never agree to do the million dollar challenge.

AgeGap

28th January 2008, 05:08 AM

Proof of her powers. Finally she is getting the respect she deserves.
G-HbhY7qBJE

Love and light.

AgeGap.

Cold one

28th January 2008, 05:53 AM

Well she is a waffler thats for sure

"I want to be tested, I am the real deal."
From her web site FAQ
How do you deal with cynics and sceptics?
Well, because this exposure has come at this point in my life I think I can handle it better. But I’m fed up with qualifying what I do, so I want the cynics and the sceptics to prove to me that there is no afterlife, I want them to prove to me that I’m mad. As far as I’m concerned I’ve been doing this so long now, and such extraordinary things have happened to me, that I know it’s real. I’m willing to look at this scientifically with these people, but they don’t want that. They just want to turn around and say that it’s rubbish. But if they don’t want me to do this then they’ve got to prove to me that what I’m doing doesn’t exist

Now is it just me or do all psycics not realize that you can't prove a negative or is this just part of the scam, they know this and use it because it makes them look the victim?

Reno

28th January 2008, 05:59 AM

And still this rotund little liar earns a small fortune for appearing in this show. Sometimes I just want to give up and start performing cold-reading tricks to gullible women.

Mojo

28th January 2008, 06:29 AM

She has an ITV2 show and I think free tickets are available to watch the recording in London.
The crossed over stars are A-list. Her still living stars are not quite as famous. :D

Dying is often a good career move for celebs.

AgeGap

28th January 2008, 06:37 AM

Good luck Reno on your new career. Please PM me when you get your own TV show. Can I have some free audience tickets? If you really study at the cold reading you will do a better job than Scally Morgan.

And Hi Cold one.
"I want to be tested, I am the real deal."
"How do we do that?"
"Prove to me that there is no afterlife!"
"WTF? That is not you being tested!

AgeGap

28th January 2008, 06:41 AM

Dying is often a good career move for celebs.
I doubt that Emma B will achieve cult status after her death. Dying is only a good career move if you have celeb status first. Darren on the other hand....

Jimcalagon

28th January 2008, 07:46 AM

Hats off to Harry Hill - even my kids were laughing at his comments on the fat fraud and the '"Call me psychic" - No, you call yourself psychic!'

Does anybody really believe this crap?

St.Michael

28th January 2008, 09:35 AM

I’m willing to look at this scientifically with these people, but they don’t want that. They just want to turn around and say that it’s rubbish.

I wonder who these people are who don't want to look at her alleged abilities scientifically?

Could she name names? ;)

DeVega

28th January 2008, 10:14 AM

LOL! I must say, I find myself liking Harry Hill more these days - he seems to have a skeptical viewpoint and - gasp - a sense of humour! ;-)

I caught some of SM's show last week and I think she's the first psychic I've seen who squeals with delight and praises herself when she gets a 'hit.'
"Reeaaallly! Wow - that's amazing..."

She crys a lot too when she does readings - probably to convince us all how lovable she really is.

Bizzaro woman.